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From 3,000 to 18,000 applications — how the State rebuilt a system under pressure


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Two years and nine months.


That’s how long people were waiting in the system — until everything had to change.


What happens when a public service built for 3,000 applications a year suddenly faces over 18,000?


That was the reality facing Ireland’s International Protection Office — a system under intense pressure, with growing backlogs, long delays, and real human consequences.


In this episode of Transform Gov, Maeve Kneafsey speaks to Emer Mullins and Daniel Drennan, the team behind a transformation programme that didn’t just improve a service — it fundamentally redesigned it.


From paper files that could stretch the length of a room…to fully digital workflows, online interviews, and real-time data dashboards…

this is a story of what it actually takes to deliver change inside the public service — at scale, under pressure, and in real time.


You’ll hear:

  • What the system looked like before — and why it wasn’t sustainable
  • How they rebuilt processes before introducing technology
  • What changed for staff — and for applicants
  • How decisions increased dramatically without simply adding more people
  • What other public sector teams can learn from this

This is not theory.

This is real delivery.


🎧 Listen now — and if it resonates, share it with someone working on transformation.


Chapters

00:00 — Welcome to Transform Gov

01:20 — What the International Protection Office actually does

02:30 — The surge: from 3,000 to 18,000 applications

04:44 — The “before”: paper, delays and pressure

06:44 — Waiting times: up to 2 years and 9 months

08:21 — The complexity: multiple agencies involved

10:07 — The tipping point — why change was unavoidable

11:25 — Where the transformation started

13:45 — Scaling up: staff, infrastructure and process

15:27 — From paper to digital — the reality on the ground

20:40 — Digitising 35,000+ case files

22:20 — Online interviews — what changed

25:49 — Time saved, faster decisions, real outcomes

27:30 — Preparing for new EU migration rules

29:39 — A fully digital applicant journey

32:38 — Data, dashboards and decision-making

34:59 — Lessons for other public sector teams

39:21 — What comes next

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Transform Gov - the digital government podcastBy Maeve Kneafsey