Dan Grossman takes us on a tour of a very uncharted—but important—aspect of psychedelics’ effects: somatic experiences. We discuss the role that weird and wacky, “energy-like” experiences might play in the effects of psychedelics, and how, despite sounding a little out-there, these experiences are grounded in rich psychological and somatic traditions in both the East and West. If you’re wondering how The Body Keeps the Score might relate to psychedelics, this episode is for you.

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Ria Xi is taking running further than many people could even conceive of as possible. She is planning a 20,000-km (~12,427-mile) run from the edge of Russia to Portugal. She has already pushed running to its limits—setting the fastest known time on the Camino trail in Spain and becoming the first person to ultrarun the Sinai Trail in Egypt.

In our conversation, we talk about what she is running toward, what endurance really means, and the power of focusing on your “why.” We also get into the practicalities of ultrarunning and who might be ready to take the first steps toward training.

Still, this conversation is inspiring for more than just the athletes out there. Ria basically asks us to dream big, bolder, and to just go for things—and to remember, “It’s only delusional until it’s not.”

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How often do you feel amazed—or experience a sense of wonder? When was the last time you looked up at a tree, even in an ordinary park, and felt awe?

Sean Goldy, PhD, a postdoctoral researcher at the Center for Psychedelics and Consciousness Research, takes us on a tour through his work on awe. We discuss the role it plays in psychedelic experiences—but also move beyond psychedelics to explore something even more fundamental to being human, and far more easily accessible.

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Psychedelics have long been a hot topic. But in the early days of psychedelics, back in the 1950s, even mainstream media outlets were enthusiastically covering research on a bizarre new drug that was active in minuscule doses.

On this episode of Furthure, Dr. Steve Siff, a journalism professor at Miami University and author of Acid Hype, discusses media coverage surrounding psychedelics. We talk about the rise and fall of the psychedelic hype and whether today’s media is bound to make similar mistakes to those of the 1960s. I think this conversation is especially relevant, as in some circles there's mounting backlash against the hype.

Also, I highly recommend checking out Steve’s book for more details on some of the media stories, which are just wild. The way people wrote about psychedelics in the 1950s is so campy and sensational that it’s a joy to read. Plus, there’s a lot in there about how psychosis and psychedelics were framed to the public in the ’50s that I haven’t heard discussed anywhere else.

This was a far-ranging conversation, and we bounced back and forth between eras a bit. Because of that, there are a few small corrections to make. The pilot with the mental health episode had actually used psilocybin-containing mushrooms recently. Also, to clarify, the Good Friday adverse effects we discussed didn’t involve anyone running out of the church naked, but it did involve Thorazine being administered. Some early LSD therapy manuals did recommend that therapist use psychedelics with their patients, and some did develop sexual relationships and were charged with SA.

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Relevant sources 👩‍🔬

Rick Doblin’s 1991 Critique of the Good Friday Experiment:

https://www.atpweb.org/jtparchive/trps-23-91-01-001.pdf

Note: one person received Thorazine. This was not reported in Pahnke data.

Pilot with Psilocybin-Related Mental Health Episode: https://www.opb.org/article/2023/10/24/alaska-airlines-pilot-psychedelic-mushrooms-psilocybin/#:~:text=Joseph%20Emerson%20faces%2083%20charges,%2C%E2%80%9D%20according%20to%20the%20affidavit.

Experiential side of MDMA-therapy training:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/hast.1602

Therapist using psychedelics with patients & SA:

Accessible link here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HPtFF-dM5efTooFTvfCA1tVNz8--juWd/view?usp=sharing

Coverstory : https://open.spotify.com/show/7dj2XnCMxGpK8W3tGWjiqw?si=323ff8c7a7a5455e

Psychedelic Syndrome:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/15563656908990915

Dr. Willoughby Britton tells her journey from a meditation evangelical to a meditation skeptic. She discusses how stumbling into cases of people getting worse from meditation catalyzed her research examining meditators in distress, and also led her to create the non-profit Cheetah House, which provides evidence-based support for meditators in distress. She talks about the Varieties of Contemplative Experience study, which crafted an extremely thorough catalogue of the kinds of negative effects people can have from meditation—ranging from altered self-experience to energy-like somatic experiences. Aside from research, we also discuss some more practical, action-based advice for both preventing meditation-related adverse effects and what is helpful (and not helpful) if you happen to be experiencing negative effects. We also get into the intersection between psychedelic-related adverse effects and meditation-related adverse effects, and how a lot of psychedelic enthusiasts end up on Cheetah House’s doorstep.

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Manoj Doss, PhD, has been known as a force of skepticism in psychedelic science and a critic of psychedelic neuroimaging. But he is also an expert on one often overlooked—but potentially very important—aspect of how psychedelics and other drugs impact people: how they affect memory. We also learn how Manoj became interested in memory research through a rollerblading mishap.

