Fossil vs Future

More than half of the world’s population now lives in cities – and that number keeps growing. Cities are engines of opportunity and economic growth, but they also generate vast amounts of waste, pollution, and emissions. Yet by bringing together people, ideas, and investments, cities also become hubs of innovation where climate solutions can emerge and scale. 

In this episode, James and Daisy explore the relationship between climate and cities. How is climate change reshaping urban life? How are cities adapting? And how can cities lead the way towards a more sustainable future? 

SOME RECOMMENDATIONS: 

• C40 Cities – A network of nearly 100 mayors taking collective action on climate. 3 in 4 C40 cities are reducing per capita emissions faster than their national governments. 
• Cities & Regions Hub at COP30 – Elevates the role of subnational governments as key actors in the COP process and anchors their contributions to the global climate agenda.

OTHER ADVOCATES AND RESOURCES:

• Sustainable Development Commission – Formerly the UK Government's independent adviser on sustainable development (closed in 2011).
• Clover Hogan (2024) – People should stop buying electric cars and instead ask, “how do we redesign mobility?” 
• SUN Mobility – Aims to establish one of the largest battery swapping networks by 2030, accelerating the adoption of electric vehicles.  
• Smart Surfaces Coalition – Helps cities make “smart” surface decisions by demonstrating the value of surfaces that manage the sun and rain.
• The Wildlife Trusts (2022) – Bauer Outdoor Media aimed to have instal 150 bee bus stops across the UK by the end of 2022. 

• ULEZ – London’s Ultra Low Emission Zone is the largest clean air zone in the world. 
• Sadiq Khan (2025) – “It was predicted to take 193 years to meet legal limits for air pollution in London – we did it in 9.”
• London National Park City – Declared in July 2019, with 49.7% of the city made up of green and blue space.
• Wild West End – A partnership between property owners (including The Crown Estate) to create ecological corridors between London’s Royal Parks and garden squares.
• LBC (2025) – Oxford Street was car-free for a day and footfall rose nearly 50% as thousands rediscovered the joy of a truly public space.
• BBC (2024) – Honeybees account for 57% of all pollinating insects within the City of London despite being only one of 270 UK bee species.

• Paris – The 2021-2026 cycling plan aims to make Paris a fully cycle-friendly city, expanding bike infrastructure, secure parking systems, and the cycling ecosystem. 
• Barcelona – The Master Plan for Barcelona’s Trees 2017-2037 aims to increase the city’s tree cover by 5% so that 30% of the city is covered by trees. 
• The Guardian (2025) – In Jerez de la Frontera in Spain green canopies of grapevines cool streets  by up to 8°C. 

• UNDP (2024) – In Lima, Peru, fog catcher technology and automated irrigation are used to harvest water from fog oases. In Lagos, Nigeria, economic losses from flooding are already US$4 billion per year. Indonesia is set to replace Jakarta, the world's fastest-sinking city, with a newly planned capital that has yet to be built.
• Singapore – The “garden city” vision was introduced by then Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew on 11 May 1967.
• BBC (2024) – Nearly half of China's major cities are sinking due to water extraction and the increasing weight of their rapid expansion. Shanghai has sunk over 3m in a century.
• NEOM – A futuristic mega-project in Saudi Arabia designed to harness technology, sustainability, and development.

SOME FACTS: 

• UNEP – Cities only occupy 3% of the Earth’s land surface. 
• World Bank – Over 4 billion people live in cities. By 2050, it will be nearly 7 in 10. Cities produce over 70% of global GHG emissions and account for 80% of global GDP.  Since 1985, over 75,000 km2 of new urban land, equivalent to about 50 times the area of Greater London, has been developed in areas prone to severe flooding.
• IPCC (2021) – Urban emissions rose from 25 GtCO2-eq (about 62% of global share) in 2015 to 29 GtCO2-eq (67–72%) in 2020.
• UNEP – Cities consume over 75% of natural resources. 
• UNEP (2021) – The world’s cities are heating up at twice the global average rate due to rapid urbanization and the urban heat island effect. By 2100, many cities could warm as much as 4°C.
• WEF (2018) – By 2100, 13 of the world’s largest megacities will be located in Africa; none in the Americas, China, or Europe.

