From Foster Care to Family Law - A Child Welfare Focus

What happens when building trust matters more than correcting a child’s behavior in the moment?

In this episode, Susan Chesnutt speaks with Gaile Osborne about trust-based relationships, trauma-informed parenting, and intentional responses that help children feel safe and connected. Gaile shares how her experiences as a foster and adoptive parent led her to pursue Trust-Based Relational Intervention and rethink how she responds to difficult behaviors.

The conversation also explores caregiver self-awareness, giving children appropriate control, asking for help, and recognizing when a placement may not be the right fit.

In this episode, Susan and Gaile Osborne discuss: 

• Building trust through everyday interactions

• Understanding trauma and behavior

• Trust-Based Relational Intervention and caregiver training

• Giving children appropriate control and choices

• Support, respite, and finding the right placement

Key Takeaways:

• [0:02:00] Put the Relationship First - When a child is dealing with stress or difficult behavior, preserving trust and being a safe place can matter more than correcting the behavior in that moment.

• [0:07:15] Small Moments Can Build Big Trust - Spending even five intentional minutes giving a child focused attention can strengthen a relationship over time and create a foundation for greater connection.

• [0:16:42] Respond To Feelings Without Taking Them Personally - Staying present, validating a child's frustration, and looking at what happened to the child can help caregivers respond without turning difficult behavior into a personal conflict.

• [0:38:30] Let Children Earn Appropriate Control - Giving children choices and gradually increasing their independence as they demonstrate responsibility can build trust while helping them develop confidence in making decisions.

• [0:49:51] Asking For Help Can Protect The Relationship - Caregivers can benefit from coaches, respite, honest support, and other resources that help them recognize when they need a break or when a placement may not be the right fit for a child.

“You can demand respect all day long, but until you earn it, you're not going to get it.”

- Gaile Osborne

About Gaile Osborne: Gaile Osborne is a foster and adoptive parent, special education teacher, advocate, and executive director of the Foster Family Alliance of North Carolina. After becoming a foster parent in 2008 and adopting two children with significant trauma histories, she advocated for better training and support for foster families. She now leads efforts to support families and advance policy change, including North Carolina’s Foster Parents Bill of Rights.

This episode is sponsored by Guardians for New Futures (GFNF4Kids), which supports the unfunded needs of abused children through community education and advocacy. Learn more or get involved at www.GFNF4kids.org.

Connect with Gaile Osborne:

Website: https://www.ffa-nc.org/our-stories/Gaile-osborne

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/Gaile-osborne-719b8935

Connect with Susan: 

Website: https://www.thechesnuttlawfirm.com/

Podcast: https://www.thechesnuttlawfirm.com/podcasts/

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Avvo: https://www.avvo.com/attorneys/32960-fl-susan-chesnutt-3330241.html

Connect with GFNF4Kids:

Website: www.gfnf4kids.org 

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/guardiansfornewfutures/ 

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gfnf4kids/ 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/gfnf4kids 

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu1YDp4Qn1WxpEs1s1Oqktw 

What if the way you respond to conflict in your relationships is connected to what you learned about relationships as a child?

In this episode, Susan Chesnutt sits down with Tamara Harris, a licensed clinical social worker and Florida Supreme Court mediator, to explore how childhood experiences, trauma, emotional regulation, and unresolved patterns can shape adult relationships and co-parenting. 

You will hear how recognizing those patterns can help you respond differently, communicate more effectively, and keep children from being caught in the middle of family conflict.

In this episode, Susan and Tamara Harris discuss: 

• Childhood experiences and adult relationships

• Trauma, attachment, and emotional responses

• Therapy and breaking unhealthy patterns

• Co-parenting and parallel parenting

• Parenting coordination and family conflict

Key Takeaways:

• [0:04:45] Children Learn Relationships By Watching Them - Creating a home with safety, love, healthy boundaries, and positive relationships can shape how children understand relationships as adults.

• [0:09:45] Look Back Before You Move Forward - Examining childhood experiences and the environment someone grew up in can reveal patterns that continue shaping relationships and behavior.

• [0:22:50] Breaking Patterns Starts With Recognizing Them - Identify unhealthy family cycles, recognize overlooked red flags, and seek support to understand which patterns you do not want to carry forward.

