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September 07, 2021 How does MEDIA control the climate change narrative? We need to talk about eco-anxiety
About the Episode
In the second episode of season two, We Need to Talk about Eco-Anxiety, Clover discerns how our media has shaped the climate narrative in the past, and how we can leverage it to accelerate climate action.
First up, Clover speaks with filmmaker and fellow climate activist, Jack Harries, about what ‘woke’ him up to the climate crisis and why, in his words, it’s been the ‘story we failed to tell.’ We then hear from young people around the world sharing how media impacts their eco-anxiety; our resident psychotherapist, Caroline Hickman, on how to navigate these climate emotions; and finally the President of the New York Times, Stephan Dunbar-Smith, on how legacy media should step up to communicate the climate crisis.
Top Quotes
"If we look at the climate story over the last 30 - 40 years very often it has focused on doom and gloom, and denial. We have failed to communicate the human impact. Which is a shame because, as people, we are moved by human stories. If we instead said that in 30-40 years they'll be food shortages and crops will fail en masse, suddenly that animal instinct within us wakes up. In many ways, climate change is the story we failed to tell." - Jack Harries
"We have to give people the honour of telling them the truth about the climate crisis." - Caroline Hickman
About the Guests
Jack Harries is a documentary photographer, filmmaker and activist. In 2011 he created JacksGap, a successful YouTube channel and blog that has over 4 million subscribers. Through his work, Jack raises awareness about the climate crisis, forced migration and mental health. Over the last few years, he has covered environmental stories in Greenland, Somaliland, Bhutan and Kiribati. He also serves as a World Wildlife Fund ambassador and holds an MA in Ethnography and Documentary Filmmaking from UCL.
Stephen Dunbar-Johnson is the President International of The New York Times Company. Dunbar-Johnson is responsible for the oversight and strategic development of the Times Company’s international businesses. Dunbar-Johnson was appointed president, International for The New York Times Company in October 2013 to lead the global expansion of the company.
Caroline Hickman is a psychotherapist and Climate Psychology Therapist in Education at the University of Bath. Her research specialises in children and young people's relationships with nature, and their feelings about the climate and ecological crisis.

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Read our latest blog over on The Bloom, written by one of our young content creators inspired by this episode https://www.forceofnature.xyz/the-bloom

34 min
September 01, 2021 Are FOSSIL FUELS burning our future? We need to talk about eco-anxiety
About the Episode
In the first episode of season two, We Need to Talk about Eco-Anxiety, Clover embarks on a journey to learn more about how our production and use of energy contributes both to the climate crisis, and the rise of eco-anxiety.
First up, Clover sits down with activist Aneesa Khan to understand more how the lies told by the fossil fuel industry perpetuate our ‘addiction’. We then hear from young people around the world, sharing how their eco-anxiety is impacted by fossil fuels; our resident psychotherapist, Caroline Hickman, on how to navigate these feelings; and finally, Kate from OVO Energy - on how we can power our homes sustainably.
Top Quotes
"The injustice of the climate crises is why I'm here. Wealthy countries, countries in the global north, the fossil fuel industry, and corporations are very much responsible for the climate crises but the people who are bearing its burden are our young people, women, people of colour and indigenous people." - Aneesa
"There is money in the world. The governments around the globe spent 13 trillion dollars bailing out the banks during the financial crises. They have money for the climate crises. They're just not giving it out." - Aneesa

About the Host
Clover Hogan is a 22-year-old climate activist, researcher on eco-anxiety, and the founder of Force of Nature - a youth-led organisation empowering Gen Z to step up, rather than shut down, in the face of the climate crisis.

About the Guests
Aneesa Khan is an Indian-born climate activist who has decided to dedicate herself to the movement for climate justice. She studied international environmental law and politics at College of the Atlantic, and has attended UN climate conferences in Lima, Paris, Marrakesh, and Katowice.
Caroline Hickman is a psychotherapist and Climate Psychology Therapist in Education at the University of Bath. Her research specialises in children and young people's relationships with nature, and their feelings about the climate and ecological crisis.

