By now you've heard it over and over again, we're in strange and uncertain times.

That's why we decided to sit down and speak to Martin Cooperwaite, Co-founder and Director of Kiandra, a software powerhouse in Melbourne, Australia.

Martin's been running Kiandra since 1995 and has gone through two other downturns all while growing the company to almost 100 people strong.

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In this episode we're going to talk about his experience running Kiandra in past downturns and how those learning are impacting his and his team's decisions in today's volatile environment.