In this episode Kenneth Tanner talks about the power of Eucharist, church iconography and how the the humility and vulnerability of God should inform our worship of violence and gun culture.

Interviewer: Ben Grace

The Rev. Kenneth Tanner is pastor of Church of the Holy Redeemer in Rochester Hills, Michigan, where he lives with his wife and seven children. He loves talking about Jesus, the best films of Woody Allen, and making salsa. His writing has appeared in Patheos, Huffington Post, Sojourners, Books & Culture, National Review, Christianity Today, Behemoth, and Real Clear Religion.

He also publishes on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram.

In this episode Jonathan Martin talks about his brand new book "How to Survive a Shipwreck", and dives deep into death, baptism, the South, and the power of failure.

Interviewer: Ben Grace

Jonathan Martin is a sacramental hillbilly Pentecostal mystic and the author of How to Survive a Shipwreck and Prototype.  He is a product of the "Christ-haunted landscape" of the American south, sweaty revivals, and hip-hop.

To follow more of Jonathan's work, visit www.jonathanmartinwords.com