• [0:38:25] Structure Can Make Co-Parenting Easier - Consistent rules, emotional regulation before communication, and shared schedules can give children stability while reducing conflict between parents.

• [0:45:37] Parenting Coordination Keeps Children at the Center - Creating a roadmap for schedules, activities, holidays, and the child’s needs can help parents make decisions based on changing family circumstances rather than ongoing conflict.

“Our story begins in childhood. And so, it shapes like where we go into our adult relationships.”

- Tamara Harris

About Tamara Harris: Tamara Harris, LCSW, LICSW, QS, specializes in high-conflict divorce, parenting coordination, mediation, and rebuilding after relationship trauma. With more than 20 years of experience in child welfare and behavioral health leadership, she brings extensive clinical and systems experience to helping families manage conflict, repair communication, and protect children through family transitions. She is a Florida Supreme Court certified mediator, Collaborative Law certified, and an Internal Family Systems-trained practitioner licensed in Florida, Massachusetts, and Utah. Tamara also holds an MSW from the University of Central Florida and is pursuing a PsyD in Behavioral Health Leadership at Walden University.

This episode is sponsored by Guardians for New Futures (GFNF4Kids), an organization dedicated to supporting the unfunded needs of abused children while increasing community awareness and education to further protect kids. To donate, get involved, or learn more, visit www.GFNF4kids.org.

Connect with Tamara Harris:

Website: https://envizionstrategicconsulting.org/

Email: [email protected]

Phone: (321) 344-4901

Psychology Today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/tamara-d-harris-palm-bay-fl/921467

Connect with Susan: 

Website: https://www.thechesnuttlawfirm.com/

Podcast: https://www.thechesnuttlawfirm.com/podcasts/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/susan-chesnutt-27077bb9/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thechesnuttlawfirm/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuBwfp_IVpeX-YHKpxZ5L0g

Avvo: https://www.avvo.com/attorneys/32960-fl-susan-chesnutt-3330241.html

Connect with GFNF4Kids:

Website: www.gfnf4kids.org 

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/guardiansfornewfutures/ 

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gfnf4kids/ 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/gfnf4kids 

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu1YDp4Qn1WxpEs1s1Oqktw 

What if childhood trauma changes the body as much as it changes the mind?

In this episode, Susan Chesnutt sits down with Dr. Frank Putnam to explore decades of groundbreaking research on the lifelong effects of child abuse, revealing how early trauma can alter biological development, mental health, and future relationships.

You will hear why prevention matters as much as intervention, how supportive relationships can change a child’s trajectory, and what professionals and communities often misunderstand about trauma. This conversation offers a deeper understanding of child welfare and challenges you to rethink how healing begins.

In this episode, Susan and Dr. Frank Putnam discuss: 

• The biological effects of childhood trauma

• Longitudinal research on child abuse and development

• Prevention and intervention in child welfare

• The role of supportive relationships in healing

• Foster care and trauma-informed approaches

Key Takeaways:

• [0:00:00] Childhood Trauma Leaves Lifelong Biological Scars - Early childhood trauma affects more than emotional well-being by accelerating biological aging, increasing the risk of chronic disease and earlier mortality.

• [0:27:39] One Trusted Adult Can Change Everything - Children who develop strong relationships with supportive adults such as teachers, coaches, mentors, or relatives are more likely to experience healthier long-term outcomes despite early adversity.

• [0:48:23] Healing Requires More Than Removing Harm - Children who have experienced abuse need practical guidance to recognize unsafe situations, build healthy coping skills, and reduce the risk of future revictimization.

• [1:11:57] Feeling Safe Is Just as Important as Being Safe - Recovery begins when children not only escape danger but also regain a genuine sense of security after prolonged trauma.

• [1:42:17] Behavior Often Reflects What Trauma Has Changed - Many long-term behavioral and health challenges stem from developmental changes caused by chronic childhood trauma rather than willful misconduct.

“If we can break these cycles, what we see is that we're not just stopping a case, we're stopping generations.” (Referring to generations of trauma and abuse.) 

- Dr. Frank Putnam

About Dr. Frank Putnam: Dr. Putnam is a child and adolescent psychiatrist and an authority on the lifetime effects of childhood maltreatment. He is co-founder, with the late Dr. Penelope Trickett, of the Female Growth and Development Study (FGDS), an ongoing 35+ year, multigenerational study of the enduring biopsychosocial effects of childhood sexual abuse on female development. His latest book, Old Before Their Time (2025), offers the first full account of the FGDS, detailing its stunning biomedical findings in a narrative accessible to both professionals and the general public.

