Shawna Edwards didn't want to share her music publicly. But her dad wouldn't let it go. Now millions of people enjoy her faith-based songs.

"Have You Done Anything With That Song?"

Shawna Edwards never intended to share her music with the general public, but her dad wouldn't stop pushing her to do so. After hearing "Do You Have Room?", a song Shawna had written for a family Christmas gathering, he told her to "do something with that song." Eventually, she printed out a nice set of sheet music to appease him. That wasn't enough. He wanted her to do more. Even after he passed away, she could hear his voice saying, "Have you done anything with that song?"

So she got brave.

She submitted the piece to a songwriting competition for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. And won! But when a public performance of the song went awry, Shawna came home defeated, vowing never to be so vulnerable again.

However, the prompting to "do more with the song" wouldn't go away.

This time, with her husband's encouragement, she created a music video for "Do You Have Room?" and published it on YouTube. People loved it. Praise for the video and requests for the sheet music came pouring in, but criticism rained down as well when viewers told Shawna that she couldn't use copyrighted imagery without permission. Embarrassed by her naivete, she removed the music video from YouTube, thus angering people who wanted to show it at their upcoming Christmas events. Again, Shawna felt defeated.

She recalls, "This was not a good start. I made a ton of mistakes like that, but what kept me going was the fact that people liked that song. I had all kinds of people tell me how the song had inspired them to make more room for Jesus that day."

Listen to this interview to hear how Shawna overcame the early pitfalls in her songwriting career, the advice she has for other creators, and how her faith increased as she kept doing the things that made her feel vulnerable--despite those early defeats.

Mentioned in this Interview

• Shawn Edwards YouTube Channel
• Shawna Edward's Website
• Do You Have Room? / Sheet Music
• The Miracle (Recomposed)
• Risen
• Restored 

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Getting Thrown a Curve Ball

For 20 years, Susan Koelliker's life went according to plan. She married her high school sweetheart, had a house full of active kids, and worked alongside her husband in their fast-paced dental practice. They made a great team until life threw the family a curve ball--a cancer diagnosis that changed everything.

Shortly after his 40th birthday, David Koelliker discovered he had a brain tumor and a significantly shortened lifespan. Determined to go down swinging, the family decided to make the most of whatever time they had left together. Susan recalls, "When you face death, you learn to really live. That is what happened to our family. All of a sudden, someday was right now. You can't say, 'Oh, someday, we're going to do this,' or 'One day, we want to do this.' All of a sudden, it's like, 'if this is what we want to do, we're doing it now.'"

And so they did. The Koelliker family took trips, wrote a book, started businesses, and more. While healthy, David participated in his children's activities, coached their teams, led scout campouts, attended dance recitals, and savored many family moments. Among the ideas that couldn't wait for "someday" was the invention of a soft-core leather baseball that helps kids learn how to love the game of baseball without the fear of getting hit or hurt.

Listen to this interview to learn how Kore Baseball Products started, how the family rallied together to build the business, and what Susan has planned for the company. Though not how she expected her life to unfold, this entrepreneurial woman has a playbook full of ideas for the future. 

Mentioned in this Interview

• KORE Baseball Products
• Brigham Young University Executive MBA program
• Sugar House Community Council
• Everyone Needs a Brain Tumor 
• Option B: Facing Adversity, Building Resilience, and Finding Joy

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Before becoming a journalist, Stacey Carruth started a lengthy investigation into her own career--only she didn't see it that way at the time. She only saw failure.

After serving a mission as a young adult, Stacey returned to college at Brigham Young University. Though she had started her post-secondary education as a science major ("to prove she was smart"), her thoughts changed while on her mission. She recalls, "I discovered a whole new area of life that sparked me and sparked my interest. I loved learning languages. I loved talking to people. I loved learning about the culture and what causes people to make the decisions they do or live the way they do."

This change of heart led Stacey to change her major to Latin American studies. A campus event called "The Hunger Banquet" prompted her to lean further into helping people in developing countries.

But practicality won out. Nervous about being in college for so long and needing to make money, Stacey switched her major back to clinical laboratory science so she could graduate as soon as possible.

After graduation, she worked in a lab for a year before quitting to be home with her kids. Of the job, she said, "It served its purpose. It helped us get my husband through college. It paid the bills, but I only did it for a year because it was just so boring." 

