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  • Talking with Paul Langlois

    jD, Pete, and Tim welcome Paul Langlois to the show to talk about his new record Guess What.

    Tracks

    Will to Fight

    Desperation Calling

    638 Main

    Guess What

    Transcript

    Track 1:

    [0:03] Well, I would see him working away in Timothee's from time to time, like I would walk past Timothee's and there would be Gord Downie sitting there on a laptop and, you know,my reaction as a super fan is like, I got to go in and say hi. 

    And then, and then as the same super fan, I'm like, what if he's writing? 

    Well, what if he's writing the next fucking great song? And I'm the asshole who interrupts that, right? 


    Track 6:

    [0:28] Well, he would have been writing something, but he kind of put the songs together after. 


    Track 1:

    [0:35] Oh, gotcha. Okay. Okay, gotcha. 


    Track 6:

    [0:38] So, how is my signal? Because I can hotspot. It could be better. 


    Track 1:

    [0:41] No, this is good. You're coming through great. 


    Track 4:

    [0:43] It's great. 


    Track 5:

    [0:44] Okay. 


    Track 1:

    [0:44] It looks like a nice day. Are you outside? 


    Track 6:

    [0:47] I'm outside. 


    Track 1:

    [0:49] That's great. 


    Track 6:

    [0:49] These are my little sister's paintings. Yeah, I sort of had a thing built where I can live outside and just be Oh, man Shelter shelter up there, you know, yeah So I spend a lot of time outhere. 

    So I'm in downtown Kingston ish like about five blocks from the center of downtown and Cool. 

    Yeah, so I like it here. We've been here like five years ever since the kids left Nice, nice. 


    Track 5:

    [1:23] Just the two you have? Sorry. 


    Track 6:

    [1:26] Two girls, yeah. And they're both kind of making their way in Toronto, 27 and 23, and in their separate career paths. 


    Track 5:

    [1:34] Okay. 


    Track 6:

    [1:36] So they're kind of, you know. 

    Fairly entry-level and where they're working, but Sure. 

    All right, and we just thought we Give them a break and they pay us far less rent than they would have to pay. 


    Track 5:

    [1:49] Yeah. 


    Track 6:

    [1:49] No, that's good I said and we've actually used the place because I have to be in Toronto More than I ever thought I thought I was retired and now I have to be in Toronto all the timeand So we stay there every time Cool. 

    Ah. Toronto hotels these days, you're saving 600 bucks every time. 


    Track 1:

    [2:07] Toronto hotels are insane right now. They're totally insane. 

    So the premise of this podcast was, I found these two friends of mine that are from different parts of the world, but they both grew up in Southern California, and they had not heard ofThe Hip. 

    So this is getting hip to The Hip, where we're taking them from not having heard them, and We go through the discography and sort of get their reactions as to what they're hearing. 

    Because you know, you guys are a cultural phenomenon and it's strange sometimes when you meet people who aren't aware of this thing that is like 11 million people watched the lastconcert. You know, that's staggering when people don't know. 


    Track 6:

    [2:51] I've got to say, great concept for a podcast. I did notice the title and I didn't really catch, like I didn't really know what it meant. 

    Yeah, I love it. I love it. 


    Track 5:

    [3:03] We're of the we're of the same generation pretty much here And you know Pete and I grew up with Southern, California radio you know, that's what got us into music and You know80s 90s. 


    Track 4:

    [3:15] Yeah the radio. 


    Track 5:

    [3:16] Yeah, I was making mixtapes off the radio and Middle school and yeah, you know, we didn't we didn't have the the hit playing on 91x in San Diego No, not a lot of radio play inCalifornia. 


    Track 6:

    [3:28] There's a San Francisco station, uh, K-Fog? 

    I forget the name of it. That's not K-Fog. There was a San Francisco station that played us, which is why we were able to, you know, eventually play the film or, you know, a couple,couple of days in a row kind of thing and sell that out. 

    But that, I think it's K-Fog, something like that. 


    Track 1:

    [3:50] It sounds very San Francisco. Yeah. There you go, actually. 


    Track 6:

    [3:55] Our radio play was random. Dallas, we got played in the early days, and Chicago, we got played. 

    So all the non-border towns, like, you know, Buffalo, they have Canadian radio. 

    So we're always, we ended up in arenas there. 

    Seattle, not as much, but then it was just random. 

    You know, we'd get play in some American cities and no play whatsoever in others. 

    So it takes so much longer by word of mouth than it does if you've got a song on the radio. 


    Track 4:

    [4:29] Sure, you know, so so so Paul, this is something that I are you guys recording, by the way? 


    Track 1:

    [4:35] Sorry, recording? Yeah, it's right. 


    Track 6:

    [4:37] Yeah, I just wanted to make sure you're not losing all the all the goal. 


    Track 5:

    [4:42] Okay, so we pretty much hit go and do no, no. 


    Track 4:

    [4:45] Um, because we're talking about this too. And this has come up a number of times on the podcast, right? 

    And obviously, you just were talking about some radio stations, you got random and play in certain cities, this and that. And Tim and I grew up at a time prior to streaming. 

    We saw that switch. So essentially, whatever we were listening to, unless you were in some like super niche underground group with the cool kids and shit, you were listening to what wasbeing played on the three main stations, right? 

    And we saw all the takeover with Clear Channel. We saw all that shit happen. Yeah, us too. 

    The thing that I noticed, and I'm not trying to blow smoke up your ass here, Paul, but I'm going to maybe do a little bit, so clench if you got to. 


    [5:39] I thought about a lot over the nine months we've been recording this podcast, is that good music is good music, and there's probably so much shit that falls through the cracks. 

    Here you got Tim and I, who never heard of the hit before. 

    We both have a lot of similar bands in common that we like, but J.D. 

    Put us on this mainline IV drip of the Tragically Hip since we started this, and at first it was a slow burn, but But now it's like, I cannot imagine my life without your guys' band. 

    And again, I'm sorry to blow smoke at you. No, that's not. I'm not trying to do that. No, I love it. I love it. But it's just like, good music is good music. 

    And I had a deep dive into Guess What too, and we'll talk about that, I'm sure. 

    Yeah, just it's if you're not exposed to it, man, then you're not exposed to it. 


    Track 6:

    [6:43] You know, I really appreciate that like it's it's like and And the slow burn part as well. 

    Like I think It was a slow burn for many people just because I Don't think it was that obvious like, you know, the early days were kind of like Oh, it's kind of like more a barroom bumpkind of you know know, um, really kind of not boring, but, you know, simple. 


    [7:15] And so, but I know that when we were writing and recording, When we were writing and recording, we meant to do that. 

    For these songs, the songs that we chose for each record, we believe that they would stand the test of time, that you'd probably have to listen to it four, five, six times before you start to,before it starts to grow on you, as you said, slow burn. 

    And I think that's better. I mean, there are certainly songs I love that immediately it's kind of like, wow, okay, that's a hit. 

    But a lot of times there's, even back then, you know, in the 80s and 90s, sometimes it's kind of spoon-fed stuff. I mean, it smells like Team Spirit right away. I loved it. That's not spoon-fed. 

    We're just doing this thing. They're doing their thing. 

    But there's many more examples of where it's more spoon-fed, where it lasts about nine or 10 listens, and then it's like, okay, I've had enough of this. 


    Track 4:

    [8:18] Moving on, when I do when I when I press play on in violet light, I remember and I told JD and Tim this I was like, dude, I'm not I this is not gonna work. This is gonna be a shittytwo weeks. We're listening. 

    And then like it ends up like, I just it just starts. It's like a cicada man. 

    It just burrowed its way into my head. 

    And then, like, at some point a week and a half into it, I'm rolling down the highway here in Spain, just like fucking windows down just like what? 

    Where have you been all my life? 


    Track 6:

    [8:50] That starts with Use It Up, right? Oh yeah, Use It Up. 


    Track 1:

    [8:54] Oh yeah, yeah. 


    Track 4:

    [8:56] Oh dude, Use It Up. Oh fuck. 


    Track 1:

    [8:57] That was the song he picked. Yeah. Because every album I make them pick a song and Use It Up was for that record. 


    Track 6:

    [9:05] It's so funny because I didn't like that song at first. I was like... 

    You didn't? Yeah. Now what? 

    We're reaching here, it's no good. And then it grew on me as we were sort of all learning our parts and playing it together. It was like, oh, I get it now. Use it up. Yeah, this is the best thingfor later. 

    But at first, I was just like, this is going to be a horrible record. 


    Track 4:

    [9:31] Oh, dear. 


    Track 5:

    [9:32] Well, I even said to my kid, I have a 21-year-old, I have 21 and 18-year-old sons, and my 21-year-old plays drums and an amazing drummer and he's getting into other stuff too. 

    But I played him some of the, you know, I don't remember which album, but he looked at me and he's like, are you sure you can do this? 

    What is this band? And the guy, does he sing weird? What are you doing? 

    And I'm like, I hope so, bro. 

    Let's see what happens. But no, since then, I've played in bits here and there. 

    And my whole family, of course, has been subject to the hip. 

    Yeah, same here. And they're now recognizing the hip when they come on. 

    I haven't forced them to sit down and hear an album, but that'll happen eventually, I'm sure. 

    But yeah, the slow burn has been awesome. And for you guys to accomplish that, I mean, you were in high school, right? When you... 

    Shortly after high school? 


    Track 6:

    [10:34] Just after, yep. So there's a university here, Queen's, so three of the guys were at Queen's. Johnny was still in high school, drummer. 

    Okay, that's right. He was in grade 13, which they don't have grade 13 anymore, but... 

    Yeah, so it was kind of Yeah, a long long time Yeah, I mean for that to happen. 


    Track 5:

    [10:55] It's like you know I have a My brother-in-law told me at one point like what are you gonna? 

    Do bro? You know you're 19 You're not doing anything is like I'm gonna be a pro skateboarder And I'm like dude you got a one and what 40 million shot to be a pro skater Yeah, come on.

    I mean, but you guys you guys were young and you kept at it, and you didn't go after careers I don't think I mean, I'm sure some of you held like part-time jobs or something But you guysjust kept going at it. 


    Track 6:

    [11:24] We all had parents that were kind of like very supportive but at the same time everyone was in University and You know, what's the backup plan my dad said all the time and I'mlike no backup plan dad These guys because I joined a bit later like a year and a half in they were covered in And I love them and Gord Downer is my best friend and he asked me to joinbasically because I was Leaving. 

    I mean I didn't think of it as a threat, but he thought it was a threat that I was just gonna go down Try my luck as a songwriter and He was like he didn't like that at all. 

    And so that's the other And when I joined, my dad was like, yeah, but, um, you're going to go back to school and you'll have a backup plan. 

    I'm like, I don't need one. 


    Track 1:

    [12:20] And so I'm just going to ask you what's the moment, what the moment was where you knew you didn't need a backup plan. You knew that early on, like that it was like you guyshad lightning in a bottle. 


    Track 6:

    [12:31] I knew when I joined, I went to all their gigs and, um, but whenever I could, like I I was driving cab, but Gord would always have me on the list. 

    And they were just like small in-town gigs, either at the university or at a biker bar or whatever, a few bars that they were playing. And... 

    I knew, like, and it wasn't just Gork. I knew that Robbie and Johnny and Sinclair, like, that they were just doing something different. 

    Now, mostly they were playing covers, but they had songs that never made it even to our first baby record. 

    Great songs, Heart Attack Love and Baby Blue Blood and, you know, all these songs were Reformed Baptist Blues, which was on Thaskadelphia, but surprising. 


    [13:21] But it was just like, God, they know how to write songs. Gord is unbelievable. 

    Nothing like the friend I had. Like as soon as he got up on stage, it was just kind of like, wow. 

    And so I just felt like, you know, they have it. And word of mouth already just in Kingston. 

    You know, they say you can't, if you're in a band and you can't draw a crowd in your hometown, then chances aren't great. 


    [13:53] But if you can, you can take that. And so we just would just gradually take it to the next town over, Belleville or, you know, Brockville, then Cornwall and, you know, Oshawa, justsort of like just took it up and down the 401, which is a highway around here. 

    And just, we relied on word of mouth. And then we started booking things that way. 

    Let's do three nights. So we'll play Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and by Saturday we'll have it full because everyone's gonna be going home saying, okay, the singer's crazy and the band isheavy and tight. 

    And so we built it up that way. I'm not sure if you could do it these days. 

    I mean, there's still venues. So I think you actually could still do it our way. It was the only way we knew how to do it, but we always felt like, we were always like. 

    We all had a couple of hundred bucks in general, you know, so it wasn't like, um, we were, we weren't, uh, not making money, you know, we were able to, and our parents weresupportive, you know, Gord's parents got us a van and et cetera. 

    It just kind of, um, we knew very early on that we could just keep doing it. 

    Let's just keep doing it until it goes south. And it never did. 


    Track 1:

    [15:10] I guess not. 


    Track 4:

    [15:11] Holy shit. 


    Track 1:

    [15:11] Amazing. 


    Track 4:

    [15:13] It's an understatement. 


    Track 1:

    [15:14] Yeah. 


    Track 4:

    [15:17] So I want to, I don't know if it's cool fellas, but I want to dig into the to guess what a little bit. 


    Track 1:

    [15:23] Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 


    Track 4:

    [15:27] So first off, you guys recorded the bathhouse. Yeah, we talked to we talked to Gord. What was it like three months ago? We talked to Gord. 


    Track 1:

    [15:35] Oh, yeah. Yeah. 


    Track 5:

    [15:37] Let's go. Yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [15:39] When his record dropped, he came on. 


    Track 6:

    [15:41] Pardon me? 


    Track 1:

    [15:41] When his record dropped, he came on. 


    Track 6:

    [15:44] I really love that record. I've told him many times. He's so funny. 

    You know, he's just like... 

    He's such a sweet dude. Yeah, he is. 

    And he's, you know, we complain mutually about having to be the singer and, you know, and just all the complications. 

    But I love his record. I've told him all the time. It's just like, it's classic him. just such variety. 

    But we're not talking about his record, I guess. Sorry. 


    Track 4:

    [16:15] No, no. No, he kind of said some of the same stuff, but your vocals on, I love the vocals on it. 

    And then I was kind of reading about what you did with the, in terms of choosing the band and what's his name? His name is, oh, Billy Anglin. 

    That dude is a, he's a freak on the drums, man. 


    Track 6:

    [16:45] Desperation calling oh yeah yeah when he does that yeah like what the hell is that he's a giant in real life I don't know if you knew that's crazy he's like I don't know I think he's sixfive Oh he's easily 250 must be I don't know how much away but well hey he's a giant and he was a kid that we heard about Johnny mentioned him to me. 

    I remember back when we first started, Johnny was like, there's a kid over at Elsie, which was another high school. 

    We were at Casey and they were at Elsie and there's a kid, Billy Anglin, and he's like five years younger than us. 

    He's like, they had the same drum teacher and he's like, that kid's really good. 

    And he played into his 20s and then he started a construction company and hadn't played for 20 some years. 

    And another The other guy in the band, Joe Carscallon, is kind of like a family friend of his. 

    And he was like, you know, Bill Anglin would do it if he asked and I'm like, seriously? And anyway, he is great. We just played a show just out of town. 

    There's a little quaint little town, Guananacue. 

    I'm not sure if you've been there, JD, but it's a beautiful little summer town, Thousand Islands. 


    Track 1:

    [18:00] Okay. 


    Track 6:

    [18:01] And we played a gig on Saturday night. And I was just like, for some reason, I was just kind of really focused on Bill and the stuff he was doing. 

    I'm very lucky. And the same with everyone else in the band, of course. Oh yeah. 

    He just hits them so hard and he's so big. And he has a huge drum kit too, like huge. 

    Where it's like, oh my God. 

    We pull into a little club a couple of weeks ago just to have a warmup show. 


    Track 4:

    [18:32] And the club owner's like, You know, the drums basically took up the whole, it's like, is this a Russian, is this a Russian cover band? Is Neil Curtin? Yeah. 


    Track 6:

    [18:43] Anyway, I'm going to tell Bill you mentioned him because he's amazing. 


    Track 1:

    [18:49] The big toms at the beginning of Will to Fight as well. 


    Track 6:

    [18:52] Right. That's what I thought. That's what I thought Pete was going to say. 


    Track 1:

    [18:55] Those big toms right off the start, it's like, oh fuck, this song has a bone to pick with me. 

    It's like, it's challenging me right now, this song, it's. 


    Track 6:

    [19:09] We've been opening with that one. Oh yeah. And Bill loves it, you know, he's had a setlist. 


    Track 5:

    [19:14] Cool. 


    Track 6:

    [19:16] Oriented and I always put Will to fight first and he's quite happy with it, he loves starting. 

    Like he is not short on confident. For a guy who hasn't played, he's played on his own but who hasn't played with anybody for 20 years, It's pretty amazing. 


    Track 4:

    [19:31] That's crazy, man. You know, you, well, it's because we're talking about drums. 

    This is something that's that came that came up a couple times in the podcast. 

    I don't know what record it was that we're talking about. 

    But I had mentioned and I said it and I said it exactly like this. 

    I was like, Paul Langlois is a fucking drummer. 


    Track 1:

    [19:52] Yes. Yeah. I remember you remember that? 


    Track 4:

    [19:55] Yeah. And and I said that because I don't remember what song and what record it really hit me like a Like a freight train, man. 


    Track 1:

    [20:02] It was in between evolution is what you said it. Was it? 


    Track 4:

    [20:06] Was it in between evolution? 


    Track 1:

    [20:07] Yeah. 


    Track 4:

    [20:07] Yeah. Just your, the tone of that, bless Paul, and just the chunk, chunk, chunk that was, I can't remember the song that it was on where it hit me and I was like, dude, I don't knowwho's drumming here. 

    Is it Paul or is it Johnny? Because I'm getting, because I've done that. 

    I've done that thing where you listen to each member of a band individually. 

    Like, I don't know if you've ever done that, like next time you, next time you want to have a good time listening to your, if you like Rush, I mean, I like Rush. Who doesn't? 


    Track 6:

    [20:40] I love Rush. I love Rush. 


    Track 4:

    [20:42] Take it, take a Rush tune or watch maybe a live, live recording and focus on one. 

    Watch it three times and focus on one musician each time. And you'll just see something new every time. 


    Track 6:

    [20:54] I love that idea. Yeah. I love that idea. And thanks for that. 

    On my first solo record, because I always thought... 

    I got a drum kit when I was 30 as a birthday present, and it was Johnny's kit. 

    Well, he set it up. And so my wife got it for me, Joanne. 

    And then, so I was just drumming secretly in the basement, just because I always wanted to try it. 

    And so my very first record, Fix His Head, which was like, I don't know, 15 years ago or something. 


    Track 1:

    [21:27] 2010, yeah. 


    Track 6:

    [21:30] Yeah, so 13 years ago and... 

    I was just on my own. It was just me. And really, I was in there, in our studio, just with the engineer. Like, it's quite awkward, really. 

    Because it's just the two of us, you know? I'm like, Aaron, you go outside or go do what you're going to do. 

    Just give me the song on a loop. And I'm just going to play the song. 

    And if I get a good one, I'll run into into the control room and push the space bar and stop it. 

    And so that's how I drummed, really, because I just didn't like him kind of just being bored in there, probably on his phone. Yeah. 


    Track 5:

    [22:10] Hovering. 


    Track 6:

    [22:11] So anyway, I did all the drumming on Fix His Head. And it's not stellar drumming, but I was happy enough with it that it passed. 

    I mean, it would have been way, if Johnny or Billy Anglin was playing, obviously, it would have been way, way better. 

    But I wanted it to be a private record. I didn't really want to put it out. 


    Track 1:

    [22:33] That's crazy. That's so crazy. But it's interesting you say that. 

    I have a question for you that's been bothering me since your new record came out. Your new record is called Guess What, and it's the Paul Langlois band. 

    But I go back into my old records that I have. I have them in Apple, so they're digital. 

    And they say, like, fix this head, says Paul Langelois band now on it. 

    But wasn't it just Paul Langelois before? 


    Track 6:

    [23:02] Yes. 


    Track 1:

    [23:03] Oh, so I'm not going crazy. 


    Track 6:

    [23:06] Yeah, no, you're not crazy. You're not going crazy. 

    I mean, it drives me a bit crazy, really, the thought. And Joanne hates, hates Paul Langlois Band, hates that there's no the. Oh, really? 


    Track 1:

    [23:19] She's like, Jake. 


    Track 6:

    [23:22] Yeah, the hips are my manager. My manager is also the hips manager, Jake Gould. He does a great job, but he was kind of, he was very in favor of just Paul Langlois Band. And I'mlike, okay, that's awkward, though. 

    Wouldn't you say the Paul Langlois band? 


    Track 1:

    [23:39] Yeah. 


    Track 6:

    [23:40] Two guys in the band, Greg Ball especially, was like, no, Paul Langlois. 

    Don't say Paul Langlois band, your first two records were Paul Langlois, so just Paul Langlois. 

    And through the agents and all the people booking and stuff, it's like, well, the Paul Langlois band would probably be more appealing as an act to book, because I was trying to playfestivals this summer. 

    And so I was like, okay. And then it's like, oh, by the way, we gotta go back. 

    And it's all because of Spotify. Everything's because of Spotify these days. 


    Track 1:

    [24:15] Oh, God. 


    Track 6:

    [24:17] You gotta go back and call your first two records Paul Langlois banned because if someone searches, I don't understand it, but the algorithm, whatever it is, if someone searches,guess what, Paul Langlois banned, my first two records aren't gonna come up. 

    And so that convinced me. I'm like, I want my first workers to come up. 


    Track 5:

    [24:36] It happens. 


    Track 4:

    [24:37] But that's the same thing with Malcolmus and the Jicks. Do you guys, I don't know if you guys know that. He has the same, that's a weird thing on Spotify. 

    They want it to come up. 

    They wanted to come up the other records so everybody can access all the music. 

    And I get it because you also want people to listen to your, you know, your other records. But it's also like that. 


    Track 6:

    [24:59] Yeah, I would like that. But I get it. But I hate it. You know, it's, it's, it's silly. It's silly. 


    Track 4:

    [25:04] Me too. 


    Track 6:

    [25:05] Paul Langlois would come up. Just if I call this the Paul Langlois band, which is- Change the algorithm, man. 


    Track 4:

    [25:13] Change the search bar. Like make them both come up. 


    Track 1:

    [25:16] Jesus Christ. 


    Track 5:

    [25:18] That's funny you mention that Paul, at one point during our discography review of you guys I said, yeah, I love this whole process but the hip has totally fucked up my algorithm inSpotify. 

    Like every time I play something now it's like something associated with the hip. It's like all these other bands but I have discovered some other bands. 


    Track 1:

    [25:39] We were talking one day, Tim and I were talking, I was out for a walk and he's like, you're going to get a kick out of this, Paul, cause he's like, who is April wine? 

    Oh, really? And I was like, April wine is like a seminal Canadian. 


    Track 5:

    [25:52] Absolutely. Many, many hits. 


    Track 6:

    [25:53] Big band. Good hits. Good. Yeah. 


    Track 5:

    [25:59] Yeah, they're, they're fucking cool. Like I would, that was a fun surprise for me. That was, you know, thanks to the algorithm. 

    So, but that, but that was, that was one of those things, you know, So 10 years, 10 years between Not Guilty and Guess What? 


    Track 1:

    [26:18] Yeah. Not Guilty was 2013. 

    Obviously that was a fucking giant 10 years in your life. 

    What changed singer-songwriter wise? What did you take from that 10 years of experience and put onto this record? 

    Is there anything you can lay down for us? 


    Track 6:

    [26:47] You know, I think I got the… Lyrics are my toughest. 

    That's the toughest. It's like finishing the bathrooms, you run out of money. 

    And so, oh yeah, let's go for the vinyl shower. 

    And so that's what I would do with lyrics. I'd kind of almost get, I get somewhere, but then I just stop and I didn't know where to go. 

    So I think time passing more than anything. 

    Gord, Gord passing. 


    Track 1:

    [27:18] Yeah, yeah, of course. 


    Track 6:

    [27:19] Time passing, the way the tour was so special, such an achievement on all our parts, but especially for Gord. 

    Of course. The achievement on his part was unbelievable. 

    It was unbelievable to watch, like from the inside, just how hard he worked and how driven he was. 

    Was, like he didn't stop. And so I think that kind of affected, that helped me just with lyrics. Time passing, the girls moving out, my daughters, you know. 

    And you know, now it's like in my 50s. And it's kind of like, I think that sort of just came through in the songs, Will to Fight, you know, just anything, just kind of like. 

    So there was that. I didn't think I would ever, like I just was not interested in songwriting until I got offered a gig. 

    And it was a few months away. 

    And Joanne said, well, you've got to do it. And I'm like, well, I've got to put a band together. I'm not fucking into that. Who would I get? 


    [28:34] Anyway, so then I thought of they're all buddies, Kingston buddies, and musicians, but they all have other jobs. And, um... 

    Yeah, and then we started rehearsing and playing and and It was fun and so I decided I had a couple of songs Okay, maybe I'll finish those and we'll have a couple of You know new recordsongs. 

    I was just playing my first two records kind of thing and then that was the end of August last year and and I booked the studio for November 7th, I think or 8th and And so then I had adeadline, so in September and October, I just kept throwing songs at them and I kept writing. 

    And so it was the first time I'd written anything in 10 years. 

    Like I just, I hadn't written anything. And then it was like, oh, wow, this is fun. 

    These guys are good. And so the whole record is live. I mean, I play guitar and at the same time, I didn't do anything except one scratchy vocal. 

    I redid one vocal, but we're playing live and there were very little fixes and very little overdub. Joe overdubbed a couple of solos. 


    [29:54] So it was just kind of exactly how I wanted it to be and it was very reminiscent of how the hit recorded. 

    You know, we like to not make mistakes, go into the control room and be like, yeah, this is a one. 

    Of course, we'd leave it mostly up to Johnny, because the drums have to be right. 