This episode is sponsored by Guardians for New Futures (GFNF4Kids), an organization dedicated to supporting the unfunded needs of abused children while increasing community awareness and education to further protect kids. To donate, get involved, or learn more, visit www.GFNF4kids.org.

Connect with Dr. Frank Putnam:

Website: https://frankputnam.com/

Book: Old Before Their Time: https://www.amazon.com/Old-Before-Their-Time-Investigating/dp/1032974826

Connect with Susan: 

Website: https://www.thechesnuttlawfirm.com/

Podcast: https://www.thechesnuttlawfirm.com/podcasts/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/susan-chesnutt-27077bb9/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thechesnuttlawfirm/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuBwfp_IVpeX-YHKpxZ5L0g

Avvo: https://www.avvo.com/attorneys/32960-fl-susan-chesnutt-3330241.html

Connect with GFNF4Kids:

Website: www.gfnf4kids.org

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/guardiansfornewfutures/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gfnf4kids/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/gfnf4kids

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu1YDp4Qn1WxpEs1s1Oqktw 

What if handling your own divorce is possible, but nobody tells you how overwhelming the process can actually be?

In this episode, Susan Chesnutt sits down with Casey Zidek to unpack the realities of navigating divorce pro se, from confusing court procedures and rejected filings to parenting plans, financial affidavits, and final hearings.

You will hear what it feels like to manage the process without full legal representation, why attention to detail matters at every step, and how limited legal guidance can still provide confidence and clarity. This conversation offers an honest look at self-representation and the emotional and practical challenges many families face inside the family court system.

In this episode, Susan and Casey Zidek discuss: 

• Navigating the pro se divorce process in family court

• Challenges of completing legal forms and court filings

• Parenting plans and child-centered decision making

• The role of limited legal guidance in self-representation

• Common mistakes and misunderstandings in divorce proceedings

Key Takeaways:

• [0:03:44] Too Much Information Can Become Overwhelming - Trying to navigate family law forms through online searches alone can quickly become confusing, especially without understanding which documents actually apply to your situation.

• [0:06:19] Financial Affidavits Require Extreme Attention to Detail - Even small inconsistencies between financial documents and child support calculations can delay hearings and force parties to redo filings.

• [0:15:09] Flexible Co-Parenting Works Best When Children Remain the Priority - Casey and her former spouse were able to create a workable parenting plan because they focused on their child’s needs instead of rigid control or conflict.

• [0:21:31] Court Approval Does Not Mean Everything Is Correct - Initial acceptance of filings only confirms that documents appear complete, not that the legal or financial details are accurate enough for final approval.

• [0:30:30] Self Representation Is Possible With The Right Support And Preparation - Casey encourages people with cooperative divorces to consider handling the process themselves while still seeking legal guidance when needed for clarity and confidence.

“Child support has nothing to do for the parent; that's the child's right to be taken care of.” - Casey Zidek

About Casey Zidek: Casey Zidek is a determined self‑represented litigant who successfully navigated her own divorce in Florida, managing complex family‑law forms, court e‑filings, and the final hearing while prioritizing her child’s best interests. She supplemented her pro se efforts with targeted attorney consultations to review paperwork and clarify parenting plan and financial details, demonstrating a pragmatic, detail‑oriented approach despite challenges from ADHD. Casey values cooperation and clear structure, advocating for practical solutions that create a stable home base for her child.

Connect with Susan: 

Website: https://www.thechesnuttlawfirm.com/

Podcast: https://www.thechesnuttlawfirm.com/podcasts/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/susan-chesnutt-27077bb9/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thechesnuttlawfirm/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuBwfp_IVpeX-YHKpxZ5L0g

Avvo: https://www.avvo.com/attorneys/32960-fl-susan-chesnutt-3330241.html

What if the biggest financial mistakes in divorce aren’t just about money but about missing information?

In this episode, Susan Chesnutt sits down with Steven Bryant to unpack how financial blind spots, poor planning, and a lack of analysis can cost families years of stress and thousands in unnecessary legal fees. 