Longing for a Career

As a new mom, Stacey loved being with her children but discovered she didn't love the homemaker lifestyle all that much. And though she felt guilty for wanting to work outside the home, she still longed for a career. But at the time, Stacey couldn't find a job that inspired her enough to justify disrupting the family arrangement or paying for childcare. So she spent the next several years experimenting--enrolling in various degree programs, starting projects, writing a blog, researching, and more--all to find purpose beyond life as a stay-at-home mom. 

To be clear, Stacey valued the time spent with her kids. But with every passing year, she felt a little more lost in her faith and out of touch with the job market.

She remembers lamenting to a friend, "I'm so proud of how I've spent the last 12 years. I have no regrets. I built an amazing marriage brick by brick with blood, sweat, and tears. I have amazing children, and I worked so hard to get rid of cultural and old habits from my upbringing, build a good relationship with them, and raise good children. I've tried to do wonderful things with my faith journey and in my faith community. I'm so proud of what I've done, but none of that shows up on a resume. That's a blank resume."

Ironically, that gap on her resume plus the unseen career attempts would one day be the perfect "lack of experience" necessary for Stacey to become a sought-after journalist with a much-needed fresh perspective. And though she didn't know it then, her career launch could not have come at a better time.

It's a good story. Have a listen.

Mentioned in this Interview

• Mother Musings

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Having been a NASA Engineer at Kennedy Space Center for 30 years, Sister Michelle Amos is passionate about her career. But it's not the most important thing in her life. Instead, she prioritizes God and Family (in that order) above her work.

Sister Michelle Amos and a colleague at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory

Here are some of the ways she has shown allegiance to those priorities over the years:

• Engaging in Service. Despite working full-time, Sister Amos never turned down a church calling or an opportunity to serve in the community. She served as the Relief Society President, Young Women President, Stake Young Women President, Cubmaster, and more at church. She did plenty of outreach at schools for NASA and led community events in Orlando as well.
• Carefully Choosing Projects. When colleagues pushed for bigger and better opportunities at work, Sister Amos stood down, determined to be available to her children as much as possible. She went to the office early so she could leave in time to pick the kids up from school and rarely worked on projects that required overtime.
• Waiting to Further Her Education. Though she wanted to obtain a master's degree, Sister Amos delayed post-graduate studies until the kids were older and a little more self-sufficient. She recalls, "I was a mother, I had small children, so I had to wait until my children were in high school or out of the home to take on management training or get my master's degree. I remember sitting at the table with my kids; we were all doing homework."
• Partnering with Her Husband. President John Amos encouraged Sister Amos to apply for the job at NASA. He supported her desire to work after the kids came along as well. She says, "President Amos has always been supportive of my career as an engineer. ... President worked locally in the city, so he could be there if there were emergencies at school. We knew our positions. We were able to plan if there were school activities or school events."

In addition to those daily choices, this successful engineer also had to make big decisions too.

When the kids went off to college, Sister Amos finally got the chance to further her career and take on more significant opportunities. In November of 2018, she got selected to join a flagship project as a Systems Engineer for the Mars 2020 Rover--a role she relished and temporarily moved to California to fulfill. Then just as the team prepared for the launch, Sister Amos and her husband got called to serve as mission leaders for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Once again, Sister Amos sublimated her career aspirations to put God first in her life.

In this interview, you'll learn how she made the decision, what it cost her, and the unexpected blessings her obedience brought. Plus, as amazing as her career at NASA was, you'll hear why Sister Amos believes it was simply preparation for the higher calling she now holds.

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Jamilla King, founder of @AnothaDIYProject, shares how she transformed her life and now she transforms spaces for a living.

BEHIND THE SCENES WITH JAMILLA KING

Having built a social media presence of 60+K followers in just over a year, Jamilla King of @AnothaDIYProject may seem like an overnight success. And in some ways, she is. A couple of months ago, only 2K people followed her Instagram account. But focusing on the audience alone is like admiring the paint on the wall without acknowledging the effort required to prep the surface or build the intricate panel work it covers. The numbers aren't the whole story.

