A conversation on loss, self-advocacy, and the care women deserve before, during, and after miscarriage

In conversation with Jessica Chalk, founder of myStoria.

When Jess said to me, “I didn’t know we needed to learn how to miscarry,” the conversation opened into one of the biggest gaps in women’s health.

Miscarriage is common, yet the experience of it is often met with silence, confusion, and very little care. One in four pregnancies ends in miscarriage — and still, women are often expected to understand the protocols, know the procedures, make the decisions, and emotionally carry the experience largely on their own.

In this episode, we talk about what happens when a pregnancy ends, and what kind of support is often missing in that moment. We explore the medical gap, the emotional weight of loss, the need for self-advocacy, and the founder story behind myStoria — what Jess was trying to build, and why.

This is a conversation about miscarriage, reproductive health, navigating care, and the support women deserve before, during, and after loss.

A gift from Jess and myStoria
Jess has generously offered Get Obsessed listeners a complimentary 3-month upgrade to myStoria.

Use code: PWGAFUDL
About Jess
Jessica Chalk is the founder of myStoria, a reproductive health platform built to help patients hold less, move forward, and bridge the gap between what they know about their bodies and the care they deserve.

myStoria supports patients through complex reproductive health journeys by helping them organize their history, better understand their options, and show up to appointments more informed. Grounded in clinical evidence and shaped by real patient experience, the platform is designed to make care feel more connected, useful, and human.

Connect with Jess and myStoria:
https://www.mystoria.com/

AI, Cancer Care, and the Gap Between the Clinical Encounter and the Rest of Your Life

In conversation with Ellyn Winters Robinson, founder of Ask Ellyn.

Medicine treats the disease. Storytelling treats the person.

That sentence, from this conversation with Ellyn Winters Robinson, names something most healthcare systems are not built to hold. The clinical encounter is real, necessary, and often life-saving. It is also limited. What happens between appointments is the rest of a person’s life.

Ellyn describes the experience of being newly diagnosed as “being enrolled in a university you did not apply to, where the curriculum is your own life.” In this episode, we talk about the language gap, the impossible coordination, and the loneliness of becoming an expert in something you never wanted to study.

We talk about what Ask Ellyn does and does not do. We talk about the ethics of building AI for patients in some of the most vulnerable moments of their lives. We talk about the space between fifteen-minute appointments and the rest of the year — and why being heard in real time may be one of the most meaningful forms of care available inside that space.

About Ellyn
Ellyn Winters Robinson is the founder of Ask Ellyn, an AI cancer companion created for patients moving through diagnosis, treatment, and the long aftermath of cancer.

Her work sits at the intersection of patient experience, language, and AI — using technology not to replace clinical care, but to support the space the clinical encounter cannot always hold.

Ellyn built Ask Ellyn from her own diagnosis: from the language she had to create in real time, from the questions that could not be answered in fifteen-minute appointments, and from the loneliness of becoming an unwilling expert in her own disease.

Ask Ellyn is the tool she wishes she had — and the one she is now building for the women and men who come after her.

Heart failure in women can be hard to recognize — Jenny Milne was 23 when her symptoms were initially attributed to a gallbladder problem.

Jenny Milne — heart failure survivor and community engagement manager at the HeartLife Foundation — shares what her experience taught her about how heart disease can present in women, especially younger women, and the support and advocacy work she's done since.

This episode is about a diagnosis journey, the gap in research and recognition around women's heart disease, and what self-advocacy in the medical system can look like.

It's for anyone curious about how heart disease can present in women, or interested in the work of patient advocacy.

In this episode:

• The diagnosis journey
• Why heart disease in women is under-recognized
• How symptoms can present differently
• Self-advocacy, second opinions, and continuity of care
• The HeartLife Foundation and its women's division

This episode includes honest discussion of serious illness, mortality and grief.

Full episode and more at nataliekakon.com Guest: Jenny Milne, heart failure survivor and community engagement manager, HeartLife Foundation

Bodyworker Tony Eng on craniosacral therapy visceral and neural manipulation, brain therapy  and the kind of bodywork that listens before it acts.

After twenty years of practice, Tony approaches the body as one interconnected system — treating the whole person rather than chasing symptoms, and creating the safety the body needs before any real change can happen.

It's for anyone who wants bodywork that listens before it acts, and goes beneath the symptom to the cause.

In this episode:

• Listening to the body as the foundation of bodywork
• Why "symptom chasing" misses the real cause
• How the nervous system and endocrine system signal each other
• Why fascia is a protector, and why "releasing" it can backfire
• What craniosacral therapy actually does, and how it differs from massage

Full episode and more at nataliekakon.com Guest: Tony Eng, bodyworker specializing in craniosacral, visceral and neural work

About Tony:

Tony Eng is a certified massage therapist, yoga and bodywork instructor who has spent over two decades exploring the world of bodywork. He specializes in approaches including Cranio-Sacral Therapy, Visceral Manipulation, Neural Manipulation, Somato-Emotional Release, Myo-Fascial Release, and Brain Therapy.

He treats the body as a whole, rather than reading symptoms in isolation. His extensive biomechanical background, subtle approach, and deep respect for the body's protective intelligence allow him to read the body — and what it is holding — from many angles at once.

Tony is also the creator of The Roadmap, a program designed to help bodywork practitioners understand the body as an interconnected whole, where structure, tissue, organs, nerves, breath, and lived experience are always in conversation.