About the Sponsor
OVO is a green energy supplier on a mission to help its members kick carbon from their homes.
Not only is OVO Energy committed to being a net zero carbon company by 2030, at the same time it’s aiming to halve its members’ total carbon footprints. These are massive goals that lie at the heart of its 10-year business strategy Plan Zero. There’s already a collective of more than a million planet-loving OVO members helping drive change. But its aim is to bring low-carbon tech to more than 5 million homes! And that can only be a good thing for our planet. If you want to find out more, you can head to https://ovo.com/planzero/

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Check out more podcast content, eco-anxiety resources, and opportunities to join us at Force of Nature https://www.forceofnature.xyz/podcast
View our recent collaboration with Aneesa Khan on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/forceofnature.xyz
Sign up to our newsletter to receive the podcast direct to your inbox, as well as exclusive invites - like our mid-season event with speakers from the show https://view.flodesk.com/pages/611e4f7e1a673a30ce698795
Take our 5-minute quiz ‘Which Changemaker Are You?’, featuring activists like Aneesa who feature in the podcast https://www.forceofnature.xyz/change-maker-quiz
Learn if you have eco-anxiety by taking our quiz here https://www.forceofnature.xyz/eco-anxiety-quiz
Read our latest blog over on The Bloom, written by one of our young content creators inspired by this episode https://www.forceofnature.xyz/the-bloom/are-fossil-fuels-burning-our-future
38 min
August 24, 2021 Season 2 Trailer - We need to talk about eco-anxiety
Hi, my name's Clover and welcome to Season 2 of the Force of Nature Podcast: We need to talk about eco-anxiety.
Some of you may be wondering what eco-anxiety is while others may be struggling with it right now. This podcast is for both of you.
For those curious listeners who want to understand the impacts of climate change on our mental health, this podcast is your crash course.
Each week on the show we'll be exploring a different face of the climate crisis: from the food we eat, to our relationship with the media, our addiction to fossil fuels, and everything in-between.
I'll be speaking to leading experts and global companies about challenges and solutions. You'll also hear from young people around the world who feel eco-anxious, and hear from our resident psychotherapist Caroline Hickman about how to navigate some of these feelings.
And for those who feel eco-anxious right now, I'm here to tell you that you're not alone. And far from being a sign of weakness, your eco-anxiety is totally normal; in fact, it's a sign of your empathy - proof that you're awake to the issues.
I believe that talking about our eco-anxiety is the first step to turning it into agency, community and vision.
So, let's talk about eco-anxiety.
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3 min
September 23, 2020 Rethink The System - A Conversation with James Arbib
In this episode of Force of Nature, Clover sits down with James Arbib - co-founder of RethinkX, the non-profit think tank exploring how technology will shape the future and disrupt all levels of society. From lab-grown meat to driverless, electric cars, James helps leaders make better decisions for an equitable, healthy, and resilient society. In this episode, Clover and James discuss the influences that shape our lives, planning for uncertainty, and whether the system really is too broken to create meaningful change.

Episode notes

01:40 - 14:46) Asking if the “system” is too broken for meaningful change; why we can’t keep plastering over problems with token solutions; and why technology can only take us so far in delivering utopia.

14:46 - 21:23) What happens when people decide to opt out of the system; understanding how power operates to create space for new leaders; why positive exponential change is (and must be made) possible.

21:23 - 33:42) Learning to navigate uncertainty while planning for mass-disruption; finding society’s new narrative; and rewriting social contracts.

33:42 - 40:05) Beginning to rethink much of how we live, breathe and exist in the 21st century; stripping back complexity to uncover universal truths; why we find change so terrifying; and how to create the conditions for the best in society to emerge.

40:05 - 51:38) Why climate change demands a new story - not of fear, but of the world that’s possible; looking forward rather than regressing to past certainties; sustainable solutions presented as opportunities rather sacrifice.

51:38 - 1:02:56 ) Dismantling society’s dominion complex to redistribute power to the people; solving problems through the lens of intersectionality; creating the conditions for a new world to emerge.

