What happens when your success stops feeling like success? When the title, the recognition, the open doors... no longer match what your inner knowing is whispering (or screaming)?

In this episode, I talk with Matthew Ellsworth, Executive Director of the Association of Washington Public Hospital Districts. He’s worn a lot of hats — political advisor, campaign strategist, nonprofit board member, credit union leader — and yet, the thread that runs through it all is curiosity.

We talk about what it really means to lead — especially from the second seat — and how hard it can be to pivot when you’ve invested years (or decades) in an identity that no longer fits.

We also get into:
 💡 How to lead through intuition (not ego)
 ⚡ Why energy management is more powerful than time management
 🌱 What stress, joy, and service have in common
 🚪 And the myth of “loyalty” in the workplace

If you’ve ever been afraid to take the leap, question the path you’re on, or step into a new version of yourself — this one’s for you.

🧠✨ Because leadership isn’t just about what you do. It’s about who you are when no one’s watching.

🔗 Resources & Links
🔹 Learn more about Matthew: www.linkedin.com/in/matthewgellsworth

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