In this conversation, Jennifer and Steve dive head-first into the themes of passion, change, and personal growth. They discuss the importance of recognizing and pursuing passions, navigating emotional challenges during times of change, and the distinction between motivation and discipline. The dialogue also touches on the impact of shame and judgment on personal development, the significance of community and support in healing, and the necessity of focusing on one's own process rather than comparing oneself to others. The conversation concludes with reflections on life and the tendency to overthink, emphasizing the importance of staying present and authentic.

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