We’re entering a new season (literally and creatively) and in true For The Love Of fashion, we’re embracing the pivot.

In this "behind the scenes" chat, we share why we’re shifting away from a regular episode cadence for now, what it actually takes to produce a podcast, and how we’re making space for new ideas in 2025.

Here's your reminder that passion projects get to evolve.

We talk about:

• What podcasting actually takes—time, energy, and a lot of editing

• How we’re honoring our own bandwidth (and friendship!) by changing course

• Why we’re treating this next season of the podcast as a pop-up experiment

• The concept of creative composting and making space for what’s next

• Favorite takeaways from past episodes that are guiding us through this season of change

Episodes we mention and love:

• Tina & Rhett Jacobi on making space for magic

• Graham Zimmerman on imperfect advocacy

• Slutashia/Samuel Thrower on holding multiple truths

• Marina LeGree on nuance, identity, and service

• John Waller on vitality and letting go

• Doug Beardsley on wringing the towel dry

• Mel Strong on money, ethics, and financial empowerment

We’re not going away! We’re just showing up a little differently for a while. 

Follow or subscribe so you don’t miss a pop-up episode when it drops.

And if you’ve been impacted by this show or have a story of your own trade-offs in pursuit of passion, reach out! We’d love to hear from you.

• Jeni on Instagram

• Angie on Instagram

• Angie’s website

• Angie on LinkedIn

   

• On Apple Podcasts

• On Spotify

   

Music: The Kind of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins

Thank you to The Ruins, the best wedding venue in Oregon, for supporting the show.

Do you find that when spring arrives, you jump into that buzzy energy too quickly and overcommit?

Same. 🙋‍♀️ In honor of slowing down our seasonal tradition AND to reflect on the past 1.5 years of this show, we want to revisit our very first episode.

Katie’s story is the ultimate pivot: from a six-figure job to bartending on an expedition ship in Antarctica, and eventually kite skiing across Greenland. But beyond the adventures, we dig into what it means to live a values-aligned life, navigate fear while chasing goals, and embrace the changing chapters of our decades.

Hear about:

• The trade-offs of living a "raw, wild and free" life
• Being a very fearful person who also faces risk
• Planning intentionally for a new decade of life
• Seasonal work vs. a 9-to-5
• Begging to chicken sit

Our first episode still so deeply shares the whole point of this show: What are we willing to trade off in order to live our passions?

A couple other episodes you might love:

• How a Mountaineering Accident Taught Doug Beardsley to Live Life to the Fullest: https://www.fortheloveofpod.com/episodes/dougbeardsley 
• Managing Expectations in a High Pressure Academic Environment with Dr. Hannah Prather: https://www.fortheloveofpod.com/episodes/hannahprather

Make sure you join our free Substack (email list) so you can let us know what you think about the show!

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1 - Your 5-star ratings and reviews make a huge difference, both for the future of the show and the smiles on our faces! ⭐Please rate and review For The Love Of on  Apple Podcasts and on Spotify.

2 - Follow @for.the.love.of.podcast and tag us in a post or Story! (https://instagram.com/for.the.love.of.podcast)

3 - Connect with Angie on Instagram (https://instagram.com/angvswild) and Jeni on Instagram (https://instagram.com/jenistembridge).

This athlete is dedicating 2025 to embracing the tradeoffs that come with a passion.

Sydney Schroder is a professional snowboarder based in South Lake Tahoe. Originally from Texas, Sydney committed to a life and career in the snowboard industry 10 years ago and hasn't looked back.

She now competes in free ride snowboarding at a high level, including the Freeride World Qualifiers while also teaching full time at Kirkwood Mountain Resort.  

We talk about:

• How tradeoffs are Sydney’s “secret weapon” while building her dream career
• Going all-in on focusing work and play on snowboarding
• Sydney’s changing relationship with competition and how it includes collaboration
• The realities of competing while working a full-time job
• Imposter syndrome as a pro athlete and instructor
• What it’s like working with a sports psychologist
• Tips for anyone thinking about following their dreams in snowboarding

Episodes mentioned in conversation: 

• Erika Vikander (freeride snowboarder)
• Adam Bernero (mental performance coach)
• Barrett Christy Cummins (Olympic snowboarder)

Connect with Sydney:

• https://instagram.com/syd_schro 
• TikTok: @syd_schro
• Twitter/X: Sydney_Schroder

Make sure you join our free Substack (email list) so you can let us know what you think about the show!