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Like any industry, music has a carbon footprint – from live events and global touring to merchandise and streaming. Yet what makes music unique is its reach and power to inspire change. 

In this episode, James and Daisy are joined by Daniel Morrell – sustainability pioneer, environmental activist, artist, and electronic musician. Together they explore music’s role in the fight against climate change. What are the impacts of the industry? How can music drive climate action? Who is leading the change?

SOME RECOMMENDATIONS: 

• Chant Live – An experimental “Space Punk” cocktail made up of music legends, technological innovation and environmental action with a dash of one special ingredient – you. Upload your voice via the app to create a unique visual sonic signature and feature in the next gig. It’s free for now but future proceeds will plant land art forests. 
• BalanceEco – A platform that makes it easy for people and businesses to 'balance' their environmental impact effectively over the long term.  
• EarthPercent – Invites artists and the music industry at large to donate a small percentage of their income to nature.

OTHER ADVOCATES AND RESOURCES:

• Coldplay – Reducing the carbon footprint of their Music of the Spheres World Tour. In 2024, the direct emissions were almost 60% lower than their 2016–17 stadium tour (with 18 shows powered entirely by portable battery systems and 72% of all waste diverted from landfill).
• Massive Attack – Their Act 1.5 show produced 98% less power emissions than comparable concerts.
• Billie Eilish – A vocal climate advocate and organiser of the Overheated conference that brings together climate activists, musicians and designers to discuss the climate crisis. 
• AURORA – A Norwegian singer, songwriter, producer, and advocate for environmental and social issues.
• Glastonbury – Since 2023, the festival has been powered entirely by fossil-free energy.

• Tyndall Centre (2021) – A roadmap for the UK live music sector to play its part in tackling the climate crisis.  
• Julie’s Bicycle – A non-profit mobilising the arts and culture to act on the climate, nature and justice crisis. Hosts the world’s largest environmental resource library for the arts. 
• A Greener Future – Helps organisations, events, festivals, and venues around the world to be more sustainable.
• REVERB – Dedicated to creating a more sustainable music industry.
• Music Declares Emergency – Brings together artists, industry professionals and fans to call for a governmental response to the climate emergency through the No Music on a Dead Planet campaign. 
• Music Climate Pact – Sets out a series of high-level commitments to serve as a declaration of intent for the global music sector.  

• Future Forests – The first carbon offsetting company (later renamed The CarbonNeutral company). 
• Live Earth – A series of benefit concerts featuring 150+ musicians across 12 locations held on 7 July, 2007 to combat climate change.

SOME FACTS: 

• Nature (2024) – In 2010, researchers used figures from 2007 to estimate that the UK music industry produced some 540,000 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions annually, around 0.1% of the country’s total energy-related carbon dioxide emissions. Live music accounted for 74% of that.   

WORTH A LISTEN: 

• NATURE – Nature is now an official artist on Spotify. At least 50% of recording royalties from “feat. NATURE” tracks are directed to EarthPercent, funding high-impact, rights-based conservation initiatives. 
• Big Yellow Taxi – Joni Mitchell’s environmental anthem. 

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Roughly one-third of all food produced is never eaten. Beyond the financial and social costs, food waste is also a major driver of climate change. When we waste food, we waste the land, water, and energy used to produce it, and as it decomposes, it releases methane, a potent greenhouse gas.

In this episode, James and Daisy explore the causes and consequences of food waste, sharing their experiences with organisations fighting the problem. Why do we waste so much food? What are the impacts? And what solutions are there?