    He would always pick the ones that we wanted, without even talking about it. 

    Okay, we like take number three. 

    That was a very similar process to recording in the hip or in the bathhouse, so it was all very inspiring. 

    So I'm a new person, honestly. 

    I really thought I was done. Gord died, I just thought, well, we had a good run. 

    It's sad. Yeah. But it was like 32 naturally years actively together. 

    It's been longer now, but you know, all of us together playing and it wasn't like a five-year run, you know? And so I just thought, okay, that's good. But you know, yeah, we did it. 

    And I'm just going to move on and come up with other things. 


    Track 4:

    [31:07] I just didn't come up with anything else. No, but 638 Main says, like, I got a window into the song where you were at with this record and what kind of the question that JD asked. 

    Like that I was like, okay, I see kind of where Paul's Brain was at with this record and like that's fucking cool, man. I'm so happy for you, dude I don't know. 

    I had the same shit too before we recorded like before I Jumped in with this band that I'm in man. 

    I was just kind of like, all right, I'm done playing music and then you fall in and then you get a band together and then you're like Like, oh, this is fucking, this is fun, man. This is rightwhere it should be. 


    Track 6:

    [31:52] Yeah, you forget how fun it is. I did. And it's funny you mentioned 638 Maine. 

    Not many people, but I have a couple of quirky friends that are like 638 Maine, man. I love that one. Whereas most of my friends, I'm sure they've never mentioned that song. 

    I don't think it's necessarily a skipper, but it's an odd one. 


    Track 4:

    [32:14] And basically- That's what's cool about it. 


    Track 6:

    [32:17] Yeah, it's, you know, to me, it's cool, because I made it up on the spot. 

    I didn't have anything written down. 

    And I just pictured myself. 


    Track 1:

    [32:26] What? 


    Track 6:

    [32:26] Like I'm talking about what it's like to be in a studio. And we were in there eight days. And Greg and I, those guys were going, like there's a firefighter, construction, a factory shiftworker. 

    Greg's a waiter, so he took the eight days off. And I don't have another job, so I did too. So Greg and I were out there the whole time. And a couple of nights, it was late. They were all latenights. 

    And I was just sitting there, just like, oh, it'd be good if I could set myself in a bar to describe what it's like being in a studio. 

    I didn't know if it was Monday or Tuesday. It was kind of like, you're lost in the music. You're lost in the recording. 

    So I thought, and we only had nine songs, or nine that I liked. 

    And so I was like, I want to try this one. 

    And I just made it up. I just like set myself on fire. And then I'm kind of chasing the song. 

    You know, it's all turning out like it should or whatever the words are. 


    Track 4:

    [33:29] But it paints the picture, man. There was a hip song like that too. 

    Do you remember, Tim, the apartment where Gord was describing the apartment? 

    You know what I'm talking about? 


    Track 1:

    [33:40] Apartment song. 


    Track 4:

    [33:40] But that 638, man, it paints the picture, man. 


    Track 6:

    [33:44] Oh, well, thanks. Thanks. Yeah. I was, I was very, uh, very happy with that. 

    And Greg and Joe were asleep on the couch in the control room. 

    So it was just, I just laid it down on acoustic and then, um, and saying it. And... 

    And Bill and Matt, drums and bass, they played. And Joe and Greg were kind of pissed off because I missed it. 

    So I allowed them to add a guitar and backup vocal. 


    Track 4:

    [34:23] So anyway, I'm glad you mentioned that. 

    It's cool, man. It's a deep cut. Deep cut. Yeah, we're going to Kingston. 

    And for the finale we're doing is September 1st, but I think the day before or the day after we're going to Kingston. Yeah, August 31st. 


    Track 1:

    [34:41] We're doing it. They're flying in August 30th. And uh, we're doing a road trip to Kingston. 


    Track 6:

    [34:48] You're kidding. 


    Track 1:

    [34:50] No. Oh, yeah, we're gonna do it. Yeah. I've got it right. 


    Track 4:

    [34:54] Like I mean, yeah, I'm gonna be so dragon ass, man. 


    Track 5:

    [34:59] It's all part of this process. 


    Track 6:

    [35:00] That's what are you? Are you kind of Just doing it for fun. 

    I'll meet up with you either way whether you're recording something or not That would be amazing to buy you a beer yeah, yeah, that would be absolutely amazing Yeah, we check the redhouse. Just get in touch with me. 


    Track 4:

    [35:19] All right Let's do it, man. Let's do it. 


    Track 5:

    [35:22] Let's do it Yeah, we're flying into town and we have an event at the rec room in Toronto on September 1st. 

    So that's that's like our Our grand finale of the pod is we're meeting up and there's a tribute band, 50 Mission, playing at the Rec Room and we're doing this fundraiser for the DanielWinsor Fund. 


    Track 6:

    [35:45] Oh cool. And so are you going to be, is it an event where you're not sort of talking together or are you guys going to get up and sing? 


    Track 1:

    [35:54] We're going to record the final episode of the podcast at this event. 


    Track 6:

    [35:58] Oh cool. 


    Track 1:

    [35:59] So they'll finally reveal whether or not they're hip bands, which they've done a poor job concealing it. 

    It's so funny at the beginning, they would be like, Pete would be like, oh, yeah, there's this lick that the rhythm guitarist plays. 

    And you know, then later on, it's like, Paul Langlois, am I saying his name right? And then later on, it's just Paul. You know what I mean? 


    Track 4:

    [36:21] I had no concept of your existence, man. I mean, I was like, what's this guy's, who's this guy's name? 

    Now it's like, everything's off the tongue, man, but I, by the way, I gotta ask you, and I know they're for different things, but what do you prefer about it? 

    Do you like your telly or do you like the Les Paul? What's the, what's the one that you're, that you, if you die with the guitar in your hands, the one you want in the hands? 


    Track 6:

    [36:45] I mean, it would kind of, it would have to be to tell you, I'm playing the telly on the solo band shows. Okay. So, I've gone back to the telly. 

    I don't regret playing a Les Paul. I started Les Paul day for night on. 

    And that was a black one, Black Beauty. 

    But then I switched to a Sunburst, which I love that guitar. 

    That's my second favorite. 

    That's my second favorite. But the Tele for sure. That was the first electric I bought, like officially bought to play in the band. 

    And I'm using it now. And yeah, it would be the Tele for sure. 


    Track 4:

    [37:28] I never played a telly ever until about six months ago when I visit my family in California. I walked into a guitar center and I went into the expensive room that you're not supposedto go in. 

    I sat and there was nobody there. It was just a ghost town. I sat with a telly for like an hour and I was like, jeez, man. 

    I got it because I always played a Strat. I got a Jazzmaster, and an SG, but I never, and I've never played, I mean, I played a Les Paul once, twice, but I never owned a Les Paul. That's thenext on the list. 

    But a Tele was, I liked it. 


    Track 6:

    [38:05] Yeah, well, see, it's funny, because I find a Strat the most different guitar, and because Robbie played it already, and he was like, he had 15 years of experience on me, because Ididn't start playing until I was 19, and he started playing, he was small. 

    And he was playing a Strat. 

    And so I was like, I mean, I started out playing acoustic and after a while I was like, fuck this, I can't fucking hear. 

    And I had a big train ramp and it was just like, it was impossible to, I'd turn it up to, and I got electrocuted all the time because it was a old shit. 

    Well, I finally said, I'm playing electrocute It's a lot of telly and because I figured that telly is kind of the opposite of a strat almost and I've never really ever tried to play a strat, like Ireally honestly never have. 

    Les Paul's and Telly's I find are way more similar. The Strat to me is a different one. It's super cool, but it's just not my thing. 


    Track 4:

    [39:13] I just like the pickups, man, like that Steve Miller tone, that Buddy Holly, those 57s and those 59s, those pickups are just so tinny and, you know. 

    I don't know, I like that. Yeah, no, it's amazing. 


    Track 5:

    [39:31] So, when we were just getting into Saskadelphia, right, and I'm listening to Crack My Spine the other day with my headphones on, you know, because I want to hear everything, andyour guitar on that was just like, it kind of just sounded like, it reminded me of the Ramones, like you were just kind of playing some power chords through there. 

    It just reminded me of like 80s kind of punk rock, you know, and I just, I just loved that about it and it's been such an interesting thing hearing you guys playing guitar because, you know,most bands you got bass and drums kind of linked up as the backbone and you might have a lead guitarist but you might not or a rhythm guitarist but you guys were just like playing guitardoing your thing and it works and I think that's just such a cool rare thing about a band that you guys pulled off. 

    And then it's been so fun to then go on and listen to your solo stuff and hear your evolution too, because we don't get this opportunity with bands very often in general. 

    Like how many bands are still around or guys still around? Well, that's so cool to hear. 


    Track 6:

    [40:43] You know, what I would credit that the most, or whom I would credit, is Don Smith, who produced Up to Here and Road Apples, because he handled us, he hard panned us, left andright, Robbie and I. 

    So listen, I listen to ACDC, and sorry, but Malcolm Young isn't loud enough. 

    Like, it's like the guitars are like this. 


    Track 5:

    [41:12] It's true. 


    Track 6:

    [41:14] So Don panned us. And so then every producer after that, and our guy, Mark Breakin, who actually helped us produce our only record we did without a producer was Trouble at theHen House. 

    And Mark Breakin still mixes, you know, he mixed Saskatoon, he's been our sound man and our live sound man for the whole time. 

    Although he did leave to bigger and better things for a good chunk of 15 years or so, but he's back with us and he pans them too. 

    So he, so you can hear one in one ear, one in the other. I'm deaf in my right ear, So I have to listen to it twice just to. 

    You know, hear what Robbie's doing, the odd time I'm interested. 


    [42:03] But I credit Don because Don did that and he was super cool and we were so, he was unbelievable and we couldn't believe we were working with him. 

    He'd done Traveling Wilburys and he did everything and he was Mr. 

    Cool and he was just like, you guys just do your thing. 

    And this is when we were young, impressionable, you know, we wanted to do our thing, but we figured, you know, people are going to tell us, you know, you should be a bit more countryand people did, you know, a bit more country, maybe or something. 

    Don was just like, just do your thing. And he panned the guitars. 

    So basically, he, he, I credit him with my job. 

    Because people can hear me if they want, you know, if they're taking a closer listen, and like you guys do, it's kind of like all my parts are just naked on one side. 

    At one point though, I made a list, and it's an ongoing list of songs where I'm in the right speaker if you're looking at it. 

    I'm always on the left, and Robbie's always on the right. 

    Except more and more, I'll check it, and I have like a list of about 12 songs where I'm on the right and Robbie's on the left. 

    My producer decided to switch it. 


    Track 1:

    [43:20] Oh, funny. 


    Track 6:

    [43:23] Which is curious to me. Because when I put on headphones, so I can only hear out of this ear, 100% deaf in this one. Wow. 

    I always put the left ear, because that's me. Oh, shit. 


    Track 4:

    [43:37] And then you go. 


    Track 6:

    [43:39] And then the odd hit song I'll run into, and it's kind of like, that's not me. That's Robbie. 


    Track 4:

    [43:44] Who's this shitty guitar player? 


    Track 6:

    [43:46] We didn't listen to each other at all, by the way, not at all. 


    Track 4:

    [43:53] It's funny, dude. 

    Paul, when you guys did Trouble, man, and that was a record, I think Tim and I, I don't know, I'm speaking for Tim here, but for me, that was the record where I was like, it finally openedfor me. 

    And I got everything prior to that too, but that record was like, okay, this band doesn't give a shit about what anybody thinks, man. 

    Just gonna do their own thing. And that's where I was like, you guys grew into this just animal that nobody knew existed. 

    I don't know, man, that was a that was a break. That was the record that JD when JD flew to Malaga for primavera sound last year, he brought a vinyl and this is me still not knowinganything about you guys. 

    And he brought me trouble at the house. And I was like, Yeah, I do you remember? 


    Track 1:

    [44:48] Do you remember I mailed you trouble at the hen house on CD. 

    And you're like, I don't have a CD player. I was like, who doesn't have a CD player? 


    Track 4:

    [44:56] We moved here and I and then yeah, because we moved from the state. Anyway. Yeah, yeah. 


    Track 6:

    [45:07] It's it's funny. Just to add something, because I thought of it earlier, very early on this chat, you were saying something, Pete, that I thought of, and I'm like, oh, fuck, I thought ofsomething good to say, and I forgot, but now I remember. 

    So there was this band, there's this, I don't know that they're a band anymore, they're from Philly, and they're called Marah, M-A-R-A-H. 


    [45:36] And they're a couple of brothers. And anyway, out of the blue, the day after our last show, the singer writes Robbie a letter. 

    And he's like, and he describes, the letter makes me cry. me cry like it he describes his life and you know they got signed to, Maybe Steve Earle had a label, someone like that. 

    Oh, nice. Nashville person. So they had some success, but they just ruined everything all the time. That was just their nature. You have brothers, and any time things started to go well,they would kind of blow it up. 

    And then he described, he goes on to describe, he was out in the country on a TV at a cabin he doesn't use, but he happened to throw on the TV, and the CBC covered that show live, youknow, so it was live on the air, and he describes, you know, watching the show and what's about to happen, and what was my point? 

    Well, there's this thing in the doc that Robbie quotes him, like, what's going to happen here? 

    You know, are they gonna all bands either explode on the way up or on the way down everything? 


    [47:01] Burn out nothing works out and What are you telling me? 

    These guys are gonna pull the he compared it to a You know an air balloon, whatever they're called parachute No, like a balloon, you know, oh, yeah hot air balloon what they're all gonnapull it down and and land safely, like win rock and roll or something. 

    It's just kind of like, anyway, it was just an amazing letter years ago. 

    And I've always had the intention to kind of reach out to him and say, fuck your letter, man. Cause he, it's way more than that. 

    Another thing he said is he would try, cause this is quite like this podcast that you're doing JD. 

    He would, he learned not to play the hip to people, to his friends, to anyone, various girlfriends. He was like, I'd never do it. 

    If he found a real hip fan, he said, like because they're touring, right, in New York or London or wherever, as soon as he realized it's a real hip fan, they'd be at the back of the bar. 

    He'd take them to the back of the bar, and they'd have pints, and they'd talk about all things hip. 


    [48:18] And anyway, so he said, if someone came over to my house, and I trusted them enough to play the hip, And they started talking over the music. 

    That's it. Christmas lights off. Everyone's going home. 


    [48:34] He's an amazing writer. 


    Track 4:

    [48:38] It's so true. I said that to JD a couple of weeks ago when I was in California this last time in May. 

    We were driving to Joshua Tree. And I fucking hate when people put on music and they're like, listen to this band. 

    You're going to love this band. And it's like, you build it up, right? 

    I didn't do that. I grabbed my buddy's phone, we're driving down, I don't know, 64 or whatever it is, down in Joshua Tree, 29 Palms, and I just grabbed his phone and I put on Trouble atthe Inn House. 

    Yeah. And he's like, who the fuck is this? 


    Track 6:

    [49:10] That's how to do it. Yeah. 


    Track 4:

    [49:12] That's all I did. I played a couple tunes and he's like, who's this band? 

    I was like, oh, it's... And then, you know, cause you don't set the expectations. Yeah. 


    Track 6:

    [49:23] Yeah, no, exactly. That's how to do it. That's the downy way, actually. Did Gord and all his brothers. 

    You surprise somebody. If you give people warning, it's not the same, you know? Yeah. It's just like, no, no. 


    Track 1:

    [49:38] Expectations. 


    Track 6:

    [49:39] Yeah, and when Gord was sick. 


    Track 5:

    [49:41] It's true, it's true. 


    Track 6:

    [49:42] His brother was looking after him mainly, and I was mainly there to help Pat. 

    Someone would be, I wanna come over and see Gord, you know, because there was no tour in the future. Like, we all just thought this is it. 

    And I was like, oh, this guy wants to come by. And Pat's like, well, just don't tell Gord about it. 

    Tell them to come but we won't tell them about it. It'll just get surprised. 

    That's how the Downies do it. It's like, oh we're here. 


    Track 5:

    [50:10] That's cool. 


    Track 1:

    [50:15] Paul, I know we said 45 minutes and we're over so I'm sorry for taking more of your time than we should have. No problem. 


    Track 6:

    [50:20] I still got seven minutes before the next one. 


    Track 1:

    [50:26] Oh wow, you're on junket mode, eh? 


    Track 6:

    [50:28] Yeah, three today. 


    Track 1:

    [50:32] Oh wow. Well, any chance we'll see you on the road in the fall? 

    Or is it just take it as it comes? 


    Track 6:

    [50:43] Take it as it comes, yeah. Sort of trying to stick to festivals, but obviously they start disappearing when the fall comes. So, unknown. 

    So, I've got two more gigs in August and like one in Windsor-ish, Kingsville, and one in Bath, where our studio is, and those are both in August. 


    Track 1:

    [51:08] It's been great talking to you. So great. 


    Track 6:

    [51:10] Yeah, great talking to you guys. It's nice to meet you too, as well. 


    Track 4:

    [51:13] Nice to meet you, Paul. Thanks for your time, man. 


    Track 6:

    [51:17] Hey, we'll talk again. 


    Track 5:

    [51:18] Yeah. 


    Track 6:

    [51:18] Good luck with everything. 


    Track 5:

    [51:19] For sure. 


    Track 4:

    [51:20] Take care. 


    Track 5:

    [51:20] Thanks. 


    Track 6:

    [51:21] OK. See you guys. 

    Track 5:

    [51:22] All right. Cheers! 



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  • Like a pissed off buffalo!

    Ever wondered why The Tragically Hip never quite cracked the American market? Can being "too Canadian" be a legitimate reason? Join jD, Pete, and Tim, as they delve into these questions and more, in an episode that's all about the legendary Canadian band and renowned producer, Bob Rock. We examine Rock's impactful legacy, his ground-breaking record with The Hip, and why their unique Canadian-ness may have been a double-edged sword in the American music scene.

    This week, we immerse ourselves in The Hip's 10th studio album, dissecting the distinctive sonic footprint that Bob Rock has imprinted on each track. Hear our candid first reactions, our deep dives into the lyrics' amalgamation of quantum physics, Plato, and God, and how a short hiatus from the album breathed new life into jD's perspectives. From the booming drums akin to Stuart Copeland and Neil Peart's style to the raw, gritty sounds of hip drums, we leave no stone unturned in our exploration of this musical masterpiece.

    And just when you think we've hit peak musical analysis, think again! We round up our episode with a thoughtful examination of the album's themes of touring and corporate radio. We also give you our take on The Hip's Austin City Limits performance and an exciting, upcoming event in Toronto that promises to echo the essence of a live Tragically Hip experience. To top it all off, we take a side trip to Salt Lake City, diving into its cultural diversity and have a little fun contemplating a world where weed is legal in Utah. So, buckle up for a fun-filled, music-centric journey into the heart of Canadian music

    Track Listing

    Yer not the Ocean - Studio version

    In View - Live from Abbotsford 2009

    The Kids Don't Get It - Live from Oshawa 2013

    Last Night I Dreamed that you didn't love Me - Live from Montreal 2006

    Transcript

    Track 1:

    [0:00] Well welcome to getting hip to the hip I'm here as always with Pete and Tim and we are checking out for the first time a new hip record every week we do this and we have a lot offun doing it so this week I gave you the 10th studio record produced by famous Canadian producer Bob Rock Bob Rock Bob Ross right he's born for a job part of me make wishes I wasthat guy right hair and everything all the bands he's worked with just oh my god didn't Lambert four Four-wheel drive Lamborghini, like jacked wheels and everything. 


    Track 2:

    [0:48] Four-wheel drive Lamborghini. 


    Track 3:

    [0:49] Sorry. 


    Track 1:

    [0:54] No, don't be sorry. 


    Track 3:

    [0:57] Let's talk about him a little bit though, because he's done some major bands, right? 


    Track 1:

    [1:02] Yeah, really. 


    Track 3:

    [1:03] I mean, wow. That guy's portfolio is quite large. 


    Track 1:

    [1:09] Like from the mid 80s to the mid 90s he was like, literally. 

    Worked with everybody in rock. 


    Track 3:

    [1:18] Everybody who's making money. 


    Track 1:

    [1:20] Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [1:21] He went as well. 


    Track 2:

    [1:22] His last name is Rock. 


    Track 3:

    [1:23] I know. That's why I kind of wish I was him for that era. 


    Track 2:

    [1:27] Jeez, dude. 


    Track 3:

    [1:29] Bon Jovi, Offspring. 


    Track 1:

    [1:31] He's not as good as the producer Michael Indy. Oh. 


    Track 3:

    [1:35] Oh, look at that. 


    Track 2:

    [1:36] Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [1:39] No, but seriously, Bob Rock, he was all over the place. He even helped out Cher. 

    But 311, Skid Row, Motley Crue. I mean, this guy. 


    Track 2:

    [1:48] Which 311 record? Because Grassroots is just, that was a breakthrough, man. I don't know. 


    Track 3:

    [1:58] I'm not a fan. I didn't know that one. I'd be curious. 


    Track 2:

    [2:01] Their later stuff, it wasn't. But I bet he's a big Bob Seger fan. 


    Track 3:

    [2:06] I'm sure. He's sounded pretty significant with Metallica. I was wondering if you, If that rang a bell for you, Mr. 

    Pete. Yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [2:18] I mean, is this his first record that he's produced with The Hip? 


    Track 1:

    [2:22] This is the first one. He does two. He does the next two back to back, which they seem to, that seems to be what they do. You know, they work with the producer and then, and thenwork with him again. 

    And it's worked, you know, on a couple of occasions. 


    Track 2:

    [2:39] Oh, man, yeah, he's got a fucking dude this guy's got a He's got the hair and everything. 


    Track 3:

    [2:45] She's yeah got a rap sheet. 

    I almost Almost crushing on him Ryan Adams, right? 


    Track 1:

    [2:51] Yeah, So there was there was great anticipation I think amongst Maybe not the diehard hip fans because the diehard hip fans were gonna we're gonna buy the record regardless andenjoy it regardless. 

    but that that outer fringe that that had been listening the people like me uh that had been had been diehards but had in in between evolution despite you guys really liking it was a recordthat was divisive for me at the time uh i was just listening to other things and you know that's that's all there was to it so um i think that um i've lost my point because i was watchingJessica in the back and she's distracted. 


    Track 2:

    [3:46] Thanks, Jessica. Geez. 


    Track 1:

    [3:49] Geez Louise. Oh yeah, the outer fringes like me were thinking, well, Bob Rock knows how to produce a hit record. 

    Maybe this will be the one. You know what I mean? That's like, that's going to bring me back and bring back. I don't know why I was so concerned with their success in the States. I reallydon't. It's, it's, it's pointless. 


    Track 2:

    [4:14] I feel like it is something that is just fucking ingrained in you Canadians. 

    I mean, I, it's like this, I don't know what it is. I think it's so stupid, but I get it, but I don't get it. I'm just like, why didn't we break through? 

    Why haven't they broken through? Why do you want Americans to like you so much? Guess what? 

    Americans aren't all that fucking great. Take it from one who is one. 


    Track 3:

    [4:38] In half of us are fucking idiots if not more not more these days, I mean, there's a lot of reproduction happening We're probably towards 60% now. 

    Just I would say Yeah Yeah, you know when I walk down the street I'm like Just ready Let's go No, but but you know I asked the bot, the AI bot, why the hip never broke through acrossthe border other than Detroit and where? 

    or upstate New York, wherever they were playing. And the bot was like... 

    This is my bot voice, it doesn't really exist this way, but the bot was like, They were just too Canadian. 


    Track 1:

    [5:16] Oh, really? 


    Track 3:

    [5:19] Yeah, that was a serious point from the bot that people thought that maybe they were just too Canadian. And I thought, wow. 


    Track 1:

    [5:26] Okay. I don't even know what that means. 


    Track 3:

    [5:30] Well, because a lot of the content is Canada-themed stuff, you know? 


    Track 1:

    [5:37] Yeah, but it's not in your face unless somebody points it out. 


    Track 3:

    [5:43] I mean, that was one explanation. 


    Track 1:

    [5:46] Yeah, I hear it. 


    Track 3:

    [5:48] Just content of lyrics. 


    Track 2:

    [5:50] I mean, if that was the case, for crying out loud, dude, Rick Moranis and John Candy would have never been accepted into popular culture in the United States. 

    That can't be it. Yeah, wrong. 


    Track 3:

    [6:04] Maybe so because I was thinking, what about the boss? You know, or, I mean, all these artists that sell out concerts around the world. 

    Yeah, was Bruce Springsteen to American? God forbid. 


    Track 2:

    [6:19] Yeah, a little too American for me. Definitely. 


    Track 3:

    [6:22] By the way, those blue jeans, pretty handsome. Wow. 


    Track 2:

    [6:27] And you mentioned Metallica, Tim and JD. He didn't just produce Metallica, but the Black Album. 


    Track 1:

    [6:35] The Black Album. 


    Track 2:

    [6:36] Yeah. The one that like, I mean, say what you want about Metallica. 

    I mean, I like a chunk of their stuff. I have a connection because James Hetfield went to my high school. You know? 


    Track 1:

    [6:49] We know that from episode two. 


    Track 2:

    [6:52] Do we know that from episode two? 


    Track 3:

    [6:54] We do. I found this other podcast where it was really hidden inside iTunes, and it's about Pete getting beat up by James Heffield, like he returns to speak at the school and singles outPete. 

    I don't know. I heard that. He said they met at the end, but... 


    Track 2:

    [7:12] I've never seen the guy, never met the guy, but no, that record was pivotal. 

    I mean, that's where they went from heavy metal band to worldwide, like if you go to another planet, people heard of Metallica. 


    Track 1:

    [7:27] So here's, here's, this is exactly my point. 

    My point is they had, they had four or five really great records before that, that Metallica fans cleave to and absolutely adore. 