Top quotes

“You never see a leading civilization of one era becoming the leading civilization of the next era because there's too much resistance to change within the leaders… it's always someone on the edge.” - James

“We see these glimpses of what’s possible when lots of people come together.” - Clover

“The reason we've been successful as a society is our ability to be social creatures, work together and rally around stories. How can we reclaim that narrative?” - Clover

“The stories we tell about the climate are terrifying, right? That’s paralyzing at some level - and we do ourselves a disservice by focusing on the fear side too much.” - James

“There's a saying we have in society: ‘where there's a will, there’s a way’. It's framed the wrong way around. It should be: ‘where there's a way, there's a will’, meaning if we can see what's possible, we will find the will to get there.” - James

About the guest(s)

James Arbib is the co-Founder of RethinkX, a not-for-profit think tank that has developed a framework to better understand the non-linear nature of technology disruption across the economy and its broad implications across society. It aims to provide key decision makers (policy-makers, investors and businesses) with insight and data that captures the potential and implications of these disruptions, to help society make better choices. He also serves in a number of advisory roles in the Investment and Sustainability sectors.

Resources
RethinkX https://www.rethinkx.com/
Read the latest report from RethinkX, “Rethink Humanity”: https://www.rethinkx.com/humanity

About the host

Clover Hogan is a 21-year-old climate activist, researcher on eco-anxiety, and the founder of Force of Nature - a youth-led organisation empowering Gen Z to step up, rather than shut down, in the face of the climate crisis. She has worked alongside the world’s leading authorities on sustainability, within the boardrooms of Fortune 500 companies, and inside classrooms across the UK.

Clover serves as a trustee to Global Action Plan, and is on the advisory boards of the National Community Lottery's Climate Action Fund; the Teach the Future campaign; and the COP26 President-Designate Civil Society and Youth Advisory Council.

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Carl Dybwad: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carl-philip-dybwad-869b72182/
1 hr 4 min
September 16, 2020 Find Your Story - A Conversation with Maryam Pasha
In this episode of Force of Nature, Clover sits down with Maryam Pasha - master story-teller, Director of TEDxLondon, and the founder of XEquals. With a background in the human rights and charity sector, Maryam found her piece of the jigsaw helping people tell their stories, and give life to their ideas - especially those made to feel like imposters. In this conversation, Clover and Maryam discuss overcoming inner gremlins, the rise of armchair experts, the key to persuading anyone, and how to create a world where no one’s left behind.

Episode notes

01:36 - 07:30) Why society needs to hear new stories; how you’re made to feel like an imposter; and unzipping the identity “costumes” we hide behind.

07:30 - 15:00) Dismantling the meritocracy; mythology throughout human history; why we don’t have a progressive, cosmopolitan narrative that’s working; letting go of our projections onto others.

15:00 - 22:38 ) What happens when childhood dreams are pushed into the furnace of the industrial complex; the Hedonic treadmill of always wanting more; how the standardised education system enslaves us to the 9 - 5.

22:38 - 30:03 ) Learning to tell your story and embrace the sh*tty first draft; ending the pursuit of perfection; and embracing fear of failure.

30:03 - 37:40) Don’t listen to the armchair expert; befriending the inner gremlins that tell you you’re not good enough; unpacking your core destructive beliefs.

37:40 - 43:20) Making change starts with doing what you’re good at; be the drop of change that starts the tsunami; finding focus to change the big picture.

43:20 - 46:38) Climate change is the symptom of broken systems - there’s no climate justice without social justice; creating a world where no one’s left behind; is there such a thing as “too diverse”?

46:38 - 49:51) Dividing society into four categories, and how to speak to each; the difference between a campaigner and activist; and learning to influence people’s knowledge, attitudes and practice through TED.

49:51 - 57:04 ) The essential ingredients for persuasion; how to show up and be an ally; building your tribe and choosing who you surround yourself with.

Top quotes

“As a society, we need to hear new ideas and new stories from new storytellers because I think that's where we're going to find the solutions to the big problems that we're facing.” - Maryam

“I felt like such an outsider for so long because the stories that society told me were ones of not belonging. I embraced it as a survival technique. I think lots of people in alternative communities do this.” - Maryam

“Every single one of us is a drop. All the efforts we make are a drop. And we have no idea which drop is going to be the one that overflows, that changes the tide.” - Maryam

“It is the responsibility of men to stand for equality for women and to call out bad behavior. So too is it my responsibility as a CIS white woman to stand up for our people in the LGBTQ+ community. None of us can say, “It’s not my position, it’s not my role, it’s not my story” - it's part of the fabric of the society that we want to create.” - Clover

“When overwhelmed in the face of these big messy challenges, it's so easy to revert to tribal mentality and look back, rather than look forward, in the face of uncertainty.” - Clover

About the guest(s)

Maryam Pasha is a master story-teller, Director of TEDxLondon, and the founder of XEquals. She’s also the founder and lead curator for TEDxEastEnd - running 13 large and small TEDx events. With a background in the human rights and charity sector, Maryam found her piece of the jigsaw helping people tell their stories, and give life to their ideas - especially those made to feel like imposters. In this conversation, Clover and Maryam discuss overcoming inner gremlins, the rise of armchair experts, the key to persuading anyone, and how to create a world where no one’s left behind.

