Alex Boylan has spent most of his life saying “yes” before he felt fully ready.

From moving to Brazil alone at 15 years old… to winning The Amazing Race 2… to building a career producing travel television and creating The College Tour, Alex has consistently leaned into discomfort, curiosity, and opportunity.

But this conversation goes way beyond television.

Alex and Pat Sitkins discuss:

One of the most thoughtful, grounded, personal, and hopeful episodes of Two Types of People so far.

CHAPTERS

QUOTABLE MOMENTS

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available for pre-order at all major retailers. 

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Austin Tovey isn’t asking for permission to live his life, and this episode has one overarching theme - taking ownership.

Professional foilboarder, innovator, and waterman Austin Tovey joins Pat Sitkins to talk about the evolution of foiling, the freedom found in the ocean, and the mindset required to keep progressing when most people stop.

From his early days with now fellow pro rider Noah Flegel, designing his own pro model board with Armstrong Foils to interactions with legends like Jerry Lopez and Mickey Munoz, Austin shares how discomfort, ownership, and obsession have shaped both his sport and his life.

This episode dives into accountability, persistence, mental resilience, and the difference between people who embrace hard things… and people who spend their lives avoiding them.

Streaming now on all platforms.

Main Themes

Quotable Moments

“There are no bad waves. Only poor equipment and a lousy attitude.”

“Once it clicks and you get that bug… you’re locked in.”

“You must persevere and keep pushing until you accomplish it.”

“All my days are better now because of foil.”

“Some people don’t want to look bad at something new.”

Chapters

00:00 — The Pro Model Board & Building Something to Last

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available for pre-order at all major retailers. 

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Angela Birch, owner of Focus Fitness doesn’t see the world the same way most people do.

When asked the core question, her answer was simple:

Players and spectators.

Some people step into the arena. They take risks, make decisions without guarantees, and choose a path that often feels harder than it needs to be. Others build a life around stability, security, and predictability. Neither is wrong, but they lead to very different experiences.

After 20 years in corporate leadership, she walked away from stability to pursue entrepreneurship, opening and rebuilding fitness facilities from the ground up. It hasn’t been easy. Sleepless nights, constant pressure, and the weight of decisions that don’t always make sense to anyone else. But as she explains, for some people, the “safe” path isn’t even visible. That mindset shows up in everything she does.

From competitive bodybuilding to building businesses, to writing her book Strong Enough to Stand Alone, Angela operates with a level of persistence that borders on relentless. Her definition of determination is straightforward: keep going. Even when it’s hard. Especially when it’s hard.

In this conversation, we get into:

This one isn’t about a blueprint.

It’s about recognizing which role you’re playing… and deciding if that’s actually what you want.

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available for pre-order at all major retailers. 

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In this Two Types of People episode Tim Leman, CEO of Gibson, shares insights on business growth, leadership challenges, mentorship, and the importance of perseverance. Discover practical advice and personal stories that highlight the journey of building a successful company and the value of community support.

This isn’t a conversation about surface-level growth or leadership tactics. It’s about what the role actually demands once you’re in the seat.

Tim talks about the weight that comes with leading a company where hundreds of families are counting on your decisions. Not the highlight reel version of being a CEO… the part that doesn’t get posted. The responsibility, the isolation at times, and the reality that no one else fully feels that pressure the way you do.

When asked the core question of the show, his answer came from that lived experience:

Those who know they can’t do it alone… and those who make sure nobody else has to.

It’s a perspective shaped by mentorship, by people who stepped in at critical moments, and by the responsibility to do the same for others. From there, the conversation shifts to something even more foundational - Agency.

Tim’s definition of determination is simple: take ownership. Nobody is coming to save you. Nobody is thinking about your situation the way you are. The people who move forward are the ones who decide to own it and stay in the game long enough for things to break their way.

He also reinforces something that shows up across high performers but rarely gets said this clearly: Outlasting is a strategy. Not flashy. Not easy to sell. But real.

The people who win aren’t always the most talented. They’re the ones who don’t leave.

You’ll also hear:

This one is grounded. No noise. Just how it actually works once you are at the helm.

Key Topics

Takeaways

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Tim Leman and Gibson's Growth

06:54 The Challenges of Being a CEO

14:56 Two Types of People: Mentorship and Support

21:34 Defining Determination and Personal Agency

23:34 Musical Inspirations and Closing Thoughts

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available for pre-order at all major retailers. 

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Guffy Wright, National Sales Leader at The Mahoney Group, breaks down what actually drives performance inside an employee-owned insurance agency. Not theory… execution.

At the center of this bonus episode is his answer to Two Types of People:

Those who understand value… and those who don’t.

This featurette ties directly into the Larry G. Linne episode and brings it into the real world. We get into value as something that’s constantly moving. How you create it, how you communicate it, and why most people never fully understand it.