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👋Like the show? Share the stoke!:

1 - Your 5-star ratings and reviews make a huge difference, both for the future of the show and the smiles on our faces! ⭐Please rate and review For The Love Of on  Apple Podcasts and on Spotify.

2 - Follow @for.the.love.of.podcast and tag us in a post or Story! (https://instagram.com/for.the.love.of.podcast)

3 - Connect with Angie on Instagram (https://instagram.com/angvswild) and Jeni on Instagram (https://instagram.com/jenistembridge).

4 - Right now, text one friend who would like For The Love Of.

Shout-Outs:

-Music: The King of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins

-Thank you to The Ruins, the best wedding venue in Oregon, for supporting the show.

For full show notes and more: https://fortheloveofpod.com

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When an injury limits how you can perform work, art, and creativity, how do you find joy?

April Donovan, also known as the performer MC AP Real, is a rapper involved in three different musical projects as well as a formally trained artist, graphic designer, advertiser, and illustrator. 

April suffered a serious traumatic brain injury in 2018 that landed her in a coma for 10 days and is still affecting how she’s able to live and express herself today.

We talk about:

• April’s motorcycle crash and initial injuries
• Constructing and reconstructing memories after a brain injury and coma
• What it was like moving back home after the hospital
• The impact a severe injury had on relationships and finances
• Adaptations April makes in order to pursue work and art with tough symptoms
• The realities of being a creative human with an invisible disability
• How April is sharing her life through music, writing a book, and art

Make sure you join our free Substack (email list) so you can let us know what you think about the show!

Hear from another guest who shared honestly about having a traumatic brain injury: How a Traumatic Brain Injury Led Pro Athletes Brandon Scheid and Sensi Graves to Find Gratitude and New Perspectives on Life

Connect with April: https://www.behance.net/aprildonovan

FUN NEWS! The show has led to some deep IRL conversations lately, so we want to dig into YOUR life…

What are the trade-offs and pivots you’re pondering right now? Thinking about a career change? Money moves? Parenthood decisions?

Send us an anonymous “letter” at www.fortheloveofpod.com/share and Jeni and Angie will give you our perspectives on a future mini-episode.

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👋Like the show? Share the stoke!:

1 - Your 5-star ratings and reviews make a huge difference, both for the future of the show and the smiles on our faces! ⭐Please rate and review For The Love Of on  Apple Podcasts and on Spotify.

2 - Follow @for.the.love.of.podcast and tag us in a post or Story! (https://instagram.com/for.the.love.of.podcast)

3 - Connect with Angie on Instagram (https://instagram.com/angvswild) and Jeni on Instagram (https://instagram.com/jenistembridge).

4 - Right now, text one friend who would like For The Love Of.

Shout-Outs:

-Music: The King of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins

-Thank you to The Ruins, the best wedding venue in Oregon, for supporting the show.

For full show notes and more: https://fortheloveofpod.com

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Access to nature is a fundamental right, and Vivianette is advocating for it in a creative way.

Vivianette Ortiz Caraballo is a proud Puerto Rican, Latina, and madre living in Western North Carolina.

With a passion for community resilience and adventure, she founded Latinos Aventureros to help others enjoy the fundamental right of access to nature. Her outdoor events and programs are a form of advocacy and community to create spaces of belonging and growth for others.   

We talk about:

• The branding of the word “adventure” and how for many, outdoors is just part of life
• Why Vivi moved from Puerto Rico to North Carolina as a teen mom
• The shift in her relationship to nature with the move
• Why hiking seemed like an unlikely hobby for Vivi and how she got started
• Quitting a job to have more time to build an outdoor community
• Founding and leading Latinos Aventureros, a hiking community for Latinos and BIPOC
• How outdoor community is a form of advocacy
• What folks in the continental US should know about Puerto Rico
• How we can all become advocates for our most important causes

Make sure you join our free Substack (email list) so you can let us know what you think about the show!