Resources
XEquals http://xequals.london/
TEDx London https://tedxlondon.com/
Brene Brown’s Netflix special https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr-WvA7uFDQ&ab_channel=Netflix

About the host

Clover Hogan is a 21-year-old climate activist, researcher on eco-anxiety, and the founder of Force of Nature - a youth-led organisation empowering Gen Z to step up, rather than shut down, in the face of the climate crisis. She has worked alongside the world’s leading authorities on sustainability, within the boardrooms of Fortune 500 companies, and inside classrooms across the UK.

Clover serves as a trustee to Global Action Plan, and is on the advisory boards of the National Community Lottery's Climate Action Fund; the Teach the Future campaign; and the COP26 President-Designate Civil Society and Youth Advisory Council.

Twitter - https://twitter.com/cloverhogan
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/cloverhogan
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LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/clover-h-564201126/

E. [email protected]

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Kasra Firouzyar: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kasra-firouzyar-68861117a/
Janet Hogan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/the5thdoor/
Carl Dybwad: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carl-philip-dybwad-869b72182/
58 min
September 10, 2020 Let Your Courage Take Flight - A Conversation with Sacha Dench
In this episode of Force of Nature, Clover sits down with Sacha Dench - an award-winning conservationist, adventurer and UN ambassador. Sacha has been called ‘the Human Swan’ since she took to the skies in 2016. Equipped with a propellor on her back and a piece of fabric to keep her airborne, Sacha migrated with the swans from Arctic Russia to the UK, crossing 11 countries, to find out why the bird population was plummeting. In this conversation, Clover and Sacha chat overcoming fear, finding a mandate bigger than yourself, and reconciling loss in a changing world.

Episode notes

01:31 - 10:18) Letting go of ego to achieve a mandate bigger than yourself; Sacha’s catalyst for taking to the skies; learning to fly in the face of “impossible”.

10:18 - 25:45) Finding allies in unusual places; why James Bond saved the day (seriously!); the power of “overview effect” - seeing the world from above.

25:45 - 35:31) Why we shut down in the face of global challenges; setting aside the shouting to invite people to be one of the good guys; the power of the media when it chooses to be a force for good.

35:31 - 38:45 ) Why we’re numb to the climate and ecological crisis; how social media and “hashtag activism” swathe us in the assurance we’re doing our bit; what happens when people wake up to their individual power.

38:45 - 48:45) Navigating critics - including our inner ones; rekindling deep awe and appreciation for nature; losing your home to climate change, and finding inspiration in the rubble.

48:45 - 54:00) Climate change does not discriminate - responding to threats in a globalised world; how communities on the frontlines are already learning to adapt; realising interconnectedness.

54:00 - 58:45) Reigniting the moral conviction of youth; why society’s narratives keep us feeling disempowered; grounding in “intrinsic” values to rewrite the stories that keep you from finding your WHY.

58:45 - 1:11:16) The power of assumptions, and how to shake up your own; thinking about legacy; reconciling our mortality to live life to its fullest.

Top quotes

“I’d like to think that I have taken the weird collection of skills and passions that make me, me and I’ve used them for the most good in the world.” - Sacha

“We have won the lottery of life on this planet. But I think we tend to fixate on the mini lotteries that we lose.” - Clover

“I also try and apply the same sort of empathy that conservationists have for the animals, and apply that to people. We often miss that most people actually aren’t bad.” - Sacha

“We’re carving our names so deeply in the tree of life that we look as if we’re about to kill it. And that comes from fear of our own mortality.” - Clover

About the guest(s)

Sacha Dench is an award-winning conservationist (founder of Conservation Without Borders), adventurer and UN ambassador. Her groundbreaking expedition ‘Flight of the Swans’ saw her flying by paramotor from Arctic Russia across 11 countries to the UK to help save the Bewick’s swan. She has been awarded the 2018 Britannia Trophy for the most meritorious performance in aviation (previously awarded to Sir Richard Branson and the Red Arrows and not won by a woman since 1967), a Woman of the Year 2017 and the Environment Campaign of the Year 2017 among others. She also holds the record for the First Channel Crossing by Paramotor for a woman.