You’ll hear why divorce decisions are often made using incomplete or inaccurate numbers, how proper financial planning before settlement can change everything, and what it takes to move forward with clarity and confidence. This conversation challenges the way divorce is typically handled and offers a smarter path toward long-term financial security.

In this episode, Susan and Steven Bryant discuss: 

• Financial planning and analysis in divorce decision-making

• The role of financial professionals in family law cases

• Long-term financial impact of settlement agreements

• Common inefficiencies and gaps in the divorce process

• The cost of litigation versus settlement-focused approaches

Key Takeaways:

• [0:02:17] Lack of Financial Clarity Can Prolong and Intensify Divorce - Even financially knowledgeable couples can spend years and significant legal fees when they rely on the system instead of fully understanding and resolving their finances.

• [0:09:47] Financial Planning Provides Peace of Mind Before Settlement - Long-term financial projections help individuals determine if they will be secure in the future, reducing uncertainty and supporting confident settlement decisions.

• [0:26:51] Accurate Numbers Must Come Before Any Negotiation - Negotiating without verified values, such as appraisals or complete financial data, leads to wasted time, conflict, and decisions based on guesswork.

• [0:43:52] You Cannot Make Sound Decisions Without Complete Financial Information - Resolving a case without full financial data is like solving a puzzle without all the pieces, making informed outcomes nearly impossible.

• [1:12:10] Settling Outside of Court Preserves Control and Reduces Risk - Mediation allows individuals to retain control, while litigation increases costs, stress, and uncertainty by shifting decisions to the court.

“The sooner that you can show the spouses that they’re going to be financially secure, the sooner they will settle, which saves them the most time, money, and, most importantly, stress throughout this whole process.”

- Steven Bryant

About Steven Bryant: Steven F. Bryant is a Certified Divorce Financial Analyst® and founder of Synergy Divorce Solutions, where he specializes in divorce planning, financial mediation, and settlement analysis. A graduate of Quinnipiac University, he was inspired by his own family’s experience with divorce to help others navigate the process with greater clarity and less stress. Steven uses a collaborative, team-based approach and clear financial projections to guide clients toward informed, equitable decisions. His work focuses on helping individuals protect their long-term financial security and reach fair settlements outside of court.

Connect with Steven Bryant:

Website: https://synergydivorcesolutions.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steven-f-bryant-1a935912a/

Connect with Susan: 

Website: https://www.thechesnuttlawfirm.com/

Podcast: https://www.thechesnuttlawfirm.com/podcasts/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/susan-chesnutt-27077bb9/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thechesnuttlawfirm/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuBwfp_IVpeX-YHKpxZ5L0g

Avvo: https://www.avvo.com/attorneys/32960-fl-susan-chesnutt-3330241.html

What happens when parents fight so hard to win that they lose sight of what their children actually need?

In this episode, Susan Chesnutt sits down with Olivia St. Clair Long to unpack high-conflict custody, coercive control, and how the family law system can unintentionally shift focus away from children’s well-being. 

You’ll hear how these dynamics play out in real cases, why many parents lose sight of what truly matters, and what healthier co-parenting can look like. This conversation challenges how “best interest” is defined and pushes you to rethink what it really means to show up for your child during conflict.

In this episode, Susan and Olivia St. Clair Long discuss: 

• High-conflict litigation and its impact on children and families

• Understanding coercive control in custody and parenting dynamics

• Limitations within family court systems when addressing emotional conflict

• Parenting structures like guardians ad litem and coordinators in decision-making

• Redefining what it means to act in a child’s best interest

Key Takeaways:

• [0:06:41] Knowing Your Child Requires Active Involvement - If a parent cannot answer basic questions about their child’s daily life—like doctors, routines, or relationships—it reveals a disconnect that undermines true involvement and weakens claims of shared parenting responsibility.

• [0:15:01] Coercive Control Is Often Misunderstood in Court - Even well-established concepts like coercive control are still poorly recognized in legal settings, making it difficult for victims to effectively communicate and prove their experiences.

• [0:20:26] Litigation Often Means the Focus Has Shifted Away from the Child - By the time parents reach trial-level conflict, one or both have typically lost sight of what benefits the child, unless the situation involves genuine safety concerns like abuse or violence.

• [0:44:05] Unresolved Conflict Teaches Children the Wrong Lessons - When parents fail to provide stability and consistency, children are forced to adapt on their own, often becoming overly independent in unhealthy ways due to a lack of reliable adult guidance.

