Forensic and Valuation Services (FVS)

This interview was recorded on 10/28/24 at the AICPA-CIMA Forensic and Valuation Services Conference prior to the presidential election on 11/5.  Economic issues discussed are still relevant as of the publish date11/21/24

Don’t miss this deep dive into the cost of capital and its implications for businesses and investors

Nunes and Harrington, both from Kroll, share a macroeconomic update with the FVS podcast, focusing on the cost of capital and its valuation impact. The U.S. economy is performing better than expected, avoiding a recession and potentially achieving a soft landing, with inflation under control. The interview touches on the:

• Current and future interest rate environment
• Potential impacts of AI on the economy
• Sustainability of government debt
• Future of energy costs, particularly the role of nuclear energy

Guests:   Carla S. Nunes, CFA, ABV, Managing Director, Kroll James P. Harrington, Director, Kroll Host:  Nene Glenn Gianfala, CPA, ABV, Chaffe & Associates

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FVS webcast archive | Cost of capital – basics and best practices in business valuation

From FVS Valuation Podcast archives - ESG & the Cost of Capital

LEARN MORE ABOUT THE FOLLOWING AICPA CREDENTIALS:

Accredited in Business Valuation (ABV®) – Visit the home page and check out the ABV infographic

Certified in the Valuation of Financial Instruments (CVFI®) – Visit the home page and check out the CVFI infographic

Certified in Financial Forensics (CFF®) - Visit the home page and check out the CFF infographic

This is a podcast from AICPA & CIMA, together as the Association of International Certified Professional Accountants. To enjoy more conversations from our global community of accounting and finance professionals, explore our network of free shows here. Your feedback and comments are welcomed at [email protected]

Roger Grabowski has made numerous contributions to the field of valuation, particularly in forecasting cash flows using the discounted cash flow method (DCF). Roger speaks with Josh about the evolution of valuation practices and emphasizes the importance of understanding historical growth and differentiating between organic growth and growth through acquisitions.

Topics discussed include:

• The importance of learning about the company and its management
• Thank you, Shannon Pratt - writing and presenting technical topics in an accessible manner
• Realistic forecasting and understanding the investment philosophy of business owners: 

Guest: Roger J. Grabowski, FASA, Senior Advisor, Kroll  Host: Josh Shilts, CPA/ABV/CFF/CGMA, Shilts CPA

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RESOURCES FOR FURTHER EXPLORATION AICPA FVS Section members receive exclusive benefits including up to 16 credits of complimentary CPE and access to rich technical content:  If you’re not a member, consider joining this active community of your FVS peers.   VISIT US ONLINE

Valuation Services | AICPA & CIMA

LEARN MORE ABOUT THE FOLLOWING AICPA CREDENTIALS:

Accredited in Business Valuation (ABV®) – Visit the home page and check out the ABV infographic

Certified in the Valuation of Financial Instruments (CVFI®) – Visit the home page and check out the CVFI infographic

Certified in Financial Forensics (CFF®) - Visit the home page and check out the CFF infographic

This is a podcast from AICPA & CIMA, together as the Association of International Certified Professional Accountants. To enjoy more conversations from our global community of accounting and finance professionals, explore our network of free shows here. Your feedback and comments are welcomed at [email protected]

This is the 2nd of a two-episode interview with Rod Burkert who is a valuation practice coach and advisor. If you have not listened to Part 1 – consider listening now .  Rod views AI as a tool, and like how professionals learned to use Excel and Word, he encourages a mindset shift to familiarize oneself with AI and its potential applications in business valuation. 