SOME RECOMMENDATIONS: 

• Project Drawdown: Identifies reducing food loss and waste as one of the largest climate solutions across all sectors. 
• The Felix Project: London’s largest food redistribution charity, rescuing high quality, surplus food that would otherwise go to waste and redistributing it to over 1,200 community organisations.
• FoodCycle: Reduces loneliness, food poverty and food waste by cooking nutritious meals from surplus food at volunteer-run hubs. 

OTHER ADVOCATES AND RESOURCES:

• Winnow: Provides AI-powered food waste monitors and digital scales in professional kitchens, giving detailed data analytics to help chefs and managers cut waste.  
• WEF (2022): Reports on how heatwaves and droughts have resulted in oddly shaped crops of fruit and vegetables.
• Tesco (2020): During the pandemic, egg demand rose 30%, prompting Tesco to sell white eggs for the first time since the 1980s. 
• Tesco: In 2013, Tesco became the first retailer to publicly report on food waste in its own operations.
• PVM: At least 60% of the surface of a Pink Lady® apple must be covered by a pink blush.
• Oddbox: Works with growers to rescue the “too odd” and “too many” at risk of going to waste, delivering boxes of farm-fresh fruit and veg to households. 
• Too Good To Go: The world's largest marketplace for surplus food – an app that connects consumers with surplus food from stores, cafés, and restaurants at a discount.
• Olio: A mobile app for sharing by giving away, getting, borrowing or lending things in your community for free, aiming to reduce household and food waste.
• Mimica (2018): Creator of “Bump”, a temperature-sensitive label that turns bumpy when food actually spoils. 
• Chanzi: Uses Black Solder Fly larvae to convert food waste into nutritious protein for animal feed. 

SOME FACTS: 

• UNEP (2024): In 2022, households wasted over 1 billion meals a day, while 783 million people were affected by hunger and a third of humanity faced food insecurity.
• UNEP (2024): Food waste results in the throwing away of more than US$1 trillion worth of food every year. In households alone, each person, on average, wastes more than the average mass of an adult human per year.
• IPCC (2019): During 2010–2016, global food loss and waste equalled 8–10% of total anthropogenic GHG emissions.
• Our World in Data (2020): If food waste were a country, it would be the third largest emitter of GHGs after China and the US.
• WRAP (2020): While 81% of people reported being concerned about climate change, only 37% understand how wasted food contributes to it. 
• The Independent (2012): A wrapped cucumber lasts more than three times as long as an unwrapped one. 

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Democracy literally means “rule by the people” – a system designed to safeguard our collective voice through the creation of laws and institutions. But today, many democratic systems are struggling to respond adequately respond to the wicked problems the world faces, including climate change. Young people, in particular, are losing faith. 

In this episode, James and Daisy speak about democracy. Why does it matter? Do democratic systems empower us tackle climate change – or slow us down? How might we strengthen democracy?  

SOME RECOMMENDATIONS: 

• Economist Intelligence Unit (2024) – Only 45% of the world’s population lives in a democracy, 39% under authoritarian rule, and 15% in “hybrid regimes” that combine electoral democracy with authoritarian tendencies.
• Centre for the Future of Democracy – Globally, millennials are most dissatisfied with democracy, and more so than previous generations at the same stage of life. Furthermore,  young people are most positive about democracy under populist leaders of both left and right. 
• Climate Citizens – A project run out of Lancaster University that wants to transform climate policy from something that happens to people, to something that happens with people.
• Climate Assembly UK – Over 100+ people from all walks of life and of all shades of opinion met over six weekends in Spring 2020 to discuss how the UK should meet its net zero target by 2050. They heard balanced evidence on the choices the UK faces, discussed them, and made recommendations about what the UK should do.