Connect with Tony: Website

What can a strand of your hair actually tell you about your health?

Registered dietitian Sara Korzeniewski explains Hair Tissue Mineral Analysis — HTMA. Searchable terms: HTMA, hair tissue mineral analysis, hair mineral test, mineral ratios, functional testing.

This episode is about what HTMA measures, how it differs from a blood test, and why mineral ratios — not single numbers — are where the real information lives.

It's for any woman who's been told her bloodwork looks "normal" and still feels tired, depleted, or out of balance.

In this episode:

• What HTMA is and what it actually measures
• How HTMA differs from a standard blood test
• The mineral ratios that matter most — and why ratios beat single numbers
• What HTMA can show: stress patterns, depletion, heavy metals
• What HTMA can't do — and why interpretation matters

Full episode and more at nataliekakon.comGuest: Sara Korzeniewski, RD, FDN-P, founder of The Organic Dietitian, co-founder of Wellness Code Academy.

What if you've been breathing wrong your whole life — and never noticed?

Functional breathing coach Elsa Unenge explains how most of us drift into shallow, inefficient breathing, and how to retrain it. Searchable terms: functional breathing, how to breathe properly, breathwork, diaphragmatic breathing, nasal breathing.

This episode is about the breath as a tool — how it shapes your energy, your stress, and the state of your nervous system, and why working with it doesn't have to be complicated.

It's for anyone who feels tired, tense or slightly out of breath without knowing why, and wants a simple, practical way to feel steadier.

In this episode:

• Why most people breathe inefficiently without realizing it
• What functional breathing actually means
• How a slow exhale calms the nervous system
• Nose vs. mouth, chest vs. diaphragm
• Small breath practices you can do anywhere

Full episode and more at nataliekakon.com

Guest: Elsa Unenge, functional breathing coach, founder of Breath Curriculum

Thank you for being part of this podcast.
For your messages, your comments, your questions and for letting me know that what I’m putting into the world is landing.

This season has been incredibly special.
We heard from doctors, menstrual coaches, movement educators, and so many thoughtful voices shaping this conversation.

To every guest who joined m, thank YOU.
And to each of you listening, reflecting, and sharing… I’m so grateful.

Season 3 is already in motion, and the conversations ahead are ones I know you’re going to love.

If there’s someone you’d like me to interview, I’d love to hear from you.

See you back here soon.

Do you ever worry you're not a good enough mother?

Clinical psychologist Dr. Tanya Cotler unpacks what secure attachment really is — and why it was never about getting parenting right. Searchable terms: secure attachment, parent-child bond, good enough parenting, motherhood, attachment styles.

This episode is about the everyday work of connection: attunement, the small ruptures that happen in every relationship, and the repair that rebuilds trust.

It's for any mother carrying the quiet fear that one wrong move will harm her child — and who wants a steadier, kinder framework for raising a secure child.

In this episode:

• What secure attachment actually means
• Why "good enough" parenting is the goal, not perfection
• Rupture and repair — and why repair matters most
• How your own childhood shapes the way you parent
• Choosing a response instead of repeating a pattern

Full episode and more at nataliekakon.comGuest: Dr. Tanya Cotler, clinical psychologist

I’m joined by pelvic health physiotherapist Jennifer Nwankwo, CEO and co-founder of Nuvo Physio and co-founder of Elle Santé, for a grounded, myth-busting conversation on women’s pelvic health across the lifespan.

We explore anatomy, breath and pressure mechanics, incontinence, painful sex, hormonal tissue changes, vaginal pH, and the nervous system.

Jennifer also shares what she’s building next: Elle Santé, a women’s health platform and pelvic health app designed to support women between appointments.

Practical, embodied, and deeply informative.

Get in touch / work with Jennifer

• Clinic: Nuvo Physio — in-person and online women’s pelvic health care
• App: Elle Santé  — women’s health platform and pelvic health app (pelvic health network, resources + care plans)
• Instagram: @nuvophysio

About Natalie

I’m Natalie Kakon — founder of The Embodied Signal Method™ and host of Get Obsessed.

My work sits at the intersection of menstrual cycle physiology, nervous system regulation, and lived female experience.

Through education, mentorship, and embodied practice, I help women move from information to literacy — and from literacy to lived autonomy.

Explore more at: nataliekakon.com

Instagram: @nataliekakon_

What happens when you stop trying to take up less space?

Melanie Richards — founder of Happy Tree and creator of the F*CK Skinny movement — shares an honest, personal conversation about body image, diet culture and self-acceptance. Searchable terms: body image, diet culture, eating disorder recovery, anti-diet, self-worth.

This episode moves through Melanie's own story, the loss of her sister to an eating disorder, and the movement she built so that other women might find support and acceptance sooner.

It's for any woman who's tired of trying to be smaller and wants a different, kinder way to live in her body.

In this episode:

• How diet culture becomes "the water we swim in"
• The loss that became a calling
• What the F*CK Skinny movement really means — culture, not people
• Why thinness is never a measure of health
• Coming back to your body with kindness

This episode includes an honest discussion of eating disorders and the loss of a loved one. If you're struggling, support is available through the National Alliance for Eating Disorders helpline.

Full episode and more at nataliekakon.comGuest: Melanie Richards, founder of Happy Tree and creator of the F*CK Skinny movement