• How to prompt so AI understands where you are coming from and gives you better results
• Consumers' expectations for professionals to incorporate AI into their practices and use AI to save time and money
• AI-related tools to help your staff up the learning curve.  
• Practical examples of how to use AI to assist with marketing and industry knowledge

Guest:  Rod Burkert, CPA/ABV, Burkert Valuation Advisors Host: Josh Shilts, CPA/ABV/CFF/CGMA, Shilts CPA

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Rod's prompt - mentioned in the episode (scroll to the bottom of the show notes)

Oct. 28-30 in Dallas, The 2024 AICPA-CIMA Forensic and Valuation Services Conference    To register click here  Attend in person or virtually

AICPA Valuation Services home page 

FVS Section members have access to exclusive content and 16 credits of complimentary CPE  If you’re not a member, consider joining this active community of your FVS peers. Visit us online,

LEARN MORE ABOUT THE FOLLOWING AICPA CREDENTIALS:

Accredited in Business Valuation (ABV®) – Visit the home page and check out the ABV infographic

Certified in the Valuation of Financial Instruments (CVFI®) – Visit the home page and check out the CVFI infographic

Certified in Financial Forensics (CFF®) - Visit the home page and check out the CFF infographic

This is a podcast from AICPA & CIMA, together as the Association of International Certified Professional Accountants. To enjoy more conversations from our global community of accounting and finance professionals, explore our network of free shows here. Your feedback and comments are welcomed at [email protected]

Rod's prompt

CONTEXT = I am a Certified Public Accountant and also hold these business valuation credential(s): [LIST CREDENTIALS]. My entire professional practice has been devoted to providing business valuations for my [ADD TYPES OF CLIENTS]. I also [ADD OTHER PROFESSIONAL ACTIVITIES (e.g., write and speak extensively about business valuations)]. 

SERVICE = A business valuation is a specific set of approaches, methods, and procedures used to estimate the economic value of a business or an owner's interest in a business. During the valuation process, all areas of a business are analyzed to determine its worth. A business valuation can be used for a variety of purposes, including income tax, gift, and estate taxes; financial reporting; employee stock ownership plans; shareholder buy-ins and buy-outs; and divorce. Business owners or their professional advisors turn to valuation professionals for an independent estimate of value of a business. The performance of business valuations is governed by professional standards set by membership organizations that issue valuation credentials. Valuation professionals also look to government regulations (e.g., Internal Revenue Service Revenue Ruling 59-60), case law, and valuation related publications for guidance.

CLIENTS = My clients are [NAME THE TYPES OF CLIENTS YOU SERVE]. All of my clients’ businesses are [NAME THE TYPES OF BUSINESSES] (e.g., privately held companies and generally have revenues of $5 million to $50 million). I specialize in business valuations of [NAME TYPE OF VALATIONS YOU DO] (e.g., manufacturers and distributors, shareholder disputes).

Once the prompts have been added to the AI platform you can then ask the AI the following before giving it the task:

1. You don’t have to repeat it back, but do you understand all that I have written so far?
2. Before I give you my task, do you have any questions about who I am or what I do?
3. TASK = [   ]

The authors of the Eye on Fraud article on the same topic, Howard Silverstone and Sean Sauder, explore historical and modern examples of music fraud, including "payola," artist fraud, and streaming fraud, and discuss industry measures to combat these issues, including:

• Streaming fraud: bots, click farms, and playlisting scams
• Impact of fraud on artists and the industry, such as royalty fraud and illegal downloading
• The role of forensic accountants and the use of specific software and global task forces to fight streaming fraud

Guests:  Howard Silverstone, CPA/CFF, Executive Vice President, JS Held Sean Sauder, Senior Consultant, JS Held Host: Elizabeth Woodward, CPA/CFF, Forensic Accounting Director, Dean Dorton

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Want to get involved with future FVS conferences, committees, task forces, or the standing ovation program? Send a message to [email protected]

RESOURCES FOR FURTHER EXPLORATION If you’re using a podcast app that does not hyperlink to the resources, please visit  https://fvssection.libsyn.com/fvs to access the show notes with direct links. 

