I sat down with Taylor Lorenz to discuss her new book, Extremely Online — the untold story of fame, influence, and power on the internet. Aside from covering some of the most culturally relevant online moments of the past decade, she is the first person to write extensively about the history of social media from the user/creator perspective. Check out all of the other topics we discussed below!

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Chapters

0:00 - Intro

0:35 - Taylor and I’s history

3:55 - Her new book, Extremely Online

6:25 - The early social media landscape

8:31 - Why people didn’t take “online culture” seriously 

10:42 - The ethics of reporting on kids and teens

11:59 - Social media’s turning point

13:20 - Living life online 24/7 

17:02 - Is the physical world the “real world”?

19:40 - Mom bloggers as the first influencers

22:25 - Living in public

24:25 - Oversharing online 

26:32 - What needs to change about social media

27:42 - Forbes’ Top Creators list

28:49 - Tinx’s following vs income 

30:38 - Name, image, likeness (NIL)

35:35 - Setting boundaries with your audience

37:13 - CarynAI 

39:38 - Why we need more ephemerality online

42:53 - Creators getting into politics 

45:21 - Elon Musk

51:00 - Independent (New) media vs Legacy media

53:05 - Tucker Carlson

54:28 - Will independent media’s power continue?

56:14 - Taylor’s most impactful reporting

56:55 - The future of parenting  

59:54 - Her advice for up-and-coming journalists

1:01:12 - Outro

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Purchase the book: https://amzn.to/40aYdvD

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You can find Taylor on

Twitter: https://twitter.com/TaylorLorenz

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@taylorlorenz

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/taylorlorenz/

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Intro animation by Black Book Studio: https://www.blackbook.studio/

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You can also find me on

Twitter: https://twitter.com/julesterpak

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@julesterpak

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/julesterpak

Substack: https://www.growingdigital.net/

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Join for dialogue and opportunities: https://discord.gg/8ueURBRvc7

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Watch on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6LqoqQA5cborb7pJsZTftw

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My production gear: https://amzn.to/3OFWWJv

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Business inquiries: [email protected]

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Why show definitions for things that may be obvious to viewers — for example: TikTok?

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(1) For my cute grandparents. But (2) For this video to be as useful as possible, for as long as possible. Platforms come and go, so future generations aren't going to be as acquainted with these things as we are today. "Simple" definitions will end up being useful, historical context come that time.

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FEATURED MEDIA

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ABC Taylor Lorenz interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zkIUR4Z6FI

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MSNBC Taylor Lorenz interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa3zVDRZ8r4

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Semafor Taylor Lorenz interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7gLg0ity3Y

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The Young Turks defend Taylor Lorenz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTiSE8Myj50

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Megyn Kelly and Glenn Greenwald: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbSuLbLBbeU

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Tucker Carlson responds to the New York Times: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pza9fRxW5WM

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Jake Paul mentioned at the Republican debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-uVLRRIgh0

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Kai Cenat causes mayhem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXpNEQOGjbU