Frank Rossi connects with fellow Cornell University alum Gil Hanse to discuss his approach to golf course design and the importance of the three-legged stool to effective golf architecture.

Gil discusses the balance of maintenance and playability and how short grass provides hope for the average golfer and a challenging dilemma for the low handicap.

They even get to discuss the music playing in the headphones of the world’s most popular architect! He’s a Dead Head!

New Theme music by Tucker Rossi.

Big thanx for many years of using Grazing in the Grass written by Philemon Hou and performed by South African trumpeteer Hugh Masakela.

As the story goes, “When Masekela was recording an album in 1968, he needed one more song to fill it out. The record company suggested a tune called "Mr. Bull #5" that Masekela had heard on the radio while growing up in Africa.

Philemon Hou, an actor and singer who was visiting the studio that day, came up with a new melody for the song which became the instrumental hit Grazing in the Grass.” It was No. 1 on the Billboard pop chart 53 years ago.