Renowned American science writer David Quammen joined Amy to discuss his prescient 2012 book, Spillover: Animal Infections and the Next Human Pandemic. David explores why zoonotic spillovers that cause diseases like COVID–19 are occurring more and more. He also tells us what humans must do to prevent the next viral pandemic, including changing our relationship to nature and stopping the disruption and destruction of diverse ecosystems. Megan Patty, Head of Publications at the National Gallery of Victoria talks about their latest book of essays, She Persists: Perspectives on Women in Art & Design, which highlights the work of women artists across centuries and cultures. Megan also discusses her essay on the poster as a site of resistance, and 1980s feminist art activists the Guerrilla Girls. Plus Ben Eltham from New Matilda chats about the latest in federal politics.