Connect with Vivi:

• https://www.facebook.com/ortiz.viv/ 
• https://www.instagram.com/vivi.la.exploradora/ 
• http://latinosaventureros.org/

Get more inspiring thoughts on community advocacy by listening to How to be an Imperfect Advocate and Pursue Outdoor Adventures in a Changing Climate with Alpinist Graham.

FUN NEWS! ✨ The show has led to some deep IRL conversations lately, so we want to dig into YOUR life…

What are the trade-offs and pivots you’re pondering right now? Thinking about a career change? Money moves? Parenthood decisions?

Send us an anonymous “letter” at www.fortheloveofpod.com/share and Jeni and Angie will give you our perspectives on a future mini-episode.

AAAAND join us over on our free Substack to get episode and life updates from Jeni and Angie!

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👋Like the show? Share the stoke!:

1 - Your 5-star ratings and reviews make a huge difference, both for the future of the show and the smiles on our faces! ⭐Please rate and review For The Love Of on  Apple Podcasts and on Spotify.

2 - Follow @for.the.love.of.podcast and tag us in a post or Story! (https://instagram.com/for.the.love.of.podcast)

3 - Connect with Angie on Instagram (https://instagram.com/angvswild) and Jeni on Instagram (https://instagram.com/jenistembridge).

4 - Right now, text one friend who would like For The Love Of.

Shout-Outs:

-Music: The King of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins

-Thank you to The Ruins, the best wedding venue in Oregon, for supporting the show.

For full show notes and more: https://fortheloveofpod.com

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⛵ Can you honor security and adventure at the same time?

Tina and Rhett Jacobi are a husband and wife team living in the Columbia River Gorge. They co-founded their business, Big Water Construction, after returning from a several months long sailing trip, including an Atlantic crossing.

In the middle of the ocean, they hosted their own Zoom wedding from the boat. As artists, athletes, and entrepreneurs, they infuse passion and stoke into their everyday life.

We talk about:

• What it’s like to build a small business with your spouse
• How Tina and Rhett intentionally designed their relationship from day 1
• Intense moments from sailing across the ocean on a small sailboat
• The transition back to life on soil and immediately buying a house
• Blending art, construction, business, and adventure while dealing with the realities of life stress

If you love the Jacobi vibes, listen to Rhett’s sister on the show: How Living Seasonally and Wild Entrepreneurship Led Tamara Jacobi to Run a Mexican Jungle Eco Lodge

Connect with the Jacobis:

• instagram.com/bigwaterconstruction 
• www.bigwaterconstruction.com

FUN NEWS! ✨ The show has led to some deep IRL conversations lately, so we want to dig into YOUR life…

What are the trade-offs and pivots you’re pondering right now? Thinking about a career change? Money moves? Parenthood decisions?

Send us an anonymous “letter” at www.fortheloveofpod.com/share and Jeni and Angie will give you our perspectives on a future mini-episode.

AAAAND join us over on our free Substack to get episode and life updates from Jeni and Angie!

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👋Like the show? Share the stoke!:

1 - Your 5-star ratings and reviews make a huge difference, both for the future of the show and the smiles on our faces! ⭐Please rate and review For The Love Of on  Apple Podcasts and on Spotify.

2 - Follow @for.the.love.of.podcast and tag us in a post or Story! (https://instagram.com/for.the.love.of.podcast)

3 - Connect with Angie on Instagram (https://instagram.com/angvswild) and Jeni on Instagram (https://instagram.com/jenistembridge).

4 - Right now, text one friend who would like For The Love Of.

Shout-Outs:

-Music: The King of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins

-Thank you to The Ruins, the best wedding venue in Oregon, for supporting the show.

For full show notes and more: https://fortheloveofpod.com

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FUN NEWS! ✨ The show has led to some deep IRL conversations lately, so we want to dig into YOUR life…

What are the trade-offs and pivots you’re pondering right now? Thinking about a career change? Money moves? Parenthood decisions?