2024 AICPA-CIMA Forensic and Valuation Services Conference, October 28-30, Dallas, TX

To register click here  Attend in person or virtually

• AICPA members qualify for a $450 discount
• FVS Section members, ABV, CFF, and CVFI credential holders qualify for a $550 discount
• Group discounts are available for as few as 2 people

Exclusive content – Free for FVS Section members:  If you’re not a member, consider joining this active community of your FVS peers. Visit us online, You will get 16 credits of complimentary CPE and access to rich technical content

Article:  Fraud in the Music Industry | FVS Eye on Fraud, Summer 2024, Issue 4 

LEARN MORE ABOUT THE FOLLOWING AICPA CREDENTIALS:

Accredited in Business Valuation (ABV®) – Visit the home page and check out the ABV infographic

Certified in the Valuation of Financial Instruments (CVFI®) – Visit the home page and check out the CVFI infographic

Certified in Financial Forensics (CFF®) - Visit the home page and check out the CFF infographic

This is a podcast from AICPA & CIMA, together as the Association of International Certified Professional Accountants. To enjoy more conversations from our global community of accounting and finance professionals, explore our network of free shows here. Your feedback and comments are welcomed at [email protected]

Pod Squad host Nene Gianfala discusses how to support company specific risk and reconciliation with our experts fresh out of their session at the FVS conference.  Their conversation covers complex topics including:

• Understanding projected financial information (PFI)
• Quantifying company specific risk premium
• Reconciling WACC, WARA and IRR
• Complying with disclosure requirements and
• Learning the story behind the numbers.

Guests:  Charles Gallman, CPS/ABV, Managing Director, Advisory Services, Grant Thornton Ross McSwain, ABV, Sr. Manager, Advisory Services, Grant Thornton

Host:  Nene Glenn Gianfala, CPA/ABV, Vice President – Valuation Advisory Group, Chafe & Associates

Please share your thoughts about the episode - click here to leave us a review  

Want to get involved with future FVS conferences, committees, task forces, or the standing ovation program? Send a message to [email protected]

RESOURCES FOR FURTHER EXPLORATION If you’re using a podcast app that does not hyperlink to the resources, please visit  https://fvssection.libsyn.com/fvs to access the show notes with direct links. 

2024 AICPA-CIMA Forensic and Valuation Services Conference, October 28-30, Dallas, TX

To register click here  Attend in person or virtually

• AICPA members qualify for a $450 discount
• FVS Section members, ABV, CFF, and CVFI credential holders qualify for a $550 discount
• Group discounts are available for as few as 2 people

Exclusive content included in FVS Section membership:  If you’re not a member, consider joining this active community of your FVS peers. Visit us online, You will get 16 credits of complimentary CPE and access to rich technical content

Valuations for Financial Reporting Toolkit - A resource for professionals who prepare valuations for financial reporting purposes This toolkit provides a place to quickly locate many of the important resources that may be useful when preparing valuations for financial reporting purposes. It is an essential guide that will allow you to increase the efficiency of your financial reporting and valuation practice including links to: 

• AICPA publications, articles, podcasts, and more. 
• Standards issued by different standard-setting bodies that relate to business valuation

LEARN MORE ABOUT THE FOLLOWING AICPA CREDENTIALS:

Accredited in Business Valuation (ABV®) – Visit the home page and check out the ABV infographic

Certified in the Valuation of Financial Instruments (CVFI®) – Visit the home page and check out the CVFI infographic

Certified in Financial Forensics (CFF®) - Visit the home page and check out the CFF infographic

This is a podcast from AICPA & CIMA, together as the Association of International Certified Professional Accountants. To enjoy more conversations from our global community of accounting and finance professionals, explore our network of free shows here. Your feedback and comments are welcomed at [email protected]

Join us for the AICPA & CIMA Forensic & Valuation Services Conference from October 28-30 in Dallas, featuring special ticketed networking events. You can attend in person or virtually but attending in Dallas provides unmatched networking with FVS professionals. Register by September 13 to get a $150 early bird discount.  Here's what's in store: 

• Keynote speech by Rebecca Ryan, a futurist and economic expert
• Litigation Talk Series on courtroom perspectives and Daubert challenges
• AI sessions on practical applications and best practices for valuation and forensic work
• Micro sessions on various topics, offering bonus CPE and quick insights
• Beginner sessions on hot fraud topics, shareholder disputes, and more

Guests: Brian Burns, CPA/ABV/CFF, Partner Forvis Mazars LLP  Jolene Fraser, CPA/CFF, Managing Director, Eisner Advisory Group LLC  Host: Frank Previti, CPA/CFF, Partner, DiSanto Priest & Co.