OTHER ADVOCATES AND RESOURCES:

• National Geographic – The word “democracy” comes from two Greek words that mean people (demos) and rule (kratos). The first known democracy was in Athens.
• The Economist (2021) – The Swiss have the most pervasive system of referendums of any country in the world. Referendums are a form of “direct democracy”, in which citizens vote directly on policy questions rather than allowing elected delegates to decide (“representative democracy”). 
• The Guardian (2025) – A majority from Europe’s Gen Z – 57% – prefer democracy to any other form of government. Rates of support varied, however, reaching just 48% in Poland and only about 51-52% in Spain and France, with Germany highest at 71%.
• Ipsos (2024) – Just 37% of 18-to-24 year olds voted at last July’s general election, down from 47% in 2019.
• GOV.UK – “Modernisation of UK democracy will see 16- and 17-year-olds able to vote in next general election.”
• CNN (2025) – Leaders of China, Russia, North Korea and Iran gather in Beijing for huge military parade in challenge to the West.
• UK Parliament – First-past-the-post is a type of electoral system. In the UK it is the system used for the election of MPs to the House of Commons and for some local government elections.
• UK Parliament – Proportional representation is an electoral system in which the distribution of seats corresponds closely with the proportion of the total votes cast for each party, e.g., if a party gained 40% of the total votes, a perfectly proportional system would allow them to gain 40% of the seats.

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The climate crisis is also a health crisis. Rising temperatures and extreme weather events are driving more heat-related deaths, spreading vector-borne diseases, and damaging mental health – impacts that fall hardest on the most vulnerable communities. 

Framing climate change through the lens of health makes it personal – and the solutions preventative. Clean energy doesn’t just cut carbon; it saves lives by cleaning the air we breathe. Greener cities reduce emissions, protect us from heatwaves, and support our wellbeing. 

In this episode, James and Daisy explore the urgent connections between climate change and health. How is our health already being affected? How can health risks drive climate action? And what solutions offer the greatest benefits for both people and planet?  

SOME RECOMMENDATIONS: 

• Outrage + Optimism (2025) – A fantastic podcast episode from Christiana Figueres and Paul Dickinson exploring why health must be central to climate communication. They are joined by Julia Gillard, Chair of the Wellcome Trust.  
• Force of Nature – Founded by former Fossil vs Future guest, Clover Hogan, this non-profit provides mental health resources and research on the rise of eco-anxiety.

OTHER ADVOCATES AND RESOURCES:

• Our World in Data (2024) – “Almost no one has “heat” or “cold” written on their death certificate, but sub-optimal temperatures lead to a large number of premature deaths.”
• EAT-Lancet Commission (2019) – Proposes a global planetary health diet that is healthy for both people and planet. 
• NY Times (2025) – The U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH) will stop funding research on the health effects of climate change.
• NY Times (2025) – With 59% of its revenue coming from federal and external sponsors, Harvard’s School of Public Health faces what has been called an “existential crisis.”
• Smart Surfaces Coalition – Promotes the adoption of green, porous, and reflective surfaces to enable cities to decrease urban heat, save money, reduce flooding risk, and strengthen urban liveability, resilience, and equity.
• City of Barcelona – Offers a publicly available map of climate shelters across the city. 
• Wellcome – Showcases climate solutions with health co-benefits, such as protecting forests in Indonesia by meeting community needs. 
• CNN (2023) – Singapore’s founding prime minister, Lee Kuan Yew, once called air conditioning “the greatest invention of the 20th century” and credited it for helping to transform the island. 
• Verv – An AI-based smart home product that allows remote control of HVAC units, switching to standby, setting temperature points, and programming set points.
• NHS & UNHSA (2025) – Partnered with the UK Met Office to integrate climate science and modelling into health impact assessments and launch an impact-based Weather-Health Alerting System.