So what is the story? How did Jamilla go from a single bathroom design in March of 2021 to a schedule full of clients and thousands of followers a year later? You'll have to listen to the full episode to find out, but here are a few of the highlights:

1. She quit her job. No kidding. With a newly issued real estate license and $50 in her bank account, Jamilla leaned into a heartfelt prayer. Then she typed up a resignation letter and walked.
2. She refused to go back. It took six months before Jamilla closed her first real estate deal. That's some 180 days without a paycheck. To survive, she hustled and borrowed and even humbled herself to ask for help. When people questioned her decision to quit her job before she had a stable client base, she replied, "I didn't come this far to just go back." And she never did.
3. She posted her progress. Growing up, Jamilla loved interior design. But without many African American women in the business or an understanding of how the industry works, she pursued other career options. After leaving her job to become a realtor, she redesigned her bathroom. She created an Instagram account to post progress pictures, and people noticed.
4. She pivoted. After seeing Jamilla's work on Instagram, a few friends asked her to do projects in their homes. Another friend suggested she charge and start doing work for other people. With some resistance, Jamilla finally said, "Okay, fine."
5. She praised God. With a modest social media following and a small roster of paying clients, Jamilla posted a video expressing gratitude for the life she now leads. It was a simple post showing her work, thanking God for the gifts she's been given, and appreciation for the ability to do what she loves for a living. The post went viral. Now, @AnotherDIYProject has several thousand followers, and Jamilla has more work than she can handle.

Those are the highlights. 

Listen to the full podcast to hear the behind-the-scenes moments that made this business happen. Of course, followers are fabulous, and going viral is mind-blowing. But success is never actually overnight. The heart of this story is Jamilla's decision to align with God and have the courage to follow His guidance day by day when things didn't look so Instagram-perfect.

It's a good story. Have a listen.

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Learn the moves that took Debbie Thompson (@TomDesignShop) from selling jewelry in art markets to launching a successful online business that supports her family and helps people preserve memories.

The Most Important Lesson Learned

When I book a guest on the Faithful Career Moves podcast, I have specific questions in mind. In this case, I wanted to know how Debbie Thompson became one of Etsy's top jewelry sellers. I wanted to know how she built the business, how long it took to make a profit, and how her life changed. (Of course, I also wanted to know how she saw the Lord's hands in the process.)

So, that's how the interview started.

But when we finished talking, the thoughts that lingered in my mind had nothing to do with the nuts and bolts of the business. Instead, I reflected more on the emotional side of this journey. The success of Tom Design Shop belies the mental and emotional challenges Debbie overcame to create it.

Like the engraving needle touching metal for the first time, this interview only scratches the surface of the past 16 years. Still, I promise it's long enough to leave a mark. Here are just a few of the lessons that have stayed with me:

• Be Flexible. Debbie didn't set out to be a jewelry designer. She planned to sell photography at an art market and only made earrings as a backup plan. When customers bought the earrings instead of the prints, Debbie bought more beads and made more baubles. That is the first of many times this entrepreneur adjusted her business to meet demand and circumstances.
• Be Partners. When Tom Design Shop became profitable, Debbie's husband quit his job, set aside his career aspirations, and went to work for her. (He started out making bangles.) When they needed to move the business from their home to a commercial space, the Thompsons created alternating schedules so they could both care for the company and their kids.
• Be Creative. After having a baby, Debbie found herself lost in new motherhood, living in a new area, away from her support system, and suffering from undiagnosed postpartum depression. Making jewelry and starting an online business helped her rebound. The same thing happened when she delivered her second baby, only worse. Creating new designs somehow pulled her through again.
• Be Thankful. In Debbie's words, "There are things that happen just at the right time that shouldn't have happened. I think, 'Oh, my gosh, that was an answer to my prayer.' I'm constantly asking, asking, asking. I think it's also so important to thank, thank, thank, because just like your kids constantly asking for something, it gets hard. It gets draining on you. After I recognize and see the hand of God, I'm so thankful, and I thank Him."

Though Debbie struggled with each transition in her life, the inspiration to keep making and selling jewelry played a significant role in her healing. That blessing alone would have been worth building the business. But as the success of Tom Design shows, God's plans are always bigger and better than we can imagine for ourselves. Since we c

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When her husband lost his job, this stay-at-home mother of four decided SHE could go back to work--only to discover that the tech industry had moved well-beyond her skillset.