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Want to get involved with future FVS conferences, committees, task forces, or the standing ovation program? Send a message to [email protected]

RESOURCES FOR FURTHER EXPLORATION If you’re using a podcast app that does not hyperlink to the resources, please visit  https://fvssection.libsyn.com/fvs to access the show notes with direct links. 

Links to register for training Oct 27-30 in Dallas: 2024 AICPA-CIMA Forensic and Valuation Services Conference, October 28-30, Dallas, TX.  To register.  Early bird discounts are available through Sept 13.  

• Attend in person or virtually
• AICPA members qualify for a $450 discount 
• FVS Section members, ABV, CFF, and CVFI credential holders qualify for a $550 discount
• Group discounts are available for as few as 2 people

The AICPA-CIMA Expert Witness Skills Workshop, Oct 28-30, Dallas TX.  Registration is in-person only and limited to 19 seats! Register by Sept 4 to pace your pre-workshop preparation. Participate in either the Economic Damages or Business Valuation Workgroup

Pre-conference workshops - in-person only

Workshop A: Legal Systems, Courts & Dispute Resolution Sunday, October 27 – 8:00 am – 12:00 pm CT 3.5 CPE Credits

Workshop B: Laws, Regulations & Guidance https://www.aicpa-cima.com/cpe-learning/conference/laws-regulations-guidance Sunday, October 27 – 1:00 – 5:00  pm CT 3.5 CPE Credits

Workshop C: Understanding Fair Value Accounting Sunday, October 27 – 9:00 – 4:30 pm CT 7 CPE Credits

This podcast episode is part of the extensive resource library available from the AICPA’s Forensic and Valuation Services Section, the premier provider of guidance, tools, and advocacy for professionals who specialize in providing forensics and business valuation services.  Visit us online, and if you’re not already a member, consider joining this active community of your FVS peers. You will get 16 credits of complimentary CPE and access to rich technical content,

LEARN MORE ABOUT THE FOLLOWING AICPA CREDENTIALS:

Accredited in Business Valuation (ABV®) – Visit the home page and check out the ABV infographic

Certified in the Valuation of Financial Instruments (CVFI®) – Visit the home page and check out the CVFI infographic

Certified in Financial Forensics (CFF®) - Visit the home page and check out the CFF infographic

This is a podcast from AICPA & CIMA, together as the Association of International Certified Professional Accountants. To enjoy more conversations from our global community of accounting and finance professionals, explore our network of free shows here. Your feedback and comments are welcomed at [email protected]

This podcast episode is part of the extensive resource library available from the AICPA’s Forensic and Valuation Services Section, the premier provider of guidance, tools, and advocacy for professionals who specialize in providing forensics and business valuation services.  Visit us online, and if you’re not already a member, consider joining this active community of your FVS peers. You will get 16 credits of complimentary CPE and access to rich technical content.

Rod and Josh discuss the impact of artificial intelligence (AI), on business and life:  the talent crunch in the business valuation profession and the high salaries offered by large firms make it difficult for smaller firms to hire junior analysts.

Imagine growing your business without being able to hire additional staff - could AI be a solution to this constraint?  

Key takeaways:

• The importance of familiarizing oneself with AI and its potential applications in business valuation
• How AI can be used to do a lot of tasks that you would hire a junior analyst to do.
• Make time to learn the tool.  See the show notes for a list of great resources
• Practical examples of how to use AI to assist with writing and due diligence prep

Guest:  Rod Burkert, CPA/ABV, Burkert Valuation Advisors Host: Josh Shilts, CPA/ABV/CFF/CGMA, Shilts CPA

Please share your thoughts about the episode - click here to leave us a review  

Want to get involved with future FVS conferences, committees, task forces, or the standing ovation program? Send a message to [email protected]

RESOURCES FOR FURTHER EXPLORATION If you’re using a podcast app that does not hyperlink to the resources, please visit  https://fvssection.libsyn.com/fvs to access the show notes with direct links. 

