Apparently five-year plans originated as government agendas, but they are such a practical way of accomplishing goals that we figured we should talk about them. Do you have a five-year plan? Should you have one? Is it okay if your plan doesn’t end up the way you envisioned? Tune in to hear our answers to those questions and the tough realization that we won’t always live together.

Also, fun fact: being podcast hosts wasn’t in either of our five-year plans but it has been one of our favorite unexpected changes.