Resources
Conservation Without Borders: https://www.conservation-without-borders.org/
Sacha’s personal website: http://www.sachadench.com/
The human swan, TEDxTruro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOBixLRYYog

About the host

Clover Hogan is a 21-year-old climate activist, researcher on eco-anxiety, and the founder of Force of Nature - a youth-led organisation empowering Gen Z to step up, rather than shut down, in the face of the climate crisis. She has worked alongside the world’s leading authorities on sustainability, within the boardrooms of Fortune 500 companies, and inside classrooms across the UK.

Clover serves as a trustee to Global Action Plan, and is on the advisory boards of the National Community Lottery's Climate Action Fund; the Teach the Future campaign; and the COP26 President-Designate Civil Society and Youth Advisory Council.

Twitter - https://twitter.com/cloverhogan
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/cloverhogan
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LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/clover-h-564201126/

E. [email protected]

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Kasra Firouzyar: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kasra-firouzyar-68861117a/
Janet Hogan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/the5thdoor/
Carl Dybwad: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carl-philip-dybwad-869b72182/
1 hr 13 min
September 02, 2020 Grow Your Own Grassroots Movement - A Conversation with Pam Warhurst
In this episode of Force of Nature, Clover sits down with Pam Warhurst - founder of Incredible Edible. Pam’s history as an activist goes back four decades, but in 2008 she experienced a catalyst that ignited a global movement out of her backyard. In this conversation, Clover and Pam unpack people’s power, finding where you’re smartest, and building back communities to weather society’s biggest storms.

Episode notes

02:04 - 04:56) Pam’s flashbulb moment came out of frustration at doomism; why food was the catalyst for a grassroots movement; and how ordinary people achieve extraordinary things when given the chance.

04:56 - 10:53) Incredible Edible turned global; the source of society’s disconnect; and why climate change is the ultimate trump card.

10:43 - 18:06) The problem is the system, not the individuals; how we all need to take ownership of the solutions; and why now is the time to beg for forgiveness, not ask for permission.

18:06 - 27:35) Letting go of the “we’re better than you” mentality; creating an invitation too good to turn down; delivering sustainable systems that meet the needs of all.

27:35 - 39:57) Rewriting our social contracts to deliver climate and social justice; realising that technology will only take us so far; and beginning to write a new normal.

39:57 - 52:29) Decisions outside of closed-door rooms; the power of individuals sharing their stories; and how to recognise your gifts, then offer them.

52:29 - 1:00:01) Don’t let your convictions fall by the wayside; have the courage to imagine a better world; and learn to become an unrelenting optimist.

Top quotes

“In a society that can persuade people to buy bottled water, we can persuade people to live life differently, right? This is not rocket science.” - Pam

“We have been given the greatest gift of all, which is the gift of life on this planet - yet we navigate our lives in the 21st century focusing on the mini lotteries that we lose every day.” - Clover

“We've got problems. We haven't respected all species. We've created a culture of greed and consumption. All that is true. So what are we going to do about it?” - Pam

“We need to build a world where decisions are made locally. You are unlikely to pollute a local watercourse if you live in the area of that watercourse; you are unlikely to want to build houses in a floodplain if you’ve lived in a floodplain. You are more likely to get those nuances, and put that extra resource in, if you live in that locality.” - Pam

“Ultimately, it's up to us to stop being a victim. Stop waiting for permission, stop saying I can only do it with money. Do it with the gifts that you've got because you've got them; just play them and see where you go.” - Pam

About the guest(s)

Pam Warhurst co-founded Incredible Edible in 2008, after her town of 50,000 people was hit by horrific floods - exposing its vulnerability to climate change. Having been in the inner circles of politics and business, Pam was fed up with empty promises and climate doomism. So she sat at the kitchen table with friends and explored how they could make their community more resilient, and more prosperous. Their answer was food. Specifically, ‘propaganda gardening’. Now, Incredible Edible has 120 groups across the UK, and over a thousand worldwide, all of whom are taking back their food sovereignty.