Rod will be a presenter at the 2024 AICPA-CIMA Forensic and Valuation Services Conference, October 28-30 in Dallas, TX.  CLICK HERE to register 

• Early bird discounts are available through Sept 13.  
• FVS Section, ABV, CFF, and CVFI save an additional $550. 

Exclusive content included in FVS Section membership:  If you’re not a member, consider joining this active community of your FVS peers. Visit us online, You will get 16 credits of complimentary CPE and access to rich technical content The state of AI and machine learning in financial instrument valuation | FVS webcast archive

LEARN MORE ABOUT THE FOLLOWING AICPA CREDENTIALS:

Accredited in Business Valuation (ABV®) – Visit the home page and check out the ABV infographic

Certified in the Valuation of Financial Instruments (CVFI®) – Visit the home page and check out the CVFI infographic

Certified in Financial Forensics (CFF®) - Visit the home page and check out the CFF infographic

This is a podcast from AICPA & CIMA, together as the Association of International Certified Professional Accountants. To enjoy more conversations from our global community of accounting and finance professionals, explore our network of free shows here. Your feedback and comments are welcomed at [email protected]

FVS experts must keep abreast of AI’s influence on fraud and forensic accounting, utilizing it prudently and mindful of its constraints and misuse risks. 

Following the publication of the 2nd quarter Eye on Fraud report, we converse with the authors to learn about the four categories of AI and spotlight both the dangers and advantages of each type:

• Reactive machines
• Limited memory
• Theory of mind
• Self-awareness

Guests: 

• Clay Kniepmann, JD, CPA/CFF/ABV, Anders CPA and Advisors
• David Zweighaft CPA/CFF, CFE DSZ Forensic Accounting & Consulting Services

Host: Frank Previti, CPA/CFF, Partner and Director of Fraud, Forensic & Transaction Advisory Services, DiSanto Priest & Co.

Please share your thoughts about the episode - click here to leave us a review  

Want to get involved with future FVS conferences, committees, task forces, or the standing ovation program? Send a message to [email protected]

RESOURCES FOR FURTHER EXPLORATION If you’re using a podcast app that does not hyperlink to the resources, please visit  https://fvssection.libsyn.com/fvs to access the show notes with direct links. 

 Full article  The Role of Artificial Intelligence in Forensic Accounting and Litigation Consulting | FVS Eye on FraudFVS Section benefits    The state of AI and machine learning in financial instrument valuation | FVS webcast archive

This podcast episode is part of the extensive resource library available from the AICPA’s Forensic and Valuation Services Section, the premier provider of guidance, tools, and advocacy for professionals who specialize in providing forensics, valuation, litigation, and fraud services.  Visit us online, and if you’re not already a member, consider joining this active community of your FVS peers. You will get 16 credits of complimentary CPE and access to rich technical content

LEARN MORE ABOUT THE FOLLOWING AICPA CREDENTIALS:

Accredited in Business Valuation (ABV®) – Visit the home page and check out the ABV infographic

Certified in the Valuation of Financial Instruments (CVFI®) – Visit the home page and check out the CVFI infographic

Certified in Financial Forensics (CFF®) - Visit the home page and check out the CFF infographic

This is a podcast from AICPA & CIMA, together as the Association of International Certified Professional Accountants. To enjoy more conversations from our global community of accounting and finance professionals, explore our network of free shows here. Your feedback and comments are welcomed at [email protected]

For our final bankruptcy episode, we are in conversation with Clint Neider from AlixPartners. Clint shares his passion for the critical role valuation plays in bankruptcy restructuring.  Restructuring requires a combination of science and art, as well as the ability to play the role of a finance professional and a therapist.  Clint shares:

