Ready to trade door knocking and recycled leads for ethical selling, better comp, and real freedom? We sit down with Liz Pabich and Christina Ande to unpack how a new wave of producers—especially women—are turning virtual life insurance into thriving, scalable businesses built on trust, referrals, and question-based selling.

Liz shares how brutal summers in pest control sharpened her value-building skills but left her craving ethics and leverage. Life insurance delivered both. She breaks down advances, why 1099 flexibility ruins the 9-to-5 ceiling, and how a deep 20- to 30-minute needs analysis exposes the real objections long before they derail a close. Christina lifts the hood on captive vs brokerage: limited products, bait-and-switch lead funnels, and low comp on one side; carrier choice, client-first placement, and meaningful pay on the other. Then she reveals her referral engine—starting with beneficiaries, opening with personal proof points, and bridging to the referral’s own protection in minutes.

We cover the rise of remote sales teams and why a strong office culture still matters for young producers. You’ll hear practical scripts for asking permission to be blunt, slimming price without losing value, and following up with a cadence that turns small starts into full protection over time. We go deep on IULs done right—coverage first, living benefits second, cash value third—plus why suitability, structure, and education beat hype every time. And we get honest about profitability: ignore vanity metrics, pace your lead spend, and make every lead spawn two to three referrals.

If you want a playbook for ethical growth—where discovery leads the sale, referrals drive margin, and consistency compounds—this conversation delivers.