After a career at Unilever, he moved on to a top position at one of the largest aviation companies in the world. He entered the company around the merger between Air France and KLM, and after a climb to the top, he is now the Chief Financial Officer of KLM, the dutch counterpart of the company. Together with two students from our interview team, our guest: Erik Swelheim, discusses his life as a student, the move from Unilever in France to KLM in The Netherlands, the relations between the two aviation counterparts in the group, sustainability and aviation in times of crisis.