How can the arts, specifically music and rap, engage communities and reach people with the Gospel? Flame — Lutheran rap artist, author of Extra Nos: Discovering Grace outside Myself (available from CPH), and creative behind Extra Nos Academy, joins Andy and Sarah to talk about rap as art, art in outreach to engage communities, what he's been working on and upcoming projects, Extra Nos Conferences, and the value he sees in equipping laity to understand great Biblical doctrine. (Plus, hear his answers to our Lightning Round!) Find Flame's book at books.cph.org/extra-nos and find Extra Nos Academy at extranosacademy.com.