Resources
Incredible Edible
https://www.incredibleedible.org.uk/

About the host

Clover Hogan is a 21-year-old climate activist, researcher on eco-anxiety, and the founder of Force of Nature - a youth-led organisation empowering Gen Z to step up, rather than shut down, in the face of the climate crisis. She has worked alongside the world’s leading authorities on sustainability, within the boardrooms of Fortune 500 companies, and inside classrooms across the UK.

Clover serves as a trustee to Global Action Plan, and is on the advisory boards of the National Community Lottery's Climate Action Fund; the Teach the Future campaign; and the COP26 President-Designate Civil Society and Youth Advisory Council.

Twitter - https://twitter.com/cloverhogan
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/cloverhogan
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/cloverhogan/
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/clover-h-564201126/

E. [email protected]

Find out more

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/forceofnature/
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Studio: https://www.onefineplay.com
Producer: James Bishop @itsjamesbishop

With special thanks to
James Bishop: https://www.linkedin.com/in/onnefineplay/
Kasra Firouzyar: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kasra-firouzyar-68861117a/
Janet Hogan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/the5thdoor/
Carl Dybwad: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carl-philip-dybwad-869b72182/
1 hr 1 min
July 15, 2020 Find What You'd Die For, and Live For It - A Conversation with Elly Hanson
In this episode of Force of Nature, Clover sits down with Dr. Elly Hanson - a clinical psychologist who applies lessons from the way we think, and feel, to some of society’s messiest problems. From childhood abuse, to trauma, and more recently, the climate crisis, Elly doesn’t shy away from hard questions. In this conversation, we ask: what do you stand for? Who do you stand for? And who are you willing to stand up against in the fight for what’s right?

Episode notes

01:31 - 06:59) A crash course in climate psychology; the relationship between trauma and denial; and why young people are experiencing eco-anxiety, ecophobia, and feelings of powerlessness in the face of cataclysmic environmental change.

06:49 - 12:15) Intergenerational conflict; understanding why we have emotions and how to harness helpful ones; and holding the tension between despair and optimism.

12:15 - 18:59) How society brings out the worst in us, and how to unhook from bad values; dismantling the survival of the fittest myth; and inviting society to a culture of community, connection and contribution.

18:59 - 28:30) How death is treated in different cultures; the connection between climate denial and our fear of death; and the power of finding something you’d die for, to realise the meaning of life.

28:30 - 41:36) Values strengthened in the face of adversity; welcoming confrontation; and setting aside our differences to make society better for everybody.

Top quotes

“With whatever action we decide to pursue, we need to go into it completely unshackled from expectation or unshackled from outcome, because it's just the right thing to do.” - Clover

“All that we do have is our soul, and we can give our soul, and contribute to being a part of the universe. And that's all that we can really do in the end. And for me - that is a life worth living.” - Elly

“Sometimes living in a very values-led way can mean that you are challenged. We will come across confrontation, and if we don't, then we're kind of not in the right space because the status quo isn't values-led - so let's bring on that challenge.” - Elly

“Even if climate change was not happening, we've got a problem. We've got the powerful oppressing those with less power, we've got huge amounts of human suffering and abuse, and relationship problems, and poverty, and inequality, and mental health problems…. so maybe climate change is the crisis that we need to stand up to.” - Elly

“Both despair and optimism allow you to sit on the sidelines. Hope is that place in the messy middle, where you're able to hold the tension between confronting how we all have been complicit in creating these problems, while also entertaining another future that is possible.” - Clover

About the guest(s)

Elly Hanson is an independent Clinical Psychologist and researcher working across diverse sectors to apply psychology to some of society’s most pressing problems. She has undertaken a variety of research studies with young people and worked to apply their insights to policy and practice. Elly is a consultant to the PSHE Association, supporting evidence-based life education that foregrounds autonomy, values and good relationships.

