On episode 49 of Generationship, Rachel Chalmers sits down with Denise Koessler Gosnell and Kathryn Erickson to unpack their new book Tech Confidential. Together they explore burnout, leadership, motivation, and the surprising ways our emotional wiring shapes tech culture. It’s a candid, deeply human conversation about transforming toxic systems into something resilient, sustainable, and even joyful.