In this episode, I’m talking to a former white supremacist, Arno Arr Michaelis IV and an Indian immigrant, Pardeep Singh Kaleka. After the Oak Creek Sikh Temple Shooting in 2012, Pardeep and Arno came together and formed Serve 2 Unite, an organisation to combat hate and work towards creating inclusive, compassionate and nonviolent climates within schools and communities.In this episode we talk about their remarkable stories, how they are working relentlessly to unite and inspire others to make change and stand for what they believe in, healthy masculinity and much more.Their new book, The Gift Of Our Wounds is available to buy now! You can also enter to win a copy here: https://bit.ly/2rou9O1

 

Here’s the link to my interview with Arno Michaelis and Andre Bloc about race: https://web.facebook.com/upliftingcontent/videos/1493633550725241/

 

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