We talk about how psychedelics might increase our sense of familiarity, how this might play a role in people developing odd beliefs, but also how it could be part of their therapeutic mechanism. How might drugs create a sense of “downloads” from the universe, perhaps due to changes in memory processing? We also explore how other drugs impact various memory systems.

For example, we discuss a common non-psychedelic substance that can help you remember what you recently learned better—maybe you can guess what this mysterious drug is.

We also hear more about directions in psychedelic science that Manoj is more optimistic about.

Little announcement: Book Club

Furthure is starting an online book club! The book club will meet every other month over Zoom. I realized I was basically going through withdrawals from not having an English-language book club around me, haha.

We’ll meet at a time that works for both U.S. and European time zones. The first meeting will be on October 26th at 7:30 pm Central European Time / 1:30 pm Eastern / 10:30 am Pacific.

For the first book, we’re going to learn a little bit about Furthure’s namesake by reading The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test. This book tells the tale of Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters running around the U.S. from coast to coast on a bus called Furthur—which has the same intentional misspelling as the Furthure podcast, minus the extra “e”! The book is a bit of a time capsule, but it also reminds us how different psychedelic culture is today compared to the late 1960s. One event in the book, the Acid Graduation, even took place on Halloween in the 1960s, making it a fitting choice for October.

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Lisa Gezon, an anthropologist at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, joins Furthure to share her experience investigating what many may consider an unlikely cultural group – a psychedelic integration group in America’s Deep South. We discuss how the religious landscape of the region intersects with the kinds of experiences people face during their journeys. Additionally, we explore how psychedelic research has influenced the way people make sense of their psychedelic experiences in the wild. Finally, we touch on some of the potential side effects of psychedelics – from adopting new belief systems to becoming a psychedelic evangelical.

Relevant Papers: https://anthrosource.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdfdirect/10.1111/anoc.70010 https://akjournals.com/view/journals/2054/9/1/article-p8.xml

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Maria Bǎlǎeț, PhD is a cognitive neuroscientist who has explored how the use of psychedelics “in the wild” might impact both cognition and mental health.

She discusses her experiences with the Great British Intelligence Test and her research on the mental health resilience of psychedelic users during the COVID-19 pandemic, where she uncovered some unexpected results.

We also talk about the influence of public discourse on the effects of psychedelic experiences, particularly highlighting the nocebo effect. Additionally, we explore what effective science communication looks like, what the public can teach scientists about psychedelics, and the discrepancies between what is researched and what is actually relevant to people.

We also touch on a topic that many might find even more surprising than psychedelic-induced states—childbirth as a pleasant, mushroom-like altered state of consciousness. This idea is based on Maria’s recent case report, and she shares where she hopes this line of research will lead.

Interestingly, this conversation evolves into a broader discussion about how set and setting apply to all aspects of life, not just psychedelic use.

Maria’s social media account:

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Papers we discuss:

• https://www.researchgate.net/publication/371598104_Associations_between_the_use_of_psychedelics_and_other_recreational_drugs_with_mental_health_and_resilience_during_the_COVID-19_pandemic
• https://www.researchgate.net/publication/380509147_Considering_the_nocebo_effect_in_the_psychedelic_discourse
• https://akjournals.com/view/journals/2054/aop/article-10.1556-2054.2025.00362/article-10.1556-2054.2025.00362.xml
• https://osf.io/preprints/osf/g3xau_v1

Book I mention with aspects of a nocebo experience: The Varieties of Psychedelic Experience by Robert Masters and Jean Houston

Nocebo-like temporary effects are described on page 20 of the pdf - https://psychonautdocs.com/docs/thevarieties.pdf

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There are some unique occupational hazards to being a psychedelic facilitator. One you might not hear much about is getting stabbed by a client while extracting their astral parasites or demons.

This is what happened to Julio Rivera, who shares his story of a client attack during what he describes as a parasite extraction gone wrong.

We also learn more about Julio’s unique method of working with psychedelics, which includes demon extraction, ceremonial daggers, and ultra-high doses of psilocybin.

I also want to be clear about my intentions in sharing stories like this. I am not recommending that people seek out demon extraction or astral parasites; I am merely trying to capture some of the beliefs and frameworks that exist out there. I think it is important to catalog the belief structures and systems of use that emerge in naturalistic use contexts and retreat settings.

Finally, a few small warnings: this episode does get quite graphic. Trigger warnings can often be used in cringe-worthy ways, but if you don’t want to hear the details of someone being stabbed, please skip the first 20 minutes of this episode.

Lastly, I want to emphasize that the dosing parameters described in the later portion are extreme. These are roughly eight times the dosage used in a clinical trial.

Julio's website: https://www.shape-my.life/

Julie Holland, MD is launching a groundbreaking trial on the safety of MDMA in people with schizophrenia—something she has been working toward for nearly 40 years. She shares what first sparked her interest in studying psychedelics and psychosis and discusses her book, Good Chemistry, which explores the science of connection, both through psychedelics, and more everyday experiences.

Learn more about Dr. Julie Holland

https://drholland.com/

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