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A black square on Instagram doesn’t make you an anti-racist, but there is a path to follow. Welcome to From Woke to Work, the Anti-Racist Journey, a podcast created and hosted by Kamala Ávila-Salmon, with the mission to make an impactful dent in people’s understand of how to actually combat racism. Whether you’re an ally ready to take action or a black person with a bunch of ally-related questions, this podcast will draw a clear path for you to follow towards true anti-racism.
Kamala is back at the mic, sooner than anticipated, to do her part in helping us have the conversations we need in order to advance racial justice. “Enough is enough!” and #StopAsianHate. To be clear- what is happening to Asians and Asian-American people in our country right now is not okay. While this podcast centered stories around Black experiences and anti-Blackness specifically, the goal is anti-racism and effective allyship and that applies to ALL of us. This is a goal that is truly universal because White supremacy attacks all people of color for the purpose of advancing and elevating Whiteness, period.
To share the mic and have a discussion, she invited some really extraordinary guests. First up is Marla Teyolia, a first generation Mexican woman who is the CEO and Founder of Culture Shift Agency. Next is Kim Trin, her friend and former colleague, who is the embodiment of a co-conspirator and a practitioner of cross-racial solidarity and advocacy. Finally, we are beyond privileged to have Dr. Jennifer Ho, the daughter of a refugee father from China and an immigrant mother from Jamaica; she is the director of the Center for Humanities & the Arts at the University of Colorado Boulder, where she also holds an appointment as Professor of Ethnic Studies.
Enjoy this powerful, necessary discussion.
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(00:45) - The spike in violence and discrimination against Asians and Asian-Americans - “White supremacy attacks all people of color for the simple purpose of advancing and elevating whiteness.”
(04:11) - Cross-racial nuances: 3 important facts you NEED to understand - “We have a common enemy and it is not each other. That is yet another one of the lies of white supremacy.”
(07:09) - Asian-hate is old news: Why is it getting media attention now? - “It's always going to be a matter of keeping us obedient and ensuring that if we knew that we were important enough to have an opinion that should be heard, we would become too loud for white supremacy to be able to drown us out.”
(13:31) - Why is it so hard to stand with Asian-Americans? - “White society has such a limited attention span and so if they're not talking about black people anymore then we're forgotten, and now they're talking about this other group.”
(20:23) - The Model Minority Myth is not a compliment, it’s a disservice - “The model minority myth is trying to drive a racial wedge between Asian-American and Pacific Islanders and black indigenous and Latin X people.”
(24:51) - The reasons we don´t know about the historical cooperation and coalition between black and Asian communities - “We have bought into this idea that Asians and Asian-Americans are good, they are accepted, they are where we're trying to get to and they're blocking us.”
(33:33) - White people need to do the work about racism at the workplace - “What you're actually afraid of is not the rejection of people of color, you're afraid of the rejection of white people.”
(42:22) - What’s it like living in this moment being an Asian American woman - “I'm just worried. My mother goes out to get her morning cup of coffee, will she return?...
A black square on Instagram doesn’t make you an anti-racist, but there is a path to follow. Welcome to From Woke to Work, the Anti-Racist Journey, a podcast created and hosted by Kamala Avila-Salmon, with the mission to make an impactful dent in people’s understand of how to actually combat racism. Whether you’re an ally ready to take action or a black person with a bunch of ally-related questions, this podcast will draw a clear path for you to follow towards true anti-racism.
Our journey together, at least this portion of it, is coming to an end. Now that we have fully unpacked the anti-racist journey, we want to end with FAQs. If you’ve listened before, you know that our FAQs are not “frequently asked questions” (though they are) but instead stands for “frequent ally questions”, which are questions that Kamala has heard a lot in her time cultivating intentional conversations about race and racism. When you’re learning something new, it’s normal to have questions and I think having lots of questions CAN be a sign of high-engagement. Notice we said they CAN be- sometimes, they instead function as excuses to not take action, as reasons why it’s too hard, too complicated, or not practical. Examples of those include “I know we need to talk about Black issues but what about….(insert some other group here?” Or “Don’t you think White people face just as much racism as Black people now?”
