Today, we feature a new guest, Stacey Gibson, Chicago based, with her company Transform the Collective. She is among many things a mother, author, professor, facilitator, and artist. In this session, we reveal patterns of stagnation in equity work, often presented as Diversity, Equity and Inclusion (DEI) programs and training. Even though some observable elements (people, mission statement) change,  the core practices remain the same and nothing really changes. Hence the illusion of change. We reflect on some of the 'silent' practices white people consciously or subconsciously use to communicate their racial dominance. We address unspoken expectations for People of Color to carry extra labor. Finally, we speak about the importance of building trusting cross racial relationships as an important step in making anti-racist work sustainable and successful. We end with a question to our listeners: What have you learned about race and your relationships and what are you still learning?