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What does it actually take to make your first sales hire at the right time, avoid the classic founder-led-sales traps, and build a sales function that can scale without breaking the business?
In this episode of the Full Stack CEO podcast, Yannick Kpodar sits down with David Ehrlich and Mark Nelson for a candid conversation on product-market fit, sales hiring, comp structure, and how founders can tell the difference between a strong resume and the right operator for their reality.
David brings decades of experience as a founder and CEO, including building Aktana into a global business with hundreds of employees across 50 countries, while Mark shares lessons from a long career spanning enterprise software, consulting, e-commerce, and multiple founder-led ventures. Together, they break down when founders should hire, what to look for in that first salesperson, why “mini founder” ownership matters, and how to avoid bringing in the wrong profile too early.
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00:00 — Introduction: why first sales hires are so often mishandled.
01:38 — Mark’s background and how he thinks about sales across software and e-commerce.
02:30 — David’s background, Aktana, and building through AI and data.
04:55 — The most important thing to get right before hiring your first salesperson.
06:04 — When founders should keep selling vs. bring in a partner early.
08:18 — Why product-market fit changes everything.
09:06 — Why founders should think carefully about equity, retention, and early incentives.
11:17 — How Mark approached first hires across different companies.
13:44 — Why salespeople are great at selling themselves.
14:39 — Hiring a “mini CEO” for a region or market.
16:46 — How senior should the first hire be?
18:03 — What Mark looked for when scaling from one salesperson to a team.
21:35 — Why resumes can be misleading in sales hiring.
23:21 — The traits that show up in top sales performers.
28:47 — David on why language, listening, and role play matter in vetting.
31:08 — Why role-play is one of the best ways to test a sales candidate.
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What does a career built across early internet startups, agency exits, consulting, product leadership, and scaling companies like Acquia, NGINX, Cockroach Labs, SingleStore, Mesosphere, and Tabnine actually look like?
Peter Guagenti — entrepreneur, executive, advisor joins Yannick Kpodar for a conversation on how he’s repeatedly found product-market opportunities, built customer love, and helped companies grow from early revenue to scale.
Peter recently joined Full Stack CEO™ and brings deep experience across strategy, product, marketing, sales, and ops, with five successful exits and early conviction in AI dating back to 2017.
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What does it actually look like to build a company from zero to 300 employees, get acquired, start over, hit $1M ARR in under a year, and then spend the next decade helping other founders avoid the mistakes you made?
Bill Kahlert — 3x founder, 3x exited, advisor to 24+ B2B SaaS and AI companies through Techstars and Alchemist — joins Yannick Kpodar to share the reality behind the scenes.
Bill recently joined Full Stack CEO™ as an Operator Partner to support B2B SaaS & AI CEOs as they scale from pre-seed to Series B. Learn more at www.full-stack-ceo.com.
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What does a career built on multiple exits, a 12-year CEO run scaling Aktana to 400+ employees across 50 countries, and the technology that became the foundation of AWS Redshift actually look like from the inside?
David Ehrlich — serial CEO, board member, Stanford & HBS alum — joins Yannick Kpodar for a raw, unfiltered conversation on what it truly takes to build and lead a company from zero to scale in the age of AI.
David recently joined Full Stack CEO™ as an Operator Partner to support B2B SaaS & AI CEOs as they scale from pre-seed to Series B. Learn more at www.full-stack-ceo.com.
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Discover the nuanced journey of Indy Sen, a seasoned marketing leader with experience from Salesforce to Canva, Box, Matterport, Google, WeWork, Mulesoft, and 3 x IPOs.
Indy recently joined Full Stack CEO™ as a Operator Partner to support B2B SaaS & AI CEOs as they scale from pre-seed to Series B. Learn more at www.full-stack-ceo.com.
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00:00 - Introduction to Indy Sen’s career journey and achievements
02:17 - Learning from successes and failures across companies
03:26 - Most formative experiences in marketing at Salesforce and Canva
04:43 - The critical role of product excellence and company culture
05:54 - Culture as an internal brand promise to employees
07:13 - Overcoming challenges: the WeWork and personal setbacks stories
09:17 - Lessons from layoffs and company crises—grace and perspective
10:51 - Managing energy and health in leadership roles
12:15 - The impact of personal loss and life lessons learned
16:54 - The importance of pacing in entrepreneurship
18:29 - The value of supporting startup communities and mentoring
22:22 - Advice for founders: run your race and stay focused amid FOMO
25:31 - Connecting marathon pacing to long-term startup success
26:45 - Indy’s current projects: newsletter, deconstructing marketing playbooks
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The conversations for founders, VCs, and operators who want a 360° view of what it means to build and lead a company in the age of AI.
Most podcasts give you one lane…
Hosted by Yannick Kpodar — 2x VP/CMO turned General Partner at Aventra Capital, with 15 years inside VC-backed SaaS across LinkedIn, PayFit, Amenitiz, and Groupe BPCE. This show is built for founders, investors, and operators who refuse to be blind in any lane.
Every episode tackles the real conversations that don't happen in board decks: the GTM bets that worked and the ones that didn't, the fundraising rounds that nearly killed the company, the pivots, the shutdowns, the exits, the IPOs, and everything in between.
We cover it all:
We interview the people who've actually lived it: exited founders with real scar tissue, active VCs writing checks today, and tier-1 operators who've scaled teams from single-digit ARR to category leadership. No hype. No vanity metrics. No celebrity-CEOs.
Why this show, and why now? AI has collapsed product and GTM cycles. Boards are underwriting control, not just charisma. The founders who win in this environment are the ones who can read the whole field (product, GTM, capital, and leadership) as one integrated system.
That's what it means to be a Full Stack CEO. And this podcast is your weekly dispatch from the operators and investors building those companies.
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