In today’s episode, we will focus on genuinely offered, highly constructive FAQs. The ones that come from people who really want to do the work and I invited back a few of our amazing guests from past episodes to help me unpack the best ones. Welcome back Jovian Zayne, the powerhouse who kicked us off in the Awareness episode, Chia-Lin Simmons who helped us sort through the importance of empathy, and Terri J Vaughn, who joined us for a discussion on Allyship.
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(02:15) - I said or did something perceived as racist, what should I do now? - “If you're more concerned about being right than getting it right, you will continue to make mistakes and sit in it in a way that doesn't move the work forward”
(11:36) - Strategies and tactics to increase commitment to hire diverse talent… or create one - “You're going to have to examine policies and procedures and examine the relationships you have that help to bring in exceptional people of color, and we're everywhere.”
(23:03) - Do we really need more data to know that diversity is good business? - “They already know the impact of our culture, of our voices, of our fashion, of our style… I think that it's just embedded in their culture to find ways to impact our influence by saying stuff like, well, they don't sell over the seas.”
(34:37) - Who should I be supporting? Vetted leads of organizations that are tackling racial equity issues - "One that comes to mind for me is the Equal Justice Institute. Changing systems, as opposed to solely focusing on individual cases or individual anecdotes. I think we have to really look at the root causes and the root systems."
(36:26) - Why it takes a lot more than just creating a Diversity Chief Officer, goals and metrics to educate inside an organization - "Empathy is so necessary for us to see each other. You've got to fund this work. You can't say, 'we want to allocate $10,000 for this work over the year, or even for a day of training'… that just doesn't work. D&I work helps people to be fundamentally better."
(43:46) - Stop clapping yourself because you marched. On diversity clauses in the VC world and other ways to give real crap about these issues - "When was the last time that you bought something from a black owned business? […] No more writing checks...
A black square on Instagram doesn’t make you an anti-racist, but there is a path to follow. Welcome to From Woke to Work, the Anti-Racist Journey, a podcast created and hosted by Kamala Avila-Salmon, with the mission to make an impactful dent in people’s understand of how to actually combat racism. Whether you’re an ally ready to take action or a black person with a bunch of ally-related questions, this podcast will draw a clear path for you to follow towards true anti-racism.
We made it all the way through our journey from awareness to sympathy, through to empathy and reflection and all the way to allyship. And finally, anti-racism not to mention our detour stops to talk about the importance of relationships and anti-racist work and processing that attempted coup at the Capitol.
In this episode, Kamala goes solo to provide 5 steps to take action and keep moving forward in the antiracist journey. Enjoy and however you start, keep going.
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(00:46) - We’ve made it through this series but... is it enough? - “My hope for the future really rests in more and more non-black people, and especially white people, deciding that figuring out how to talk about race and how to actually see and address racism is worth it to them. “
(03:54) - Now what? 5 steps to take action and keep moving forward in the antiracist journey - “Wherever you are right now is okay, knowing where you are is what matters because if you know where you are, you can make a plan for how to get to where you want to be.”
(10:02) - One last thing: Please discard “white neutrality” - “When we go to a white person, they are not giving us an objective point of view, they are giving us a white frame to point of view via the lens through which they inhabit and exist in the world.”
Resources
Code Switch Podcast
The Nod Podcast
The Read Podcast
Shadow & Act
The Grio
Essence
Ebony
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From Woke to Work is a show produced and hosted by Kamala Avila-Salmon in partnership with Julian Lewis and TJ Bonaventura at StudioPod. Edited at Nodalab, art by Tommy Gomez, and music produced by davecantrap.
A black square on Instagram doesn’t make you an anti-racist, but there is a path to follow. Welcome to From Woke to Work, the Anti-Racist Journey, a podcast created and hosted by Kamala Avila-Salmon, with the mission to make an impactful dent in people’s understand of how to actually combat racism. Whether you’re an ally ready to take action or a black person with a bunch of ally-related questions, this podcast will draw a clear path for you to follow towards true anti-racism.
We have now reached the last step of our journey together: anti-racism. As a refresher, this is not the kind that just means you’re not a fan of racism. We’re talking about true, effective, committed anti-racism; the kind that actually changes you and how you show up in the world. The team behind this, especially our host Kamala, is thankful to each and every one of you listening right now for rocking with us all season long. You were pushed hard, but you stuck around anyway.