When Cathleen Poulsen’s husband got laid off from work, she lovingly waited for him to find another job. As time without a paycheck wore on, however, her patience wore out. In the midst of increased frustration and rising anxiety, she got an unexpected answer to her earnest prayer for help: YOU have skills.

Taking the hint, she dusted off her computer science degree from 1995 and watched a few online videos to re-engage with the technology she had mastered in her pre-mom days. Then figuring she had "nothing to lose," Cathleen applied for a software development position at Family Search, a nonprofit genealogical organization run by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The hiring process seemed promising until she got to the interview.

It didn't go so well.

Cathleen recalls, "It was a technical interview. It was me and eight engineers who were sitting there just throwing all these technical questions at me."

After the meeting, the hiring manager kindly took Cathleen aside and said that her skills were not where they needed to be to fill the software development position. Then, to her surprise, he offered her an internship instead. 

Thrilled with the outcome and grateful for an opportunity to update her expertise, Cathleen still had to prove herself--a challenge she did not take lightly.

An Unexpected Blessing

Because she hadn't worked in the tech industry for several years, Cathleen got quickly overwhelmed with how much had changed. She shares, "The first two weeks at the internship, I think that I cried every day on the way home from work. I came into it confident because I didn't know any better, but I realized how much I needed to learn."

She had to overcome hurdles at home too. "When I was done I still needed to make dinner and then I still needed to help with homework. Then I still needed to get people to bed. Then I still needed to try to do some learning so that I didn't appear so dumb the next day," she laments.

But Cathleen did not give up. She devised a plan at work to ensure she never asked the same question twice which increased her confidence. Her husband took on the after-school activities at home, and they held family councils with the kids to discuss more ways they could all work together.

With time, Cathleen settled into her work and the family settled into a new routine. When the internship ended, Family Search offered her a full-time position as a Quality Assurance Engineer. She happily accepted the job.

But wait, there's more (blessings)

In this interview, Cathleen shares the many ways in which her family has been blessed by this experience.

Spoiler alert: she loves her job, her husband got an opportunity to be more intentional with his career, and the kids became more independent. She saw the hand of God in the transition and recognized He had been guiding her towards a career r

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Allie Zeyer put down the paintbrush to support her husband’s career and start a family. After a loss, she picked it back up to find herself.


The Fine Art of Mixing

Here’s what I know about mixing paint. 

Whether you buy a gallon of latex paint at the hardware store or a bunch of acrylics at the craft store, to get the exact color you want for a project, you’ll likely have to blend a few colors together. At Lowe’s or The Home Depot, a machine can do that for you by adding precisely measured tints to a base color.  At Hobby Lobby, you will have to eyeball the options yourself and pick a couple that might work when swirled together with a paintbrush.

In both cases, you’ll probably have to experiment with the mix a bit to get the look you want. Even then, you may need to make additional adjustments when you see how the paint dries or the color is affected by the surface it's on or the light in the room.

In short, it's a process.

The Fine Art of Mothering

As a professional artist, Allie Zeyer has to mix, experiment, and adjust all the time, but not just on the palette. She does the same in her personal life, continually finding ways to blend career aspirations with her cherished role as a wife and mother.

In this interview, Allie shares her early dream of becoming an artist, how she shelved the work to provide for her family, and the heartache that drove her to return to the studio earlier than expected. She additionally explains some of the lessons learned along the way. For example, she found that she has to compartmentalize her life meaning she cannot paint and parent simultaneously without getting frustrated or compromising the outcomes. She has to pace herself, sometimes skipping events or saying ‘no’ to gallery opportunities. And she needs help. Her husband, who encourages her to keep mixing both worlds, often takes the kids out of the house on Saturdays so Allie can have dedicated time alone. 

In short, it’s a process.

But as Allie explains, “there’s been nothing but positive rewards from this” including some fun family trips, bonding with dad, and the kids finding scenes or barns they think mom should paint. She additionally says that pursuing this passion and developing her talent makes her feel good which, in turn, makes her a better mom. So even though the family has had to make adjustments, everyone is happier on the whole.

In short, for Ally and her family, it's a process that's working just fine.

Mentioned in this Interview

• Allie Zeyer's Website
• Allie Zeyer's Instagram
• Wilcox Gallery in Jackson, WY
• Relics Gallery in Holladay, Utah
• Jeffery R. Pugh, artist who inspires Allie 

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The Unfolding of Roxanne Granata's Career

There's always a backstory.

