The five BRICS nations (Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa) are meeting in Johannesburg. Established in 2009, the block was created to help advance the interests of nations not traditionally aligned with the west. But agreeing on common policies has been a challenge to say the least, especially in light of Russia's war in Ukraine. Joining Julia to discuss is Hash Pant, vice president of studies and foreign policy at the Observer Research Foundation in New Delhi. 

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