To wrap up this season and talk about what anti-racism can and should look like, Kamala has invited two people whose work in the space she deeply admires. Glenn Singleton has devoted over thirty years to constructing racial equity worldwide and developing leaders to do the same. Author, thought leader, and strategist, he is the creator of Courageous Conversation™ a protocol and framework for sustained, deepened dialogue about race, and Beyond Diversity™, the curriculum that has taught hundreds of thousands of people how to use it. JLove Calderon is a coach, creative and lifelong antiracist activist. She has coached organizers and activists, social entrepreneurs and artists, corporations and media companies – all leading to her co-founding Inspire Justice, a social impact and creative agency supporting celebrities, influencers and Hollywood in shifting a very toxic culture into a culture where everyone can truly thrive, and new narratives centering justice and equity become normalized.
Enjoy this conversation and then listen to it again and as often as you need to.
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(05:58) - Kicking it with the hard stuff: Anti-racism is not a feeling, it’s a lifestyle - “It’s not about trying to keep the peace, it’s actually about trying to actively disrupt the peace, because the peace is white supremacy.”
(11:03) - A level up from allyship: Knowing about anti-racism is not the same as being anti-racist - ”We need to couple that with action and action means putting your body on the line for racial injustice.”
(15:11) - The moving walkway into racism - “Some people get on that walkway and they don’t wait, they’re running down that walkway, they get to that destination much faster, deeper into racism, but anti-racism feels like you actually turn around on the walkway.”
(20:49) - This is not a perfect island of anti-racism: Hidden places of complicity and anti-blackness - “The search to find people who can actually elevate me, push me, put me in discomfort and challenge me is so necessary”.
(27:27) - Learning in both directions: Intergenerational discussions and Courageous Conversation - “In 1990 when I wrote Courageous Conversation it was to recognize that there were a lot of people at the time, believe it or not, who knew that we needed to have a conversation.”
(33:05) - “I'm a white woman!” On JLove’s journey - “I have to consistently do my work and be in deep practice, and that includes honing and evolving my politics, that includes being in deep community with black and brown folks and paying attention.”
(39:04) - The last step from allyship to anti-racism - “Four actions every week: an action for your body, an action for your mind, an action for your money and an action for...
A black square on Instagram doesn’t make you an anti-racist, but there is a path to follow. Welcome to From Woke to Work, the Anti-Racist Journey, a podcast created and hosted by Kamala Avila-Salmon, with the mission to make an impactful dent in people’s understand of how to actually combat racism. Whether you’re an ally ready to take action or a black person with a bunch of ally-related questions, this podcast will draw a clear path for you to follow towards true anti-racism.
This is the penultimate step of our anti-racist journey, and in this episode, Kamala will tackle everything around allyship and why it just isn’t enough. When it comes to being an ally, white people look at it as if it was some sort of badge of honor, that they can even grant to themselves just by “not lynching” black people, basically. But the truth is, effective allyship comes with great discomfort, a lot of work, and big sacrifices. Being an ally means being of service, it means teaming up and proactively conspiring to dismantle the racist nature of our families, education and our overall system. Today, Kamala is joined by Black-British actress and director, public speaker, fierce dancer and athlete, and the Say Your Mind podcast host, Kelechi Okafor, to have a rich and unapologetic discussion around allyship, its limits and what it takes for non-black people to make changes in favor of a more diverse and inclusive society.
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(00:46) - On the cynical racism of Hollywood and the clear limits of useful allyship - “Feels limited because the ‘ally’ will always retain their privilege.”
(07:45) - The ridiculous hypocrisy of self-proclaimed allies and the nonsensical attempts to censor black people’s voices - “It's no longer about feeling great. And if it is about feeling great, why must the greatness that you feel be at the expense of other people who are usually darker than you?”
(17:51) - Why allyship should never feel too comfortable - “It's full of clowns, as far as I'm concerned, because if we're talking about true allyship, you cannot do that without the willingness to lose something.”
(21:54) - The role of diverse, deep relationship in the anti-racist journey, and why cis white males will difficultly become allies - “These things that I consider from good natured white men who try to help, they lack really an understanding of the complexities and the nuance around just how violent whiteness can be as a construct.”