People who have found the career they were born to do seldom explain their journeys as calculated moves. Most often, their unfolding stories read like dramatic novels full of dashed hopes, conquered hardships, and seemingly arbitrary happenings. Only when they get to the end of their tales do we see the miracles in the making--how random jobs taught necessary skills, rejections redirected paths, mentors arrived at perfect times, experiences sparked interests, and so forth.

Roxanne Granata's journey is the same, but there are two ways to tell the story.

Backstory One: Professional Success

The first option is an essay on professional development. Roxanne is a woman who wanted to earn money while being home with her kids. She also wanted to overcome a lifelong fear of talking in front of people. Little did she know that signing up to be a paid crafter would help her do both plus prepare her for an eventual transition to author, podcaster, and public speaker. Her career success sits at the intersection of passion, purpose, and place. (See episode 6 with Jeffery Thompson).

It's a good read that has all of the elements I seek in choosing guests for my show.

Backstory Two: Personal Triumph

The second way to tell the story, however, is a personal memoir that is hard to hear--for me anyway. After 17 years of marriage, Roxanne discovered that her husband had a secret. He had been hiding a longtime addiction.

News like this splits your brain into equal parts clarity and confusion. There is clarity in finally understanding the chasm in your relationship and having an explanation for odd events and behaviors that happened over the years. But there is also confusion in trying to sort through the details of what you have been told (or found out), gauge the impact on your family, understand your role in the addiction, face an uncertain future, and more. When the secret comes out, you learn everything you need to know and literally nothing all at the same time.

And that's where Roxanne found herself. Thrown into counseling, recovery programs, and re=commitment to her marriage PLUS panic, skyrocketing anxiety, and a desperate need for truth. The constant chaos shattered her emotional state until one day she found herself in a closet holding a pair of scissors.

In this podcast episode, Roxanne shares what happened that day plus a series of plot twists that deepened her relationship with God, helped her heal from the trauma of betrayal, and gave her a way to help others do the same. This is the message she shares through her book, podcast, retreats, and speaking engagements.

THIS is the backstory that needs to be told.

Mentioned in this Interview

• Roxanne Granata on Instagram
• Roxanne Granata's Website
• Cutting Ties Book 
• Choose In Podcast

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Why Being a Fun Mom Matters

As a self-proclaimed, "fun mom" and the founder of GoBeFun, Amy Kroff prioritizes creating. experiences that bring her family together. Whether she’s setting up a bingo hall in her kitchen (complete with a microphone, bingo cage, and ink daubers) or issuing a challenge that requires nothing more than a blanket, this mother of seven is always looking for simple, inexpensive ways to create laughter and silliness across a broad range of age groups.

On Instagram, her home might look like it’s all fun and games, but the intention behind this frivolity is much more serious. In Amy’s words, “I value the family unit and I want families to grow together…so many problems can be solved if families just enjoyed being together.” 

But it can’t be forced.

Forced Family Fun

Amy learned early on that forcing fun on her family did not work.

She recalls, “In year’s past, I said, ‘No. I put a lot of effort into this. We’re going to have fun and you’re going to like it.’” 

Though well-meaning, that approach netted pushback and tears—the exact opposite type of family interaction she wanted. Undeterred and certain that the rewards would be worth the effort, Amy adjusted her expectations and learned how to offer the good times without requiring participation or wearing herself out.

This patience and consistency paid off. From drawing a reluctant teenager out of isolation to having long distance belly-laughs with a young adult child who no longer lives at home, Amy’s intentional experiences are creating memories and building family connections.

Learn How to Be a Fun Mom

Having seen the benefits in her own home, Amy started a business to teach other moms how to be “a little bit more fun.” Through social media, a free newsletter, an online “Fun Mom Certification” course, and a few other products and services in the works, this energetic lady with a quirky sense of humor and a brain that her sisters say does not work like others, is on a mission to bring wholesome recreation and family togetherness to the masses.

But if that doesn’t happen--"if there is no empire"--she will be just as happy knowing that her own family grew closer together in the process.

Listen to the interview to learn more about how GoBeFun got started, what Amy envisions for the business, and to hear her signature, “Fun Mom Monday” intro. It's good stuff.

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