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Andy Lark has sat on 15-20 boards across ASX, Fortune 100 and startup companies, and he's blunt: most boards barely think about marketing. He explains why, what actually earns a marketer a seat at the table, and why commercial relevance beats campaign metrics.
The chat then turns to AI: how marketing lost three of the four Ps, why most AI content is making brands worse, and the exact agent workflow Andy runs daily to track sales calls, competitors and market signals.
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Andy Lark is a globally awarded CMO, entrepreneur and board director who helped build Xero into a global software company, reimagined Commonwealth Bank's brand and digital experiences, and helped build Dell's eCommerce site. He is Chair and Founder of Group Lark, leads The Accelerants, advises Nomni, co-authored the best-seller Augmented, and coaches thousands of leaders yearly on AI-first growth.
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Host: Shahin Hoda
Guest: Andy Lark
Produced by: Shahin Hoda and Alexander Hipwell
Edited by: Alexander Hipwell & Dave Somido
Music by: Breakmaster Cylinder
Podcast Co-ordinator: Jonah Igsie
APAC's B2B Growth Podcast is presented by xGrowth
James Toepfer, former Head of Campaign Strategy and Demand Marketing for Digital Media APAC at Adobe, joins the show to explain why his team there ditched the Marketing Qualified Lead for the Marketing Qualified Account. He unpacks the disconnect that forced the change, an MQL dashboard glowing green while sales sat in the red, and how an account view reshaped BDR targets and conversion.
Expect a practical breakdown of MQA and advice for lean teams without an insights function.
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James Toepfer is a senior B2B marketing leader with 20+ years driving marketing strategy, go-to-market architecture, and revenue growth across enterprise SaaS in ANZ and APAC, at organisations including Adobe, Google, Intuit, PayPal, and Optus.
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Host: Shahin Hoda
Guest: James Toepfer
Produced by: Shahin Hoda and Alexander Hipwell
Edited by: Alexander Hipwell & Dave Somido
Music by: Breakmaster Cylinder
Podcast Co-ordinator: Jonah Igsie
APAC's B2B Growth Podcast is Presented by xGrowth
Jeff Sauer has spent twenty years teaching marketers how to measure what matters. In this episode, he explains how AI has rewritten his marketing playbook, letting a lean team (often just himself and a stack of AI tools) produce work that used to take a copywriter, web designer, project manager, and paid ads specialist.
If you run a small marketing team and want a practical look at what AI can take off your plate today, this conversation is packed with real workflows, real numbers, and honest warnings about what still needs a human eye.
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Jeff Sauer is the founder of MeasureU, a measurement training platform for agency owners and consultants, and previously ran an Inc 5000 agency for a decade before selling it. He has trained more than 50,000 marketers across over 100 countries and built a YouTube channel with more than 55,000 subscribers.
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Host: Shahin Hoda
Guest: Jeff Sauer
Produced by: Shahin Hoda and Alexander Hipwell
Edited by: Alexander Hipwell & Dave Somido
Music by: Breakmaster Cylinder
Podcast Co-ordinator: Jonah Igsie
APAC's B2B Growth Podcast is Presented by xGrowth
Shaun Thresher built his own AI powered second brain, using Claude Code, to run his marketing and copywriting work end to end. In this episode, Shaun walks through how he moved from bouncing between two separate AI chat windows to a single centralised system that reads his voice, his clients' details and his workflows before it writes a word.
He explains why one well briefed agent with multiple skills beats a pile of specialised agents, how he trains AI to score new content against his best performing posts so it stops sounding repetitive, and how he uses AI to dig up prospect lists most competitors never find, including one built from a public FDA compliance database. Whether you're just starting to explore Claude or ChatGPT, or you're ready to build a proper system around your marketing operation, this conversation is full of practical, hard won lessons.
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Shaun Thresher is a copywriter turned AI systems builder who spent eight years at Agora Financial, a top US direct-response shop, before becoming CMO of online assets at a publicly-traded company and later CEO of one of its e-commerce brands. He now runs BioRevGrowth, building AI powered "second brain" systems for marketers, and since January 2025 has led marketing and technical operations for a US-based long COVID doctor.
