British writer Robert Macfarlane joins Amy for a special long-form conversation about the connections between landscape, language, people, and place. They delve into Robert’s latest book, Underland: A Deep Time Journey, and also draw on ideas from his past works including, Mountains of the Mind, The Old Ways, and Landmarks. Robert is a Fellow of Emmanuel College, Cambridge University. Danya Jacobs, senior lawyer from Environmental Justice Australia tells Amy about the federal court case she co-led and won on behalf of Friends of Leadbeater's Possum Inc. against VicForests to protect our old growth native forests and endangered species. What do the final court orders mean for the protection of native forests in Victoria? Plus Ben Eltham discusses the latest in federal politics.