(30:35) - The huge difference between interrupting versus dismantling racism - “The system is easy because you can remove your emotions from it, go to the place that hurts, your household, because when you can do that, you're indestructible, and then we can take on this whole system together.”
(38:12) - From being performative to becoming a better ally and how to effectively diversify the workplace - “If you're really wanting to go the distance, then this is how you do it, get your energy levels up, because it's not an easy walk.”
Resources
Follow Kelechi on Instagram and Twitter
Say Your Mind
Kelechi’s take on the Tiffany Haddish Grammy scandal
Thanks
Welcome back to FROM WOKE TO WORK: The Anti-Racist Journey. On this episode host, Kamala Avila-Salmon, discusses the next level on the journey, ALLYSHIP. Let's be clear, you are not an ally just because you think you are. You are also not an ally just because you would like to be. You are not an ally because you have Black friends. You are not an ally because you think the cops that killed Breonna Taylor and George Floyd and Jacob Blake and so many others should be locked up and stripped of their badges immediately. That is because ally is a verb. It is a set of consistent actions to interrupt and disrupt the status quo of systemic racism and anti-Blackness when you see it. It is DOING things- it is not feeling things or thinking things or reading things. It is ACTION, not words.
To have this discussion about the importance of real, true allyship, Kamala is joined by a powerhouse panel of guests: actress, producer and director Terry Vaughn, Overbrook Entertainment Producer and Development Executive, Dougie Cash, and marketing professional Michael Hoffman specializing in the cross-section of entertainment and digital communities.
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(00:44) - The definitions of true allyship - “Ally is someone who will speak up and go to bat for you when opportunities present themselves that fit you. An ally is really someone that puts their caring into action.”
(09:57) - The intersection between marginalized communities - “Sitting in that place of privilege within my own marginalized community helps make me aware of the importance of making time and space to support those around me who don't have those experiences.”
(16:41) - It was the year of 2020: The sudden (and quite upsetting) US’ racial awakening- “It made me think about just us as a race and how much trauma we've all been carrying.”
(27:04) - Tokenism, allyship and the needed empowerment of the black community - “Somebody that literally stood up and said: ‘I want her, I want to give her this opportunity, I've seen her work. I know how much time she's put into this craft of hers. I want her.’ Everyone that has ever done that for me is black.”
(36:10) - How tangible is your allyship? - “Where are the spaces where what you're doing as an ally is hard? Where are the spaces where it actually is requiring you to give something up and to sacrifice?
(44:20) - The Frequent Ally Questions: On performative allyship and non-black saviors - “Don't take some of the things that are being said personally as if you're being attacked, try to hear it for the context in which it's being spoken. Understand it’s okay to disagree.”
Resources
Follow Terri on Instagram and Twitter
Follow Dougie on Instagram
Check out the We Might Need Counseling Podcast
Follow Michael on Instagram
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Welcome back to FROM WOKE TO WORK: The Anti-Racist Journey. On the last episode, we talked about the fourth stage of this journey- REFLECTION. If this is your first time joining us, STOP and go back to Episode 1.
Now that we have made the case for reflection, Kamala does what she always does- lights a fire under your collective butts so you don’t just chill here, thinking and thinking and thinking again, but actually start to move FORWARD and take some action. The key thing you need to remember when it comes to the limits of reflection is that thinking and planning and contemplating is not solving racism. At some point, you will need to DO SOMETHING. With the benefit of reflection, you will hopefully do the RIGHT something but you should not be seeking the “best ally” award just for being thoughtful.
In this episode, Kamala is joined by Jon Alston, former NFL player and awarded filmmaker for his short film Augustus, and Vince, co-host of the While Black Podcast, to speak up towards racial injustice, highlight why reflection is not enough and how to keep moving forward.
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(00:45) - The limits of reflection: why you must speak up - “It’s so important for an ally to feel empowered enough to take this message of allyship and racial understanding back to the groups of people you and I can’t reach.”
(08:03) - The huge difference between “allies” and true accomplices - “I want you to be invested, otherwise, any movement that you colonize will only go as far as you want it to go.”
(13:00) - The problem with still “doing research”: How much time do you need for your progress or to take action? - “Why are we being held accountable for progress in a world where we’re not the ones lagging behind?”
