Two Types of People with Pat Sitkins

From "Bubble Yum Hustler" to Elite CEO

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In this Two Types of People episode Tim Leman, CEO of Gibson, shares insights on business growth, leadership challenges, mentorship, and the importance of perseverance. Discover practical advice and personal stories that highlight the journey of building a successful company and the value of community support.

This isn’t a conversation about surface-level growth or leadership tactics. It’s about what the role actually demands once you’re in the seat.

Tim talks about the weight that comes with leading a company where hundreds of families are counting on your decisions. Not the highlight reel version of being a CEO… the part that doesn’t get posted. The responsibility, the isolation at times, and the reality that no one else fully feels that pressure the way you do.

When asked the core question of the show, his answer came from that lived experience:

Those who know they can’t do it alone… and those who make sure nobody else has to.

It’s a perspective shaped by mentorship, by people who stepped in at critical moments, and by the responsibility to do the same for others. From there, the conversation shifts to something even more foundational - Agency.

Tim’s definition of determination is simple: take ownership. Nobody is coming to save you. Nobody is thinking about your situation the way you are. The people who move forward are the ones who decide to own it and stay in the game long enough for things to break their way.

He also reinforces something that shows up across high performers but rarely gets said this clearly: Outlasting is a strategy. Not flashy. Not easy to sell. But real.

The people who win aren’t always the most talented. They’re the ones who don’t leave.

You’ll also hear:

  • Why mentorship changed the trajectory of his career and how to actually be a good mentee
  • The reality behind Gibson’s growth and expansion into new markets
  • The emotional cost of leadership and how to manage it over time
  • Why communication and human connection are becoming more valuable, not less

    • This one is grounded. No noise. Just how it actually works once you are at the helm.

    Key Topics

    • Business expansion strategies
    • Leadership challenges and loneliness
    • Mentorship and community support
    • Persistence and long-term success

      • Takeaways

      • Lonely moments are part of leadership but can be mitigated through peer groups.
      • Success is a long-term journey, often taking decades to realize.
      • Mentorship is crucial; helping others can be a powerful way to give back.
      • Persistence and outlasting competitors are key to entrepreneurial success.

        • Chapters

        00:00 Introduction to Tim Leman and Gibson's Growth

        06:54 The Challenges of Being a CEO

        14:56 Two Types of People: Mentorship and Support

        21:34 Defining Determination and Personal Agency

        23:34 Musical Inspirations and Closing Thoughts

        About the Show

        Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

        The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available for pre-order at all major retailers. 


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