In this episode I sit down with one of my oldest friends, for less of a formal interview and more of a catchup. Afiyah and I went to the same primary school and briefly the same secondary school. Afiyah now works in philanthropy for the university of SOAS.

We talk very frankly about how race and religion both played a part in her development but also in our friendship with one another. She talks with such humour about how a British Asian identity needn’t be a dichotomy. We also touch very frankly on the social racial divisions that existed at our school and how common this phenomenon seems to be.

In a slight diversion from the topic at hand Afiyah and I also explore arranged marriages vs western dating and I hope my Mother listens and takes note. 

There are points in the episode that we reference specific schools. Rest assured this shouldn’t distract from a listener’s enjoyment if they aren’t familiar with these schools. This segment of conversation serves to remind us of how decisions around schooling can make big impacts on a person. It’s also Afiyah expressing her love for the extraordinarily complex school that she remained at for seven years, and how even for an academic child an academic school is not always the best option. 

Now, in her adulthood, we discuss the incredible work that Afiyah does now. Specifically we touch on her work ensuring that students with refugee status are not excluded from attending university. You can find out more on the Sanctuary Scholarships here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkhGS3aDytk.

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Edited by Connor Hughes 
Original Artwork by Oliver Rosser

Jenna Chick is Corporate and Retail Partnerships Manager at Smart Works, my charity of choice. Smart Works provides a dressing and coaching service for unemployed women with confirmed job interviews. It also does so much more than that, it takes a woman who for whatever reason is lacking confidence and reinvigorates her. 

In this episode Jenna goes into more depth about the work that Smart Works does, but also into her own journey. Jenna can almost precisely trace her current path back to being devastated at not becoming a school prefect when she was 16.

Jenna can be found on Instagram at @jennachick and photos of those ‘mirror moments’ at the very core of Smart Works’ mission can be found at @smartworkscharity. 





Edited by Connor Hughes

Jemma is the co-founder and CEO of Stories Behind Things, an online platform that champions sustainable, conscious living.

One Saturday morning in her very zen East London flat, Jemma and I sat down to discuss how she became the woman she is today. 

We touch on her childhood as a dreamer and how she found the fashion industry as an ‘obvious’ fusion of psychology, art and business. She talks about her mother’s two battles with breast cancer and how Jemma’s responses to this differed between childhood and adulthood. 

We discuss the inspiring work that she is doing now with Stories Behind Things and how ‘Stories’, as she affectionately calls it, came to be.

Stories Behind Things can be found on Instagram at @storiesbehindthings and Jemma is @jemmafinch_. 

Jemma also mentions Hurr in this episode, an online peer to peer clothing rental platform. They can be found at @Hurr. I have a couple of dresses available on there, if you’ll excuse the cheeky plug.

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Edited by Connor Hughes 
Original Artwork by Oliver Rosser

For Goodness Sake is a podcast about goodness. I hope to explore what it means to be good, how good people are formed and what we can all be doing to be better. I will be meeting and interviewing people doing ‘good’ work from a variety of backgrounds ranging from sustainable consumption to social work to veganism. I am so excited to be chatting to some of the best people that I know and hopefully you are excited to listen.

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Voiced by Molly Bushnell
Edited by Connor Hughes
Artwork by Oliver Rosser