SOME FACTS: 

• WHO (2023): 37% of heat-related deaths can be linked to human-induced climate change, and heat-related deaths among people over 65 have risen by 70% in just the last two decades.
• Imperial (2020): Changing temperature and rainfall across Africa could increase yellow fever deaths by up to 25% by 2050.
• UNEP (2023): Air pollution is the greatest environmental threat to public health globally and accounts for more than 8 million premature deaths every year.
• The Lancet (2021): A survey of 10,000 young people (aged 16-25 years) in 10 countries found that 59% were “very or extremely worried” about climate change, and 84% were at least moderately worried. 
• LSE (2024): The UK experienced five heatwave periods during summer 2022 with record-breaking temperatures of over 40°C in England.
• NHS: During summer 2022’s record breaking temperatures, England experienced an estimated 2,803 excess deaths.
• World Bank (2024): A changing climate could lead to excess health costs in low- and middle-income countries of at least US$21 trillion by 2050, equivalent to approximately 1.3% of their projected GDP.

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The International Court of Justice (ICJ) – the world’s highest court – has issued its long-awaited advisory opinion on the obligations of States in respect of climate change. The Court confirmed that States have a legal duty to protect the environment from greenhouse gas emissions, for both present and future generations. 

In this episode, Daisy asks James, an international environmental law expert, what this ruling really means – and why it matters. What exactly is an advisory opinion? How might it shape decision making? What happens next? 

SOME RECOMMENDATIONS: 

• ICJ (2025) – The Court’s Advisory Opinion on the Obligations of States in respect of Climate Change, requested by the UN General Assembly in 2023. It was asked to advise on two questions: 

(1) What are the obligations of States under international law to ensure the protection of the climate system and other parts of the environment from anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gases for States and for present and future generations? 

(2) What are the legal consequences for States under these obligations when they cause harm to the environment?

• Pacific Island Students Fighting Climate Change (PISFCC) – A youth-led organisation that initiated the push for an ICJ advisory opinion on climate change.  

OTHER ADVOCATES AND RESOURCES:

• Carbon Brief (2025) – Provides an overview of what the world court’s landmark opinion means for climate change. 
• Financial Times (2025) – Philippe Sands calls the ruling a “coming of age” moment for writing environmental protection into the international legal order.
• Outrage + Optimism (2025) – In this podcast episode, Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson react to the advisory opinion and hear from two lawyers who helped make it happen. 
• ICJ Advisory Opinion on the Legality of the Threat or Use of Nuclear Weapons (1996) – Paragraph 29 recognised a state’s obligation to respect the global environment.
• Alliance of Small Islands States (AOSIS) – An intergovernmental organization representing small island nations on climate issues.
• Stop Ecocide International – Leading the movement to make ecocide a crime.
• The Guardian (2025) – A fact check of Trump’s claims about “windmills” (wind turbines). 

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Sport inspires, builds communities, promotes healthy lifestyles, and brings joy to millions around the world. But while sport is a powerful force for good, it is both a contributor to – and a victim of – climate change. 

In this episode, James and Daisy explore the intersection of sport and climate change. How does sport contribute to climate change? In what ways is climate change already affecting sport? How can sport drive meaningful climate action?

SOME RECOMMENDATIONS: 

• Forest Green Rovers – Officially recognised in 2017 as the world’s first vegan football club and widely considered the greenest football club globally.  
• World Economic Forum (2024) – An overview of how climate change is affecting sports, including how the Paris 2024 Olympics balanced athlete performance with safety. 

OTHER ADVOCATES AND RESOURCES:

• Forbes (2025) – Examines how the Women’s Euro 2025 is balancing growth, sustainability and climate risk. Switzerland has secured second-class travel for all ticketholders on match days and added 400 extra trains to ensure reliability.
• Cricket for Climate – Founded by Australian cricket captain, Pat Cummins, to use cricket as a platform to fight climate change. 
• The Next Test – A hub for climate concerned cricket players, clubs, and fans. 
• Sport England (2025) – Chairman Chris Boardman has called for a ‘mindset shift’ on climate change and announced a new multi-million-pound fund to create the ‘world’s greenest sports industry’. 
• Arsenal (2018) – Installed a large-scale battery storage system capable of powering the Emirates Stadium for an entire match. 
• Formula E – An all-electric, single-seater motorsport series. 
• Healthy Waters Alliance – A joint initiative between World Rowing and WWF to protect freshwater ecosystems.  