Send us an anonymous “letter” (via this form), and Jeni and Angie will give you our perspectives on a future mini-episode. And now…

🎙️ Jason Russ is a lifelong musician and extreme sports enthusiast. His experiences with alcoholism and drug addiction led to the destruction of his material life and most of his relationships, as well as the near loss of his own life.

Jason's life changed forever when he fell in love with recovery and sobriety, which helped him complete a motorcycle trip across the Americas.

We talk about:

• Jason’s early dedication to extreme sports
• The onset and progression of alcoholism and addiction
• What addiction feels like and how it felt against his will
• The experience that shifted Jason’s life and led him to recovery
• Finding spirituality and a greater power that led to sobriety
• Reckoning with holding privilege while also being an addict
• A 2 year, 74,000-mile motorcycle trip across 17 countries
• Finding an energy greater than himself every day in recovery

If you like the honesty and openness of this episode, you’ll love How Pro Kitesurfer Jason Slezak Stopped Chasing Highs to Avoid His Past Trauma and Changed His Approach to Sports and Mental Health.

Connect with Jason:

• Jason’s website and resources: inspiredjourney.life  
• Jason’s sound/lighting business in the Gorge: inspiredjourneysoundproduction.com

Submit your letter for us to dig into in a future episode here: www.fortheloveofpod.com/share

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👋Like the show? Share the stoke!:

1 - Your 5-star ratings and reviews make a huge difference, both for the future of the show and the smiles on our faces! ⭐Please rate and review For The Love Of on  Apple Podcasts and on Spotify.

2 - Follow @for.the.love.of.podcast and tag us in a post or Story! (https://instagram.com/for.the.love.of.podcast)

3 - Connect with Angie on Instagram (https://instagram.com/angvswild) and Jeni on Instagram (https://instagram.com/jenistembridge).

4 - Right now, text one friend who would like For The Love Of.

Shout-Outs:

-Music: The King of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins

-Thank you to The Ruins, the best wedding venue in Oregon, for supporting the show.

For full show notes and more: https://fortheloveofpod.com

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Pro athletes might look like they have ultimate freedom, but that lifestyle isn’t always what you think.

Barrett Christy Cummins began her snowboarding career in the early 1990’s as the sport was starting to gain mainstream attention. From 1993-2003, she competed at the highest level, filmed movie parts and commercials, and enjoyed the perks of sponsorship with some of the biggest brands in sports.

Barrett transitioned to roles in marketing and product development with her former sponsors after starting a family in 2004. 20 years later, she's launching into new challenges to stretch her vision and goals to new spaces.

We talk about:

• Creating lifestyle goals instead of professional goals
• Moving west and deciding to pursue snowboarding in South Lake Tahoe
• Getting into snowboarding before the X Games and pre-Olympic snowboarding
• How competing with the boys drove her to perform
• Competition vs. collaboration with other women in sport
• Expectations for female athletes: being camera-friendly and a brand ambassador
• Keeping the fun in your passion when your passion is work
• Barrett’s Olympic experience and what she wishes she did differently
• Getting injured and deciding to start a family instead of competing
• What it’s like to have a snowboarding trick named after you
• Working with brands to make better gear
• Pro snowboarding “provided far less freedom than you would imagine”
• Building financial literacy and being intentional with money

If you like snow sports, chatting about the Olympics, or digging into how to increase gender equity in sports, listen to Why Erika Vikander is Fighting for Gender Equality in Freeride Snowboarding and Women’s Sports.

Connect with Barrett:

• Instagram: instagram.com/barrettcc
• Website: barrettcc.com
• Financial services: camberwealthbuilders.com

👋Like the show? Share the stoke!:

1 - Your 5-star ratings and reviews make a huge difference, both for the future of the show and the smiles on our faces! ⭐Please rate and review For The Love Of on  Apple Podcasts and on Spotify.

2 - Follow @for.the.love.of.podcast and tag us in a post or Story! (https://instagram.com/for.the.love.of.podcast)

3 - Connect with Angie on Instagram (https://instagram.com/angvswild) and Jeni on Instagram (https://instagram.com/jenistembridge).

