Dr. Francis Collins, the former director of the National Institutes of Health, talks about the devastating consequences of President Trump’s attack on America’s scientists and why many are now taking their work overseas. Dr. Collins’s new book, “The Road to Wisdom,” is out now.

Originally aired July 16th, 2025.

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