    And Metallica would have had a great career with, with, with just, you know, if they hadn't released the Black Album, they would have had a good career, you know, on the backs of thosefive records. 

    But they did release the Black Album and Bob Rock did produce that record. 

    So there was a thought in my head that maybe the same thing could happen with my band. 

    And that's ridiculous and arbitrary and it ultimately I know doesn't matter, But I think that that's where it came from. 


    Track 3:

    [8:10] So JD, you mentioned this album wasn't all that for you. Is that what happened? 

    Or what was your reaction when it came out? You said you were late to it? 


    Track 1:

    [8:20] Yeah, I didn't really get into this record as a fan until I really gave it a bunch of time. 

    And that was when we did the Fully and Completely podcast. I gave it quite a bit of time. And I ended up appreciating it. it. 

    To me, it's an interpretation of a Tragically Hip album, and it's not one that I think is the best interpretation of a Tragically Hip album, but there's some real highlights on it. There's somereal highlights on it. 


    Track 3:

    [8:59] Do you mean to say it personifies a Tragically Hip album? Is that what you mean by that? 


    Track 1:

    [9:06] No, because that would mean I would be be making it a person, and calling it by name and things like that. And in this case, what I'm doing... 


    Track 2:

    [9:15] Okay, you're not buying it a beard, dude. Okay, you're not taking it home, dude. 


    Track 3:

    [9:20] We're gonna cut that out. No, I'm joking, I'm joking. But with that, did this album kind of represent to you, like, this is a great hip album, it checks boxes? 


    Track 1:

    [9:32] Or what do you mean by that statement? No, I mean, it's an interpretation of a hip record. A hip hop record to me has backing vocals that I can hear that are Paul Langlois and GordSinclair doing the backup vocals. It's got... 


    Track 2:

    [9:47] Are they not singing backup on this one? 


    Track 1:

    [9:49] They are, but it's just mixed differently. It's like you don't hear them the same way. There's like gang vocals on this record. It's true. 


    Track 3:

    [9:57] It is a little different. 


    Track 1:

    [9:59] It's just, it's a little bit odd. It's like walking into a room that you're really familiar in, but you have like a feeling like something is off. 

    Like, am I in the same dimension? You know? 


    Track 2:

    [10:14] It's like when Howard, the duck landed on earth and, and, and thought he was like just home until he saw the first human. Right. 


    Track 3:

    [10:22] Exactly like that. I mean, that's what I was thinking. Yeah, like yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [10:27] Yeah, so we gotta we gotta blame Bob Brock for that then That's where I'm going with this Yeah, and he get like I say he gets two stabs at it and this is this is his first stab Yeah, andthere's a lot to like, you know, I don't know. 


    Track 2:

    [10:39] Should we get into the song by song or We should yeah, we should and when we do I want to I want to kind of comment on what you said JD Because I feel like there's a reason. 


    Track 3:

    [10:50] Let's keep going with it. Let's keep going. 


    Track 1:

    [10:51] Yeah, let's go. 


    Track 2:

    [10:53] Well, I was just gonna say, I hear you when you say I know what you mean by you say it's a hip album personified. 

    Because it's different. It's like, it's a hit, but you're like, something's, it's a little bit like Black Mirror-ish. It's like, is there something I'm missing right now? 

    Yeah, something feels weird. I feel that, you know, it's funny, I got to think to myself, like, what do the members of the hip think? 

    Because like, when they hear, if they were to be flies on the wall in this conversation, because, you know, they all listen week over week. This is a fact, we know this. 

    No, but like, for them, it's probably, I mean, maybe there were some things different, but they're just like, what the fuck is this guy talking about? 


    Track 3:

    [11:35] They were out front of my house this morning. They were just like, they're hoping to get a glimpse. 


    Track 2:

    [11:41] Pitchforks? For the first two episodes? With their machetes. 

    Yeah, Jesus. But I feel you, dude. I feel you completely. I do. 

    There's something, not off, but like, as the listener, it just, like, you'll see it when we start talking about the song. I'll point out a few things where I'm just like, yeah, it's saying exactlywhat you just said, JDS. 


    Track 1:

    [12:06] So where did you guys listen to this record the first time? 


    Track 3:

    [12:09] Man, I after we last recorded I had a garage project to do and I brought a speaker out there and Got in my zone and just cranked it up and out the gates. 

    I was like, oh this is gonna be Maybe a really fun album and then even during the first song I had I paused it several times and I was distracted and I had Things going on so I did likerestart the album and restart the album restart the album and that has not happen to me with my listenings. 

    So, this one just out the gate for me it was like... 

    all these things were happening but ultimately with the first song i was kind of like whoa what do i think of this it's it was i was a little bit perplexed so yeah after that of course just all thetypical stuff of how i listened to albums just all over the place i really gave this one a lot of time and at one point was like i need to hear this on vinyl i want to hear what's going on withthis album because it was a little bit different and I wasn't necessarily wanting to buy it on vinyl because it's like my favorite one yet. 

    I don't know, I just, I was a little perplexed by this album. 


    Track 1:

    [13:22] Yeah, yeah. It can be perplexing, yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [13:27] I was overwhelmed. How about you, Pete? 


    Track 2:

    [13:33] I did something a little different with this record which was actually good and not to my own even knowing that I was doing it. But I listened to it, I think I first listened to it was inthe car. 

    But second of all, I did some heavy listening right off the bat and then I took a fat break because I was doing other stuff and was busy and I couldn't listen to anything. 

    So I came back to it, revisited it and it gave me a whole new perspective on what the record, what it was, like really, really cool. 

    I mean, it was totally unplanned, but I think when you like, when you start listening to a record and then just listen a bunch over a week straight, nonstop, or like, like regularly, you don't,you look at it one way, but when you listen to it for a bit, and then you put it down and then you come back to it, you have a different perspective than I certainly did. 


    Track 1:

    [14:32] Interesting. Can't wait to hear more about that. Okay, well let's jump into track by track then. 

    We start out with, you're not the ocean. 


    Track 3:

    [14:48] Man, you're not coming in. You're not coming in. 

    This song is, it's, well, at one point I was like, Pete's belting this out in the car for this chorus, for sure. 

    So I was trying it too, you know. I love Gord's, whatever he does at the kind of end there. 

    It's a big song. I thought, you know, there's a few songs on this album where I'm like, this is amazing for karaoke. 

    And this song is just big. It's a big singer that way. Is it a breakup song? 

    Is it about death? Or is it like drowning? 

    I read a little bit on it. And there was a lot of Ontario Lake references. 

    You know, it's this, this was kind of, this for me was kind of a word song talking about lots of stuff. 


    Track 1:

    [15:43] They're called the Great Lakes, Tim. 


    Track 3:

    [15:43] The Great Lakes, sorry. It was specific to Ontario Lake because, for this song, supposedly, because all those lakes send all their, you know, garbage down into Ontario, which is themost polluted out of the greats. 

    So is it the least great? I don't know. It's somewhat of repetitive song. 

    I like the piano add in. there's piano, like first song I'm hearing. 


    Track 2:

    [16:08] A lot of piano on this record. 


    Track 3:

    [16:09] Yeah, a lot of piano, I mean that was, I don't know if that was some Bon Jovi influence in there or something. Anyways, the guitar riff feels a little added, like, you know, like weput extra icing on the cake. 

    Yeah, it was, this is a big song for me. 

    Big chorus. Holy cow. Let's scream it together on three. 

    You guys ready? Just kidding. It's a big one. It's a big opener. 


    Track 2:

    [16:41] Yeah, I mean, I think this song is, the best way I can put it, summing up in a sentence, this is fastball down the middle, tragically hip. 

    Like when I heard this song, it was just, just, I knew what I was listening to. 

    It sounded like the hip. To me, it was like, and I didn't really dig into Bob Rock prior to the record, but it's like somebody went into the safe in Gord Downie's house, pulled out theformula that is for writing hip songs and fucking followed it and then folded it back up, put it in an envelope, put it in the safe and locked it. 

    Because this song is fucking formulaic, tragically hip. 

    Not in a bad way, in a really cool way. I loved it. I loved Gord's vocals. 

    I love when he gets really high and goes like an octave up. You're not the ocean. 

    And then he goes, you're not. It gets really, it's just, dude, yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [17:42] And the wolf. 


    Track 2:

    [17:42] A lot of wolves on this record, man. And it's just, it feels really like, going back to what you said about this record being a hip record personified, it feels like this record wasmanufactured to feel safe and familiar for hip fans. 

    For people to like press play on the first one and just be like, okay, all right, my boys are back. Okay, cool. Okay, cool. 


    Track 1:

    [18:11] Yeah, I can't hardly disagree with you. Like, I can't. 


    Track 2:

    [18:15] Just the vibe that I got, you know. 


    Track 3:

    [18:18] My vibe was kind of like, are we trying to get an older crowd? 

    It didn't feel young to me. I don't know. 


    Track 2:

    [18:27] Well, this is what, almost 20 years on, right, JD? 


    Track 3:

    [18:30] Right, exactly. So, you know, fans are getting on in their years. 

    Just hold another conversation. Yeah. 

    The Lonely End of the Rink. So this one I thought was just remarkable in that it could be about Gord and his brother, or Gord or his brother individually, and hockey. 

    And I mean, this is the hockey song, right? 


    Track 1:

    [18:57] Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [18:57] They play the song at games? 


    Track 1:

    [19:00] I'm sure they do. I'm sure they do. 


    Track 3:

    [19:03] Yeah. Yeah. This to me was like, you know, the bot said maybe they were too Canadian. I don't I don't know. They play hockey in different countries. 


    Track 1:

    [19:10] That's right. 


    Track 3:

    [19:12] But not being a hockey guy, but being a father of two dudes and thinking about brothers, I kind of dug it. 

    The beginning kind of guitar riff start feels like we're getting into an anthem song for me right away, like that guitar at the beginning. 


    Track 1:

    [19:33] Yeah, this song is written to be played live for sure. 


    Track 3:

    [19:36] Yeah, the drum and the bass is just super charging. 

    There's this echoey, Pete, if you remember, this is echoey guitar. 

    100%. Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. So I've heard that from a few bands, but the first time, actually, Amy and I were in the car and I played the song for her and I said, what does thisechoed out guitar remind you of? 

    Well, I don't know, because there's a few, there's a few, But she said, Duran Duran, this is from Duran Duran. Oh my God, what were these guys listening to on tour? I think they werelistening to anything and everything. I think. 


    Track 1:

    [20:14] I think they were probably pretty. 


    Track 3:

    [20:16] I would love to know. 


    Track 1:

    [20:17] Pretty loose about what they listened to. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [20:20] My money. 


    Track 3:

    [20:22] That was, what was yours? 


    Track 2:

    [20:23] No, my money would be that they were, I mean, this says Unforgettable Fire by U2 written all over. Oh, completely. 

    Unforgettable Fire, that whole, like the records just, I was, I was just like, this is, this is... 


    Track 3:

    [20:39] With like a sprinkle of Robert Plant. I don't know. 


    Track 2:

    [20:44] There's something else. 


    Track 3:

    [20:45] There's something else here. 


    Track 2:

    [20:46] But the thing that was so surprising for me on this song was the drums. 

    Like, Johnny Faye's drums, like, I don't know if it's Bob Rock. 

    I don't know what, but like, I mean, I knew the guy's a good drummer, but this fucking song, all of a sudden he's fucking Stuart Copeland or Neil Peart. 

    Like, what the fuck? Like, I mean, dude, like the drum work is just ridiculous. 


    Track 1:

    [21:12] He's great. 


    Track 3:

    [21:13] I agree. I thought at one point the drums on this album were maybe the most raw hip. 

    I don't know, it just that to me was kind of, thank God the drums are that way on this album. 

    If they were polished into like a fucking Bentley or something, Bobby Rock-ish, can we call him Bobby? 


    Track 1:

    [21:36] You can, you're tight. 


    Track 3:

    [21:37] That might piss him off if he hears this. Yeah. But yeah, the drums on, I think, throughout were killing it on this album. 


    Track 2:

    [21:46] But if JD told me, if JD told me, oh, you know, one note about this record, beside it being produced by Bob Rock, Johnny Faye does not play Jones on this. 

    It's just, they have another genre for whatever reason. I would just be like, Oh yeah, that makes sense. 

    Like, and it's not a knock on Johnny Faye. I've just never heard any fucking thing like this from him. Like nothing, nothing. 


    Track 3:

    [22:05] Yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [22:07] Nothing. 


    Track 3:

    [22:08] Almost like he was angry. Do you kind of feel that? 


    Track 2:

    [22:10] Oh, yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [22:11] Like, yeah, like not, not hyped about the, maybe the recording process. 

    I don't know. There There was something different on his drums. 


    Track 2:

    [22:17] Yeah, dude, there's some anger in there. There's some, yeah, all the cool licks. 

    There's an acoustic lick in there and some harpsichord-style effect. 

    But I thought of you, Tim, because there's no, like for a song this grand, they didn't fade it. They ended it, which is cool. 


    Track 1:

    [22:34] It's true. 


    Track 2:

    [22:35] Don't fade this shit, man. Fuck it all up. 


    Track 3:

    [22:37] The momentum of it is really fun, kind of that charging, drumming momentum of the song. It's like, a few songs on this album are kind of locomotive feeling, like they just getgoing, you know? 

    And I think that matches up with part of, at least some, you know, a chunk of the lyrics of this song of joining, oh to join the rush, you know? 

    With Gord's voice just kind of climbing, oh to join the rush! 

    It's fucking great. This was, as comparatively to the prior one, this one I was like, ah, people must, the Canucks must love the song live. 


    Track 1:

    [23:16] Look at you representing the Pacific Northwest. 

    What's your team called? There's a trivia question. What's your team called? You don't even know. 


    Track 3:

    [23:27] Dude, I don't follow sports. It's not in my head. 


    Track 1:

    [23:30] The answer is the Kraken. The Kraken. 


    Track 3:

    [23:34] I don't even know that. And it makes me laugh because it's ridiculous. 

    You could have, you could have made up like the green zebra tomatoes. 

    You know, I wouldn't have known any better. 


    Track 2:

    [23:46] Geez. 


    Track 1:

    [23:48] All right, we go way out of the hips, normal lane, with this next track in view. 

    What did you guys think of this left turn? 


    Track 2:

    [24:04] You want to take it, Tim? 


    Track 3:

    [24:06] I mean, I'm just scrolling through the lyrics here. It's really simple. 

    The drums at the beginning of this one, okay, here's more drum notes, are really kind of big and strong and then it softens up. 

    It kind of softens up. Like the song to me, the rest of the music didn't really match the way the drums start which is I'm sure purpose I'm done on purpose but it's like whoa where is thissong shifting to it's it's like felt kind of cute there's keys in the background you know I was like phone rings once phone rings twice phone links three times you know it just felt like Is thiskind of a cash grab radio hit? What is going on here? 

    But you know, of course, I read a little bit about it. And there's like, references to quantum physics and Plato and Gorf's, Gorf's, Gord's believe in God. 

    So, like, is he calling on the Lord? This song confused me. I'm just, if that's not obvious by now. I just wasn't really sure. 


    Track 2:

    [25:26] Everybody's confused with you now and then. 


    Track 3:

    [25:30] It's super fun to get into and sing through. 


    Track 1:

    [25:34] It's fun, but then those lyrics are sort of dark, aren't they? 

    Like, I mean, I've been meaning to call you, I've been meaning to call you, then I do. 

    So this person, for whatever reason, has been meaning to call this other person, and it hasn't called them, then finally does, and the phone ring once, phone rings twice, the phone ringsthree times, and then what? 

    They don't answer? It goes to voicemail? Like what? Like, oh my God. 


    Track 3:

    [26:04] I mean, if they were calling the Lord, they might still be waiting. Who knows? 


    Track 2:

    [26:10] Yeah, I don't know that they have voicemail in heaven. 

    I've not been there myself. 


    Track 3:

    [26:16] Look at that, Jesus doesn't have an iPhone. Wouldn't that be awesome? 

    He'd be so big. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure who they were calling or what this one's about. 

    It's kind of fun, but I was like, eh, what's next? But what about you, Mr. P? 


    Track 2:

    [26:30] I mean, was this a single, by the way, Genie? 


    Track 1:

    [26:33] I believe this was. Let me just quickly take a look. 


    Track 3:

    [26:37] It felt damn written. 


    Track 1:

    [26:39] The first single. Yeah, I mean. 


    Track 3:

    [26:41] Yeah, there you go. There you go. 


    Track 2:

    [26:43] I hear you guys with the lyrics and I've been, I think at a certain point, when it comes to The Hip, I've come to appreciate their lyrics so much because Gord's great at what he does. 

    There were a couple times early on when I was digging into lyrics, I started to give them too much weight and it started to sway my opinion of the song, which is fucking stupid becausemusic is not supposed to do that. 

    I mean, yeah, it is in a certain way, but if you really like something and then you dig into the lyrics, like when you dig into the lyrics of the song, fucking, I'll be watching you by the policeand you really know what it's about. 

    No one's gonna fucking like that song and play it at their wedding. 

    It's a creepy ass song, right? 

    But if you kind of step away from it, and you look at it in a different light, you just listen to the melody of it. It's fucking it's a beautiful song. 

    This song is a fucking banger. It's an absolute toe tapper. I loved it. 

    I was fucking that the fucking keyboards. 


    [27:50] I mean, I just was Happy as a pig in shit listening to this. 

    Yeah, I couldn't remove this perfect pop song I am a sucker for a pop song and I make no fucking bones about it man. 

    You know, you give me a pop song That is just pure bubblegum and rock candy and I will just be like where do I sign? 

    This is this is this is one and I just I mean, I loved, loved, loved it. 

    Loved it. Loved it. I think Go ahead. 


    Track 3:

    [28:25] No, you go. 


    Track 2:

    [28:28] I was jumping into No, I just I think it's a song like this. 

    It's easy for any hardcore hit fan to be like, fuck that they sold out or whatever. 

    Like, he's such a fucking asshole about it. Excuse my language. 

    But dude, you know what, if I'm any one of those fucking dudes in the band, they probably had a blast recording this. They probably had a shit ton of fun fucking playing it live, becausepeople just fucking dance to it. And it's fun. 

    And anybody who says anything coarse about it, go fuck themselves. 

    That's my piece. Sorry. I guess I'm fucking myself. 


    Track 3:

    [29:02] So what about this? What about this? I love these lines, right? 

    What about these lines right here? 

    Day erasers dark of night excited states gone in plain sight under the wave or by cave light i lose things change but never in your eyes i mean that's the loaded bit of this song at the endbut you're just going through and you're it's it's nuts to me like i'm i'm hearing the song i'm singing the chorus like you can sing along to this one right even on first listen if you're a megafan you're probably like yes, phone rings once, phone rings twice. 

    And then this Dark Eraser's Dark of Night happens, and it's like, whoa, Gord's throwing the dagger at the wheel at the end here. 


    Track 2:

    [29:51] Maybe he's just getting shit to rhyme and to fit the song too. 

    I mean, you also don't, that's why I don't, I give, unless somebody's, unless it's like really obvious or whatever, I just try not to give lyrics that much weight because it could ruin a song. 

    I could see if I dig into the lyrics of the song, which I did not, Tim, it would've fucking ruined it for me. 

    I just choose to be like, oh, that's, you know. 

    It is what it is, you know, because it's that's that's another thing because Gord's lyrics are so They're like, you know 30% THC in the CBD like dude you one drop and you're fucking done. 

    So you got to be careful with it it's really potent and And and I I I take his lyrics with a grain of salt because otherwise like all the dude the And the Chani Wenjack shit, dude, if I reallystart digging in and thinking about that, it gets me like depressed and like super pissed off and like, yeah, you know, it does bring attention to it, which is great. 

    But like, if I can't, I can't hold that as close to my heart as I do with some songs, because it just will fucking wreck me. 


    Track 3:

    [31:15] I guess I'm kind of in the middle like I look into them to a certain degree and I either go all the way, which rarely happens or I kind of stop halfway up the hill, you know, but myone of my favorite things lyrics wise on this one is just his use of the USA calling the USA, the excited states. 

    I think that's what that is and it just made me forever want to call where I'm from the The excited states, the excited states, because it's so true. 

    It's like pew, pew, we're ready. 


    Track 1:

    [31:49] Oh my God. 


    Track 3:

    [31:50] We're so excited all the time. Excited in schools, churches, everywhere we go, we're excited country. 

    So that, I mean, it's a packed song. It's simple, but it's, yeah, let's just keep moving. 


    Track 1:

    [32:05] So the next song that we have to discuss then is Fly, which is our first song that we've heard that isn't a single. 


    Track 2:

    [32:17] I think this song is, the placement of it is perfect because you've got these three fucking just monsters before and then it kind of brings it down. 

    To me, I felt like it was, I'm in a bar in Alaska. 

    And it's cold out. But when you get inside, it's nice and warm and toasty. 

    And there are mugs of beer and there's a jukebox. 

    And like, it's a romantic comedy. 


    Track 3:

    [32:48] A pair of glowing thighs. 


    Track 2:

    [32:50] Totally, man. I'm telling you, man. 


    Track 3:

    [32:53] That lyric in here is amazing. 


    Track 2:

    [32:55] I know. 


    Track 3:

    [32:56] Coastline rise is like a pair of glowing thighs. 


    Track 2:

    [33:00] See you soon. 

    The chorus is a fucking banger. I just felt like this song was just a feel-good song that didn't slow... 

    like sometimes the songs that slow it down in track three or four, whenever that song comes on a record, it will maybe sometimes put you in a depressing mood or whatever, but this songbuilds up to some fun. 

    But it just, it does take it down a notch in a very nice, beautiful way. 

    I loved it. Yeah, not much more I could say about it. I liked it. I liked it. Tim? Timmy? 


    Track 3:

    [33:37] Yeah, I just thought there was some fun one-liners in here. 

    It's kind of, I echo what Pete just said. I felt like it was a good number four. 

    It's the guy batting clean up and you know he's solid for a single, you know, to keep things alive. And I think that's kind of what this song is. 

    It felt a little, this is where I went back to Bob Rock and I'm like, this is a little bit Bon Jovi-esque feeling. 

    It just, you know, that's that was kind of about it for me. 


    Track 2:

    [34:11] By the way, I think what you mean, and I'm not trying to split hairs here, I think what you mean is Jon Bon Jovi. 

    Because if anybody knows anything, there's two things. There's Bon Jovi, which is the band, and then there's Jon Bon Jovi, which is the solo shit. 

    I felt Jon Bon Jovi on that. 


    Track 3:

    [34:30] Yeah, well, I'm just more referencing like shoulder length feathered cut hair. 


    Track 1:

    [34:35] That's a lot of years you're covering there. 


    Track 2:

    [34:39] Well, I mean, Blaze of Glory was by and far his finest work, his finest hour, as was the film Young Guns 2, which... I'm with you there. 


    Track 1:

    [34:48] I'm with you there. A lot of the movies. It was great. 


    Track 2:

    [34:54] Oh, oh, God, I gotta rewatch that. 


    Track 1:

    [34:56] Let's go into the next track, which is one that I always remember from when this record came out, because I had something named the same thing that I had written. 

    I just think, this is me tooting my own horn, but I just think that title, that misspelling with the word sick, Which is journalism speak for there's a spelling error there. 

    It's just so clever. I love it. But what did you think of the song? 


    Track 3:

    [35:26] Yeah, I mean, I did speaking of spelling errors, I did read that Gord is quoted as saying it actually wasn't supposed to be world container. 

    It was supposed to be world contain her. Oh, really? guys yeah yeah so supposedly the the, you know the the title of this album is incorrect so maybe it's somewhat of a reference to thatyeah so was that I that keep going on the song. 


    Track 2:

    [35:55] Was she put into a parcel? 

    Because I mean, I don't know. 


    Track 3:

    [36:02] I don't know. Yeah Maybe maybe maybe it's hmm. 

    That's that's another that's another hit mystery that we'll never know wonder if she's was priority or first-class Well, she had probably would have been DHL if she was coming out ofCanada So who knows? 

    Yeah What do I have on this one, you know, it's I I just immediately went to, where Pete doesn't go sometimes apparently with songs, is like, who is this about? 

    Is this a proposal gone bad? Is it rejection? 

    Is it about being infatuated with someone and not having that feeling reciprocated? 

    And there was some bit I read about it that this... 

    where do I have the quote? 

    This gal from... I guess gal... Lexi Liu. Who knows? 

    Where am I gonna go here? Okay, so this person online wrote that it was about... 

    she had experienced that it was about a teacher of hers who was dating Gord and she rejected Gord's proposal. 

    And supposedly there's like a whole story there about Gord's, you know, one of his relationships. So who knows? 


    Track 1:

    [37:28] I've... I've not... 


    Track 3:

    [37:31] I've not heard that story. You have? 


    Track 1:

    [37:35] No, I haven't. Oh, you haven't? 


    Track 3:

    [37:37] Okay. So that, that to me, I mean, it got to this level with this, with this song and the lyrics and the content of it. 

    But for me, it kind of got to this level of like, all right, whether or not this one's about, you know, a breakup or what have you, it's, it's, um... 

    it's not my favorite on the album. 

    It's catchy and it's good. It's a good song and it ends kind of at this height of energy, right? 


    Track 1:

    [38:07] Yeah, it's not around long enough to be a fan. 


    Track 3:

    [38:11] Yeah, it's... 


    Track 1:

    [38:11] But it's not a great song, I don't think. 

    Now there will be somebody out there who it's their favorite song and that's cool. That's what's cool about music. 


    Track 3:

    [38:23] I thought about this one. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know when I'll hear, listen to this one next is kind of what I thought it was like, what's what's next on the album, but I'm curiouswhat Pete thought of it, of course. 


    Track 2:

    [38:34] You know, I liked it a lot. I mean, I thought that there was some really cool ideas, like they were kind of experimenting with with the song. 

    And I thought that there was like, chaos within that builds up to the chorus. 

    chorus, and then it just returns to the verse. And you're like, okay, you're like, what the fuck is this going on? What is going on? 

    And then it comes back to the verse. And you're like, okay, all right. 

    Yeah, we're back. Because it's a bit disorientating. 

    And, you know, Gord's vocals on this just singing for that guy must have been so cathartic. 


    Track 1:

    [39:14] Like, he really puts a lot into it. 


    Track 2:

    [39:17] Yeah, but it feels like he's doing it like he's a guy who like, you know, needs to exercise three hours a day at the gym. 

    And like, that's just him exercising three hours, and you're just like listening to him do it. Because he's like, I got to do this, it's like part of my routine. 

    And he's so good at it. You know what I mean? Like, and, you know, I want to just, you know, we can move on after the song. 

    I like the song. It's definitely not one of my favorites on the record, but I like it. 

    In terms of lyrics, and I just want to say this too, because I don't look at lyrics as much, or I don't look at things, there's a couple reasons for that, and I just want to say why. 


    [40:08] Because, well, for me, writing songs, when I write songs, it's really hard to write a song that's so thematic. 

    You know, that's like one idea that starts off and it's sewn up at the end like a fucking with a bow on it. 

    And like, even then it's like, like, let's say it's not completely thematic, but it's, it's about something. 

    Maybe not like super specific. Even that's hard. 

    Like a lot of shit I've done is just little ideas of things sprinkled in a song and it's like kind of of just jumbled in and thrown in there so sometimes people ask you about things you're likewhat and the reason why I bring that up is because when I make a Steely Dan reference here I don't know if you guys have ever listened to any other shit a lot of people give them a lot ofshit I'll take that as a no I haven't listened to an album no I'll say the same thing but I have no nothing against Steely Dan? 

    No, well, I mean, they're amongst people, amongst music heads, they, the biggest thing they get asked is what the fuck are your lyrics about? 

    And the guy, the singer of the band who's written most of them or the other guy had written them, they always ask the same question. What's this song about? 

    Because the lyrics are just all over the fucking place. 


    [41:30] And ninety nine percent of the time is just like, I don't know, man, we You are just coming up with cool shit to say. 

    I mean really like that's and their lyrics are regarded much as you would regard something like some pixies or pavement lyrics is just like super avant-garde, super strange like what youlike, whoa, that what the fuck is that about? 

    And then you come to find out it's like, it's just, it's just no, yeah, it's nothing. 


    Track 3:

    [41:59] Well, just random journal entry. 


    Track 2:

    [42:01] Yeah, totally. And that's another reason why I think I've been head faked a lot and I don't dig into to them because I will prescribe a certain. 

    a feeling or emotion to a song and come to find out I'm fucking wrong, or it's not at all about that. 

    Like, hence, I'll be watching you, or every breath you take, excuse me. 

    And then you're like, fuck, man, why did I play that at my wedding? 


    Track 3:

    [42:28] You know, I have to think conceptually with Gord's songwriting, like he is such a prolific songwriter. 

    And like, back to one of your first comments be like, I thought it must be, have been, it must have been exhausting to sing these songs or like be on tour and singing classic, you know, 52times in what, two months? 

    Something crazy? Like, god damn. 

    But with his songwriting skills, I mean, I can stop and hear one-liners that are fun and that I enjoy, but he pushes me, the way I receive it, it pushes me into going down rabbit holes of like,what was this song about? 

    And there's been a few where I've listened to him and thought the chorus was, you know, A, B, C, D, E, and I actually look up the lyrics and I have some of the words wrong. 

    It's hilarious. And I love when stuff like that happens. Like, that's entertaining. That's entertaining for me. 


    Track 1:

    [43:30] That's great. 


    Track 2:

    [43:31] Excuse me, excuse me while I kiss this guy. 


    Track 3:

    [43:34] I'm still, I'm still, you know, JD, you've, you've commented on this with me before, but I'm still like, here's an album. 

    It's like a book to me. I want to hear it start to finish and see if there's anything about it that's creating this novel. Or is it like this current album, which I feel like you can put in and put onrandom and it kind of doesn't matter. 

    Order wise, it's one of those types of albums for me. So this song, Lovesick, in general, it's big, and it has this kind of a quick stop ending. 

    It's got a lot of energy to it. After this, I was like, OK, what are we getting to next? I'm kind of like chugging along in this album, trying to get to what maybe is less produce of a feelingand more authentic hip. 


    Track 1:

    [44:28] But the kids don't get it. Kids don't get it. 


    Track 2:

    [44:30] Kids don't. 


    Track 3:

    [44:30] That was it. That was it. It's a fun start. It's got a good build. 

    There's like, quickly into it, there's this, I think, Pete, I don't know if you caught this. I think it might be a drumstick on top of a cymbal. 


    Track 2:

    [44:47] Yeah, yeah. Like doing a swirl. 


    Track 3:

    [44:48] Yeah. Right? It's like a swirl sound and then it fades off. 

    I love that shit. I don't want that all the time. I feel like that's the surprise ingredient on a pizza, but there's that sound in this song a few times and it's fucking cool. 

    You know, it's like, yeah, the kids don't get it, I was thinking. 

    We're Gen X, you know, we get it. We were born without technology and we've integrated and we know both sides and that's what this song's about. 

    Generations growing up just being in the middle of it and not getting it and all the hard work this band does and yeah the kids don't get it. 

    But then as I listened to this song probably 20 times I thought, nah, Gord's smarter than me. 

    what is he thinking about with this song, you know? 

    And it felt more like anti-government, like you're not gonna fool us sentiment, which kind of made it even more, for lack of a better word, more punk rock feeling. 

    Like this song was checking and way more boxes for me. 

    Lots of whoos in it, you know, it just, this one is like Bobby Rock left the room and the guys busted out this song. That's the way it felt for me. 


    Track 1:

    [46:16] Oh, I love it. I love that. And I love it especially because there's almost like a dichotomy of a lyric In this song kids don't get it and the next song, pretend. 

    I think it's. 


    Track 2:

    [46:36] Oh, there is. There certainly is. 


    Track 1:

    [46:39] It's that, if I ask you a question, are you gonna lie to me? 

    I said, honey, is that your question? Cause that one's easy. 

    And then we get the, you know, that, that, that. 

    Version of it is the banger version you know and the other version is a little more tone down but top heat what did you think of the kids don't get it. 


    Track 2:

    [47:01] Well that was the first thing i wrote about pretend obviously but in terms of the kids don't get it i loved it i mean i echo much of what tim said i love the chorus the no. 

    Kids don't get it. The woos in this song, Gord's singing like, he's like a, he's like a fucking pissed off buffalo. You ever seen a buffalo before? 


    Track 1:

    [47:22] Yeah, driven. 


    Track 3:

    [47:24] Driven by him. 


    Track 2:

    [47:26] I was one of those assholes. 


    Track 3:

    [47:27] They're as big as Volkswagens. 


    Track 2:

    [47:29] Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, they're huge. 


    Track 3:

    [47:32] You're one of the assholes? 


    Track 2:

    [47:33] No, I was one of the assholes that gets out of the car at Custer National Park and, you know, walks over to one. 

    and thinks like, oh, this is cool. Take a picture. And no, that's a fucking dumb move. 

    For anybody listening, thinking that that's cool, or that's ever something to do, don't do it. It's fucking stupid. 


    Track 1:

    [47:56] To be fair, the buffalo was having dinner. He said to you very politely, if you had waited till I was done dinner, I would have totally let you have the photo. But now I'm gonna tohave to run after you like a pissed off buffalo. 


    Track 2:

    [48:11] Just said fucking that is the first memory that jogged my mind when I heard Gord's fucking grunts in this song. 

    I feel like he, I want to watch more interviews with him. I really want to dig deep. I just haven't had time. 

    But I want to figure out like, one, whether or not anything Tim has said throughout this his pod in terms of lyrics and meanings, like I know a lot of it has credence to him. 

    But maybe some of it doesn't and like what he thought about it, because I feel like a lot of his words, he just writes down his poetry. 

    And then he shows up to the studio is like, Hey, guys, let's do the song or let's make this song or whatever. 


    Track 3:

    [48:52] I think he does that, too. I totally agree. 


    Track 2:

    [48:54] But like, I wonder how much part of it he's sitting down with an acoustic guitar, and like working, working songs out with the lyrics he's written, because that's a whole anotherprocess, you know, to like write a bunch of shit and then to write chords. 

    Like you got you got fucking Paul A. Wan and Gord Sinclair and Rob Baker to do that. 

    You know, so I'm I'm just wondering, you know, what that is. 

    And then if he was Scott, I wish he was fucking alive, man. I would love to fucking interview that guy or just talk to him and just be like, dude, what the fuck? And either I feel like therewould be two scenarios. 

    Either he would be super fucking cool and chill, like, yeah, man, we're just fucking doing this and like this and like this happened, blah, blah, blah, blah. 

    Or he would just like, look at me and be like, you're a feeble minded fuck. 

    I can't wait for this interview to be over, get the fuck out of here. 


    Track 3:

    [49:51] I think that's what he'd say about me. 


    Track 1:

    [49:53] No, I don't know. 


    Track 2:

    [49:55] Probably, probably. You're more nuanced than I am. But I just. 


    Track 3:

    [49:59] He'd be like, Tim, you're about 16% right on the themes of my lyrics. 

    And that's what I would love. I mean, that's what I love about this guy. 

    I mean, he's obviously so fucking prolific. I wish I had like a book of his poetry sitting right here. Because, you know, he's one of those artists where you get served up something. 

    And everybody, I think, could take their music a little bit differently but have this thread throughout it that joins all the fans together. 

    You know, it's kind of... 

    It's kind of what's amazing about them. And in that regard, who the fuck cares if he was writing about Canadian themes and the discussion of why they didn't make it in Orange County? 


    Track 1:

    [50:47] Whatever. 


    Track 3:

    [50:49] It's kind of like, who cares? How many bands not from Japan sell out shows in Japan all the time? 

    They just want to be entertained. and maybe people just need to be entertained and not look into it that much. 


    Track 2:

    [51:06] That's Stan McKe- That's Stan McKe- I- Stan- Stan McKeta? 

    Or no, his name's not Stan McKeta, but Stan McKeta's Donuts. 

    The people need to entertain, need to be entertained, Wayne. 

    They need the distraction. 

    Like the voices in my head. I thought you said- Why do they come to me to die? 

    Why do they come to me to die? 

    Oh my god. Oh my god. That's- You know, anybody- Wayne's World, like when he goes, why did they come to me to die? Why did they come to me to die? 

    I think it's Wayne's World, too. 


    Track 3:

    [51:42] Honestly, I thought you said spanakopita. I was just thinking about delicious, delicious Greek baked goods. I was totally in a different land. 

    No, but I, I, let's, let's keep moving this, this song when I heard it, it was exhausting and it was the first song I hit forward on who was like, give me what's next. 

    Yeah. Pretend. If you don't pretend and I don't pretend, pretending might end, but pretend can pretend to end. 

    It's like, oh, this is arduous. This was tough for me. 


    Track 1:

    [52:22] Wow. 


    Track 2:

    [52:24] Yeah. J.D., what do you think? I'd love to like, as a hardcore hip. 


    Track 1:

    [52:29] Well, it meanders. It certainly does meander. 

    If I'm ranking the 11 songs on the record, it's in the bottom 10, right? 

    It's either 10 or 11 on this record for me. 

    But I'm just so curious. I'm so curious about that stanza, like why he chose to use it again, and then why did they sequence those songs back to that? 


    Track 2:

    [53:00] Totally, right? 


    Track 3:

    [53:02] I don't know. I don't know. 

    love to know if they, you know, what level they took part in the production of this album. 


    Track 1:

    [53:12] Did they just hand the keys over? At this point they were very fluent in studio, so I don't know that they get a production credit. Let me quickly look. Usually they do. 


    Track 3:

    [53:22] I mean, this one I thought at one point after, you know, I did of course listen to it in complete, but... 


    Track 1:

    [53:29] No, this is producer Bob Rock, period. And most of their other records, even when it was like Steve Berlin. 

    It was like Steve Berlin, the tragically hip Mark Freak, or something like that. 

    So this is, this is interesting. This is straight up Bob Rock. Huh. Okay. 


    Track 3:

    [53:50] I had thought like the three of us need to do karaoke of this one so we can be like arm and arm I'm just shit-faced. 


    Track 1:

    [53:58] Pretend? 


    Track 3:

    [54:00] Yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [54:01] Oh my gosh. 


    Track 3:

    [54:02] I think we should pretend to do it and not actually do it. This is a total sing with friends, ironically singing with friends song. 

    It's like a really nice glass of red wine or made me think of like plush velvet. 

    I don't know what the fuck is happening. It's the song's candlelit and I don't know why it makes me feel that way. 

    And it was like, skip, oh, it was tough. 


    Track 2:

    [54:28] Yeah, I thought it was, I said, it feels like a love song in a fine dining restaurant during Sunday brunch. Yes, Sunday brunch. 


    Track 3:

    [54:39] See, we were fine dining together. 


    Track 2:

    [54:41] No, I mean, it doesn't feel, it feels like another band or like, now Gord's singing, And I know Gord had some soul stuff that he did. 

    before he passed, but it definitely feels like, oh, this is not a hip song. 

    This is some of the solo stuff. 

    There's jazz guitar in there, which I gotta say, man, I mean, it speaks to Rob Baker's skills, man, because that guy fucking, I mean, he makes it sound good. 

    The chorus feels really 70s, almost like there's a- AM radio. 


    Track 1:

    [55:19] Yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [55:19] Yeah. And there's something that they do with Gord's vocals in there. 

    It's a 70s style thing that came about in the 70s, I feel. But Scott Weiland from Stone Doole Bynes was popular for it. It's where they double the vocals. 

    They take literally I don't he doesn't re-record the vocals. 

    They take the same vocal track, they double it And then they put it like they put the one track offset by like a millisecond to the other. 

    So it sounds more full and rich. And they put put them in in one left, one right. And it sounds like gives this really weird, unique effect. 

    And Wyland, Scott Wyland was prolific for that. 

    But but, yeah, it's got that vibe to it. Fucking random. That's all I have to say about this song. 


    Track 3:

    [56:12] It's like having two turbos on your car when you record like that, when you produce like that. 


    Track 2:

    [56:16] It's like having 11 on your amp. 


    Track 1:

    [56:17] Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [56:19] But why not make 10? 10 the loudest. With the lyrics of this one, when I finally, you know, let it, when I finally absorbed it really, because again, I skipped it on first listen, Um, I,you know, maybe this is like a fucking, maybe they were pretending, I don't know. 

    Maybe the band, you know, maybe the band in their, in their career, maybe they're in their career at this point. 

    I mean, I'd be exhausted and to a degree with trying to make it bigger than they are now. It's like, you're in the industry, you are a fucking... 

    When you don't like it, you might be feeling like a marionette, you know? This is big, giant business happening with this band's career, and this is one of those songs maybe they have todo. 


    Track 1:

    [57:16] Wow. I mean... 


    Track 3:

    [57:18] Yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [57:20] Let's move on because I don't dislike the song so much that I'm willing to beat it into a pulp. No, no. 


    Track 2:

    [57:30] I don't know. 


    Track 3:

    [57:31] I'm sorry to offend all the Canadians. 


    Track 2:

    [57:33] I want to make one more quick point real quick. And this is not really about the song, but about the band. And I'll be really brief. My apologies. 

    But to what Tim said about the band. No, no, no, really. 

    This is the band, you know, being exhausted in this night. You have to think this is 2007 right? 

    These guys have been at it 20 years right? 

    They could fucking quit at any time in terms of like probably set money wise. 

    I mean maybe they're not fucking living in, they got three different mansions but I would posit to think that every member of this band is not worrying about where they're going to gettheir next fucking meal. 


    [58:13] Okay, yeah, they were when they did the 100% so That being said though This is a time where things were like through the 2000s, you know up through 2000 early 2002 thingswere like Record sales and all that stuff. 

    They were making a shit ton of money and then think about this time though, man music and Streaming was coming up sales for records tanked, all that money, all that revenue thatpeople were used to just disappeared. 

    And so I would imagine to think that this band went through a bit of a come to Jesus so to speak, and was like... 

    I guess we do. I mean, maybe they're not thinking we got to break into the American market like every fucking Canadian thinks, or we think thinks. 

    But like they're thinking we got to fucking make some money because this shit, the well has run dry, fellas. 

    And we got to- It's running dry. Yeah. Just thinking about the time of this record and the timeliness of it, rather than hang our hats up, we're like, fuck, we don't know if somebody is goingto buy... 

    What's the...somebody's gonna buy Trouble at the Hen House or...what's. 


    [59:35] The fucking power... Power Up? Phantom Power. On CD anymore or whatever it is. 

    And so, you know, I bet you there was a bit of pressure there like, hey, we gotta keep making music guys. 

    I know we're kind of over it. I know we're all friends here, but we got a job to do. 


    Track 3:

    [59:52] This is a mega transition time. JD, do you recall this? So supposedly this one was released a week ahead of time to stream. 


    Track 1:

    [1:00:00] That's what I understand as well. 


    Track 3:

    [1:00:01] It was on the band's website a week ahead of time. So you could listen to it online. So that was a big deal. 


    Track 1:

    [1:00:08] The thing that I was most surprised at, based on what Pete just mentioned as well, is that it still hit platinum in Canada, which is 100,000 records. 

    Which 100,000 records in 2007 is like, did I say 2007? Yeah. 

    Yeah, it's 2007. 2006. Six. It's right, it came out in 2007 though. 

    It came out in, ha, it came out in 2007 in the US. 

    But it came out in 2006 and came out about six months earlier, yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [1:00:49] You were saying 100,000 records. 


    Track 1:

    [1:00:51] To me, that's still, like, I mean, that's not, they're not doing Diamond anymore, but who is doing Diamond? Great. 

    They're doing... 


    Track 2:

    [1:01:03] People were still Kazaa and shit, and LimeWire and shit. 

    I mean, I... Right. Napster was shut down for the most part, but Kazaa and LimeWire were, you know... 


    Track 1:

    [1:01:14] Pretty big. 


    Track 2:

    [1:01:15] Yeah, you know. 


    Track 3:

    [1:01:18] So this is what I found. It was streamed on the band's website a week before release, and also various Southern Ontario radio stations. So people were... 

    People, the fans were digging into this one. They were getting glimpses. 

    They were hearing, putting on the radio and hearing songs they never heard before. 

    Like that's a different way to release an album. 


    Track 1:

    [1:01:39] Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [1:01:40] You know, compared to what they've been used to. So, yeah. Huh. 


    Track 1:

    [1:01:47] Yeah, I don't remember it vividly. I don't remember it. My brain was really buried in pavement at this time. 

    That's what I was listening to, by and large. It wasn't until I came back to it, and I kept all the stuff that I loved in my rotation, and all that I loved was everything up to In Violet Light. 

    And then In Between Evolution put me off, and then this record came out, and I wasn't there for the new cycle. 

    And the next record, I wasn't there for the news cycle. 

    So that was different for me, because I had paid so close attention to this band. 

    And then I didn't hear them right away. I only heard them on the radio or whatever. 

    So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [1:02:48] Last night I dreamed you didn't love me. I'm gonna I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say this might be the best song on the record. 


    Track 3:

    [1:03:04] It's fucking fantastic. 


    Track 2:

    [1:03:05] When the verse starts it just it's got a groove to it. 


    [1:03:13] There's something that they do in the chorus, I believe, where I remember it, this is gonna try to make it not too technical, kind of stupid, but I think it's a fucking cool trick whenmusicians do it, where like, there's, they do like a substitute chord or something that makes you, it makes your brain think, because in music, your brain always wants to return to the one,the home chord, the resting chord that makes you feel happy and resolved and they do this little trick where they they do like a one seven where you think it's going to be like a key changeso you're expecting this key change in the harmonies but it doesn't happen and they just go right back to what they were playing before and it's so subtle it's very Beatles very British youknow British late 60s rock. 


    [1:04:09] But it's fucking cool. It's just cool. And then, of course, you know, during this whole fucking amazing song, Rob Baker, you know, steps into his fucking lair and emerges with hisfucking strat and just smacks everybody in the face with a sick solo, which is, you know, awesome. 

    So fucking cool. 

    Yeah, dude, it's I love this fucking song. It's probably my favorite song on the record. It's got a star on it for sure. 


    Track 3:

    [1:04:45] Timmy, I'm gonna let this one shine. I'm gonna I'm gonna let this one shine for Pete. 

    My favorite part of it, right, right at the very beginning of hearing this, you kiss my fingers and made me. 


    Track 2:

    [1:04:59] It's so fucking... 


    Track 3:

    [1:05:02] And I was like, that seriously stuck in my head for a few days. 

    I'm walking around the house, like, that lyric's coming out of my mouth every once in a while. And it got to a point where I was like, ah, this, I want to, I want to fucking get some friedchicken. 

    Is that what this portion is about right here? 


    Track 1:

    [1:05:21] Everything back to food with me. 


    Track 3:

    [1:05:22] I know, I know, right? I haven't had breakfast yet. Where's brunch? 

    Just kidding. Yeah. Just kidding. 

    Yeah, I'll let Pete take this one. 

    I was reaching for a box of tissue really it's an emotional song it's an emotional song it's you know, I'm not rolling over in the morning, telling somebody that last night I dreamt that theydidn't love me. That's a tough one. 


    Track 2:

    [1:05:54] Oh, but the groove is just fucking... I mean, dude, when they fucking... 

    I don't know when they sing this fucking line, people lost their fucking shit. 

    I mean, I will lose my shit hearing fucking Gord Sinclair's bass just... 

    I mean, I don't know who I would stare at more creepily during this concert because it just fucking, it's a banger here. Oh my god. 

    And I don't know how much Bobby Rock had to do with this one, but fucking shit. 

    It's a winner, dude. It's a fucking winner. 


    Track 3:

    [1:06:37] I think he was holding the knitting needles on this one. 


    Track 1:

    [1:06:40] Winner, winner, chicken dinner for Tim. How about the drop-off? 


    Track 3:

    [1:06:48] Oh, I thought this was just a good rock and hip song. 

    The guitar felt a little kind of over-extra, I don't know, every once in a while, but I just thought it was a good song and, you know, don't go swimming past the drop-off. 

    I love that line. just makes me think of how small the world is, or big the universe is, and what is the drop-off. 

    It's the shelf in the sea of no return, these depths. I just thought this was kind of a cool song. 


    Track 1:

    [1:07:18] You listened to this one high, didn't you, Tim? 


    Track 3:

    [1:07:22] I mean, I listened to the album sober. 


    Track 1:

    [1:07:24] Oh, did you? 


    Track 3:

    [1:07:25] A few times. It was in the car a lot. No, but I like this song. 


    Track 1:

    [1:07:28] It's so high. 


    Track 3:

    [1:07:29] Oh. 


    Track 1:

    [1:07:30] In a good way. 


    Track 3:

    [1:07:33] Yeah, these were my notes. There's a trailing end distant sound at the end of this song. Did you catch that? 


    Track 2:

    [1:07:42] I did. Did you hear it? I did. I certainly did. 


    Track 3:

    [1:07:46] Yeah, so it's in the same family of what we hear with the beginning of Tiger the Lion, which is fucking cool. 


    Track 2:

    [1:07:57] It starts off with Johnny Fade tapping his sticks on like the rim doing like a like a rim shot a little bit on the metal part of the snare and every single person in this song has a... 

    this is the second song that I would say probably be my second favorite tune on the record just because every member of the band fucking kills it. 


    [1:08:23] Gord sounds like he's on on, like, uppers, either methamphetamines or something in this song. And I'm not saying like, oh, Gord's on drugs. 

    Not that that's bad, too. People do drugs, whatever. 

    He just sounds like he is visibly off his fucking face in this song. 

    And I'm just like, what the fuck? 

    I mean, there's not a moment where the guy doesn't give his all in any performance. 

    You know, there's no song where he does it 50 percent. 

    is 110% with this guy and everybody, man, there's a Pauline was, there's a moment where he just comes in with this rolling little rhythmic riff on his fucking Les Paul and it just, that guymakes me want to get a Les Paul so fucking much. Jesus Christ. 

    Yeah, well, yeah, that's my bank account. 

    It's like those, do you remember those old, I don't know if you have those in Canada, JD, but. 


    Track 1:

    [1:09:31] Bank accounts? No. Yeah, we have those. 


    Track 2:

    [1:09:35] Tim, do you remember listening to those Guitar Center commercials when they'd have like President's Day sales or something, or Sam Ash, they'd be like, Guitar Center'sPresident's Day sale! 

    And they'd say like, you know, BC Rich Warlocks, $7.99, Ibanez, $3.99. You know, and they would, it's all your card. 


    Track 3:

    [1:09:56] I think it was the same, it was, yeah, it was the same dude that announced the Monster Crush series. 


    Track 2:

    [1:10:00] Dude, exactly. 


    Track 3:

    [1:10:02] You know, like, Anaheim Raceway this weekend. 


    Track 2:

    [1:10:04] And they would always say shit like, musicians, you need new gear, but your wallet just isn't cooperating. 

    And they would like get you to sign up for like a fucking card. 

    They call it a gear card. It's a fucking credit card with like 32% interest on it. 


    Track 3:

    [1:10:23] Fucking Sorry, that's so yeah and nowadays the Guitar Center the Guitar Center near my house There's one like a mile away and I've been there with my son 45 times andnowadays They're often closed because of staff issues like people they can't go down there. 

    We'll go there and it'll be like closed No one can work today What a guitar center for real? Yeah, I went to it Fine. 

    Nobody wants to make goddamn minimum wage in this country. 


    Track 2:

    [1:10:50] I went to a guitar center when I was in the US last year and I wanted to play. 

    The Fender came out with these American Vintage Strats and I wanted to play one so fucking bad. 

    It's a copy of one from 1957 or something. And I went into three guitar centers. None of them had it. 

    And the guy basically told me, he's like, look, man, none of the guitar centers have these. 

    You can go to the one in LA on Sunset. They might have one. But he says, if you want one, you have to order it. 

    And because they have like a 30 day no questions asked return policy, you can order it, it'll be here in two days, you can play it and then just return it, like on the spot. And he says, andthen we'll at least have one in the store. 

    But like, that's the look because everything on the wall is mostly shit. 

    They don't even have It's like fucking rent-a-center. It's crazy, man. It's sad. It's sad. 


    Track 3:

    [1:11:47] Anyway, I get it. 


    Track 2:

    [1:11:48] Family band. 


    Track 3:

    [1:11:49] We digress. Family band? 


    Track 2:

    [1:11:52] Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [1:11:53] Yeah. Family band. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're heading in. We're heading into the end here. 


    Track 2:

    [1:11:58] This song's back to the basics. Back to the basics again. 

    Basketball down the middle, hip, catchy chorus, classic hip. 

    hip, Rob Baker doing the wah-wah, which he doesn't do a lot, but when he does, he fucking kills it. 

    I think there's a lot to love about this song. 

    I didn't dig too much in the lyrics, but it felt like the droves of gigging and loading gear in and out, you know, load the kick drum loaded, you know, like, just like I was, we played a gig inCordova this on Friday, and you know, it's, it's always cool because you fucking you have a great time, you play a great show, everybody loves it. 

    And then after you're done, you clean up all your shit, and everybody's inside drinking, doing shots, having fun smoking cigarettes, and you're carrying you're loading your fucking ampout to your car and your guitars and it's quiet and you're like fuck this sucks. 


    Track 3:

    [1:13:02] I wish I had roadies. That's exactly what my sentiment was for this one. 

    The same thing. Same thing. JD, the video you sent us, the full-fledged Vanity, there's a part in there. It's a great video, by the way. 

    Everybody should watch that if you haven't already. There's a part in there where the band is like, it's, I don't remember who said it, but they said, you know, touring, it's not work whenwe're on stage. 

    That's the fun part. that's the part we love. He said it's everything in between is the job, the travel, the hotels, the setup, the teardown. 

    It's like, that's the job. And when we're on stage, that's the easy part. 

    And this is kind of, in a way, what this song was about. 


    Track 2:

    [1:13:47] Truer words never spoken. 


    Track 3:

    [1:13:48] Woes of touring. Yeah, the woes of touring and the woes of corporate radio. 

    And And, you know, there's like almost a pause and then some driving guitar before the last verse in here. 

    Like it felt like there was just, it just got an adrenaline shot to keep going and finish the song. 

    This, again, made me feel, you know, empathetically for the band and their job and their touring and, you know, the amount of production. production. 

    It's just, it's massive. It's massive. 


    Track 1:

    [1:14:28] Oh, yeah. Um, one of, one of my, uh, standout lyric in this song is, uh, one day I'll make some honest rock and roll full of hand claps and gang vocals. 

    I'm going to get all the children involved. We're going to get lost in all you locals. Um, remember that, remember that idea of hand claps and gang vocals, especially for the next record. 

    There's gang vocals, and we've never heard them on a Tragically Hip record before, and we get them loud and clear. 

    It's really interesting that this set of lyrics came out. 


    Track 3:

    [1:15:11] Shades shy of truly loving them. 


    Track 1:

    [1:15:13] Yeah. 

    Are they speaking of the experience at the time? i don't know i don't know so that takes us to the titular world container uh the title track World Container, and what did you guys make ofthis song? 


    Track 3:

    [1:15:37] I'll go real quick. You know, I thought it was kind of a perfect closer. 

    It was this epic Kind of an epic song of an ender, you know, it's theatrical. 

    It's if it feels really made for the stage It's What do I have here? 

    What we have here are all flaws in progress where all songs are one song, and that song is Don't Forget. 

    It's just kind of a perfect ending. This was one of those songs that, as an ender, I felt like this closed, for me, this album. 

    And I was just ready to go again for what's next. So this fit its place for me. 


    Track 2:

    [1:16:27] Yeah, I second Timmy's emotions and also that, like, just little subtle things, the way the song starts, then it goes to minor, there's the lead guitar is really stadium rock. 

    Tim said it is built for the stage. Absolutely. I could see this song being played, and I don't mean this in a bad way. 

    I could see this song being played at like a fucking Super Bowl, you know, like, like just like super emotional, super like. 

    everybody into it, everybody's swinging and swaying and, and digging it. 

    Um, again, I don't mean that in a bad way because, you know, I'm not a big football fan, not that it's bad, but just like, you know, Superbowl halftime shows are, I'm so there. 


    Track 3:

    [1:17:22] One of my notes, arm and arm singing the last bit all together. 


    Track 2:

    [1:17:27] Yeah, a hundred percent, a hundred percent. I dug it though. 

    So I really, I really liked it. 

    You know, I had a thought and this is not really even hip related. 

    But when I was thinking about that, there was a guy I went to school with, that was a pretty famous, I didn't actually go to school with, he graduated a couple years before I went. 

    His name is Demetrius Maxi. And he was pretty big in the Canadian Football League. 

    I called him and I was like, I was like, holy shit. Yeah, he played like a full career and now he's a coach for, I, don't know, I'm going to look it up real quick because it's got to be, he was adefensive end for the Edmonton Elks. Oh, okay. 

    Oh no, now he's a line coach for the Edmonton Elks, but he played for the Toronto Argonauts or something. 

    I don't know. I don't follow football, man. 


    Track 1:

    [1:18:28] Well, you definitely don't follow Canadian football. 


    Track 2:

    [1:18:31] Yeah, I really don't. 


    Track 1:

    [1:18:32] I know that. Canadians don't follow Canadian football and there's some really good stuff. We used to talk about Canadian football on the podcast all the time. 


    Track 2:

    [1:18:41] But to be in like the NFL, like I knew guys that played with him in the school, like guys that I knew really well. And the guy was a fucking, he was a, nobody wanted to go upagainst him. He was a fucking train wreck. 

    Like it just, You might as well step in front of a moving bus. 

    The guy would fucking destroy anybody in front of him. 

    I couldn't imagine it. Anyway. 


    Track 1:

    [1:19:08] I just wanted to make one comment on another lyric that I love, another set of lyrics that I love. 

    Good news, you get to vanish. Go to Cleveland, Dn and Dsmash. 

    The good news is now you are smaller. The bad news is that you can be smaller than that. 

    I just think that is so... 

    rock and roll road dream scenario, right? 

    Like, you know? So maybe they do all of a sudden become popular in a segment in the United States. 

    You can get small. You can get smaller than that, you know? 


    Track 2:

    [1:20:02] I never understood why, I still will never understand the whole breakthrough United States shit, dude. I just, I don't. 


    Track 3:

    [1:20:10] But you know how it might've been in a way if the band was kind of over it and we're like, you know, it is what it is. It might've been fucking cool to play an arena in Canada andthen play. 


    Track 2:

    [1:20:25] Yeah, right? 


    Track 3:

    [1:20:26] I don't remember. 


    Track 2:

    [1:20:27] The Fillmore? 


    Track 3:

    [1:20:28] You know, playing a theater in San Francisco. Yeah, like, that must have been fucking cool to be at the Fillmore and have- Or play a fucking- A crowd be like 70% Canadians and30% diehard, you know, fans from wherever else. 

    That must have been, in a way, pretty liberating as a band. 


    Track 1:

    [1:20:47] Yeah, I bet, I bet. 


    Track 2:

    [1:20:48] El Rey or like the Fonda in LA, which is like- I mean, can you imagine only- 800 people? 


    Track 3:

    [1:20:56] Yeah, only doing arenas, ugh. That's, that's, that was being, it's. Bye, bye. 

    Yeah, I guess they were doing fun stuff. I would kill to hear them play at a dive bar. 

    You know, that's probably what I would choose is like the L-Ray. 

    If I could hear them. 


    Track 2:

    [1:21:17] As long as the sound tech doesn't fucking electrocute you three times in a row. 


    Track 1:

    [1:21:22] Oh no. 


    Track 2:

    [1:21:24] Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [1:21:25] I don't know, a stadium would be amazing too. I wouldn't be picky. 


    Track 2:

    [1:21:30] I don't know if I told you that, I mentioned that to Steve Malcolmus when I was talking to him in Copenhagen and I mentioned that show to him and he immediately recalled it. 

    He was like, yeah, I remember that. This is fucking, it's fucked up, dude. 


    Track 3:

    [1:21:55] Tell us the story. 


    Track 2:

    [1:21:56] Just one time I saw him, it was on, I don't remember what tour, it was like 2014 and the fucking sound tech or whoever didn't ground the mic and he got electrocuted once and ithappened the second time and he was like fucking pissed and then the third time he almost walked off stage and I wouldn't have, nobody would have been pissed if he did because helooked Visibly fucking right like shooken and like what the fuck like guiding her on the mic And so every time he went to grab it put his mouth on it He got fucking got buzzed kind oflike you fuckers used to do to me when when somebody was Me in the mic Dude I've seen that happen that's horrible and that I was following for a while that I've mentioned before forfrom LA called Wand. 


    Track 3:

    [1:22:51] I saw them play a small club here in Portland and the lead guy, Corey Hanson is his name. He's just a fucking fantastic guitar player. 

    It's almost too easy for him. But he was getting shocked over and over and it was through whatever was going on. 

    His board wasn't grounded. He was getting shocked over and over and they were trying to record that show for a series of recordings. 

    And it was just all these technical fuck-ups. And when I see stuff like that happen at shows, man, it's such a bummer. 


    Track 1:

    [1:23:23] Now I have the A. Freely song, Shock Me, stuck in my head. Here you go. 


    Track 3:

    [1:23:29] There you go. 


    Track 2:

    [1:23:30] Thank god it wasn't Lick It Hub. 


    Track 3:

    [1:23:31] Back to World Contain. Back to World Contain Her. 


    Track 1:

    [1:23:35] Yeah, I think we've reached the conclusion of yet another Tragically Hip record. 

    And you guys have sort of pulled me back on the other side, which is interesting. 

    I think I went into this a little bit more negative on the record. 

    And, you know, overall, track over track, you guys really seem to enjoy it. 

    So, as we were going through the songs, I was just grinning ear to ear listening to some of the things you were saying. 

    So, now the hard part, though. You have to choose one track to put as your MVP for your playlist. 


    Track 3:

    [1:24:13] Easy. 


    Track 2:

    [1:24:13] What's up? 


    Track 1:

    [1:24:13] Easy. This is easy. Okay, all right. 


    Track 3:

    [1:24:17] I know Pete's. Pete, do you know mine? 


    Track 2:

    [1:24:19] Yes, I know yours. The kid's number. 


    Track 3:

    [1:24:21] Okay. That's exactly right. And yours is Pretend. 


    Track 2:

    [1:24:26] No, shut the fuck up. 


    Track 3:

    [1:24:29] No, it's not. 


    Track 2:

    [1:24:32] Oh, man, I walked right into that one. And I was like, yeah, I knew yours, too. Guess mine. 

    Fucking last night, I dreamed you didn't love me. Hands down. 

    Hands down. Put that on, like, I mean, that is up there with like fucking fireworks, dude. It's a fucking jam. 


    Track 3:

    [1:24:51] It's up there with kiss my fingers and made me love you. That's just, that would make me want to stop rapping songs. It's just too perfect. 


    Track 1:

    [1:24:58] It's like... Ha ha ha ha. That's a good work day. 


    Track 3:

    [1:25:01] Get my fingers to bend. Everything about that tune. So good. 

    So so cooking up some chicken today. 


    Track 1:

    [1:25:09] All right. 


    Track 3:

    [1:25:10] Oh, you're making me hungry Yeah, I love the kids don't get it, you know, it's It kind of almost is like where the guys listening to Quadrophenia During this time. 

    I don't know. There is it made me think about a lot of other bands that are historically very just Viable, you know just have their place Canonic. 


    Track 1:

    [1:25:33] Am I lovesick sometimes? 


    Track 3:

    [1:25:39] So what do we have left, J.D.? We have like three to go. What do we do next? 


    Track 1:

    [1:25:44] Yeah, well, next week we're going to be looking at We Are The Same, which is the second Bob Rock record. 

    And then from there, we've got Now for Plan A, and then Man-Machine Pong. 


    Track 4:

    [1:25:57] Then we wrap it up with Saskadelfia before we head to the finale. 


    Track 3:

    [1:26:03] So there's that. What about, just to interject in that cadence of albums, what about the whole Austin City Limits thing that happened? 

    Did you catch that at the time? Do you recall that? Or was that a big deal? 


    Track 1:

    [1:26:21] Oh, I don't remember. Not at all. at all, did they do in Austin City Limits? 

    Yeah. Oh, I've never even seen it. 


    Track 2:

    [1:26:29] Those are really hard to get on. Yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [1:26:34] Because it's PBS, right? Yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [1:26:35] Which you would think. 


    Track 1:

    [1:26:37] Yeah, for whatever reason, people don't share it. I guess. 


    Track 2:

    [1:26:41] Well, it's just hard to access it, man. It's subscribe to it. 

    Sure, sure. You don't want to share it. That's like, okay, I get it. 

    But like, come on, once you've made your buck on it, what do we, you know? 

    Are people really still paying for a fucking Austin City Limits video of a Boz Skaggs concert from 87? 

    Probably not. So let's just... 


    Track 3:

    [1:27:06] From what I could see in 06, they did Austin City Limits in 06 and they did, it looks like they did put it out there. 

    So I don't know if that went out on CD or what. 


    Track 1:

    [1:27:17] Yeah I'm scratching my head too. 


    Track 2:

    [1:27:23] I have to watch the video or research on that. Yeah. All right. 


    Track 3:

    [1:27:29] Well, next week, 15, 2006, Oh, 2006. 


    Track 2:

    [1:27:31] So this is before this record. Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [1:27:34] Same year. 


    Track 2:

    [1:27:35] Well, they probably played maybe a couple of tracks from it, but cause by that time it would have been recorded. 


    Track 1:

    [1:27:40] Yeah, that's true. 


    Track 2:

    [1:27:43] Came out in October, 2006. 


    Track 1:

    [1:27:44] Do you have a set list? 


    Track 3:

    [1:27:48] It looks like it was only digital and which, you know, for the time, sure, go for it. That's awesome. 

    Digital download from Universal. Yeah, we got seven songs. So yeah, Austin City Limits is usually about an hour. 

    We got Courage, Lonely End of the Rink, Gus, the polar bear from Central Park, Bobby Cajun, Poets, okay, 100th Meridian, and Blow It High Dough. 

    There's a banger of last couple songs, wow. 

    I'm gonna try to find it. 


    Track 2:

    [1:28:23] There's so much weird shit. 


    Track 3:

    [1:28:24] 34 minutes, 50 seconds. Gotta be out there somewhere. 


    Track 1:

    [1:28:29] If you know of where you can get it, send us an email. JD at gettinghiptothehip.com. 

    That'd be cool to hear from you. 


    Track 2:

    [1:28:37] Yeah, don't send it to Pete at getting hip at to the hip.com. 


    Track 1:

    [1:28:41] Don't send it to pete hey judy it sounds like you know we we need to remind our our listeners of our event coming up because uh it's it's coming close the rec room that's right therec room in toronto on bremner street bremner avenue rather uh 50 mission I have to ask you guys, this will be your first pseudo live hip experience. 

    It's not going to be like seeing the band live, but it's about as close as you're going to get at this point, which is an odd thing to say. 


    Track 2:

    [1:29:23] I can't wait. I'm so stoked. 

    I mean, I'm really looking forward to 50 Mission. I've seen, they're pretty damn good for a tribute band to the hip. I mean, they're pretty much top notch. 

    So I'm excited to see that, because just to hear hip songs live would be fucking cool. 

    And with other hip fans too, because yeah, we all listen. I don't think we've all gotten it, like, we've not, I mean, yeah, it's one thing you can do it online but like we've not all hung out andlistened to the hip so it's be fucking cool to listen to hit music with other fans and um i think is it, Were you mistaken JD or am I mistaken when I said that like You can either pay for aticket or there's free entry if you bring nine cans of ravioli Let's not mix, anybody Maybe a couple family side. 


    Track 1:

    [1:30:29] Oh, man I'm excited. 


    Track 3:

    [1:30:34] I'm excited to Have some steam whistle again. 

    That's kind of on my list. Yeah, that was Yeah, and I'm excited to hear these guys play I have not looked them up or watched a second of video or anything So I'm kind of just treating itlike it's gonna be my first of The band tragically hip show, you know, I'm just in anticipation and surprise. 

    I'm just excited for it. Oh It's gonna be great. 


    Track 2:

    [1:31:02] So stoked man. I just hope nobody's He's pissed at us for the, or pissed at me for anything I said in any of the episodes. I just want somebody to be like, hey, you're doing good. 


    Track 3:

    [1:31:12] Yeah, I'm hoping to. 


    Track 2:

    [1:31:13] Yeah, hey, how you doing? Boom! Just fucking left me out. 

    A little fucking knock just breaks my fucking nose. 


    Track 3:

    [1:31:21] Right? 


    Track 2:

    [1:31:22] Oh, man. Because I had fucking, dude, this has been such a cool experience, man. I'm looking forward to talking to people about a band that I've come to love over the last fewmonths, you know? 


    Track 3:

    [1:31:33] Yeah, we'll have to talk about maybe a pre-party meetup, you know. 


    Track 1:

    [1:31:38] Yeah, that'd be kind of cool. 


    Track 3:

    [1:31:39] When we get to it. Yeah. Now you're talking. 


    Track 1:

    [1:31:44] Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [1:31:44] Yeah, I'm excited to hear him play. 


    Track 2:

    [1:31:46] Do they have marijuana in Canada? 


    Track 1:

    [1:31:49] You betcha. Do they? Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [1:31:50] I'm just curious. Yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [1:31:51] I'm just curious. 


    Track 2:

    [1:31:52] I'm just curious. 


    Track 1:

    [1:31:54] I'll take it to my local dispensary. 


    Track 3:

    [1:31:57] I think they have merry fungus. 


    Track 1:

    [1:32:00] Yeah, there's a couple places. There's one on the Danforth that was very fun guy It was open for a while. I'm not sure if it still is. 


    Track 2:

    [1:32:06] What's your what's your we place called again? It's a weird name weed jar Weed jar. 

    Yeah Dave's not here Still Such a good name, dude. Dave's not here. 

    Still not here. And then the second one would be... Dude, there was a place in Utah. 

    It's in Salt Lake and it's called... It's a bar. It's a shithole. 

    And I made the mistake of going back there because it was actually a decent place before, but then I went back there years later and it's a fucking dangerous place. It's called My Ex-Wife'sPlace. 

    I'm not joking. Bar is called... 


    Track 3:

    [1:32:51] I mean, it's it's a little little tiny bit of a mistake to go back to Salt Lake, but Friends there man Lot of friends you have good friends there a lot of Mormons a lot of Jack Mormonsall different colors and shapes and sizes so What a lot of water down there, that's true, that's true so much watered up beer It's it's all watered down there. 


    Track 2:

    [1:33:17] That's true. 


    Track 3:

    [1:33:19] If we became legal in Utah, it would be like 2% weed and a 98% oregano. 

    They'd be like, here you go. Have fun. 

    It's funny. 


    Track 1:

    [1:33:32] Well, that's what we've got for you this week. 

    Thanks for playing along at home. Tim. Pete. 


    Track 3:

    [1:33:41] Yo. Yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [1:33:44] Hell of a show. Hell of a show. Yeah, good show. Good job. 


    Track 2:

    [1:33:48] Thanks fellas. 


    Track 4:

    [1:33:49] Pick up your shit!



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  • A complete and utter disregard for human life!

    Get ready for a journey back in time, as we pull back the curtain on the ninth studio record by The Hip - 'In Between Evolution'. We'll bring you face-to-face with the record’s unique evolution, the masterful production by the iconic Adam Kasper, and the first impression this album left on us. We also promise to share our thoughts on what sets this record apart - from Gord's powerful vocals and the band's rhythmic arrangements to the irrefutable political undertones.

    We’ll further dissect the elements of this extraordinary record, including the band's focus on rhythm guitar and the magnetic chorus that simply pulls you in. Our discussion explores the influence of Neil Young on this album, the importance of the first single 'Vaccination Scar', and how it resonates politically, even in today's world. We'll also touch upon the story of Gus, the polar bear from Central Park, and how it adds a unique dimension to the album.

    Last but not least, we’ll delve deep into the legacy of Gordon Downie and his indelible impact on music and society. We’ll reflect on the loss of his unique perspective in the current global scenario. So, brace yourself for an enlightening conversation about this remarkable record and the creators who brought it to life. We promise a captivating experience that will leave you with a renewed appreciation for The Hip's musical brilliance. Let's embark on this journey together, shall we?

    Track Listing

    Summer's Killing Us - Studio Version

    Gus: The Polar Bear from Central Park - Live from Chicago 2012

    Makeshift We Are - Live from Toronto 2004

    Are We Family - Live Detroit 2009

    Transcript

    Track 1:

    [0:00] Well, welcome back guys. How are you doing this week? 


    Track 2:

    [0:02] Fantastic. Couldn't be better. Yeah. Life couldn't be better. 


    Track 3:

    [0:09] Pretty good. Pretty good. Excited to be back. And so it's my birthday. 


    Track 1:

    [0:15] It's July 24th. 


    Track 3:

    [0:16] Holy shit. 


    Track 2:

    [0:18] Today's your birthday. Holy shit. 


    Track 3:

    [0:20] Wow. 


    Track 1:

    [0:21] July 24th, man. Yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [0:24] Happy birthday, man. 


    Track 1:

    [0:26] Thanks. 


    Track 3:

    [0:27] I'm going to blame the time change on me forgetting. 


    Track 1:

    [0:30] No, it's July 24th. 

    Get it? Wink wink? Yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [0:39] It's your birthday, man. Cuantos anos? Oh. Tienes. 


    Track 1:

    [0:44] Awesome. What's the last part mean? 


    Track 2:

    [0:48] How old are you? How many years do you have? Yeah. Is the literal translation. 


    Track 3:

    [0:53] Countless. I mean, change. 


    Track 1:

    [0:54] 49, baby. 49. 


    Track 2:

    [0:55] Oh, knock, knock, knockin' on 50 years. 


    Track 3:

    [1:02] Let's do this. You know, when we entered our 40s, we were like, 40s are gonna be awesome. This is the decade. And we got to our 50s, we're like, maybe 50s will be awesome. Yeah.Yeah. Oh, it's all awesome. 

    It's all awesome. 


    Track 2:

    [1:16] Did you ever see the movie City Slickers? 


    Track 3:

    [1:18] Yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [1:19] Yeah, years ago. 


    Track 2:

    [1:19] There's a great, the great monologue by Billy Crystal in the beginning of that. 

    He's like, your 20s are a blur. 

    Your 30s, you make a little money, raise a wife, have a couple of kids, buy a house. 

    Your 40s, you wake up one day and you think to yourself, what happened to my 30s? 

    He goes on to every decade and then he's like, your 80s, you end up like, you eat breakfast at, or whatever, you eat dinner at five, lunch at 10, breakfast the night before. 


    Track 3:

    [1:52] It's just like, dinner's at four. 


    Track 1:

    [1:55] Yeah, exactly. 


    Track 3:

    [1:56] Dinner's at four. 


    Track 2:

    [1:56] Oh, it's so good. 


    Track 1:

    [1:58] They're taking all Tim's happy hour seats. Yeah. All the octogenarians. 


    Track 3:

    [2:03] My father's in a retirement home and when I talk to him, he says, they're coming for me for dinner earlier every day. It's three o'clock. It's coming for dinner. 


    Track 1:

    [2:20] Like, dude, just call a happy hour. Fuck it. Yeah. So in 2004, we got the ninth studio record by The Hip, In Between Evolution. 

    This is a, you know. 

    Like Clockwork, every two years we've got a record from this band, you know, and they were still touring their brains out. 

    I think it's a staggering feat, you know, that a band with their original lineup can put out a record every two years, you know, guided by voices or bands like that, notwithstanding, thosesongwriters are, you know, Bob Puller, it's just so prolific. It's, it's unreal. 

    But in terms of band work, bands that tour extensively, I don't know of many other bands that have had this kind of halcyon run. 

    But here we are, talking about it. 

    And as we always do, I want to find out environmentally what you thought of the record, where you listened to it, where you first heard it and what your overall general thoughts are onthis 9th record produced by Adam Kasper. What do you think? 


    Track 2:

    [3:45] I think the name is very fitting, In Between Evolution, because I feel like this record is a bit in between. 

    And I say that, you know, when you're in elementary school, you see the monkey going, you know, to like Croag Magnon Man and then like getting up through the ages to get to the likemodern day man, modern day human. 

    I feel like this record is maybe not any of those, but something like in between that we sort of haven't seen before, you know. 

    It's certainly an evolved version of the hip, but I can't really attribute it to anything they've ever done before or anything I think they will do. 

    It's very different in a lot of ways. 


    Track 1:

    [4:38] Where do you listen to this one? 


    Track 2:

    [4:41] I listen to it everywhere. I listen to it out and about. I listen to it in my office, working. 

    Probably best place was in the car, you know. The car really, this record was, I feel like, made for driving, you know, like a lot of their records, you know. 

    So I would say if I had to pick any environment, definitely my car, I mean, I don't know if it's everybody's car, I have a bit of a bias, given that, you know, I've got a pretty solid soundsystem in my car, like a premium. 

    But yeah, I enjoyed it in the car. 


    Track 3:

    [5:23] We need a soundbite that's like, that's like, premium sound system. 


    Track 2:

    [5:31] We can drop that in post. 


    Track 3:

    [5:32] Yeah. Well, I, you know, I'll disagree with Pete. 

    I, to me, this felt more hip, right out the gates and you know I think Pete and I differed a little bit on the last album and I'm really liking our, you know, compare and contrast. 