(22:53) - The importance of deep reflection and why it is so crucial to take action today - “No matter who you are, your experiences or your belief system, with the combination of true introspection and deep reflection the human in you has to kick in. There has to be an awakening that forces you to look at the world through a different set of lenses.”
(30:35) - From performance to positive progress through reflection - “Reflection, and action don't need to be adversaries, actually, they should really be close friends.”
(37:23) - How to become a more active and effective accomplice - “Don't use racial bias for your own advantage.”
Resources
Follow John on Instagram and Twitter
Keep an eye on Augustus through Instagram
Augustus
Follow Vince on Instagram
The While Black Podcast
2Pac 1994 Interview
American Skin
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As we drive into this episode of From Woke to Work: The Anti-Racist Journey, let's first level-set where we are in our journey. We took a detour the last 2 weeks to take a WTF break to process the White Trumpian insurrection at the Capitol and then to talk about the importance of relationships in the quest for anti-racism. We're now moving into the back half and it will be important to take the discussion on relationships with you. The next 3 steps are rarefied air. By definition, a funnel gets less populated as you go deeper into it.
REFLECTION, in particular, is the level that will likely have the steepest amount of drop-off, because it is about going beyond the facts you know and the feelings you have, and finally confronting yourself. For non-Black people, and especially White people, this can be the most challenging step of all. This is the point you have to stop looking outward, and instead look inward; What role do you play in White supremacy? None of us sits outside of the system- we are all in it.
Kamala is joined on this episode by her friends and allies, Ashley Abercrombie, author, podcaster and clergy leader, and Caroline Brown, who recently launched the Up To Us Project, to highlight the importance of this stage in the formation of future allies. Listen now to learn about the importance of pondering on your own involvement within white supremacy, why white people should never take their voice for granted, and how to stand up and leverage your own privilege to impact the communities that need it the most. Don’t miss this authentic, vulnerable and inspiring conversation!
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(00:45) - First comes reflection, then comes allyship - “We all have work to do because we've grown up and benefited from the system from day one.”
(09:13) - On white supremacy and why colorblindness does more harm than good - “An excellent way to take no action on racism is to try and not see race. That's the perfect setup for leaving everything exactly as it is.”
(17:43) - Veganism and anti-racism: How commitment, proactiveness and strong communities are needed to do the work - “Trying to do this work in isolation, especially as a white person, trying to be a single island of allyship in a culture of white supremacy is almost a recipe for failure.”
(22:59) - The conversations around racism inside Christian circles - “I have seen change and I have seen people go the distance and become autonomous and learn to think for themselves.”
(29:04) - The importance of questioning beliefs and leveraging your own privilege - “Think about all of the things that a black person can't control about, like their skin color and a number of other items that compound and have a negative impact on their outcomes.”
(39:00) - The Frequent Ally Question: Can you have white privilege, even if you aren't rich and can you still be guilty or complicit of racism, if you have never acted in ways that you yourself see as individually racist? - “There's an opportunity to really think through the way in which the system has benefited you, and the way that by default, you have gotten certain advantages or opportunities that others may not have gotten.”
Resources
Follow Ashley on Instagram
Why Tho Podcast
The idea for the Anti-Racist Journey came to host, Kamala Avila Salmon, this past summer when everyone you know was getting “woke” and almost all the Black people you know were feeling exhausted by all the “woke” talk without action. The journey is arranged as a funnel, based on her past as a marketer - it is meant to mimic the marketing conversion funnel of taking consumers from unaware of your product to deciding to become customers. After sketching it out, her career coach asked her a very simple question: “What about relationships? People need to truly be in COMMUNITY with the groups they are aiming to be allies too.” It was a lightbulb moment for her, and leads us to this episode because the subject of many of her initial writings about race revolved around the importance of interracial friendships where honest conversations about race could take place.
For this episode she invited a couple of her best friends who, as she humbly brags about as “total BOSSES!” Dr. Monica Huerta, author, Co-Director at Organizing Stories, and English and American Studies Professor at Princeton, and Jessica Massa, storyteller, people leader and activist at BuzzFeed. Monica is Mexican-American and Jess is White and of Italian heritage. While they both have done work relevant to the topics of race, inclusion, and equity, they were mostly invited because they have diverse circles of friends of all races and backgrounds, regardless of where they live and work. Note Kamala is NOT THEIR ONLY BLACK FRIEND. Enjoy the episode
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(00:45) - The silent racism: How genuine relationships with diverse people are needed to do the work - “No amount of love or respect for any specific person of color can, on its own, make you an anti-racist, because racism has always been able to accommodate exceptions.”
