In this conversation, Jeff and Nancy discuss the challenges faced by communities, particularly in relation to homelessness and social services. They explore the concepts of relief, recovery, and restoration, emphasizing the importance of empowering individuals to move beyond immediate relief to sustainable solutions. The discussion highlights the differences in approaches between communities, the role of nonprofits, and the need for a shift in mindset towards long-term empowerment and relationship-building. Ultimately, they stress that true restoration requires individual participation and a collective effort to address the underlying issues of homelessness and social support.