SOME FACTS: 

• “Sportswashing” – The practice of an organization, a government, etc. supporting sport or organizing sports events as a way to improve its reputation.
• European Climate Pact (2024) – The 2016 Rio Olympics released 3.6 million tons of CO2, while the 2018 Russia World Cup released 2.16 million tons – equivalent to the emissions of 465,000+ cars on the road for a year. 
• BBC (2025) – Next year's World Cup in the US, Canada and Mexico is set to be "the most climate-damaging" in the tournament's history, driven by air travel and a significant increase in the number of matches. 
• European Climate Pact (2024) – Half of the former Winter Olympic host cities could be unable to sponsor winter games by 2050, due to a lack of snow and ice.
• BBC (2023) – The Alps in northwest Switzerland experienced temperatures of 20.9C over Christmas and New Year.
• New Scientist (2024) – By 2100, one in eight ski resorts worldwide could have no snow.
• Green Football – 100,000 tonnes of sportswear ends up in UK landfills annually – enough for 2,500 pieces per person in a packed Wembley stadium. 
• The Guardian (2025) – Tennis fans faced the hottest start to Wimbledon on record this year as temperatures soared to 32C.
• US Open (2018) – The US Tennis Association implemented an ‘extreme heat policy’ to allow players periodic breaks during high temperatures.
• ScienceNews (2023) – Climate change has caused more than 500 home runs since 2010. 
• World Athletics (2022) – 75% of athletes have experienced a direct negative impact from climate change on their health and performance.
• Rapid Transition Alliance (2020) – One in three British Open golf courses will be damaged by rising sea levels.
• Politico (2016) – Trump tried to build a sea wall to protect one of his golf courses from “global warming and its effects.”
• Olympics (2024) – The Olympic and Paralympic Games Paris 2024 achieved a 54.6% reduction in carbon emissions compared to previous editions. 

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Demography is the study of human populations, while demographics refer to the characteristics of a population like age, gender, ethnicity, income, education, health. These traits both influence – and are influenced by – the climate crisis. 

In this episode, James and Daisy speak with John Elkington, a world authority on corporate responsibility and sustainable capitalism. Together they explore the role demographics play in shaping our climate future. What role do older generations play in shaping – or resisting – climate action? Will immigration become the main driver of population growth? How should demographic shifts inform climate solutions?

SOME RECOMMENDATIONS: 

• Rewilding Markets – John Elkington’s blog on how we can design - and redesign - markets to meet tomorrow's needs.
• Hannah Ritchie (2025) – A data-led blog showing that while the generational divide in belief and concern about climate change is small, the differences are slightly greater when it comes to views on how to address it.
• Project Drawdown – Family planning and education could reduce carbon dioxide equivalent emissions by nearly 70 gigatons by 2050.
• Our World in Data – In 1800, the global population was 1 billion. It’s now over 8 billion. The UN projects that the global population will peak in 2086 at just over 10.4 billion people.

OTHER ADVOCATESAND RESOURCES:

• Green Swans (2020) – John Elkington’s twentieth book, a manifesto for system change designed to serve people, planet, and prosperity.
• IPAT Equation – I = P × A × T – Developed by Paul Ehrlich and John Holdren in 1972 to describe how impact (I) or environmental change is a function of population size (P), affluence (A), and technology (T).
• The Conduit (2025) – By 2050, Spain will have 8 million fewer working-age people, so it is issuing work permits to 900,000 undocumented migrants. The Bank of Spain estimated that immigration contributed a fifth of the near 3% GDP growth between 2022 and 2024.
• BBC (2019) – France spends more public money on families than any other OECD country. Its benefits include a ‘birth grant’ of around €950, followed by monthly child benefit and diverse family allowances, income tax reductions and state-subsidised day-care.
• BBC (2024) – A 2021 survey of 10,000 people aged 16 to 25 found that more than 40% of respondents in Australia, Brazil, India and the Philippines said climate change made them hesitant about having children. In France, Portugal, the UK and the US the figure was between 30% and 40%. In Nigeria it was 23%.
• Ingka Young Leaders Forum – A global youth advisory council where Ingka Group's senior decision-makers and the Young Leaders Forum members co-create actionable and transformational strategies together. Ingka Group is the largest IKEA franchisee. 
• edie (2021) – At COP26, the Body Shop explored how a youth council could ensure that younger generations had their voices and issues heard by decision makers.