    I'll just quickly add Pete's haircuts throwing me off a little bit today, but I can deal. I can deal. But anyways, that looks good. 


    [6:06] I thought In Violet Light, the last album, what we reviewed was a little bit of a departure and super polished and, you know, made for like, I don't know, an award stage or something.

    Maybe have the Oscars on the mind. but I thought in Between Evolution, I looked at the title wondering if that meant they were coming back to their own production type, style, soundrecording. 

    You know, I didn't really understand the title for this one because it felt more like a hip album to me. 


    [6:43] The producer, you know, I looked up to see who did this one. 

    Adam Kasper, he did all kinds of bands in Seattle. 

    Mudhoney, Nirvana, you know, the Foo Fighters, he worked with REM. 

    I don't know if it was all in Seattle, but Soundgarden. 

    He even did some work with Cat Power, who Amy and I adore. One of our favorite singer-songwriters. 

    Just, you know, you worked with amazing musicians. And all these musicians I just listed, maybe except for kind of Aerosmith, I'm not exactly a fan of. 

    But, you know, these are bands, maybe Aerosmith, who wear their hearts on their sleeve and really are just going for it. 

    And almost achieving a status where they have a following and they have their shit down and they can kind of do what they want, you know? 

    And I felt like this album went back to the band a little bit more doing what they want. 

    So I was pretty excited, pretty excited by it. 


    Track 1:

    [7:43] Can you describe that a little bit more? Like, what do you mean by what they want? 


    Track 3:

    [7:49] Well, the last album I thought was overproduced. I thought it was... 


    Track 1:

    [7:52] Right, right. 


    Track 3:

    [7:53] I thought it was too scripted, you know, I thought it was too, like, ha, here we go back to food metaphors. 

    It's like showing up at a restaurant with a preset menu. That's what I felt the last album was, and I felt like this one was a little bit more carefree. 

    It was a little bit more back to experimental. 

    The lyrics, the themes behind all the songs were, in certain ways, like what I've experienced from other albums past themes, with variation and variety. 

    I don't know, this felt more hip to me. This just felt more like the first handful of albums that got me excited about where the band was going. 

    So in that regard, it's like, yeah, fuck. 

    Let's do this every two years. We're going on 10 years. 

    Or this was the ninth album, right? So it's over 10 years. And that, that to me, as Pete knows, as someone who has recorded, that is such a... 


    [8:58] Heroic work with Yeah with touring to as much as these guys toured I mean It's remarkable that they're all still digging each other so much, you know Yeah, but from also from acouple of things that I read during this tour Is when Gord at one point commented about, even if there's differences going on behind the scenes or Or there was some tour manager issues, Iguess, that once they got on stage and started playing, that they just were a band. 

    They were like NSYNC and just super, super in the groove. 


    Track 2:

    [9:41] Not like NSYNC. 


    Track 3:

    [9:42] Yeah, they were very much NSYNC. Just super in the groove, which means they're like this fucking locomotive still. So I think it's still super impressive. 

    Even with a band that I'm not as impressed with or fond of, it's still an impressive feat to go this far with recording, producing, touring, everything. 


    Track 1:

    [10:05] Yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [10:07] Yes. 


    Track 3:

    [10:08] Hands down. Absolutely. 


    Track 2:

    [10:09] Kudos. 


    Track 1:

    [10:11] And in terms of environments for you? 


    Track 3:

    [10:14] Yeah, so it was a lot of car. I listened to it pretty quick after our last review. 

    There's a lot of car time and some home time. I don't play their music much at home over my home systems. 

    So it's a lot of car, a lot of headphones. 

    It's a little more intimate for me to do it that way and I also really enjoy when bands geek out on recording, and you can hear things with headphones on that you wouldn't normally reallybe in tune with if you're just walking around the house playing it through your ear. 


    Track 2:

    [10:56] There's a few of those on this record. 


    Track 3:

    [10:57] Yeah, there's a few of those on this record, and I love that stuff. 

    I mean, that to me shows that a band is really caring about their listeners and their fans and their art. 

    There's a few of that. 


    Track 1:

    [11:14] Well let's dig in then. Heaven is a better place today. 


    Track 3:

    [11:21] So, yeah, this one, you know, there's been a few albums where... 

    My first listen to the first song. I've never done a random listen first try, you know, and that's the way so many people experience music these days. 

    I hear a song from an artist. 

    So I might have to try that as an experiment on some album. 

    But you know, first listen to Heaven is a Better Place Today in the car. 

    It was like, yes, here we go. Like, Pete, you mentioned a great road trip soundtrack or whatever. 

    This is totally it. It felt like a good, fun, solid opener with a drive and the carry of the drums and the bass really throughout this album seemed a little more...I mean they're always solid butthis one just even seemed more gelled, which is kind of hard to even imagine these guys doing. 

    I loved Gord's singing. He's kind of at an elevated pitch with this one and, you know, from what I understand, it's...well. 


    [12:33] My first take was like, this feels like a memorial song, like this is a tribute to somebody and Of course later learned that it's in part about Dan Snyder. 

    I mean, I'm not a hockey guy I mean even I couldn't even tell you who Atlanta's team is or was Atlanta thrashers. 

    That's probably my favorite hockey team name though so, you know read a little bit about Danny Heatley, did I just say his name wrong? 

    No, don't sorry Dan Snyder Snyder Um, he was killed when is with his teammate Danny Healy. 


    Track 1:

    [13:08] That's right. 


    Track 3:

    [13:09] They're the ones who were Wrecked some sports car, which is such a tragic story, you know to hear about somebody famous wrecking in a sports car. 

    It's just It's kind of an awesome way to go. But anyways, you know, I thought it was good solid Opener really really easy ending. 

    It was like, okay, let's keep going How about you Pete I dug it. 


    Track 2:

    [13:32] I mean, I echo a lot of what Tim said. I mean, I feel like a great opening track. 

    I really got some some some cure vibes here. 

    I really felt like this song had, Yeah, just I heard a lot of the cure in here. 

    I think Gord's vocals, clearly this is a record and we'll kind of get into it with more songs and stuff. 

    Not just, I feel like there's so many songs that probably killed it live on this record, but that Gord's vocals really just keep evolving into something new. 

    I mean, I feel like every member of the band grows a lot, but he's just, it's like everybody takes three steps forward and Gord takes like nine. 

    You know, he skips where everybody just takes steps. It's crazy, man. 


    Track 3:

    [14:36] Completely. 


    Track 2:

    [14:37] That's not like a diss on anybody in the band. It's just, I think he thinks differently, or he thought differently, either way, I dug this song. 

    I thought it was a great opener. 

    The second track, Summer's Killing Us, yeah, this is another one where the vocals really do it for me. 

    Um, there's a, there's a part, well, during the chorus, when Gord's singing, um, Summer is Killing Us, like his voice is cracking. 

    You can hear it breaking on the recording. And it's just like, it doesn't crack. Like it's, it just fits. It's perfect. 

    And you're like, this guy's, this guy's, he's redlining the engine and the car is still going. you, You know what I mean? 


    Track 3:

    [15:33] Like, and the car, I think, has like, 300,000 kilometers on it, you know? Yeah, and it's just like, go, go, go, who cares? 


    Track 1:

    [15:43] Yeah, they could sing, sing, sing all day. 


    Track 2:

    [15:47] Yeah, it's I mean, it's had its oil changes and services, I'm sure. 


    Track 3:

    [15:51] Exactly. 


    Track 2:

    [15:52] The drums, another thing about the drums on this, I watched some, well, you guys know, I'll talk about a little more later songs, but the drums on this song, A song that just seemslike it's probably so much fun to play for Jonny Faye. 

    Just the stops, the fills, just, it just seemed like if anybody's having a blast, it's him and Gord Downie are just fucking having a ball to this song. 


    Track 3:

    [16:20] I think you've commented on that before, too. And this one, this one I noticed, you know, first listen was like, oh, he's having fun. 

    There's some fills in there, and that made me think this one live, you know, probably varied a little bit, but probably just kicked ass, too. Yeah, I think. 


    Track 2:

    [16:39] Yeah, and I gotta say, this is gonna sound really bad, so I want to frame it right. 

    I just want to throw this in because I feel like if I didn't throw it in, I'd be... 

    My initial thought... So this is 2004, right? Yeah. 

    2003, 2004. 2004 you think when they're recording writing this song I got just Gord's vocals and his phrasing very much got some like early 2000s emo vibes to it. 

    I actually heard and I don't mean this in a disrespectful way So no, no do not give away my address JD. 

    I don't I mean Canada's a far away from Spain, but I got getting hip to the hip calm. 

    Yeah for for comments Emo my ass No, but I really heard I heard a dashboard confessional song Yes pretty mind-blowing, you know Yeah, okay. You hear me? 


    Track 3:

    [17:41] Okay, I do. I do. I would a million times rather listen to this band. No, 100%. 


    Track 2:

    [17:48] But I hear you. 


    Track 3:

    [17:50] But I hear you. 


    Track 2:

    [17:51] And no, no offense, because I think that I think the guy I can't remember his, his name, the guy. 


    Track 3:

    [17:56] That's okay. 


    Track 2:

    [17:57] No, I know. No, just respect him as a musician. I think he's a good musician. 

    I just don't fancy his music much. Anyway. 


    Track 3:

    [18:08] You know, I was shouting this chorus in the car. Like, first listen, you could sing along to this one. If you know the band, you're like, fucking hyped. 

    Hell yeah, it's a song about summer. Who doesn't like a song about summer? 


    Track 1:

    [18:19] That's right. 


    Track 3:

    [18:20] That band always sings about summer, said no one ever. 

    So this one, you could just go. There's awesome stops, there's a good bridge, there's... 

    A few times on this album I think there's more of a focus on just I don't know how to say it Pete but just a better rhythm guitar less riffy like the feel like this album has riff sections thatare a little bit more defined or declared maybe yeah yeah yeah this one gourds at like the three-minute He's like, whoo, you know when he left that it is so good I love that. I love that. 


    Track 1:

    [19:05] I mean I like exhausted slash. 


    Track 3:

    [19:06] I'm awesome slash I don't even know what the other slash would be but it's like it's great Yeah, if you're having a moment and you stop and you can actually breathe and do thatwhoo I mean you're having a good day like something's going on something's going on that you're enjoying or you're relieved But I also thought this song was like a song about being tiredand touring and working. 

    Also, you know, maybe some of the research I did, that maybe there were some references again to the South, or slavery, or prison life, you know, that's just like, summer's killing us, youknow? 

    It's amazing and beautiful and tough at the same time. That's kind of what I thought about this song. 

    It's, it felt, this is a few times I have had this happen where the song feels long, but it's like measured in a good way. It's like, it's just, there's enough verses, enough choruses. 


    Track 1:

    [20:12] I think this is one of the longer songs on the record. 


    Track 3:

    [20:15] Yeah, yeah. This was, this was fun. 


    Track 2:

    [20:19] This song, this song also, I just wanted to throw this in too, because I kind of forgot to mention it, one of the cool things about it is that it just goes from this, the chorus is sofucking, but then when it goes back into like the verse, it just, it brings it down again. 

    It just, it just, it flattens it like a, like a compressor. 

    It just flattens it really quick and just makes it even again. 

    You're like, whoo, like the dynamic of the band recordings. 

    It's really cool. That's a hard thing to pull off, man. 


    Track 1:

    [20:53] I really regret not seeing this tour. Like, really. I have so much regret not seeing this tour. 

    Because this is the first tour that I missed since the beginning. 

    This is the first one that I didn't go see a show. 

    And listening to the record now, it's like, oh man, it's again, so much of it seems to be written to be live, you know? 


    Track 3:

    [21:18] She must have been really cute, JD. Pardon me? 

    Your girlfriend at the time, I guess. You were busy. 


    Track 1:

    [21:29] Oh, yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [21:30] Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [21:31] Dude, the next song, you know, Gus, I faintly remember hearing about this. 


    Track 1:

    [21:35] Yes. 


    Track 3:

    [21:37] Back then. I mean, if we go back to 2004, you know, this is like the era, politics aside, because we'll probably get into that, but this is like the era when shit online started to take off,you know? Everybody's looked at YouTube. 

    Some of your friends might be listening to Pandora, which at that time had the best radio feature. 

    You could like mix stations and you know There's a lot there's a lot going on electronically The zeros are ones then i'm pretty sure i heard about this song and um, I was telling amy wifeamy yesterday this story about gus This polar bear from central park and uh how they they just deduced that, He was depressed And amy's like no shit polar bear and Activity it was likeyeah, I mean a polar bear's life is what? 


    [22:39] Sleeping, drinking, killing, eating, fucking. I mean, let's put a polar bear in captivity and see how hyped he is. 

    I mean, that's just terrible. So this is amazing that they, I guess, Gord, I don't know who exactly picked up on the story and wrote this one. 

    And, you know, this is also where there was some, maybe the beginning of this album with some political under things here as well but there's this first guitar riff at the beginning of thissong Pete I'm sure you heard it but there's like this there's this weird guitar kind of distortion distortion yeah like that that attack at the beginning is like I wish also I mean live it wouldprobably been so fun to hear that I'm sure it varied a little bit but that's like that outro that outro live must have been so yeah banging yeah drums are huge in this one you know and i'vejust i dug this song it was it was fun there's i could go on and on about it but you know just this poor guy gus he's staring at food all day at the zoo i mean he would eat all these people yesgawking at him so of course he's suffering from depression this is like during this era, scientists were like, he might be depressed. 


    [24:06] Bears, animals can have sentiments of depression. 


    [24:11] It's fucking hilarious. Terrible. 


    Track 2:

    [24:16] I mean, where do I put down my fucking flag here with this one, dude? 

    First of all, if I was going to start a bar fight, this would be the fucking song I'd put on the J-box right before I picked up the neck of a Labatt Blue, fucking break it over somebody's headand just start a melee. 


    Track 3:

    [24:41] Shit. 


    Track 2:

    [24:42] Okay. 


    Track 3:

    [24:43] Watch out, Hamilton. Yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [24:49] So, Tim, you're telling the story of the polar bear from Central Park, right? And now that you're telling the story, I remember it. Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [24:57] Yeah, me too. 


    Track 2:

    [24:58] But during listening to this, I didn't remember it because that was a long time ago. And I drank a lot of beer and done a lot of shit since then. 

    And so it didn't register. 

    And so I pictured like a bearded homeless man, a giant bear of a man who was depressed and an alcoholic sitting and fucking with people in Central Park. 

    That's who I heard when I heard this song. 

    I didn't, I didn't at all have any correlation with the actual story of Costa Polar Bear. 

    But this is the now this this album, and then some subsequent YouTube videos that I explored this week, really got me digging into the vibe that is Paul Langlois, because you could Youcan just hear this thumping, it's a thumping vibe that he has with this Les Paul that he's playing and it just fucking rips. 

    This song is the tiger, the lion of this record. 


    Track 3:

    [26:13] I had the same sentiment for sure. 


    Track 2:

    [26:17] It's the fucking tiger, the lion of this record. 

    What else? I would say I literally, I literally wrote, I literally wrote that, that, that, that I would be cracking balls a little bit blue, a little bit blue over people's heads. 

    But no, it's the tiger, the lion of this record. 

    And I feel like Neil Young is a lot of guitar on this this record is very Neil Young focused. 


    Track 1:

    [26:50] I can hear Crazy Horse in this. 


    Track 2:

    [26:53] Yeah, there's another song that's undoubtedly Crazy Horse. 

    But the end, the solo, Rob Baker proceeds, and I'm going to read this verbatim. 

    The solo, Rob Baker proceeds to melt your fucking face off with a complete and utter disregard for human life. 


    Track 3:

    [27:10] And that he does. 


    Track 2:

    [27:13] He starts off that way. He just, well, it just, the solo towards the end is just, it's just fucking, fuck me, man. 


    Track 1:

    [27:25] Yeah, very good. 


    Track 2:

    [27:26] Great fucking tune. Probably, yeah, this is, this may end up on the, for my pick, who knows. 


    Track 1:

    [27:33] All right, we roll into the first single from the record. 

    So this would be the song that introduced most people to this record and it's it's a song called vaccination scar First of all before we get into vaccination scar to either you guys have avaccination scar Nope. 

    No, my cousin has one and she's a year younger than me And I don't understand how she has one and I don't like expired shit. 


    Track 3:

    [27:59] They put in her arm, I guess maybe it's all my ears on your arm no it's on my calf oh wow okay it's on my calf well it's almost gone now but it was pretty prominent um almost untili turned 20 or something around there i mean my my brain with this one went just went to you know Pfizer and all the all the crazy bullshit oh no oh no i mean that's where i went i readthe song Title and I know okay. 

    This is probably about the booster the the cigar look bird Vaccination scar on my sister's left arm. 

    She's got right here. She's like three years older than me So she's got it. 

    But you know and that's like why the fuck did that thing scar like that? 

    I don't know. Could you imagine I mean, why didn't they build that into the the Johnson Johnson? 

    Johnson and Johnson could have had like, they have that trippy logo. 

    Have you ever seen their actual brand logo? 


    Track 1:

    [28:59] No. 


    Track 3:

    [28:59] Oh, people say it has like Satan in it, basically. 

    Oh, of course. It's hilarious. Pete, you would like that research. It's too bad. 


    Track 1:

    [29:08] But I'll tell you, this song would be a completely different song if the band still existed and they released a song called Vaccination Scar now. 

    Oh, big time. Wonder what the fuck it would be about. 


    Track 3:

    [29:21] Yeah They might lose listeners and gain listeners at the same. 


    Track 1:

    [29:25] Yeah, it's true Well, this one a throwback to a throwback, you know We've got the slide guitar again that we haven't really rolled out for a couple records. 

    I don't think What you guys think? 


    Track 3:

    [29:37] I You know the whole when they get into the slide guitar and kind of go back to So, you know the southern belt of the US kind of sound of rock and that's it's not my favorite thatthey do but right yeah I was a little surprised to hear this is the most listened song song on Spotify I look at that at those that I know I look at that data at the end of kind of my listening Idon't look at that at the beginning. 


    Track 1:

    [30:09] It does blow my mind because I get it that it's a single. 


    Track 3:

    [30:11] Yeah why? Is it because it has vaccination in the name? 


    Track 1:

    [30:15] It might be, because the fact that it's a single shouldn't factor into Spotify at this point. Yeah, yeah. Unless they do, unless they sort of do. 


    Track 2:

    [30:27] No, they don't retroactive, they don't retroactive shit like that. No. 


    Track 3:

    [30:32] Yeah, I wouldn't think so either. Yeah, but I thought, you know, this is really, It's the second song. 

    With political references to George Bush, the Iraq invasion, the WMDs that didn't exist, like this, there's references in the song about all of that. 

    And that in and of itself is like a time capsule of sorts. 


    Track 1:

    [30:57] Yeah, and we were thinking the world was a pretty bad place then. 


    Track 3:

    [31:00] Yeah, it's basically an anti-war song, even though like during that era, I don't know, there were like six or eight other countries that were on board with this whole attack, you know,I believe Spain was one of them. 


    Track 2:

    [31:13] So it's for everyone. Yeah. Right. States. 


    Track 3:

    [31:19] So, you know, I, I hate to say it, but I enjoy like hearing something political referencing the times and, you know, it becomes a time capsule type of song with, with those themesduring, let's see, I guess late 80s, in which these guys would have been totally in tune with. 

    You know, that's when the Bushes were really rising to power and going after mega weapons developments. 

    And a buddy of mine grew up in the Carolinas during those George Bush senior years and knew the family, and they have crazy stories about shit they were doing. 

    I don't need the FBI chasing me, but like, a lot of bullshit activity that involves war and weapons in the corporate aspect of America's machine and economy running on just. 

    The war machine. So that's where I feel like Gord's really tapping into in this album. And it keeps going. He's kind of in it in this album. 


    Track 1:

    [32:27] It was a tough environment to not be in it. And it rips my heart right out of my ribcage and throws it on the ground to think that this band isn't around anymore. 

    Because I would love to know what Gord's thinking about... 


    Track 2:

    [32:41] You're burying my fucking lead, JD. 


    Track 1:

    [32:43] Sorry, buddy. Go ahead. 


    Track 2:

    [32:44] No, no, dude, no, run with it, run with it. 


    Track 3:

    [32:47] They'd be the Pussy Riot of Canada, I'll tell you that. 


    Track 2:

    [32:49] JD, please, please continue, I'm sorry. 


    Track 1:

    [32:51] I just, I just, you know, I just, I would just love to hear his take on what's been going on the last five or six years, you know? 

    And we really missed out on that. And that's like, fuck cancer, you know? Fuck cancer. Yeah, yeah. 

    Some of the lyrics in this, I think they just roll. I think the way he sings in this song He's he's into that lower register, you know Like you said the with the side guitar like it's it's almost anolder version of the band and he's singing again in that older Version voice but man some of the lyrics that he strings together like even the chorus. 

    There's one thing I remember is the tear and the there's one thing I remember is this tear on your bare shoulder this little silver boulder the slowly falling star we're rolling so what nevergetting older where the moon shock curtains part to the start of enough a teardrop then a vaccination scar like holy shit I don't know how I get all that out imagine that writing moment inpen in hand and, you're just like it's just yeah it's incredible yeah well yeah I mean, I echo everything that you guys have said. 


    Track 2:

    [34:09] Funny point. 

    Just I don't want to leave it out because you made me think of it, Tim, when you were talking about George Bush. 

    This is not unknown, but a great George H.W. 

    Bush fact, Bush number one, our first Bush president, doesn't remember where he was the day Kennedy was shot. What? 


    Track 1:

    [34:34] Yeah, yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [34:35] Look that up. That's a total fact. And he was actually in Dallas because there's There's like evidence of it, but you know, everybody's like, I mean, I remember where I was in thechallenge of blew up I remember where I was when Kobe Bryant died when I remember when yeah 9-11 out. 

    Sorry Yeah, Kobe Bryant was you know, now that was a big bit bigger. 

    No offense to Kobe fans But yeah, and he was asked where were you when Kennedy was shot? 

    He's like, I don't remember like what? 


    Track 1:

    [35:05] Yeah Everybody of that generation, my mom knew where she was and she was a Canadian in Waterford. 


    Track 3:

    [35:10] You know, they're so detached. The, the, the, the, that whole section of political history just lived on. 


    Track 2:

    [35:17] If by detached, you mean culpable, Tim, then yes. 


    Track 3:

    [35:21] Yeah, yeah, completely. I mean, like just not relatable. 

    They just, honestly, like my, my buddy and his family in the late eighties, early 90s, used to meet up at one of their homes. This is the story. 

    Used to meet up at one of their homes on the coast, Bush's homes. 

    And like, oh, our new whatever jet boat is going to come by. 

    Can't wait to show you guys. We'll go for a ride. Like just completely alternative, horrible reality of life and what's appropriate. 


    Track 2:

    [35:59] Yeah, I mean, that family's, I mean, what more could you say without getting too political? 


    Track 3:

    [36:04] There was a moment when, we'll get off of politics here, there was a moment during the Trump administration where I was like, damn, I would take Mr. 

    Bush Jr. any moment, bring him back right now, let's swap him out. 

    And I never would have thought that when he was in office. You know? 


    Track 2:

    [36:22] Well, yeah, it's pretty sad. 


    Track 1:

    [36:24] For sure, I feel the same way. 


    Track 2:

    [36:26] It's pretty sad, though, that we're at, that stage, I mean, to bring it back to the record and sort of to not bring it back to the record, because musically, I feel like this song, you guyssummed it up. 

    But in terms of what JD said about the one thing I thought about this song, I kept thinking about was Gord and if he was alive today and this band was alive today. 

    And I say that because he was such a unifying icon for Canada and the band was, I mean, the guy could bring people together completely. 

    And I think America's been divided for a long time. 

    Tim and I both know that pretty well and anybody from the outside who's windowed… That's like his West Coasters, right? 

    You guys really have felt it. 


    Track 3:

    [37:26] Yeah, yeah, yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [37:29] But I think that in terms of Canada and everything that went on during the whole COVID lockdown and stuff, I feel like Gord would have had a really interesting take on it. 

    Because I feel like there was the... 

    You know, it's, there's always three sides of every story. And the way we kind of, most people experience COVID, most people, you either were fucking hardcore on the left, or you'rehardcore on the right. But there's one thing I've learned in life. 

    There's the way you think it happened. It's the way the other person thought it was happened. And then there's the way it really happened. 


    Track 1:

    [38:06] Look at you dropping extreme references, three sides to every story. 


    Track 2:

    [38:10] I'm just saying, I feel like Gordon would bring a fucking take, and the band would bring a take to, you know, what's going on in life at this time. 

    That just would open people's eyes. And a lot of people on both the right and the left would shut the fuck up and listen to A Voice of Reason, which- I think you're right. 

    Would have been Gord Downie, had it not been for his untimely death. 


    Track 3:

    [38:35] But I mean, we have that in this day and age, but it's just spread out. 

    And I don't know, less, it's smaller, smaller doses more widely spread out through music today. Well, there's plenty of bands doing it, but like, I don't know. 


    Track 2:

    [38:53] I agree sort of, Tim, but I think musically, it's one thing to do it musically, but Gord was more than a musician. 


    Track 3:

    [39:00] Yeah, yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [39:01] From what I've seen, he's a guy that would get up and make a fucking statement, like outside of music and nowadays I feel like when people make a statement that it's against, thecommon narrative of whatever, They're tarred and feathered as either. 

    You're a racist fuck or you're a liberal Nancy or whatever it is. 

    And the funny thing about Gord is you couldn't do that to him because he was Canada's fucking golden boy. So I would have loved to have seen anybody in Canada try to throw shade onthat motherfucker when he was... 

    Had he been here to dispel the truth like he always liked to do. 

    Anyway, I digress. How about... 


    Track 3:

    [39:43] I have a feeling like only rednecks in the South were throwing shade at him, you know. 


    Track 1:

    [39:49] There's a reference in this song about singing Life is Forgetting, and Life is Forgetting is in quotes. 