• What skills make a successful restructuring practitioner
• How valuations impact the negotiation process
• Learning to educate, counsel, and provide guidance to the Court

Guest: Clint Neider, CPA/ABV, AlixPartners, Restructuring Group Host: Josh Shilts, CPA/ABV/CFF/CGMA, ASA, CFE. Shilts CPA, PLLC

Please share your thoughts about the episode - click here to leave us a review  

Want to get involved with future FVS conferences, committees, task forces, or the standing ovation program? Send a message to [email protected]

RESOURCES FOR FURTHER EXPLORATION If you’re using a podcast app that does not hyperlink to the resources, please visit  https://fvssection.libsyn.com/fvs to access the show notes with direct links.

Previously released Bankruptcy Briefings episodes:

• Navigating Financial Rebirth, Part 1 with Ken DeGraw
• Navigating Financial Rebirth, Part 2 with Elizabeth Woodward

Exclusive content – Free for FVS Section members:  If you’re not a member, consider joining this active community of your FVS peers. Visit us online, You will get 16 credits of complimentary CPE and access to rich technical content

•  Frequently asked questions when providing bankruptcy services
• Providing Bankruptcy and Reorganization Services, Vol. 1: Litigation and Dispute Resolution in Bankruptcy
• Providing Bankruptcy and Reorganization Services, Vol. 2: Valuation in Bankruptcy
• Bankruptcy at a glance: chapter 7
• Bankruptcy at a glance: chapter 11
• Bankruptcy at a glance: chapter 11, subchapter V 

LEARN MORE ABOUT THE FOLLOWING AICPA CREDENTIALS:

Accredited in Business Valuation (ABV®) – Visit the home page and check out the ABV infographic

Certified in the Valuation of Financial Instruments (CVFI®) – Visit the home page and check out the CVFI infographic

Certified in Financial Forensics (CFF®) - Visit the home page and check out the CFF infographic

This is a podcast from AICPA & CIMA, together as the Association of International Certified Professional Accountants. To enjoy more conversations from our global community of accounting and finance professionals, explore our network of free shows here. Your feedback and comments are welcomed at [email protected]

Elizabeth Woodward converses with Denise Harding, a speaker at the 2023 AICPA-CIMA Forensic and Valuation Services Conference.  Denise provides insight into the Dark Web, addressing typical misunderstandings, as well as offering advice to help professionals:

• Capitalize on their forensic accounting expertise in cryptocurrency-related endeavors, 
• Illustrate the tools frequently used in these types of assignments, and
• Establish best practices for efficient engagement management. 

Guest: Denise Harding, CPA/CFF, CFE, Forensic Accountant, Navel Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS)

Host: Elizabeth Woodward, CPA/CFF, CFE, Forensic Accounting Director, Dean Dorton 

Please share your thoughts about the episode - click here to leave us a review  

Want to get involved with future FVS conferences, committees, task forces, or the standing ovation program? Send a message to [email protected]

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Anti-money laundering regulations for the U.S., Canada, and the European Union  

Exclusive content – Free for FVS Section members:  If you’re not a member, consider joining this active community of your FVS peers. Visit us online, You will get 16 credits of complimentary CPE and access to rich technical content

Accountants and the battle against money laundering | FVS Eye on Fraud 

Fraud in the age of virtual currency | FVS Eye on Fraud 

LEARN MORE ABOUT THE FOLLOWING AICPA CREDENTIALS:

Accredited in Business Valuation (ABV®) – Visit the home page and check out the ABV infographic

Certified in the Valuation of Financial Instruments (CVFI®) – Visit the home page and check out the CVFI infographic

Certified in Financial Forensics (CFF®) - Visit the home page and check out the CFF infographic

This is a podcast from AICPA & CIMA, together as the Association of International Certified Professional Accountants. To enjoy more conversations from our global community of accounting and finance professionals, explore our network of free shows here. Your feedback and comments are welcomed at [email protected]