SOME FACTS: 

• United Nations (2017) – The population of Nigeria is projected to surpass that of the United States by about 2050, at which point it would become the third largest country in the world.
• UN ECA (2024) – Globally, more than 1 in 4 people will be African in 2050, from 1 in 11 in 1960.
• European Commission (2023) – By 2060, Europeans over the age of 65 could account for 39% of the region’s total emissions.

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The ocean is essential to life on Earth – regulating climate, producing oxygen, providing food and livelihoods, and supporting ecosystems. But it's in trouble. Today, it faces a triple crisis: overfishing, pollution, and climate change.

In this episode, James and Daisy dive deep into the ocean’s role in climate stability. Why is ocean protection critical to solving the climate crisis? What were the key takeaways from the UN Ocean Conference? Can the ocean itself be part of the solution?

SOME RECOMMENDATIONS: 

• Ocean with David Attenborough – A stunning documentary highlighting both the beauty of the sea and the alarming ways human activity is depleting its resources.
• Ellen MacArthur Foundation – In 2005, Ellen MacArthur became the fastest person to sail solo around the world. Five years later, she founded the Ellen MacArthur Foundation to accelerate the transition to a circular economy. The Foundation warns that by 2050, oceans will contain more plastic than fish by weight.
• UN (2025) – The Nice Ocean Action Plan is a two-part framework that comprises a political declaration and over 800 voluntary commitments by governments, scientists, UN agencies, and civil society to protect the ocean. 

OTHER ADVOCATESAND RESOURCES:

• High Seas Treaty – Covers nearly two-thirds of the ocean that lies beyond national jurisdictions. Once ratified, this treaty will help close critical regulatory gaps and guide international cooperation on ocean protection. 
• Law of the Sea Convention (1982) – An international treaty that established a legal framework for all marine and maritime activities, including navigation rights, territorial waters, and deep-sea mining.
• 30 x 30 – A global campaign to protect 30% of the Earth's land and ocean by 2030. It's a key target of the Global Biodiversity Framework adopted at COP15 of the Convention on Biological Diversity in 2022.
• The Precautionary Principle – A decision-making approach that emphasizes taking preventative measures when there's a reasonable possibility of harm, even if scientific evidence is not fully conclusive.
• Dark Oxygen – At depths of 5km, where no sunlight can penetrate, oxygen appears to be produced by naturally occurring metallic “nodules” which split seawater - H2O - into hydrogen and oxygen.
• Blue Economy – Refers to the sustainable use of ocean resources for economic growth, improved livelihoods, and ocean ecosystem health. While widely used, the term lacks a universally agreed definition.
• Notpla – A biodegradable alternative to plastic made from seaweed.
• International Whaling Commission (IWC) – Established in 1946 as the global body responsible for management of whaling and conservation of whales.
• Marine Stewardship Council (MSC) – A non-profit organisation which aims to set standards for sustainable fishing.
• The White House (2025) - The Trump administration signed an executive order to accelerate deep-sea mining in both U.S. and international waters.
• Arnold Schwarzenegger (2025) – Speaking at the Austrian World Summit, he called for unified global action to combat pollution and safeguard the planet.