    I looked it up, I can't find a song called Life is Forgetting. 

    Is that something that rings the bell for you guys? 

    Or is that just, you know, the narrator basically saying that that's a song that somebody's singing that's made up? 


    Track 3:

    [40:12] Not sure. 


    Track 2:

    [40:15] No. I'm not sure either. But if I take it into context of what we're talking about, I think people forget, life is forgetting. 

    Tim made the reference earlier about wanting George Bush over Donald Trump at the height of whatever. 

    And I think people forget, you know, I am not Not a Donald Trump fan, didn't vote for the guy, but you can take all the shit that's said and everything, and I'm not carrying water foranybody, let me make this fucking clear, but it's mind boggling to me how we can think that, and I thought it at times too Tim, you're not alone in that, I think a lot of people thought it, buthow we could, be like, I'd rather have a guy who started a war, an illegal war on lies that killed upwards of a million people. 

    In the White House right now, rather than a guy who's just a total piece of shit scumbag who shouldn't be there in the first place. 

    Like we forget that there's a guy who is literally responsible for killing a million people and starting multiple illegal wars. And we'd rather have that person. So life is forgetting, JD. 

    I think that line belongs in that song. If we're talking about politics. 


    Track 1:

    [41:41] Well, he said fuck this and fuck that and this guy's the diplomat. 

    It can't be Nashville every night. 


    Track 3:

    [41:52] I love the simplicity of this one. It's quick. You know, what we are is what we lack. 

    That song was just like, if anything's going to make you think about oneself and what you're portraying and working on, or I don't know, that statement just slapped me. 

    There's Gord, I think, is faintly doing his own backup singing in this one, if you really crank it in your headphones, and it's fucking awesome, and it was even kind of cute. I just dug it. 

    The chorus, or maybe it's a verse, I don't know, the la-la-oh-oh-yas, you know, just simple, good rock and roll. 

    Apparently, he's poking fun at Toby Keith with this song. 


    Track 1:

    [42:41] Oh, did not know that. 


    Track 3:

    [42:42] He was a country music singer who was pro-America, pro-military, pro-goat. 


    Track 2:

    [42:51] He was Tarn and Feather the Dixie Chicks, man. He was one of the guys that went against the grain on that and threw them out to try. 


    Track 3:

    [42:59] Yeah, I also think this is like a song that's, Trying to let artists know that there's more to life than producing a single, you know? 

    This is a time of this era, fucking Maroon 5, Nickelback, you know? 

    This is a little bit later Lenny Kravitz, but when Lenny Kravitz is just like glossed up and just everyone knows the chorus, you know? 

    But nobody has bought the album, maybe. I don't know. I'm not dissing Lenny Kravitz too much. 

    You can diss Lenny Kravitz. He's his own... Well, he's the institution. 

    I mean, I saw him play live and he was incredible. 


    Track 1:

    [43:37] I did too. That first record was really good with the cab driver on it. 


    Track 3:

    [43:42] Yep. I saw Blind Melon open for them. Me too! 


    Track 1:

    [43:46] Oh, shit. 


    Track 3:

    [43:47] Dude, okay, just to digress. Blind Melon kicked Lenny and his band's ass. 

    Like, Blind Melon, they were so good then. You know, they... 


    Track 2:

    [43:59] Yeah, we've had this conversation, Jake. 


    Track 3:

    [44:00] Yeah, so good. So good. So anyways, you know, the song I thought was short and great. 

    And it's just, it's got some good quick statements. It was, I don't know, it just fit for where it was at and everything. That's about it. 


    Track 2:

    [44:17] Cool. I dug this tune. 

    Real quick, just to my Lenny Kravitz comment, not dissing the guy, I like the music. I think his daughter is a great actress. 


    Track 3:

    [44:30] Gorgeous. 


    Track 2:

    [44:31] Just never trust a guy who only plays a flying V. 


    Track 3:

    [44:33] Never. 


    Track 2:

    [44:38] It's a fucking red flag, ladies. 


    Track 3:

    [44:40] At the beginning of COVID, he was apparently stuck on his island in the Caribbean, or like a island with just a handful of other people living there. 

    And he's just like, just living off coconuts and pineapples and avocados, bro. 

    I was like, fuck you. That sounds perfect. 

    Yeah, I would have killed for that. 


    Track 2:

    [45:03] Yeah, I dug the song. I thought, I thought this is another one that would have been awesome live. The groove was just fantastic. 

    There's a line that he delivers that I'm sure you guys all noticed, but I love the the way it's, one is stares into the blur, stares into the glare, stares into the queer. 

    And it's just fucking, like the way he delivers it, I was like, what is he saying there? And I had to look up the lyrics, cause it was so cool. Cool. 

    Johnny Faye, literally, I don't know what it is, man. But like, this is when he's around early 2000. He started like getting like destroying crash cymbals. 

    And I know I pointed out to you guys this week as I was watching the video, like there's a, there's a concert they were playing, maybe it was at the Fillmore where he just broke a fuckingcymbal, because the motherfucker hit it so hard. 

    And you can see a guy replacing the cymbal like just coming in. 


    Track 3:

    [46:04] He has a drum tech, you know? 


    Track 2:

    [46:06] Oh, yeah, I know. Well, I mean, he's got something to come in and do it. 

    But like, middle of the song, guy's got to come in and replace the cymbal. I love it. 


    Track 3:

    [46:14] So cool. 


    Track 2:

    [46:14] So cool. This is this song and a number of others to point out at the end of the song, if you're wearing headphones, you can hear a couple drumsticks click. 

    Mm hmm. Oh, so this is this is one of the many Easter eggs on this record. 


    Track 3:

    [46:31] Yeah, I heard that too at first. I was like, is he hitting the rim? 

    But it really sounded like sticks. 


    Track 2:

    [46:36] There is one that he does. 


    Track 3:

    [46:37] He does. 


    Track 1:

    [46:38] He's just putting them down, though, right? He's just putting the sticks down kind of thing? 


    Track 3:

    [46:41] I mean, in general, yeah. You hear a little more drum nuggets on this album. 


    Track 2:

    [46:47] But I feel like these songs are like, it's just a signal to like, that was Johnny's song. 

    Like, all the ones that have those, this is Johnny's song. 

    Because he just fucking ripped on these ones. 


    Track 3:

    [46:59] Yeah, I feel like when a drummer does that, when a drummer just slaps down the sticks, It's like at the end of a good meal, and you just set your knife and fork down, and you'relike, fuck. 

    Just nailed it. And drummers do that with drummers that care. 

    When bands nail it, you can't. 

    I wish I could produce, because I would love to just yell at musicians, and tell them they're awesome, and tell them they're terrible. 


    Track 2:

    [47:26] Just kidding. 


    Track 3:

    [47:28] Just kidding. But that's that sound. That's like that triumphant sound of just killing it. 


    Track 1:

    [47:34] I win. Yeah, touchdown. We move next to Back, in fact. 

    Back to New Orleans. This is the second geographical song on the record of three, which is interesting. 

    But it's also a trip back to New Orleans. And I can't think of many other bands that would have a song as iconic as New Orleans is sinking, which would still be so heavy in the tourrotation and then they release another song with the same name in it. 

    I know that sounds like really trivial but it's interesting to me. 

    It's really interesting. 

    And this is a very different look at New Orleans and a very different sound but I dig this song. 


    Track 3:

    [48:23] Did they play there? Chady? 

    They played like a small clubs there, right? 


    Track 1:

    [48:29] Yeah, likely. Yeah down in the down in the south. 

    They weren't you know quite as As big as they were on the west coast and across the border for sure there was yeah They always but they always played like I mean they would do like au.s. 


    Track 3:

    [48:45] Tour that would be like 40 dates probably, you know, like they they were fairly thorough There was some reference it with this one about him him going back to New Orleans withfriends or something, just for vacation. 

    And I guess maybe in part this is about that visit, because he found places he wanted to go to that were closed, or... 


    Track 1:

    [49:08] Oh, okay. It's post-Katrina? 


    Track 3:

    [49:11] I mean, it's 2004. 


    Track 2:

    [49:11] No, it's pre-Katrina. 


    Track 1:

    [49:13] Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [49:13] Pre-Katrina. 


    Track 1:

    [49:14] Okay. 


    Track 3:

    [49:16] I thought this, you know, it's probably the most beautiful song on the album. It's just serene. 

    I don't know, it's love, it's death, it's fading, you know, rashing away the smiles. 

    It's like, fuck, that's just like storing up in your heart for the future, you know, it's just gorgeous guitar during the chorus. It's just, this is a great one. 


    Track 2:

    [49:39] Yeah, I thought that, I think this probably might be one of the better, if not one of the best hip songs. 

    And I say that, I don't say that lightly. I think it's a really good song and yeah, JD, I mean, I wrote the notes like, what's the deal with New Orleans? You know, why? 

    Just the song was beautiful. There's the lead in to it and then throughout the song, Rob Baker's using what I think by that time was probably pretty dialed in. 

    He was using an Ebo on his guitar, which is like one of those. 

    You ever seen one of those before? No. I've never been able to use it. 

    I'm not a good enough guitar player to be able to use it. 


    Track 1:

    [50:27] You stop. 


    Track 2:

    [50:27] No, dude, they're fucking hard to use. 


    Track 1:

    [50:29] Everybody go out and buy the record, Marchika, and the first one is out. 

    The second one is in production? 


    Track 2:

    [50:39] So the the the ebow is like a light it's like a ultraviolet light on this thing and you hold it over the guitar string and it it vibrates the string so it makes it sound like a violin bow henceebow electric bow. Oh okay I had no idea. 


    Track 3:

    [50:57] Me neither. 


    Track 2:

    [50:58] It's an amazing effect and it's really cool um some guys can pull it off with like volume and sustain but like he's not He's using an EBO on this shit. 

    And it's fucking, it's just a testament to the, like how talented these guys are. how you can. 

    Take what we've heard for the first five songs of this record and then bring it to this and just you're like transported to New Orleans and just you just I thought I kept thinking I saw NewOrleans in this and then hearing this song I felt like God I wish I could have heard this live at like Red Rocks. 


    Track 3:

    [51:35] Hell yeah yeah oh man. 


    Track 2:

    [51:39] Clear sky completely pitch black No lights, just drop the lights. 

    Give me a spotlight on Gordon, nothing else. 

    And Rob Baker during the EBO, but other than that. 


    Track 1:

    [51:49] **Matt Stauffer** Of course. 


    Track 3:

    [51:51] You have to be on psychedelics to use that thing or what? That sounds difficult. 


    Track 2:

    [51:54] **Robert Walsh** Dude, it's hard. 


    Track 3:

    [51:54] **Matt Stauffer** That sounds, yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [51:56] **Robert Walsh** It looks easy and everybody's like, yeah, it's not easy. It's not easy. 


    Track 1:

    [52:04] **Matt Stauffer** All right, let's go to to You're Everywhere and Reel Our Irish In. 


    Track 2:

    [52:12] The, I dug this song. The fucking melody in this song is just, it's wild. 

    I dug it. I dug it. It has a cool, it straps you in a little bit, like kind of soft and easy, but it just builds. 

    I feel like the lyrics to this song are scathing. 

    I didn't dig much into the meaning. But like reading them, just reading them once, I think when I had listened to it a number of times, I was like, Whoa, whoever or whatever this ismaking reference to is a tense subject. 


    Track 3:

    [53:00] Yeah, so to speak. Gord's angry. 


    Track 1:

    [53:03] Can you guys be more specific? 


    Track 2:

    [53:08] If I'd brought up lyrics, I could've. 


    Track 3:

    [53:10] I mean, on that note, I heard this song and I knew these guys were recording in Seattle and I figure that probably at this point in their career, probably not everything is writtenbefore recording, you know, like ahead of time, weeks or anything. 

    And I imagine these guys, you know, what are they doing, staying in some hotel in Seattle near this recording studio? And the fucking news during this era is nonstop all the time. 

    You know, it's just like, bad news all the time about the war and GWB. 

    And I mean, I wrote, you know, the heaviness of this song, I wrote, we're bombarded by by fear, we were then and now, fear and despair, and then driven out to be sold by hope, tarnishedby soldiers dying, or not having proper access to healthcare, or being addicts, or suicide rates, you know, when vets return from all of our glorious wars, and it's just kind of like the bandfeeling. 

    That the only way that anyone can attack this kind of corporate war machine that's happening is Is to sing about it, you know produce art about it there's a line in there that it keeps theeconomy alive it's like This song is the fuck that bullshit song, you know, you're everywhere point of the war man smedley butler's War is a racket. 


    Track 2:

    [54:38] Yeah, you haven't read it. It's pretty it's pretty quick read Yeah. 

    Fuck, yeah, I got a lot of what was going on during this time in this record. 

    It felt very like, if I closed my eyes and listened to this record and I had no idea when it was made, I would have been like, 2003, 2005, somewhere in there. 

    And not just because of the music itself, but yeah, because the content of it was just But this is another one that has drumsticks sound, putting down the drumsticks at the end. 

    So this is another one. Yeah. This is the second song that uses a slide too, so I'm not a big fan of the slide, but It's hard to not enjoy it when it's placed properly. 

    And a song, if it's done well. So I think this song does a good job. 


    Track 3:

    [55:43] I mean, sometimes there's a time and a place. I don't know. It's more of a historical feature to guitar playing for me. 

    I can't imagine some new song that would really enjoy that's featuring a slide. 


    Track 1:

    [55:58] Well, that's why I was so strange that Vaccination Scar was the first single. 

    Especially when Heaven is a Better Place Today is such a banger to open the record. 

    Yeah, why yeah Don't know. Don't know. I mean it wasn't it wasn't having this place better place today Wasn't a single at all. The singles were vaccination scar. 

    It can't be Nashville every night and then Gus Was the third single which is like pretty ambitious for a band to release that as a, single Yeah are gonna get that. That's right, that's right. Sothey're well past giving a fuck about trying to use singles to bring people in. Yeah, yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [56:46] Which, how wonderful. 


    Track 1:

    [56:48] How wonderful, right? 


    Track 3:

    [56:49] How wonderful. 


    Track 1:

    [56:50] They're just doing it for art's sake. 


    Track 2:

    [56:51] Freeing. 


    Track 1:

    [56:53] Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [56:54] I mean, I have a close cousin of mine who plays in a band here in Portland, I'll give him a quick plug, 40 feet tall. 

    And they're super fun. And they just hit it so hard and they have a few total fuck it songs and they do covers every once in a while. 

    They're courageous in their art, which I love, but it's one of those things also that not everybody gets. 

    Sometimes I think maybe the hip missed some listeners in the USA because fucking half Half the countries are dipshits. 


    Track 2:

    [57:35] You know what, and Tim, I don't disagree with you on there too, but I will say one thing too, just being from America and now not living there, and I know you've lived in Russiafor for some time too, Tim, but. 

    I think the difference with Russia and the United States, and this is somebody who hasn't lived in Russia, but there's somebody who's also lived outside the United States. 

    I think America is the most, probably the most propagandized country in the world that doesn't know it's being propagandized. 

    Like at least in Russia, you're like, yeah, this is all bullshit, but we just kind of go along with it anyway. The United States, like people actually believe like when they watch like FoxNews or MSNBC, They actually believe the shit they're seeing on TV. 

    And so when I think about, like both the left and the right, when I think about a band like this, I think like Americans attention span is like that of a fucking housefly. 

    They couldn't appreciate this fucking band if they had a gun to their head. 

    Could be. Most couldn't, dude. They just couldn't. 


    Track 3:

    [58:42] Could be. 


    Track 2:

    [58:42] It's just like, and so I think the hip probably just got like, fucking, why are we going to waste our time on these fucking dickheads this was like i said this was a fucking era ofmaroon five and britney spears you know yeah i mean jenny do you have to put explicit lyrics or explicit content on all of these because i just realize i'm dropping a few f-bombs oh yeahyeah okay okay yeah it's and on the old podcast on fully and completely we got a few comments that we swore too much oh really yeah yeah Yeah, Greg and I were like, oh, what thefuck. 

    It was Sam Elliott, and he was drinking a beer, and he was like, do you have to swear so much, dude? 


    Track 3:

    [59:23] It was all the Toby Keith fans who were like, yeah, I still don't like the hip. 


    Track 1:

    [59:29] Well, we move next into a real banger, coming out of that moody section with New Orleans is beat and you're everywhere. 

    And we go into as makeshift as you are, or as makeshift as we are. 

    What did you vibe on that one, Pete? 


    Track 2:

    [59:49] So this song comes on right when I put the quarters into the pool table and I push the slide in and those balls drop and I'm just racking it up. 

    Racking up a game of pool. That's what this song is for me. 


    Track 3:

    [1:00:06] That's fucking beautiful. 


    Track 2:

    [1:00:08] Popping a cold Coors Light. 

    There's some really low tone. This is another song and this record really opened up my eyes because I feel like I've been a bit of a fucking Rob Baker fanboy. I'll cop to that. 


    Track 1:

    [1:00:26] No. 


    Track 2:

    [1:00:27] Last couple of pods, but Paul Langlois is a fucking solid guitar player, dude. 

    You don't notice it unless you look to it. As a matter of fact, one of the things I was thinking of on this song... 

    And also this week and I was watching some live hit videos and I challenge anybody in the community to do this. 

    Listen to a song or and or watch a live recording a live, you know, performance. 

    Watch it five times and each time focus on the instrument of the person you're focusing on and listen to them play their instrument. 

    It is fucking cool. And I did that a number of times with Paul Aigloire. 

    I've done it many times with Rob Baker more than I care to admit. 


    Track 3:

    [1:01:25] But no, Paul- Are you having dreams about him? 


    Track 2:

    [1:01:29] No, no, no, I'm making wisecracks. But it's easy to, it's easy to, the focus to just go right to gourd when the chorus hits or he does some fucking amazing shit. 

    But if you really focus on the individual instruments, you will see how fucking polished these musicians are. 


    Track 3:

    [1:01:48] Yeah, super pro. 


    Track 2:

    [1:01:49] And then one line that stuck out to me, I love the bridge in the song. 

    I love the harmonies when they all come in together because it feels like the whole band singing. 

    As Gord says, let's shake some snow off his shoulders. And I fucking love that line. 

    And there's a rimshot drum hit at the end of the song. So this is the last one where you can hear the drums at the end of the song. Just a little... 

    That's cool. That's cool fucking love it. 


    Track 3:

    [1:02:24] Yeah, I dug how Gord just stepped up again his kind of octave, you know, like at the two-minute mark he, I Don't know this up this song I thought like my wife and my kid needto leave the house so I can just completely Crank it cuz this one like could crack the plaster in the walls of my own You know, it's just it's a shaker. 

    It's ultimately, I thought like this was a It's a song about how we're all different but the same, you know? 

    It's not necessarily a, well it's kind of a, can we all get along? 

    But it's like, let's really look and see each other work together. 

    This is, there's themes, it's amazing in this album, there are themes that progress through it, which is fucking cool. 

    Like not many, to me, not many artists actually do that unless, you know, you're Morrissey and you're singing about being depressed every single goddamn song. 

    But yeah, this song could crack walls. It's loaded. It's awesome in the car, a total sing-along. 

    This one, I don't know, it fit really well with the placement of all the tracks. 

    It just works. It's good. 


    Track 1:

    [1:03:40] What do you guys think it means when he says lead never leaves your system no matter who you are That we're all fucking human. 


    Track 3:

    [1:03:47] That's what I think like, right, you know, like and also Also, you know, mind your words, mind your actions. You know, that's kind of what it means to me. 


    Track 2:

    [1:04:01] JD, I don't know, I mean it's 2004 so there's no references to Flint, Michigan, but I have a feeling Gord would have had some shit to say about that, had he done it. 


    Track 1:

    [1:04:13] Oh boy, than he ever. Yeah, he would have been down there with Michael Moore for sure. 


    Track 3:

    [1:04:17] He'd have raised a billion dollars for that system that still isn't fixed. 


    Track 1:

    [1:04:20] Yeah. Fucking bitches. in Northern Canada that don't have water, that don't have potable water. 

    Like indigenous communities that don't have water. Like, are you kidding me? 


    Track 2:

    [1:04:34] Yeah, but not to one-up you, Canada, but did your prime minister go to those towns and drink a glass of water and say, it's delicious? No. 

    Because ours did. Thanks, Obama. 

    That was such a shit stunt, man. They still got dirty water there, man. Poor fucking people. 


    Track 1:

    [1:04:56] All right. Mean Streak. This is one of the longer songs on the record, up 4.10. Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [1:05:01] Yeah. I thought this was kind of, I mean, contextually it's maybe, conceptually, I should say, it's maybe about like the old west and, you know, raping and pillaging land and thosekinds of themes that we've become accustomed with the hit. 

    Let's see what was one of the lyrics. The way the dust clings to the air after the stranger has been here. I mean that's that's so ominous or something. 

    That's just such a heavy, heavy line. 

    There's this really nice kind of lazy, lovely, lazy lead guitar happening. 

    What else did I have on this one? The drum and the bass together, which often is super. 

    I don't know, this one made me hear, made me notice that drums and bass guitar throughout this album are just a little bit, they're like, we went from a V8 to a 12 or something, Like wejust went bigger, so I love that. 


    [1:06:14] I also heard in this one a little bit of Pearl Jam. Like there's some kind of Pearl Jam sound happening here, which doesn't by any means bother me. 

    And this was, you know, big beginning of big, or no, we're into the Pearl Jam era at this point. Well into it. 

    And then we get like two minutes of Gord kind of singing in the shadows, but we get like two minutes of music in the final part of the song. 

    And I love when they do that. I love that they could throw a track in an album where their confidence level is like so easily attained that they just can play two minutes of a song withoutmuch lyrics going on and just end it. 

    End it. I dig that when they get to that point. 


    Track 1:

    [1:07:05] Yeah, it's nice that the band gets to showcase themselves as well, because this is a band that, unless I'm mistaken, I don't think there's any instrumentals, like ever on any of therecords. 

    This is a band that I would totally listen to an instrumental track, you know? 


    Track 3:

    [1:07:23] Yeah, yeah, big time. 


    Track 2:

    [1:07:26] What do you think of Mean Street? No, I think you're rigged in terms of instrumentals. 

    I don't think there is and I would fucking absolutely. 

    I mean, I dug it, I kind of got a little bit of Western vibe to it, certainly ominous. 

    The song builds musically, and this is another one where it's like a testament to the quality of musicians because I think the song itself like chord structures and even like if you just listento the words and you don't think about what they mean can be a bit monotonous But because the band is so good and they just know how to build a fucking song like a. 


    Track 3:

    [1:08:16] Fucking architects. 


    Track 2:

    [1:08:17] Yeah, did you ever play Legos when you were a kid? Yeah. Yeah, they had fucking Legos, right? 

    Whatever. And, you know, there were some Lego sets that were fucking easy as shit and there were other ones like, I remember I had the Monorail when I was a kid and that shit wasfucking hard to build if you were like seven. 

    It wasn't easy, it took some time. 

    But these guys, I feel like whatever song they're going to build, they just take it out of the fucking box and they put it together. 

    They got the directions, they know, they don't even need the directions, they just build it. And this is a fucking, yeah, this is a great tune. 

    I don't have much more to say about this one, I echo what Tim said. 


    Track 1:

    [1:08:56] Let's move on to the heart of the melt. 


    Track 3:

    [1:08:58] Hey, let's take two, I got a bio break happening. A little bio break? Yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [1:09:03] Alright. 


    Track 3:

    [1:09:05] Bio? 


    Track 1:

    [1:09:06] I'm like, bio, biology. Just gotta take a pee-pee. 


    Track 2:

    [1:09:10] I'm gonna do the same. 


    Track 1:

    [1:09:11] Alright, I'll see you in a minute. I'm gonna do the same. 

    I'll see you guys all this can't keep up with your young man, Perth break All right, see you guys in two. 

    What pavement shirt you got on there, buddy? 


    Track 2:

    [1:10:32] Oh yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [1:10:33] Which one have you got? 


    Track 2:

    [1:10:35] That's the slow century one I got at the show in Copenhagen. 


    Track 1:

    [1:10:40] One night in Copenhagen? 


    Track 2:

    [1:10:42] Yeah, we're getting there. We're almost there. Next song. Oh, man. I am beat, dude. 

    I fucking, oh, I'm not looking forward to this week, man. I'm telling you. 


    Track 1:

    [1:10:55] This is recording week? No, next week is recording week. 


    Track 2:

    [1:10:58] Next week, but I'm preparing. East is going to Ibiza on Wednesday. 

    Friday morning and Friday day, midday, I'm driving to Puerto Blanco to work. 

    So, I'm going to go to Ibiza. on Wednesday, Friday morning and Friday day, midday I'm driving to Puerto Blanco to work the weekend, Sunday I have to drive out to Sevilla which is likea three-hour drive after the two and a half hour drive on fucking Friday and then we're gonna be there all week and just like oh. 

    Oh, is what it is, man is what it is, but is what it is. 

    Yeah, and I'm just trying to, I've been trying to record some just last minute demos to make sure everything is. 


    Track 1:

    [1:11:42] Are you happy? 


    Track 2:

    [1:11:42] Are you clear? 


    Track 1:

    [1:11:43] Are you happy with what you got to to lay down? 


    Track 2:

    [1:11:46] Um, I wouldn't say that. No, I'm not. All right. You know, I guess we'll see. I don't feel branches. 

    I don't feel I feel super confident. Oh, look at you, Tim. Nice of you to bring something for everybody else. 


    Track 1:

    [1:12:00] Yeah, thanks. I'd like a mimosa. Yeah. Like a mimosa, Mr. Leiden. 

    Little pancake action? 


    Track 3:

    [1:12:10] Pancakes with some peanut butter and some kind of maple syrup made in Memphis. Just kidding. 


    Track 1:

    [1:12:18] Memphis maple syrup? 


    Track 3:

    [1:12:19] Just kidding. Come on. 


    Track 1:

    [1:12:20] Okay. 