From ESOP structure to culture plays like their own in-house Agency Pro Shop, to what’s changing in the industry with AI, this is a look at what’s actually working right now.

Topics Covered

Key Lines

“Value is constantly in motion.”

*Production note: this was a virtual recording that ran into issues. We worked our magic best we could on this episode, so apologies for some audio issues. However, this conversation was too good not to publish. Sales Professionals, Sales Leaders, and Business Owners will get a ton of VALUE from this episode. 

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available for pre-order at all major retailers. 

Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Larry G. Linne’s latest work, Keeping It Light, is built around the leadership “isms” of David Pattison… simple, memorable principles that help leaders think clearly, make better decisions, and move faster when things get complex.

Larry’s role was taking those ideas and bringing them to life. Through real-world experience, stories, and application, he helps translate Pattison’s isms into something leaders can actually use day to day.

That’s been the theme across his entire career.

From Bestsellers Make the Noise Go Away and Brand Aid, to contributing to Two Types of People, Larry has built a body of work focused on one thing… making complex ideas simple and executable.

In this conversation, host Pat Sitkins goes deeper into that journey. The grind of writing his first book, the lessons learned along the way, and why most people never follow through on the ideas they say matter to them.

We also get into what it really takes to write, publish, and most importantly… execute.

If you’re building, leading, or trying to simplify what feels overwhelming, this one will hit.

Topics Covered

Key Line

“Partial success is a sedative.”

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available for pre-order at all major retailers. 

Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Starters vs. Closers | Consistency, Curiosity, and Doing the Work

Andy Neary joins host Pat Sitkins to break down a simple but real distinction: Starters vs. Closers. Not just in baseball… in business, sales, and life.

Starters have ideas. Energy. Intent.

In this conversation, we get into routine, role transitions, and why authentic effort always beats talk. Because at a certain level, you can’t fake it. The gap shows.

If the Larry G. Linne episode hit for you, then this is a natural follow.

Topics Covered

Key Line

“You can’t fake the 10% above you.” - Andy

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available for pre-order at all major retailers. 

Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Larry G. Linne is a Former NFL Player and Elite Business Consultant but to Pat Sitkins he is a long-time friend, business partner, advisor, and fishing buddy. They discuss Larry's journey through football, the importance of discipline and sacrifice, and his concept of 'Two Types of People'—those who decide and those who act. Larry shares personal stories, insights on motivation, and introduces his new book, Keeping It Light, which focuses on leadership and decision-making.

Takeaways

Quotable

"Discipline leads to more opportunities."

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Larry G. Linne

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available for pre-order at all major retailers. 

Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

There are two types of people: Givers and Takers.

At least according to Dr. Anne Prisco. As President of Holy Family University, she sees it every day. The people who step up, take ownership, and contribute to something bigger than themselves… and those who approach everything through the lens of what they get in return.

But for Dr. Prisco, this isn’t just a mindset. It’s built into the foundation of Holy Family.

The university’s motto, Teneor Votis — “I am bound by my responsibilities” — isn’t about pressure. It’s about perspective. A recognition that we exist within a larger community, and that success isn’t individual… it’s shared.

In this conversation with host Pat Sitkins, Dr. Prisco breaks down how that philosophy shows up in leadership, education, and culture, and why preparing students to contribute, not just consume, is at the center of everything they do.

She also shares her perspective on higher education today, why it still matters, and how institutions like Holy Family are evolving to meet the real needs of students and the communities they serve.

Takeaways

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Holy Family University

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available for pre-order at all major retailers. 

Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Karen Fox sees leadership from a unique vantage point.

As Head of Talent Attraction & Engagement at Berkadia, the largest non-bank commercial real estate lender in the United States, Karen spends her days helping organizations build teams that actually work. Berkadia itself is a joint venture between Berkshire Hathaway and Jefferies, operating at the center of the multifamily commercial real estate world.

So when asked the question at the heart of Two Types of People, Karen didn’t hesitate.

There are two types of people: architects and builders.

Architects see the vision. They shape ideas, influence direction, and design what could be.

Builders make the vision real. They execute, move projects forward, and turn plans into outcomes.

Great teams need both.

In this Featurette, Karen shares how these two types show up in leadership, hiring, and culture. She also reflects on the determination and grit required to succeed in demanding industries and why recognizing different strengths inside a team can make the difference between momentum and stagnation.

Karen has also worked closely with John Biasiello for years, bringing an added layer of insight into how strong leadership partnerships actually function.

Because the question isn’t which type is better.

It’s knowing which one you are and building teams that bring both to the table.

About the Show

Two Types of People is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by Bestselling Author, Agency CEO, and Executive Producer Pat Sitkins - exploring the patterns, decisions, and mindsets that shape high performers across business, sports, and culture.

The show features conversations with contributors to the book Two Types of People: Insights from Top Performers to Help You Make Decisions, Act, and Grow and other leaders whose experiences bring the framework to life. The book is currently available for pre-order at all major retailers. 

Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.