Aaron, Matt, and Jonathan are joined by Astra Taylor, author of End Times Fascism, and Mark Bray, author of Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook, for a big picture conversation about what it means to fight fascism in this historical moment. Topics include popular resistance to ICE, tensions between “radical” and “normie” mobilization, how much we all hate AI, and why it shouldn’t actually be that hard to build a majoritarian coalition around the idea that like 25 creepy billionaires shouldn’t own literally everything on the planet.

Note: This episode was recorded before the (insane and horrifying) war in Iran began.

Fighting Fascism Podcast is produced by Nik Damants in collaboration with The Nation.

Intro song and music by horse radish

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