Ben Perreau has helped CEOs of some of the world's most influential companies define their next act. But instead of staying in the boardroom, he turned his attention to the managers on the front lines, the people who quietly make or break culture every day. In this episode, Ben joins Ashok to talk about why so many managers feel underprepared, how culture actually changes, and how his latest venture, Parafoil, is using psycholinguistics and AI to build better leaders in real time.

From navigating billion dollar strategy shifts to coaching individual managers through difficult feedback conversations, Ben shares a wide ranging perspective on leadership, self-awareness, and the small but powerful rituals that shape great teams. Whether you're a CEO, a first-time manager, or considering your next step, this conversation will change how you think about leadership and how to measure it.

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Inside the episode...

Why most culture change doesn't start at the top, it starts with managers

The massive training gap: 82% of managers feel underprepared

The key differences between leadership, management, coaching, and mentorship

How Parafoil uses psycholinguistics to help managers understand themselves and their teams

What makes great CEOs different (hint: it's not just decision-making)

Why "I," "you," and "we" in conversation say more than you think

Concrete ways to measure leadership effectiveness and improve it

The ethics of building AI for human development

How organizations can avoid stagnation by rethinking their management layer

Why the Beatles are a model for creative, high-performing teams

Mentioned in this episode:

Parafoil (https://parafoil.co)

SY Partners

Netflix personalization algorithms

James Pennebaker and psycholinguistics

Remarkable Paper Tablet

Stanford d.school

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Google X

Howard Schultz's investment firm

MITI framework (Motivational Interviewing) (referenced implicitly in style)

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