Resources
“Hope in the Dark” by Rebecca Solnit
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28048.Hope_in_the_Dark
“The Inner Level” by Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40163368-the-inner-level?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=mlP30yeeau&rank=1
“The Righteous Mind - Why Good People Disagree About Politics and Religion” by Jonathan Haidt
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11324722-the-righteous-mind
The ‘Just World’ theory https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-the-just-world-phenomenon-2795304
Terror management theory
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fear-death-and-politics/

About the host

Clover Hogan is a 21-year-old climate activist, researcher on eco-anxiety, and the founder of Force of Nature - a youth-led organisation empowering Gen Z to step up, rather than shut down, in the face of the climate crisis. She has worked alongside the world’s leading authorities on sustainability, within the boardrooms of Fortune 500 companies, and inside classrooms across the UK.

Clover serves as a trustee to Global Action Plan, and is on the advisory boards of the National Community Lottery's Climate Action Fund and student-led #TeachTheFuture campaign.

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43 min
June 25, 2020 Unleash Your Inner Rebel - A Conversation with Farhana Yamin
In this episode of Force of Nature, Clover sits down with Farhana Yamin - an environmental lawyer who has been at the highest level of international climate negotiations for over 25 years. In early 2019, Farhana joined Extinction Rebellion to glue herself to the pavement outside the Shell building in London. In this episode, Farhana and Clover discuss when to fight, how the key to solving the climate crisis lies in community, and why the flipside of how royally we’ve messed up the planet is how many ways there are to help it.

Episode notes

01:33 - 5:00) Farhana’s catalyst for glueing herself outside the Shell building; why non-violent direct action is essential for disrupting business as usual.

05:00 - 8:50) Behind the curtain of corporate greenwashing; how big oil dupes the public; and igniting a people’s based movement.

8:50 - 17:25) Why power does not give itself up; the power of Gen Z to shake up capitalism; and how change is starting at the grassroots with Think & Do.

17:25 - 28:00) Just as the problems are myriad, so too are the solutions; understanding if climate collapse is inevitable; and placing people and communities at the centre of climate action.

28:00 - 34:00) What inclusivity looks like on a global level; transforming the extractive economy; dissolving binaries; and the decentralised, grassroots solutions that inspire hope.

34:00 - 37:00) The role of intergenerational exchange; why the climate crisis is symptomatic of systems ripe for disruption; and how change ripples out.

37:00 - 45:05) Understanding the diversity of lived experience of all life on this planet; appreciating what’s right in front of us; and why action begins with imagination.

Top quotes

“Power does not give itself up without that demand.” - Farhana

“The invitation of creating new systems is what needs to ignite that individual agency.” - Clover

“Just as the problems are myriad, so too are the solutions. No matter what you're passionate about, there's a way for you to fit into the 7.6-billion-piece puzzle.” - Clover

“Our human response to a worsening climate in many cases has got to be to rebuild kinder, regenerative, more socially integrated, more just communities.” - Farhana

About the guest(s)

Farhana Yamin is the international climate lawyer responsible for getting the target of net zero emissions by 2050 included in the Paris accord. Farhana has advised world leaders and countries for over 20 years, and in addition to publishing numerous books and articles on the nexus of climate change and development, she is the founder of both Track 0 and Think and Do - the grassroots hub for community action.

Resources
Track 0- http://track0.org/
Think and Do - https://www.thinkanddocamden.org.uk/
Find Farhana on Twitter - https://twitter.com/farhanaclimate
An extended bio - https://www.chathamhouse.org/expert/farhana-yamin
Read about Farhana’s role in Extinction Rebellion in this Guardian article: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/may/19/farhana-yamin-extinction-rebellion-unglue-shell

About the host

Clover Hogan is a 21-year-old climate activist, researcher on eco-anxiety, and the founder of Force of Nature - a youth-led organisation empowering Gen Z to step up, rather than shut down, in the face of the climate crisis. She has worked alongside the world’s leading authorities on sustainability, within the boardrooms of Fortune 500 companies, and inside classrooms across the UK.

Clover is also campaign strategist for #MyEcoResolution, serves as a trustee to Global Action Plan, and is on the advisory board of the National Community Lottery's Climate Action Fund.

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46 min
June 18, 2020 Take Back Power, and Politics - A Conversation With Marcus Ball
In this episode of Force of Nature, Clover sits down with Marcus J Ball - who, in May of 2019, found his name splashed across every major news outlet around the world. Marcus had launched a crowdfunded private prosecution case against Boris Johnson. The case? Lying in politics. This episode is about truth, democracy, and the corruption of our leaders - as well as finding your obsession, facing up to fears of not being enough, and why loss, grief and death can be the greatest gifts of all.