SOME FACTS: 

• UNESCO (2022) – The ocean covers about 71% of the Earth’s surface and holds over 97% of its water. Phytoplankton, a tiny marine plant that lives on the ocean’s surface, produces, through photosynthesis, roughly 50-80% of the oxygen we breathe.
• LSE (2023) – The ocean contributes to climate regulation by absorbing over a quarter of human-caused carbon dioxide emissions and around 90% of excess heat. Without the ocean, the average surface temperature, which is currently around 15°C, would instead be around 50°C.
• WEF (2020) – The annual gross marine product of the oceans totals $2.5 trillion per year - which would make it the eighth largest economy, in country terms.
• BBC (2025) – Bottom trawling or dredging is currently allowed in 90% of the UK's Marine Protected Areas. 
• BBC (2025) – Over 2,000 scientists have recommended to governments that all deep sea exploration be paused whilst further research is carried out; just 0.001% of the seabed has been mapped.

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Activism is often defined as the act of using vigorous campaigning to bring about political or social change. But in practice, it takes many forms and means different things to different people. For many – especially younger generations – activism isn’t just a choice; it’s a necessity, driven by frustration that conventional approaches have failed. Yet, the effectiveness of more disruptive tactics remains hotly debated.

In this episode, James and Daisy sit down with Clover Hogan – a young climate activist who has worked alongside the world’s leading authorities on sustainability, consulted within the boardrooms of Fortune 50 companies, and counselled heads of state. Together, they explore what activism really means today. What misconceptions surround activists? Whose power do you need to create real change? And should everyone be a climate activist?

SOME RECOMMENDATIONS:
Force of Nature – A youth non-profit founded in 2019 by Clover Hogan at age 19, focused on mobilising mindsets for climate action.
TEDx (2021) – Clover Hogan’s talk, “What to do when climate change feels unstoppable” has almost 2 million views. Change Starts Now: 100 Lessons from a Full-time Changemaker (2025) – A new book by Melati Wijsen, who began campaigning at age 12 to ban plastic bags in Bali.

OTHER ADVOCATES, FACTS, AND RESOURCES:
The Conduit (2025) – Melati Wijsen led a panel of young climate activists to launch her new book. 
Greenpeace (2022) – Volunteers reflect on what activism means to them.  An Inconvenient Truth (2006) – A documentary about former vice president of the United States Al Gore's campaign to educate people on global warming.
The Cove (2009) – A documentary that analyses and questions dolphin hunting in Japan.
Smart Surfaces Coalition – Committed to the adoption of smart surfaces to enable cities to decrease urban heat, save money, reduce flooding risk, and strengthen urban liveability, resilience, and equity.
Doughnut Economics (2017) – Kate Raworth describes a cutting-edge economic model fit for the 21st century and the establishment of DEAL (Doughnut Economics Action Lab).
Future Generations Commissioner for Wales – A pioneering role advocating for the rights of future generations in policymaking.
ClientEarth – A non-profit using the power of law to bring about systemic change that protects the Earth.
Youth Demand – A youth-led nonviolent civil resistance campaign demanding the UK stops arming Israel and cancels all new oil and gas granted since 2021.
Just Stop Oil (JSO) – A UK-based nonviolent civil resistance group that halted its street campaigns in 2025 after achieving its major goals.
Rights of Nature – In 2008, Ecuador became the first country to change its constitution to state that nature has the same rights as people.
Impossible Foods – A leader in plant-based meat innovation, founded by Pat Brown.
John Elkington – A world authority on corporate responsibility and sustainable capitalism, a bestselling author and serial entrepreneur. Currently, he is Chief Pollinator at Volans.
We Don’t Have Time - The largest media platform for climate action, founded by Ingmar Rentzhog.

And here is the viral meme created by Elon Musk featuring Clover – discussed in the episode.

To learn more about different perspectives on climate activism and how it’s portrayed in the media:
Carbon Brief (2024) – Shows that 2023 saw a record number of UK newspapers opposing climate action, almost exclusively from right-leaning titles.
Green European Journal (2023) – Explores how the media portray climate activists as “enemies of society”.

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