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Host: Shahin Hoda
Guest: Shaun Thresher
Produced by: Shahin Hoda and Alexander Hipwell
Edited by: Alexander Hipwell & Dave Somido
Music by: Breakmaster Cylinder
Podcast Co-ordinator: Jonah Igsie
APAC's B2B Growth Podcast is Presented by xGrowth
AI isn't just changing individual jobs, it's changing the shape of the org chart itself. In this episode, Neal Woolrich, Director in Gartner's Human Resources Advisory practice, joins Shahin to unpack whether the traditional "pyramid" structure is giving way to a "diamond" with fewer entry-level roles, and what that means for the next generation of managers.
Neal cuts through the noise around AI-driven layoffs (much of it, he argues, is "AI washing") and shares Gartner's projection that AI becomes a net job creator by 2030. He also walks through real governance models from Lloyd's Bank, ServiceNow and Red Hat, and tackles the thorny question of what happens when AI agents start appearing on the org chart alongside humans.
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Neal Woolrich is a Director in Gartner's Human Resources Advisory practice, based in Melbourne, where he advises organisations on culture, employee experience and organisational design. He spent 13 years as a broadcast journalist with the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) before moving into HR consulting.
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Host: Shahin Hoda
Guest: Neal Woolrich
Produced by: Shahin Hoda and Alexander Hipwell
Edited by: Alexander Hipwell & Dave Somido
Music by: Breakmaster Cylinder
Podcast Co-ordinator: Jonah Igsie
APAC's B2B Growth Podcast is presented by xGrowth
What happens when a marketing leader goes all in on AI, not just for himself, but for his entire team? Ronan Bray, Head of Marketing & Growth at Cloud Assess, joins the podcast to unpack exactly that. From a two week Christmas break spent teaching himself to build apps, to rolling out a fully connected go to market platform that pulls live data from HubSpot, Google Search Console, and Notion, Ronan shares the real story of AI adoption inside a B2B marketing team, mess, momentum, and all.
This episode is a practical playbook for any marketing leader wondering how to move a team from AI curiosity to AI capability. Ronan gets specific about what worked (starting small with personal projects), what didn't (announcing a team wide AI mandate with almost no context), and where he still won't let AI near the steering wheel, like paid ad spend and image or video creation.
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Ronan Bray is Head of Marketing & Growth at Cloud Assess, where he leads a global marketing team driving pipeline with over 85 percent of ARR from inbound. Over 16 years he has scaled B2B marketing for ASX listed companies and his own startups (three reaching acquisition or buyout), building on experience at HubSpot and Drift.
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Host: Shahin Hoda
Guest: Ronan Bray
Produced by: Shahin Hoda and Alexander Hipwell
Edited by: Alexander Hipwell & Dave Somido
Music by: Breakmaster Cylinder
Podcast Co-ordinator: Jonah Igsie
APAC's B2B Growth Podcast is Presented by xGrowth
Most B2B marketers treat partners like a sales channel. Jordana Sunderland says that's the core mistake. In this episode, Jordana, Director of Integrated Marketing for the Pacific Zone at Schneider Electric, joins Shahin to unpack what genuine partner marketing looks like and why so many companies get it fundamentally wrong.
From her early career marketing pharmaceuticals to her current work navigating the energy transition, Jordana draws on cross-industry experience to reveal how insights, enablement, and real partnership beat price conversations every time. If your go-to-market relies on a channel or distribution network, this episode is essential listening.
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Jordana Sunderland is Director of Integrated Marketing, Pacific Zone at Schneider Electric, a global leader in energy technology. With over two decades of B2B marketing experience across the pharmaceutical and energy sectors, Jordana has built a reputation for turning partner relationships into genuine growth engines through enablement, insight, and advisory-led sales.
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Host: Shahin Hoda
Guest: Jordana Sunderland
Produced by: Shahin Hoda and Alexander Hipwell
Edited by: Alexander Hipwell & Dave Somido
Music by: Breakmaster Cylinder
Podcast Co-ordinator: Jonah Igsie
APAC's B2B Growth Podcast is Presented by xGrowth
The CMO role has never been harder. Trust from leadership sits at around 30%, average tenure has dropped to 16–18 months, and budgets keep getting cut while pressure mounts to "bolt on AI" without any strategy in place. But is this a people problem, or a playbook problem?
Andrei Zinkevich, co-founder of Fullfunnel.io, argues it is firmly the latter. In this episode, he and host Shahin Hoda tear apart the demand waterfall model that has been quietly undermining B2B marketing functions for years, and map out a practical path to cross-functional go-to-market that actually drives revenue. Andrei also shares his change management playbook, his approach to building CFO buy-in, and why deploying AI into a broken process just accelerates the wrong outcomes.
