In this episode, David and Sophie explore the ritual of “meeting” in church life: why many people miss it after deconstruction, what made it vital in the early church, and why today’s gatherings can feel either lifeless or full of energy. Drawing on the Book of Acts and the diversity of the early church, they contrast the predictability of pews and bulletins with the spontaneity of table-centered community.

They discuss a movement called “Fresh Expressions" which uses unconventional spaces like a tattoo-parlor church or “Bibles & Burritos,” to build around three core elements: doing something you love, with others, around Jesus. David introduces the concept of finding a “person of peace” and shares a hybrid experiment from their community, a Friendsgiving for LGBTQIA+ people and allies hosted at their church.

David and Sophie go on to identify what makes gatherings go stale, such as rote obligation, low engagement, and surface-level conversation, and what brings them to life: shared vulnerability, meaningful participation, and structure infused with spirit. They use images from ballet and music to show how form requires energy, borrowing from a poem which says, "education is not a bucket to fill but a fire to be lit."

In this episode, David and Sophie unpack a troubling trend within conservative Evangelical Christianity: the idea of “toxic empathy.” We explore this concept and remind ourselves that empathy, along with its close companions sympathy and compassion, was one of Jesus’ greatest strengths. The gospels repeatedly describe him as being “moved with compassion.” Why then do some feel the need to contaminate this word?

When compassion, empathy, and love of neighbor are rebranded as weaknesses or dangers, the result is not wisdom but a distorted version of Christianity that causes deep harm. To call empathy “toxic” is not to protect people but to poison the very goodness that Jesus embodied. It teaches us to view Christlike love as something suspect rather than sacred.

Join us as we work to reclaim the qualities that made Jesus’ life and ministry so powerful.

In this episode David and Sophie discuss the dynamics of power in the modern church from celebrity and CEO pastors to donor-driven boards and the ways systems protect institutions over people.

Drawing from personal experience, we explore why so many are disillusioned and leaving church communities, and what it means to “change the game” rather than keep playing by the world’s rules.

In this episode, David and Sophie deconstruct the popular phrase “The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it.” At first glance, it sounds like a statement of faith. But what’s really behind this instinct? Is it a desire for certainty, a need for control, or even a way of using Scripture as a weapon?

We talk honestly about the harm this phrase can cause. When Scripture is wielded as a weapon, it can leave people wounded, silenced, and driven away from faith. We explore our own experience around that as well as talk about what it's like to sit with those who have been hurt and hear their stories of harm.

We also dive into Jesus’ words in John 5:39–40, where He challenges His listeners: “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have life, but they testify about me.” Together, we explore what it means to read Scripture not as an endpoint, but as a witness that points us to Christ.

Along the way, we look at how Jesus Himself engaged with Scripture in his resistance to Satan’s misuse of it in the wilderness, how he confronted the Pharisees’ weaponization of it, and how his deepening of the Torah brought healing, mercy, and life.

In this episode, David and Sophie tackle one of the most popular religious slogans: “Love the sinner, hate the sin.” Sounds simple and noble right?

But what if the very thing others label as "sin" holds the key to our freedom and growth. What if “sinner” was more about social labels and power dynamics than moral reality? And what if Jesus’ willingness to be labeled a sinner himself was the very heart of the good news?

Join us as we deconstruct this phrase, rethink how we think about sin and sinners, and discover a Jesus who isn’t in the business of labeling people, but of restoring them.

In this episode, David and Sophie welcome Jeremy Steele, a pastor of the unchurched and host of the Unbelief podcast. Jeremy opens up about what it’s like to be a skeptical pastor and shares his perspective on deconstruction, faith and community.

https://jeremy-steele.com/

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David and Sophie explore the origins of queerphobia with stories from their own lives.

David and Sophie explore the topic of discipleship.

David and Sophie explore the topic of prayer and recognize that many of us carry ideas about it that can feel more like personal projections than genuine spiritual practice.

How is our understanding of communicating with God affected by our culture and family of origin? Is praying to God any more meaningful or effective than praying to a jug of milk?

David and Sophie explore how conservative Christians often invoke the fear of a 'slippery slope' as a way to resist change, protect certainty, and avoid confronting deeper truths. Through honest conversation, they deconstruct how this fear can block personal and spiritual growth.