• [0:48:29] Healthy Co-Parenting Requires Reducing Conflict, Not Winning Arguments - Acting in a child’s best interest means prioritizing productive and cooperative conflict resolution with a co-parent instead of focusing on control or “winning” disputes.

"By the time the parents are litigating… one or both has completely lost sight of what would be good for their kids."

- Olivia St. Clair Long

About Olivia St. Clair Long: Olivia St. Clair Long is the founder and principal attorney of O. Long Law, LLC, where she helps families navigate divorce, custody, and complex family law matters with clarity and confidence. A University of Chicago Law School graduate and former Big Law litigator, she is known for her direct approach, strategic advocacy, and commitment to empowering clients with the information they need to make strong decisions. Olivia also mentors attorneys and supports law firm owners through her Litigator Launchpad program.

Connect with Olivia St. Clair Long:

Website: https://olonglaw.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/oliviastclairlong/

Connect with Susan: 

Website: https://www.thechesnuttlawfirm.com/

Podcast: https://www.thechesnuttlawfirm.com/podcasts/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/susan-chesnutt-27077bb9/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thechesnuttlawfirm/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuBwfp_IVpeX-YHKpxZ5L0g

Avvo: https://www.avvo.com/attorneys/32960-fl-susan-chesnutt-3330241.html

What if the greatest threat to your child isn’t a stranger in the shadows—but someone they already trust?

In this episode, Susan Chesnutt sits down with Erin Williamson to unpack the uncomfortable realities parents, caregivers, and professionals often miss when it comes to child exploitation. Through real-world experience and deeply human stories, you’ll gain clarity on how grooming actually happens, why kids don’t disclose, and how well-intentioned rules can unintentionally silence them. This conversation challenges assumptions, reframes safety, and equips you with language and awareness that could truly protect a child in your life.

In this episode, Susan and Erin Williamson discuss: 

• How child exploitation actually develops in everyday environments

• The role of trust, secrecy, and silence in harmful situations

• Parenting strategies that prioritize safety over punishment

• The emotional and psychological barriers to child disclosure

• Systemic blind spots in identifying and labeling exploitation

Key Takeaways:

• [0:00:00] Give Children Permission to Tell Other Safe Adults - Children are more likely to disclose harm when they are explicitly told they can tell any trusted adult—not just a parent—because reducing secrecy lowers fear and increases safety.

• [0:15:07] Grooming Often Disguises Itself as Care and Stability - Erin explains that grooming commonly begins with attention, affection, and promises of protection, making exploitation emotionally confusing for children and easy for adults to overlook.

• [0:29:24] Prioritize Safety Over Rule Enforcement - When children believe they will be punished for breaking rules, they often stay silent; clearly stating that safety matters more than discipline makes honest disclosure far more likely.

• [0:41:31] Mislabeling Exploitation Limits Protection and Intervention - Erin highlights that once cases are labeled only as abuse, deeper questions often stop, allowing transactional exploitation to go unidentified and under-addressed.

"[A] child has not disclosed their victimization… because they wanted to protect the people around them… so worried that those people couldn’t handle it emotionally… that instead, they decided to carry that mental weight."

- Erin Williamson

About Erin Williamson: Erin Williamson serves as the Chief Programs & Strategy Officer for Love146. She is responsible for leading the development, implementation, and operation of Love146’s US Survivor Care and Prevention Education programs.

Erin has over 20 years of direct service, program management, and applied research experience in the fields of social service and criminal justice, with particular expertise in the areas of human trafficking and child sexual exploitation. She has a Master's in Public Administration and is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker. Erin also sits on the US Department of Health and Human Services National Advisory Committee on the Sex Trafficking of Children & Youth in the United States.

Connect with Erin Williamson:

Website: https://love146.org/

Email: [email protected]

Connect with Susan: 

Website: https://www.thechesnuttlawfirm.com/

Podcast: https://www.thechesnuttlawfirm.com/podcasts/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/susan-chesnutt-27077bb9/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thechesnuttlawfirm/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuBwfp_IVpeX-YHKpxZ5L0g

Avvo: https://www.avvo.com/attorneys/32960-fl-susan-chesnutt-3330241.html

What really happens inside a family courtroom — and what does a judge wish every parent understood before stepping inside?

