The conversation revolves around the topic of face-offs in lacrosse and the various rule changes that have been implemented over the years. The guests discuss the influence of college coaches on rule changes and the importance of understanding the face-off position. They also touch on the role of referees and the need for consistency and excellence in the game. The conversation ends with a debate about the balance between entertainment and maintaining the integrity of the sport. The conversation focuses on the importance of face-offs in lacrosse and the role of the face-off specialist. The participants discuss the competitiveness and entertainment value of close games, the need for more practice time for players, and the impact of coaching changes in college lacrosse. They also talk about the evolution of face-off techniques and the training of face-off specialists. The conversation touches on stick technology and the role of the NCAA rules committee in shaping the game. In this final part of the conversation, the hosts discuss the risks and injuries faced by face-off players in lacrosse. They highlight the lack of protection and the increasing size and speed of players, leading to more injuries. They also discuss the evolution of lacrosse equipment, with a focus on the advancements in gloves, shoulder pads, and arm pads. The conversation then shifts to reminiscing about the toughest opponents they faced during their playing days, including Billy Durgill, Andy Krauss, and Mark Goers. The hosts also share stories and shout-outs, including a tribute to Walter Hine, a beloved figure in the lacrosse community.