Episode notes

01:23 - 06:43) Why Marcus was catalysed to take on a system many of us deem too broken to fix; a glimpse behind the curtain of politics; and the role of truth in democracy.

06:43 - 10:28) How politicians get away with lying to the people; the breakdown of trust in society; and why power is like a blackhole.

10:28 - 18:55) The corrupt underbelly of politics in the democratised world; the relationships between people with power; and how corruption runs rampant in media and journalism.

18:55 - 23:57) Why you should serve a mission greater than yourself; knowing what you want to be remembered for on your deathbed; and how we can begin to take back power.

23:57 - 28:52) Choosing not to sit on the sidelines; why working within corporations breeds obedience; and finding solutions in even the messiest of problems.

28:52 - 32:15) Learning to befriend failure; the role of naive optimism; and why being obsessed with solving a problem kills ego, and feeds confidence.

32:15 - 39:14) Why loss, death and grief are essential to realising your mandate; reconnecting with the moral compass of youth; and wielding your privilege to take action.

39:14- 45:58) Have society’s problems become too complex to solve? Owning up to our individual responsibility; how impact comes from focus; why the narrative of individual activism is broken; and uncovering our peak humanity.

45:58 - 48:38) How to save the world without carrying the weight of it on your shoulders; being driven by the future that is possible; and why your value lies in contribution.

48:38 - 52:29) Creating a legacy; overcoming the feeling of not being enough; and learning to let go of what you can’t control.

52:29 - 55:10) Why we feel overwhelmed and immobilised by climate change; how to navigate our feelings of powerlessness; and the self-limiting beliefs that stop us from fulfilling our potential.

55:10 - 1:03:13) Does humanity need an upgrade? Seeing the bigger picture to solve society’s greatest challenges; the thing that makes us human; and a debate on whether robots should be left to rule the world.

Top quotes

“The closer you get to a black hole, the more everything around it is distorted and doesn't make any sense. The rules of physics and everything change. When it comes to power, the closer you get to powerful people, all of the rules around them start to change.” - Marcus

“You should always try and do things which are important, even if it's possible you fail, because that's the only way anything ever gets done ever.” - Marcus

“Part of our problem is that we’re not fully willing to look in the face of what has already been lost by way of species, habitat, human life, relationships, culture, indigenous culture… because it is so painful. And enshrined in that pain is the realisation that we are all complicit in the problems, and by the very nature of how we live every day, continue to contribute to these problems.” - Clover

“You can't carry the weight of the world on your shoulders, because I've seen in friends and I've seen it in myself, the impact that that has, and how it can actually make you really ineffective… because you are being driven by fear, rather than being driven by what is possible.” - Clover

“I think it's a human need to serve something, to believe in something, to solve a problem, to be obsessed with something. I think that's peak humanity.” - Marcus

About the guest(s)

Marcus is a private prosecutor and the founder of Stop Lying In Politics Ltd. - a UK, non-partisan, not-for-profit organisation which is dedicated to fighting against lying in politics. Their mission is to set a precedent in the English common law, making it illegal for any politician to lie to the public on matters of national interest - from public spending, to the case for going to war.

Marcus is crowdfunded by over 15,000 people from around the world, and his work has been covered by every major international news platform on the planet.

Resources
Marcus’ personal website - https://www.marcusjball.com/
Stop Lying in Politics - https://www.stoplyinginpolitics.org/
Find Marcus on Twitter - https://twitter.com/marcusjball?lang=en

About the host

Clover Hogan is a 21-year-old climate activist, researcher on eco-anxiety, and the founder of Force of Nature - a youth-led organisation empowering Gen Z to step up, rather than shut down, in the face of the climate crisis. She has worked alongside the world’s leading authorities on sustainability, within the boardrooms of Fortune 500 companies, and inside classrooms across the UK.

Clover is also campaign strategist for #MyEcoResolution, serves as a trustee to Global Action Plan, and is on the advisory board of the National Community Lottery's Climate Action Fund.

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1 hr 5 min

About Force of Nature

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Clover Hogan has been on the planet 24 years, and spent the past 13 working to save it. She believes it’s possible. She also believes that the threat even greater than climate change is how powerless we feel to stop it.