In this episode, Susan Chesnutt sits down with Judge Anthony Miller for an honest and eye-opening conversation about the realities, pressures, and human side of judicial decision-making. You’ll hear how he approaches children’s safety, manages high-conflict cases, and balances the emotional weight of rulings that affect entire families. This conversation gives you a rare look at the court system through the eyes of someone who lives it every day, helping you better understand what truly matters when you enter family court. You won’t walk away from this episode seeing the system — or your role in it — the same way again.

In this episode, Susan and Judge Anthony Miller discuss: 

• The emotional and procedural challenges of navigating family court

• How children are impacted by litigation, testimony, and parental conflict

• The differences and overlap between dependency and family law systems

• The role of judges, attorneys, and guardians ad litem in child-centered decision-making

• Improving communication, preparation, and professionalism within the legal process

Key Takeaways:

• Focusing on the Child’s Best Interest (59:28): Litigants often lose sight of their children during conflict, but shielding kids from adult disputes and avoiding emotional reactivity can prevent unnecessary harm and help families navigate the process more peacefully.
• How Judge Miller Handles Child Testimony and Trauma Sensitivity (29:25): Judge Miller explains how he uses neutral, safety-centered questions and private in-camera conversations to ensure children feel protected, understood, and not weaponized by either parent — a model that highlights what trauma-informed judicial practice should look like.
• Understanding the Emergency Motion Trap (16:16): Many parents misunderstand emergency motion denials, not realizing the motion itself still exists — learning how to properly follow through can prevent critical delays when children may be at risk.
• Why Professional Communication Matters in Court (1:07:45): Disorganization, lack of communication, and unnecessary drama from attorneys make hearings harder, urging legal professionals to prepare thoroughly, confer in advance, and maintain candor to support the overall administration of justice.

"People think they’re winners and losers… when they see it that way, they lose the big picture."

- Judge Anthony Miller

About Judge Anthony Miller: Judge Anthony Miller serves on the Second Judicial Circuit Court of Florida, bringing years of experience across state government and the legal system. Before joining the circuit court, he served on the Leon County Court and previously worked as General Counsel and Chief Ethics Officer for the Agency for State Technology, Deputy General Counsel for the Florida Lottery, and Commissioner for the Florida State Retirement Commission. He holds an undergraduate degree from Florida A&M University, a J.D. from Florida State University, and an Associate in General Insurance from The Institutes. 

Connect with Judge Anthony Miller:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anthony-miller-ains-10501ba/

Connect with Susan: 

Website: https://www.thechesnuttlawfirm.com/

Podcast: https://www.thechesnuttlawfirm.com/podcasts/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/susan-chesnutt-27077bb9/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thechesnuttlawfirm/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuBwfp_IVpeX-YHKpxZ5L0g

Avvo: https://www.avvo.com/attorneys/32960-fl-susan-chesnutt-3330241.html

What happens when caring for a child means fighting the system that’s supposed to help them?

In this episode, Susan Chesnutt talks with Peter Mutabazi, a foster father to over 47 children and international advocate, and Mica Phillips, a healthcare leader improving Medicaid access and dignity in care. They share the hidden struggles of foster care, healthcare barriers, and what it truly takes to protect children when the system falls short.

Hear candid stories of navigating red tape, finding resources that don’t exist on paper, and turning exhaustion into advocacy. This conversation shows how compassion—and one person’s determination—can challenge broken systems and spark real change.

In this episode, Susan and Peter Mutabazi, and Mica Phillips discuss: 

• Navigating the foster care and Medicaid maze

• The emotional and financial realities of foster parenting

• Fragmented healthcare systems and their hidden costs

• Transforming personal pain into lifelong advocacy

• Seeing the best in every child and nurturing their potential

Key Takeaways:

• From Street Kid to Advocate (06:12): Peter’s journey from homeless child in Uganda to father of 47 foster children shows how belief in others can spark a lifelong mission.

• Breaking Systemic Barriers (14:40): Mica explains how bureaucratic hurdles in Medicaid block families from care, highlighting the power of awareness and persistence.

• Parenting Through Trauma (36:52): Peter demonstrates that parenting children with deep scars requires seeing beyond behavior to the pain beneath.

• Turning Compassion into Change (41:00): Mica shows that pairing compassion with advocacy can transform healthcare systems.

