Ref Dad joins us on this week's podcast! Following a career in coaching, which took him to America, he came back and realised that coaching was no longer for him.

This has led to a career in refereeing and a 10 year plan but what does this entail? Have a listen to this week's episode and let us know what you think!

In this week's episode, I talk to Shaun Barry about his career in football. Shaun was a grassroots player who, by his own admission, was a bit of a hatchet man kicking anything that moved. In his own words, he spent more time suspended than he did playing. How did he make the transition from player to referee? Find out in this week's episode.

What is in a referee mindset? What are the small changes you can make to move up to the next level or move up within a level? We talk to Aaron Lloyd about the changes he has made since being on FA CORE and since starting as a young referee. We are joined by Alex Compton on the quiz too. Can he move up the ladder?

This week we are joined by UON journalist Tom Toseland and we discuss the media portrayal of referee David Coote. Does he deserve the reaction he has received or is it a mistake that can be rectified? Does the media help in these situations or do they make the situation worse? The boys chat in depth about this.

Our international podcast is back and this week we go Stateside to Illinois as we are joined by Mike from The Refereeing Circle! We have a wonderful chat as we compare the systems in America to those in the UK. Adam O'Connor joins us on the quiz. Can he climb up the leaderboard?

This week we are joined by the Nene League's Matt Hurst. Matt is Secretary, Referee Appointment Officer and even runs his own team! We talk about refereeing standards and how these could improved. We discuss whether referees should take an annual test plus much more! Aaron Lloyd also joins us on the quiz and what a treat that is!

Chris Rowland joins us this week as we discuss the technology used in football. We talk about the developmental opportunities and the complexity of club marks. Lots more things discussed too and Gav Mack joins us for the quiz, even if the WiFi was another disaster!

Ever wondered what it is like to have a full-time job and another full-time job volunteering? Regular listener Matt Goude joins us this week to discuss the hours he puts helping Blisworth FC flourish but also what his club do to support the young referees coming through the county.

It might have been an early start but we got Martyn Gospel on the podcast this week! All the way from the sunshine of Australia, he takes time out to discuss his career and his move to Australia. He tells about his highlights and things he would have done differently!

We are joined by a For Ref's Sake debutant. Abdul Kadir first started off in the Bangladeshi League before taking up the whistle. But why does football refereeing still find recruiting from some minority groups a struggle? We also discuss empathy in refereeing and what 'safe' refereeing means. We are joined by Andy Humphries on the quiz this week. Can he climb the ladder of success?