4 - Right now, text one friend who would like For The Love Of.

Shout-Outs:

-Music: The King of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins

-Thank you to The Ruins, the best wedding venue in Oregon, for supporting the show.

For full show notes and more: https://fortheloveofpod.com

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“Life is a series of trade-offs.” “Never a failure, always a lesson.” “Did you see this photo of my cat?”

We’re sharing our OWN honest reflections of the year, highlighting the top trade-offs we both made in 2024.

You’ll hear about:

• Reckoning with the dark side of social media: do the costs outweigh the benefits?
• Where do you go online without Instagram?
• Jeni now has something to nurture other than 1,000 houseplants.
• She’s a Crazy Cat Lady now!
• The scariness yet magic of delegating.
• Outsourcing is a spectrum, not a binary.
• What the f*ck is Jeni doing with her life?
• Unemployment vs. funemployment.
• Being a Good Times Monster vs. disciplined (or being both)
• Our BIG ESCAPE ROOM ANNOUNCEMENT that everyyyybody’s asking about
• Some big appreciations and perhaps changes to this show?

Calling all listeners! Yes, you! Could you do us one of these as a holiday gift? Pretty please with a cherry on top?

1- Send an episode you love of FTLO to a friend so we can reach new folks.

2- Tag us on your Instagram Story with a recommendation to list.

3- Let us know if you’d like more “solo” (duo?) episodes, or weekly episodes.

4- We’re looking for partners to support the show! Got a brand who’d be a great fit?

5- Send us your recs for guests! We want a more diverse range of voices.

We absolutely love you and send you the brightest vibes as we enter 2025. See ya soon!

👋Connect with us:

• Angie's new Substack
• Jeni on Instagram

Shout-Outs:

-Music: The King of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins

-Thank you to The Ruins, the best wedding venue in Oregon, for supporting the show.

-For full show notes and more: https://fortheloveofpod.com

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What does training for spending weeks deep underground teach you about the rest of life?

Katie Graham is a passionate cave and canyon explorer who discovered Canada’s deepest and second deepest caves. This feat was showcased in the 2023 documentary film “Subterranean.”

Katie is a fellow of the Royal Canadian Geographic Society and president of the Alberta Speleological Society. As a former accountant, she left her corporate gig to spend more time underground.

We talk about:

• Is it caving, or spelunking?
• The pressure of working deep underground, especially with a film crew
• Breaking her leg days deep in the cave and self-evacuating for 3 days
• Hauling tons of heavy gear for weeks just to spend minutes in a cave section
• The mundane monotony of training for expeditions
• Finding balance between celebrating milestones and the training grind
• The mental game of cave diving
• Burning out with a passion and how to add fun back into it
• The scary days that kick your ass are the ones that matter most
• Why Katie started professional accounting and why she later quit
• The nuance of her team being kicked out of a village on a caving trip to Mexico
• The effects of living underground for weeks and manipulating your own circadian rhythm
• Making cool cave suits!

PSST! If you like this episode, you’ll love How Sunny Stroeer Transformed Her Corporate Skills to Advance Gender Equity in the Outdoors and Combining Art Forms and Identities with Drag Raptress Samuel Thrower, AKA Slutashia

Connect with Katie:

• Subterranean Film
• Katie on Instagram

👋Like the show? Share the stoke!:

1 - Your 5-star ratings and reviews make a huge difference, both for the future of the show and the smiles on our faces! ⭐Please rate and review For The Love Of on  Apple Podcasts and on Spotify.

2 - Follow @for.the.love.of.podcast and tag us in a post or Story! (https://instagram.com/for.the.love.of.podcast)

3 - Connect with Angie on Instagram (https://instagram.com/angvswild) and Jeni on Instagram (https://instagram.com/jenistembridge).

4 - Right now, text one friend who would like For The Love Of.

Shout-Outs:

-Music: The King of Sandwich Island by Shut-ins

-Thank you to The Ruins, the best wedding venue in Oregon, for supporting the show.

For full show notes and more: https://fortheloveofpod.com

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