“I love advocating for children, but this time, I also get to advocate for the foster parents.”

- Peter Mutabazi

"The more people can be educated and can educate on the costs of the complication of the system, the more we can advocate for something that hopefully systemically addresses these challenges."

- Mica Phillips

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About Peter Mutabazi and Mica Phillips: 

Peter is the Founder of the Now I Am Known Foundation and a senior child advocate, caring for many foster and adoptive children while transforming the lives of vulnerable kids through advocacy, foster care, and community engagement.

• Website: https://petermutabazi.com/

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fosterdadflipper/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/petermutabazi/

• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@nowiamknown

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7nyDaM9EbB15AMlOkKQyHw

Mica is the Vice President at Aeroflow Urology, helping patients navigate insurance for senior and family care while combining advocacy with creative problem-solving.

• Website: https://aeroflowurology.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mica-phillips-007614a9/

Connect with Susan: 

Website: https://www.thechesnuttlawfirm.com/

Podcast: https://www.thechesnuttlawfirm.com/podcasts/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/susan-chesnutt-27077bb9/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thechesnuttlawfirm/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuBwfp_IVpeX-YHKpxZ5L0g

Avvo: https://www.avvo.com/attorneys/32960-fl-susan-chesnutt-3330241.html

What happens when divorce doesn’t just end a marriage but reshapes an entire family?

In this episode, Susan Chesnutt sits down with nurse, coach, and podcaster Lisa Sander to uncover how faith, forgiveness, and hard conversations can transform even the most painful family transitions. Together, they dig into the realities of blended families, co-parenting challenges, and what it really takes to break generational cycles through honesty and grace.

If you’ve ever faced the chaos of separation or struggled to hold your family together in the midst of change, this episode will show you what healing can look like. You won’t leave this conversation the same.

In this episode, Susan and Lisa Sander discuss: 

• Navigating divorce and blended family dynamics

• The role of faith in healing and transformation

• Communication challenges and breakthroughs in co-parenting

• Building supportive family and community systems

• Personal growth through vulnerability, therapy, and hard conversations

Key Takeaways:

• Graceful Divorce and Co-Parenting (06:20): By keeping her divorce simple and affordable at $1,500, committing to co-parenting promises, and praying with her children, Lisa shows that you can set a foundation of peace and unity from the start.

• Hard Conversations with Children (12:24): Lisa found that involving her kids in heated but honest discussions allowed them to give feedback, reinforced love through reconnection, and modeled that avoiding silence breaks harmful cycles — a practice you can adopt in your own family.

• Choosing Forgiveness in Family Dynamics (26:13): Even after divorce, Lisa chose to hug her ex-husband’s new partner and continue engaging with his extended family, teaching her children that forgiveness and respect can create a healthier support system — a reminder that you can show grace instead of bitterness.

• Letting Children Love Both Parents (41:54): When Lisa’s daughter reminded her, “I’m not divorcing you, I’m just going to Dad’s,” it highlighted the danger of placing guilt on kids; encouraging them to enjoy time with both parents helps them feel safe, loved, and open — something every parent can practice.

“Silence does not help situations. Not having the hard conversations does not help the situation. Hard conversations need to be had to break the generational cycles.”

- Lisa Sander

About Lisa Sander: Lisa Sander is a registered nurse with over 20 years of clinical experience who has transformed her passion for caring into a mission of coaching, speaking, and inspiring others. As co-host of the Our Healer Our Protector podcast and creator of the Healing Chair Talk, Lisa helps individuals, couples, and families navigate life’s most difficult transitions with faith, honesty, and compassion. Drawing from her own journey through divorce, blended family dynamics, and personal growth, she brings a unique combination of clinical wisdom, emotional intuition, and spiritual grounding to her work. Whether guiding women through divorce recovery or helping families strengthen communication, Lisa is committed to breaking generational cycles and fostering resilience. She continues to serve as a nurse leader while empowering others to heal, reconnect, and thrive.

Connect with Lisa Sander:

Website: https://lisasander.com/

Show: Our Healer, Our Protector: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/our-healer-our-protector/id1812547916

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisa-sander-80359725a/

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Website: https://www.thechesnuttlawfirm.com/

Podcast: https://www.thechesnuttlawfirm.com/podcasts/

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