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Andrei Zinkevich is co-founder of Fullfunnel.io, a B2B marketing consultancy helping tech and service companies with high-value deals and long sales cycles build full-funnel, account-based go-to-market programs. He is co-author of the book Full-Funnel B2B Marketing alongside co-founder Vladimir Blagojevic, a systematic guide to fixing broken GTM playbooks and building an enterprise pipeline without organisational revolution.
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Host: Shahin Hoda
Guest: Andrei Zinkevich
Produced by: Shahin Hoda and Alexander Hipwell
Edited by: Alexander Hipwell and Dave Somido
Music by: Breakmaster Cylinder
APAC's B2B Growth Podcast is Presented by xGrowth
What happens to all those leads marketing works so hard to generate? More often than not, they go cold. According to Nishi Seth, Industry & Solutions Marketing Lead for Google Cloud APAC, this isn't a niche problem. It's one of the most persistent challenges across B2B, regardless of company size or sophistication.
In this episode, Shahin sits down with Nishi to unpack the real reasons leads stall between marketing and sales, from qualification gaps to missing context, and what it actually takes to fix them. Nishi shares battle-tested lessons from scaling Google Cloud's marketing-to-sales motion across APAC, including how AI is transforming BDR productivity right now.
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Nishi Seth is the Industry & Solutions Marketing Lead for Google Cloud APAC at Google, with over 20 years of experience across cloud technology, financial services, and travel. She has held senior marketing roles at American Express and British Airways, and is a recognised B2B marketing leader across the Asia-Pacific region.
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Host: Shahin Hoda
Guest: Nishi Seth
Produced by: Shahin Hoda and Alexander Hipwell
Edited by: Alexander Hipwell
Music by: Breakmaster Cylinder
APAC's B2B Growth Podcast is Presented by xGrowth
Too many B2B marketing teams are still talking leads when they should be talking revenue. In this episode, Shahin sits down with David Heyworth, GTM advisor and former Head of Marketing at Vocus, to unpack what it really takes to drive commercial outcomes in the second half of 2025. From ditching MQL vanity metrics to building genuine alignment with sales, finance, and product, David brings hard-won lessons from complex B2B environments in Australia.
This is a conversation packed with practical frameworks and honest war stories, including one of the most creative ABM activations you'll hear about: a commissioned coin ceremony at the Australian War Memorial, hosted by former Governor-General Sir Peter Cosgrove, that cemented a 20-year defence sector partnership without a single sales pitch.
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David Heyworth is a GTM advisor and CMO with deep experience leading marketing in complex B2B environments across Australia, including his tenure as Head of Marketing at Vocus, one of Australia's leading fibre and network solutions providers. He specialises in go-to-market strategy, sales and marketing alignment, and account-based selling for enterprise and government markets.
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Host: Shahin Hoda
Guest: David Heyworth
Produced by: Shahin Hoda and Alexander Hipwell
Edited by: Alexander Hipwell
Music by: Breakmaster Cylinder
APAC's B2B Growth Podcast is Presented by xGrowth
From the publisher's feed
APAC's B2B Growth Podcast (formerly Growth Colony) is a bi-weekly interview show unpacking trends, busting myths and delivering insights B2B marketing and sales leaders across Asia-Pacific can put to work today.
Each episode, host Shahin Hoda sits down with a marketing leader, sales leader, founder or operator who has a real point of view, not a generic take.
Guests bring specific stories from inside their own companies: what worked, what failed and what they'd do differently.
We cover what's actually driving B2B growth in the region: account-based marketing built for APAC rather than adapted from a US or UK playbook, sales and marketing alignment, and founder and operator commentary from people doing the work, not just talking about it.
If you're a B2B marketing or sales leader in Australia, New Zealand, Singapore or anywhere else in Asia-Pacific trying to build pipeline from strategic accounts, this show is for you.
Hosted by Shahin Hoda, founder of xGrowth. xGrowth is an account-based marketing and go-to-market agency helping global B2B technology companies improve customer acquisition, build qualified pipeline and win strategic accounts across APAC.
The agency works with regional sales and marketing teams to identify priority accounts, develop coordinated campaigns and turn commercial opportunities into measurable growth.
With specialist regional expertise and hands-on execution support, xGrowth gives lean marketing teams the strategy and capacity needed to enter new markets, reach enterprise buyers and grow valuable customer relationships.
New episodes every two weeks. Subscribe so you don't miss one, and sign up for the xG Weekly newsletter for more insights on B2B growth across APAC.

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