Millions of people have read Joel's report and seen the body cam footage after he was mistakenly tracked, and then ambushed, by police for what was believed to be grand theft auto after Flock license plate readers flagged the car he was driving for days.

The story, and topic of Flock and automatic license plate readers, is a lightning rod and at the heart of a national debate and various discussions in America. People's concerns about warrantless tracking, their 4th amendment rights, their privacy, and the constant stories surfacing of cops misusing the technology to stalk people can't be overlooked.

The Drive's Director Of Content And Product Joel Feder and Flock Safety CEO Garrett Langley sat down for a candid conversation about what happened, what's happening in America, and the future.

Stories mentioned in today's episode:

⁠How Flock Cameras Wrongly Tracked Me for Days Over ‘Stolen’ Plates and Sent Police After Me⁠

⁠Flock Says Its Cameras Worked ‘Correctly’ When Police Tracked and Ambushed Me for No Reason⁠

I Reported on Flock’s Cameras. Now I’m One of the System’s Mistakes

⁠Cops Are Already Using License Plate Readers to Stalk People⁠

⁠License Plate Cameras Are Tracking Your Life Without a Warrant⁠

⁠License Plate Cameras Will Soon Track Phones, Wearables, Infotainment, and Even Your Pets

00:00 Intro

03:55 - What happened?

06:16 - What's changing and what did Flock learn from this?

14:02 - Addressing the hundreds of millions of misreads a month

18:00 - What's the future look like?

21:21 - The 4th amendment and privacy concerns

24:28 - Congress members threatening anti-Flock bills

27:00 - Publish pushback on Flock

31:52 - Police misuse and abuse of Flock

35:26 - Addressing Garrett calling people "domestic terrorists"

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