When we started the Frank and Stan Chat in May 2020 we never envisaged anything more than two ol' educationalists chatting about issues that caught our eyes recently. Now, after 136 editions we have to pinch ourselves when we consider how lucky we have been to have so many brilliant guests joining our chats. This week is no exception and we were blown away with the issues considered by Mel Ainscow. He explains how his focus on equity has led to him contributing to education research that has influenced strategies and policies across the Globe. He explains how impressed he has been with the work undertaken over many years in Portugal and how he is supporting new thinking in Dundee. Stan considers how the White Paper published with great fanfare last year has been decimated. Mel stresses the need for stronger local collaboration to improve education before Frank considers the research being undertaken into indicators of poverty and why data alone is simply not good enough. It is a truly amazing chat and we urge school leaders to share with staff the sections where Mel explains why schools need to be for all pupils and how competition has been corrosive for too many. Enjoy, cos we certainly did!

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