(15:47) - The problem with avoiding uncomfortable conversations around racial injustice - “How is it that you’re so ambitious and so successful, yet this is a part of the world that you weren’t moved to think about?”
(24:22) - The importance of aiming for diversity - “You have to make life choices that are going to put you in contact with people who are not like you if you’re white.”
(33:49) - The role of media in a racist system, and how proper representation will inspire uncomfortable but needed conversations - “Being called out for doing something racist doesn’t mean that now I’ve put you in the category in my head of “terrible person I don’t want to interact with”. Those people I don’t even bother to call out, actually.”
(43:45) - How to diversify your friend group without being a performer - “If you think you’re friends with a black person and you’ve only really interacted with them in mostly white spaces, then you’re not actually as close as you think you are.”
(54:33) - The comfort of white supremacy - “By the way, people of color don’t feel comfortable in America, that’s not a thing.”
(59:53) - How to co-create a diverse space that functions as the foundation for a true community - “Be intentional about making sure that the very specific people who are in the room are feeling respected and seen.”
Resources
Monica Huerta PhD
Organizing Stories
Follow Jess on Instagram
Welcome to a special edition of From Woke to Work: The Anti-Racist Journey. On this episode, host Kamala Avila-Salmon, interrupts the journey through the funnel to RAGE on what happened at the Capitol on January 6, 2021 or as it felt, December 37th in the unending trash year known as 2020. What the HELL happened at the Capitol on Wednesday if not a flagrant representation and affirmation of the potency of White supremacy in our country. And as a Black person in this country, who has been consistently critical of our country for good reason, Kamala was forced into the awkward position of having to appear extra patriotic in her outrage against the Trumpsters who tried, pretty embarrassingly it must be said, to overthrow our democracy.
As the insurrection was taking place, Kamala describes the phases of what she was feeling: shock, anger, disgust. With those feelings boiling, it was important to get her on the mic, because anyone aspiring to be an ally or anti-racist, needs to REALLY understand the levels of White privilege on display at the Capitol and how it’s connected to Black Lives Matter.
Joining her on this week's episode are two powerful and inspiring voices, Ebele Okobi and Dr. Nii-Quartelai Quartey.
Ebele is the Public Policy Director for Africa, the Middle East and Turkey at a major tech company and prior to that she has been the global head of human rights at Yahoo, the head of marketing for Management Leadership for Tomorrow, a senior director of advisory services at Catalyst in Silicon Valley and Amsterdam.
Dr. Quartey started creating change as a 13-year-old student organizer for Oprah’s Angel Network and has been sought out ever since for his skills in organizing social change and influencing organizational leadership on strategic initiatives with a consciousness around racial equity and LGBTQ inclusion. During the 2020 election cycle, Dr. Quartey served as Senior Policy Advisor for the OUT for Biden Initiative of the Biden-Harris Presidential Campaign. He also lives and works in DC so what unfolded last week took place in his backyard.
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(00:44) - The foundations and undeniable potency of white supremacy in the US - “Had these men and women, these insurrectionists, these domestic terrorists been black, we all know what would have happened next: we would have been watching a massacre on the steps of the Capitol.”
(16:00) - How anger and rage are privileges granted to white people only - “The level of force that they bring to meet us unarmed is just nowhere near the level of force that we saw with people actively trying to overthrow the government.”
(25:09) - This is America: On the normalized subjugation of black people - “If it is your natural state to be in a state of subjugation, then you should feel joy that even a couple of you have escaped, because this is the place where you're meant to be.”
(28:57) - Enough is enough: The hypocrisy and cynicism of “concerned” politics for their own convenience - “They were in positions of power, in positions of authority and they use their power and authority to uphold white supremacy. You don't get to run away from that. That's who you are. You are a white supremacist.”
(36:20) - The magic of Black Twitter, moving forward, and the lessons learned from the white insurrection at the Capitol - “In the same way that white people have educated themselves about so many other things, they can do this as well. Educate yourself about this. “
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