White House acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney acknowledged on Thursday that President Trump expected concessions from Ukraine's president in exchange for engagement — but said that's just how business is done in diplomacy. Plus, ambassador Sondland testifies before Congress. This episode: political correspondent Asma Khalid, White House reporter Ayesha Rascoe, and justice correspondent Ryan Lucas. Email the show at [email protected]. Find and support your local public radio station at npr.org/stations.

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