    Track 2:

    [1:12:26] JD's like, what are you talking about, man? 


    Track 1:

    [1:12:28] Well, I'm not big on Canadian maple syrup, blah, blah, blah. 


    Track 2:

    [1:12:30] Oh, you have to be. 


    Track 3:

    [1:12:32] Oh, dude. 


    Track 2:

    [1:12:33] We are. Yeah, okay. 


    Track 1:

    [1:12:35] Fuck yeah, dude. 


    Track 2:

    [1:12:36] You know what a small bottle of... Go ahead, sorry. 


    Track 1:

    [1:12:39] I prefer table syrup to maple syrup. 


    Track 3:

    [1:12:41] Boo! 


    Track 1:

    [1:12:42] Aunt Jemima. Yeah, isn't that funny? My wife just cringes. She cringes. 

    The Canadian cringe? That she has to buy that shit. Yeah. Anyway, sure. 


    Track 2:

    [1:12:50] You know what a bottle of maple syrup... Like a bottle like this big of maple syrup goes for in Spain? 


    Track 3:

    [1:12:58] 12 euros. 


    Track 2:

    [1:13:00] Try like, you know, 15, 16. Ooh! 


    Track 1:

    [1:13:02] Really? 


    Track 2:

    [1:13:05] Oh, yeah, like legit Canadian maple syrup. 


    Track 1:

    [1:13:07] Wow. 


    Track 2:

    [1:13:08] I should have known that to bring you to bring you some No, I mean bring me a case and go sell it dude. 


    Track 3:

    [1:13:15] Let's let's let's container over some barrels That's what I'm thinking fucking bottle it there There you go cheaper labor in Spain The capitalists in them comes out Yeah, exactly. 

    Yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [1:13:36] All right, let's jump back in. 

    Yeah, we gotta jump back in. The Heart of the Melt. 


    Track 2:

    [1:13:43] The Heart of the Melt. 


    Track 1:

    [1:13:46] Strange title. Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [1:13:49] I mean, love song, you know? It's not about a heart. 


    Track 2:

    [1:13:55] This is a, no, it's a patty melt? 


    Track 3:

    [1:14:01] Tuna melt? 


    Track 1:

    [1:14:02] Moons over my hammy. 


    Track 2:

    [1:14:04] I feel like this song, this song really the guitar, the the record turned super guitar heavy. 

    Once this song like hits, like it just it just shifts the record. 

    There's I mean, a complete Neil. If you don't hear the opening of Keep Keep on Rocking in the Free World and you're fucking high, which could very well be. I mean you guys are inCanada. 


    Track 3:

    [1:14:32] Well, I think two out of three today at least Yeah, oh, I don't know definitely Um, there's maybe we're three for three today. I don't know. I don't want to fold it. 


    Track 2:

    [1:14:45] No, I wish. Okay, I wish this. 

    Yeah, this song is is just turns really heavy. I fucking love it. 


    Track 1:

    [1:14:55] Almost punky almost right? Like it's almost like the vocal melody is really crunchy. 

    You're right. It's got that Neil Young. Keep on rocking the free world going. 

    Yeah, it's and then that reference to Joni Mitchell in there. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [1:15:17] Yeah, there's some time signature changes constantly with the drums and just Johnny Faye, just fucking, I feel like there's a lot of him on this record, like more than other records,like where he just is like, hey guys, I'm gonna do my thing. 

    And they're like, okay, because it just, he takes the reins on this song. 

    Just just in terms of the drums and like how everything changes. 

    I think it's fucking cool and it sounds easy, it sounds cool, it sounds fun, but it's not fucking easy man. 

    A lot of people can pull that shit off, but he does it really fucking well, so yeah I dug it man. What about you Tim? 


    Track 3:

    [1:15:59] I mean, I dug it too. This is like, uh, just sitting here talking through it and... 

    I don't know, this is a song that I guess maybe an album that would just be easy to hang out and listen to. 

    I mean, I just want to put this album on and be in kind of that era and have people over, you know? 

    This is one of those albums that if I could have had it in this time and place, it would have been something I would have been playing start to finish as an album during these times, youknow, I wish I would have had it. 

    This this song, though, the the line, the dorsal fin, you cannot swim for a guy who spent a lot of time in the ocean and had some run in with not a shark. 

    But whole nother story for another podcast, large salmon. 

    No, like that's I love that line. The door is a great line. Dorsal fin, you cannot swim. I mean, that's just he's got a thing with sharks, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [1:17:01] The song called Sharks. 


    Track 3:

    [1:17:02] Lots of animals. 


    Track 1:

    [1:17:04] In the Dark Canuck, he talks about Jaws, you know? 


    Track 3:

    [1:17:09] There's this massive guitar, like, Pete, the last 30 seconds, the guitar is just... 


    Track 2:

    [1:17:15] Yeah, this song, it changes the vibe of the record, I think. Yeah, yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [1:17:19] What the fuck am I doing here? But in its place, in the track order, again, you know, I kind of look at albums like chapters of a book. 

    It's fucking awesome. I mean, it just fits. 

    And I thought like this one live, if that last 30 seconds of guitar could just fuzz out and go to 45 seconds or what have you, like if that could just be drizzled a little bit longer, it'd be good. 

    I mean, that was a fun song. I don't, I mean, thematically, conceptually, I don't know, some Joni Mitchell references, I guess, in there from what I read, but I just felt like it was some kindof love song and just left it there. 

    Cool. Yeah. One night in Copenhagen. Yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [1:18:07] When the drugs hit you. Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [1:18:09] So, I mean, I know Pete was in Copenhagen the past year, right? 

    Was that your first time there? 


    Track 2:

    [1:18:17] It was. It was my first time there. 


    Track 3:

    [1:18:19] Okay. Yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [1:18:19] Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [1:18:20] So, I almost bought tickets to the same show Pete went to in Copenhagen. 

    I remember. What month was that? What month was it? 


    Track 2:

    [1:18:27] It was right before Halloween, I think. Okay. 


    Track 1:

    [1:18:30] It was in October. 


    Track 3:

    [1:18:31] Yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [1:18:32] Yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [1:18:33] Yeah, because it was after I saw them in the UK. 


    Track 3:

    [1:18:36] Yeah. I'm curious to find out more, but I know Copenhagen's pretty liberal city and fast forward thinking and sustainability kind of off the charts, just great sounding city, country.It's weird, man. 


    Track 2:

    [1:18:53] It's weird, like, dude, living here, man, it's so funny because I feel like The more like liberal and sustainable a city is, they are, and then you like look and then you'll see somethingand be like, well, what the fuck is that? 

    That's like crazy fascist right wing fucking 1945 shit right there, because like you'll see little. 

    You experienced that in Copenhagen? 

    Oh, I did experience it in Copenhagen. I experienced it in Spain here. 


    Track 3:

    [1:19:24] Yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [1:19:26] Spain is super liberal in so many things and like other things are just like, dude, I thought Franco was dead. 

    Like, you're like, I mean, it's just weird, like, yeah, I feel like the more a country is like balanced, you're like, yeah, it's liberal, it's conservative, then you're just like, everything's kind ofthe same. 

    But when something's like, one way towards the other, then whatever the, the outlying thing is, will be equally as extreme. 

    I don't know if that makes sense, but I saw that a couple times in Copenhagen I was like this is this is like a liberal bastion. I love it, and then I wanted to do things. 


    Track 3:

    [1:20:04] I was like whoa That really stands out Well during this era Specifically the I don't know if it still exists, but there apparently there's a neighborhood in Copenhagen. 

    That's Christian, you know, okay That's known for the weed the fucking weed Yeah, okay good good I wonder that's the reference in the song like when the drugs hit you the thing yeahYeah, I hope so. 

    That's what I imagined, you know there's a reference here to the deers fluorescent and When I heard that I didn't even know what Gord had said and had to you know later stop and lookthis one up and look it up and look it up and look it up and it was like what the fuck how did he pick this up or even consider it? 


    Track 1:

    [1:20:58] What did you discover? 


    Track 3:

    [1:20:59] Well, it's, I couldn't get into it, because. 

    Was going to take much more time in Nerddom, and I didn't put that in. 

    But it's basically, from what I deduced, a wavelength measurement of fluorescence. Oh, wow. 

    So I think his reference in Nadir's Fluorescent is the idea of being on stage or the, you know, being under the lights. 

    That's the only thing I could pick up there. But then there's this lyric, which took me to another place, which often happens with their songs. 

    The shriek of a gull suspended in air, the sound of the town, anywhere, anywhere. 

    And JD and I were in Porto, Portugal, last, let's see, 20, what, what, give me the time frame, JD. 

    June of, yeah, June of 22. Yeah. Or 21. 22. 22. 

    And one night while we were there, we were kind of in north of Porto, Portugal, and one night, late in the night, there was this fucking fireworks show out of nowhere. I think a club lit offfireworks. 


    Track 1:

    [1:22:07] That's right. 


    Track 3:

    [1:22:09] And the gulls, all the seagulls, I mean, we're on the coast. 

    How many seagulls? I don't know. 6,000? Many. 

    But the gulls flipped out and screamed for like 20 minutes after the fireworks ended. It was so surreal and weird. 

    It just took me back to that night, you know, laying in bed. 


    Track 1:

    [1:22:29] That's cool. 


    Track 3:

    [1:22:29] It's going out with the birds. Yeah, that's the kind of epic gift of The Hip is they can take you places. And this song took me to Copenhagen. 

    I have a friend living there who I worked with in Russia, who I haven't really connected with, but she's like, you gotta come here. 

    And I knew Pete had gone to a show there because I looked into flights to fucking go more into debt to follow that damn band, Pavement. 

    But didn't pull the trigger i was really close so so i was like ah copenhagen this this the shriek of the goal i mean this, It's just an amazing tune. It just kind of took me all over. It was great.


    Track 2:

    [1:23:11] Yeah, it's a fucking cool tune. I'll have to tell you, I mean, I don't think we have time for it, so we'll save it for another time, but I'll tell you my Christiania story, FreetownChristiania story next episode. So stay tuned. Oh, yeah. 

    No, it's it's a it's interesting. 

    Copenhagen is an interesting town. I really dug it. 


    Track 3:

    [1:23:37] Maybe we maybe we do a special episode JD will just special bonus episode just talk about how how he got way too high one night and freaked out. 


    Track 2:

    [1:23:48] Well, it's so that that whole town I'll tell you real quick. 

    I won't even give you I'm not gonna give you the story of what happen there. 

    But I think that the Deere's fluorescent may be just a reference to something in Freetown there. 

    It's an artist colony. 


    [1:24:12] Picture Laguna Beach, which you know, Tim, all every art gallery, but like, not fancy, not Ferraris and BMWs driving around just like total hippies from the 60s and 70s. 

    Not safe. A lot of drugs. Yeah. And not to diss it, but it's like it's not people think of it as like this. 

    You know what people think of when they're bright eyed and bushy tailed to move to San Francisco and I get there and I'm just like oh fuck this is not like it was in the storybooks. 

    It's the real world and anyway there's a lot of like... 

    Funky fluorescent art galleries there so that's right okay cool I digress yeah well I'll tell you that Freetown story soon but subscribe to the bonus feed everybody we'll each do an episodeabout some city we were in and something happened, are we family? 


    Track 3:

    [1:25:22] Are we family? I mean, come on, this, this song, it's, it's, it's a heavy one, you know, it's like, after I heard it, it was, it was a time and place song. 

    And that means for me, like, probably only going to listen to it if I can sit down and have dedicated time to it, or it's just way in the background. 

    It's just not something like this one comes on the radio, and I'm not ready for it, I literally would go to something else. 

    Not because I don't like it, but I think it's just heavy material. 

    It's family strife, it's struggles of cohabitating, and it's also like fucking racism. 

    There's some reference here to a British Columbia teenager, Rina Virk, who was basically beaten to death by students in B.C. 


    [1:26:16] Yeah, this song's fucking loaded. 

    Her story to be embedded into this, it's just kind of this sad tune. 

    It sounds a little bit hopeless. It sounds like there's fucking great clouds that moved in. 

    It's doomful, you know? But then the last minute of the song, it kind of comes together and it feels like love can still win or be triumphant, there was a lot of feelings for me in this song. 

    It almost felt like in that last minute also, I don't know if it's the guitars or what, but it felt like a horn section could have come in and just pronounced that this song is about life and beingkind to everybody, no matter what. 

    And I just like, I don't know, this is like a, come on, people! 

    After watching the new song, you know, it's like, fuck. 

    Still dealing with social issues with our not real evolution in this life. 

    That's kind of where I went. Wah! Heavy! 


    Track 2:

    [1:27:28] Yeah, it's a heavy tune. I mean, the opening lick is fucking, pfft, pfft. 

    I get some heavy Pearl Jam vibes from this tune. Sure. You know, I could say so much about the tune. 

    It's a beautiful tune. If you haven't heard it, go fucking listen to it. 

    I mean, I'm not gonna wax poetically as I so often do on, on like. 

    The musicality of it and all that shit. Just what this song made me feel and think. 

    Gord's phrasing was beautiful. It was fucking amazing. 

    And I think he's a genius. But then I also started to think, I was like, you know what? Everybody's a genius. 

    Even the most horrible person in the world is a genius. 

    And I really truly mean that. Like, think of the person that you fucking hate the most. And they're a genius. 

    Einstein had a great quote that said, everybody's a genius, but if you ask a fish to climb a tree, it will always feel stupid. 


    [1:28:39] And bringing it back to this song is, thankfully, I think everybody, I probably butchered that quote, by the way, it's not verbatim, but it's a great quote. 

    You know, Gord, thankfully for everybody in Canada and everybody listening is that we were able to like have the genius of this band, primarily right here, Gord Downie, recordedbecause you can see the progression over time, because I feel like this song is just like So fucking, how did this come to be created, this fucking song? 

    And with the title, Are We Family, towards the end, Gord Sinclair comes in with some really super sweet bass. 

    I feel like every member of the band gets kind of a moment to shine in this song. 

    They have like a little part where their instrument or their voice or their, however their contribution is, is a little bit higher volume than everybody else. And it's fucking cool. beautifulsong. 

    Anyway, that's what I got to say about Are We Family. 


    Track 3:

    [1:29:47] Agreed, agreed. 


    Track 1:

    [1:29:49] All right. Well, then we wrap up the record with Goodnight Josephine. 


    Track 2:

    [1:30:01] Goodnight Josephine. I really like this song. I thought the na na na na na's were way out of character for the band, but it was cool and fitting. 

    It was sad. 

    I was a little, I was a little partial here to the guitars and kind of the way they helped build the song, because I feel like. 

    And you guys know, I really dig the guitars mostly in this band because I play guitar and I pay attention to those just by default, sometimes more than other things. 

    But at some point, the song is just running along beautifully. 

    And then Rob Baker comes in and just fucking pushes everybody out of the way. 

    He kind of steps on it. Yeah, he does. 

    I don't think in a bad way, but he just comes in, he's like, He's like, hey, motherfuckers, like maybe he walks in the studio drunk or he's like, time for my solo, man. He just does it. I don'tmean disrespect. He just does it. 


    Track 3:

    [1:31:13] It's totally true, though. And I think maybe it's what helped steer this song into being a fade out song, you know? 

    Honestly, this song could have, you know, half, two thirds way through, it just could have been different. And it's a fade out song. 

    This is like another song where I can hear horns, but they're not there. You know, I don't know. 

    I, I really kind of have this, uh, yearning to produce an album and be around. 

    And I wish I could sit in on hip recordings, like one or two times per albums and just give a nugget, you know, it would be, that would be like a dream job for me, but next week, man. 


    Track 2:

    [1:32:00] Poke your plate. 


    Track 3:

    [1:32:01] We need a producer. We need a live fundraiser happening, starting now. 

    Anyways, I thought this was a great ender. I don't know what it's about, or who it's about, or what it might be. It might be just... 

    It's some song about Josephine. There's so many Josephines in history. 

    There's many historical Josephine characters, I think. I don't know. 

    Who knows what was going on in Gordon? 


    Track 2:

    [1:32:28] Probably was good live, man. 


    Track 3:

    [1:32:29] Yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [1:32:30] I bet. 


    Track 1:

    [1:32:30] He really pushes the vocals in this song. Yeah. Near the end when he's like, good night, good night. 


    Track 3:

    [1:32:36] Yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [1:32:37] You know, like just so great. 


    Track 3:

    [1:32:39] It was, to me, it was a good conclusion to an album that I was happy to enjoy the listening process through, you know, the, not to beat it up more, but in Violet Light, like I respectthe art of it and everything that it is, but listening to In Between Evolution, this is one of the hip albums for me where I was like, whew, good. 

    For what I seek, yearn from the hip, this is kind of that DNA, that makeup of tracks to comprise an album. 

    It was a good one for me. It was a pretty fun listen. And maybe, I don't know, maybe, I hate to say it, because we haven't listened to them all, but maybe one of my favorites so far, album-wise. 

    I had fun with this one. I listened to it, probably the most of all the ones we've listened to yet. 

    Maybe we're coming out, I mean, this is not aired during winter, but maybe it's part of coming out of winter in fucking Portland, Oregon. 

    I don't know. Summer, a song about summer, you know, it's just lots of great themes in this album and just, it was good. 


    Track 1:

    [1:33:55] I feel like it really, with Goodnight Josephine, it really leaves you on a good footing for the next record. 

    The sequencing of this record is really good. And Goodnight Josephine is a perfect last song to just sort of set you up and go, okay, we're going to be back in two more years. 

    I don't think they were back in two years. I think the next record came out three years later, which was their first sort of deviation from the two two-year mark. 

    I might be wrong, but it just leaves you feeling great. Just great. I love it. 


    Track 3:

    [1:34:39] I'm bummed you didn't see this tour, J.D. 


    Track 1:

    [1:34:42] Me too. 


    Track 3:

    [1:34:43] I'm slapping you a little bit for that. I'm curious. 


    Track 1:

    [1:34:46] And your slap is a gift, my friend. 


    Track 3:

    [1:34:48] I'm just curious to know if there's a story there or not or what. 


    Track 2:

    [1:34:53] Well done, J.D. Yeah. Yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [1:34:54] Well done. Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [1:34:56] I didn't say where I was slapping you. 


    Track 1:

    [1:35:00] Wow, either way it's GIF. Now the hard part! 

    Your mvp track for your playlists and i've decided i've decided i'll edit this part out but i've decided that when you guys uh have your playlists you guys have to sequence them as wellfuck like because you otherwise it's just going to be in order and it's going to go the first ep like to like it'll it'll sound so weird to start with the first ep and end with man machine poemyou know like i think you guys should have to yeah put a little bit of put a put a little bit of scratch into them. 


    Track 3:

    [1:35:34] All right, we can take a go at that. 


    Track 1:

    [1:35:36] That sounds fun. Yeah, so your MVP track for this record that'll go on the playlist, Timmy on a Lemmy. 


    Track 3:

    [1:35:45] Pete, how about I guess yours and you guess mine? Do you wanna play that game? 


    Track 2:

    [1:35:49] Yeah, totally, I'll play that game. 


    Track 3:

    [1:35:51] I think you're all about Gus. 


    Track 2:

    [1:35:53] You fucker. And you're all about Summer Is Killin' Us. 


    Track 3:

    [1:35:59] Yeah, bro, of course. August birthday, of course, Summer's Killing Us. 

    Oh, that's so fantastic. 


    Track 2:

    [1:36:06] That was too easy. That was too easy. 


    Track 3:

    [1:36:08] Too easy. I mean, there's some other good ones here, of course. 


    Track 2:

    [1:36:11] Totally. 


    Track 3:

    [1:36:12] I really liked You're Everywhere. Mean Streak, I listened to for something that's more serene. I don't know. 

    I listened to that one two times. There's a couple of songs on this one I listened to twice in a row. And I'm starting to do that with these albums where I get to a song and it finishes and I goright back and hear it again on first listen. 


    Track 1:

    [1:36:34] Wow. 


    Track 3:

    [1:36:34] Yeah. But then One Night in Copenhagen was that too. I really dug that song, so. 

    There are some good ones here for me. I was. There's some good ones for sure. 

    Yeah, I didn't even microdose that week while listening, so here we are. 


    Track 1:

    [1:36:48] You macrodosed. No. You hit the whole goddamn mushroom. 


    Track 3:

    [1:36:54] The whole bag. 


    Track 1:

    [1:36:56] Oh man. I wish I was there. 


    Track 3:

    [1:37:00] They're legal here, so here we are. 


    Track 1:

    [1:37:03] That's what we got for you this week. Hope you enjoyed yourself. 

    As always, it's my pleasure to be joined by you two. You guys are doing a great job with this. 

    I'm envious that you're getting to hear these songs for the first time. 

    But through you, I'm getting to hear them for the first time again, and that's really rewarding for me. So thanks so much, guys. 


    Track 3:

    [1:37:26] Yeah, I just wish we could Play a whole album loudly somewhere and drink beers and hang out, you know, we're due for that. 


    Track 2:

    [1:37:34] I have a feeling it's gonna happen Let's do it Yeah, hear that from from Timmy's mouth to God's ears All right, boys. 


    Track 1:

    [1:37:45] We'll talk to you next week. 


    Track 3:

    [1:37:46] Thanks for your day fellas. 



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    1 hr 47 min
  • Talking with 50 Mission

    Join jD, Pete, and Tim as they welcome 50 Mission to the podcast. 50 Mission will be playing at the finale event and you can learn more about them by visiting their website https://www.50missionband.com/

    TranscriptIntroductions and greetings


    Track 2:

    [0:00] So have you guys met each other here? 


    Track 1:

    [0:03] Yeah, this is Steve. I'm Steve. 


    Track 3:

    [0:06] I'm Ron. 


    Track 1:

    [0:07] Ike. Ike plays bass. 

    Alirio, I'm the nice drummer. The nice looking drummer. 

    Yeah, he's got a weird accent. So you may have to ask what you're saying. 

    Yeah, there's a couple accents there. Latino accent. I might switch to Spanish. 


    Track 2:

    [0:26] Yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [0:28] In Spain, I already speak Spanish. 


    Track 3:

    [0:30] Where are you from? 


    Track 1:

    [0:32] Originally from Venezuela. Venezuela. 


    Track 3:

    [0:37] And I heard another accent there, too. 


    Track 1:

    [0:43] No, just one. The invi... Oh, different Canadian, oh, maybe, maybe, uh... 

    Maybe like Newfie accent. Newfie accent, yeah, yeah. Canadian, but... I don't think so. 

    Introduction and Location Discussion


    Track 3:

    [0:55] Where do they live? Where do you guys live at? 


    Track 1:

    [0:58] We're in the Brantford area, pretty much all of us. Yeah, it's like 100 kilometers west of Toronto. 

    So we're about that area, yeah. 

    Yeah, pretty much from where Jamie's from. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just north of Waterford. 

    We're actually just north of Boston, Jamie. 


    Track 2:

    [1:18] Oh, okay. 


    Track 1:

    [1:20] East of Boston, sorry, yeah. Where are you from, Jamie? 


    Track 2:

    [1:24] I grew up in Waterford. 


    Track 1:

    [1:25] Oh, there you go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we played the old town hall there a couple times. 


    Track 2:

    [1:32] Yeah, it's a cool venue, right? 


    Track 1:

    [1:34] Oh, it's a great venue. The stage is beautiful. It's just a really nice place. 

    I mean, I would love to go see a band there, right? 


    Track 2:

    [1:41] Yeah, I saw Huxley Workman there. 


    Track 1:

    [1:42] Nice. Yeah. Yeah, and I saw the Sheepdogs there three years ago. 

    Yeah. Oh, wow. It was great, yeah. It was packed with the Sheepdogs. 


    Track 3:

    [1:51] How'd you guys all meet? I was gonna say- Oh, go ahead, JD. 


    Track 2:

    [1:54] No, no, man. No, no, no. Have you met Tim and Pete? 


    Track 1:

    [1:59] Yes. 


    Track 2:

    [1:59] Yeah. Okay, so I was late. 


    Track 1:

    [2:02] So see, that's, you know, it's all I know is, all I know is I have where to stay in Spain and Oregon. 


    Track 4:

    [2:08] Si, si, si. 


    Track 3:

    [2:12] Trust me, there's a lot of nice, there's a lot nicer places in Spain to stay than my house. 


    Track 4:

    [2:19] Venga aqui, si. Bienvenidos. 


    Track 1:

    [2:23] Yeah, as far as how we met, it varies. Ron and I played in a band previously. 

    It's the first time I've been a singer in the band. I've always been a drummer. 

    I sang songs from the drums, but came up front. So Ron and I were in a band previously. 

    Steve is a friend of Ron's. Yeah, I've known Ron probably close to 20 years now. I joined a band and he was the other guitar player he joined it to, and we hit it off pretty good. 

    And then we ended up quitting that band. Turned out we were also living quite close. 

    We were practically neighbors and didn't realize it. Oh yeah. 

    How Band Members Met and Their History


    [3:01] Okay. And as far as Ike, Ike's brother of Trisha used to be a singer in another band I was in, so. 

    Ike and I have known each other for, 10 years at least. Not longer, yeah. 

    And Illyrio was in a band with some buddies of mine as the drummer, so that's how Leroy and I know each other. 

    And we actually played soccer together like 15 years ago. Yeah. 

    We've played soccer together for a long time, too, so. 


    Track 3:

    [3:38] Did we lose, did you guys lose me or did I lose you? 


    Track 1:

    [3:42] I lost you for a minute there, Pete, but you're back. 


    Track 3:

    [3:45] Okay, well, at least the question got answered about Ike and his brother. 

    Hopefully it was cool. Sorry. Can I ask one more question? Oh, Tim, go ahead. 


    Track 4:

    [3:57] I just got. I was just gonna ask who out of the five of you has seen The Hip play the most times, had seen them play the most times? 


    Track 1:

    [4:06] I've actually never seen them play. 


    Track 4:

    [4:10] Oh, okay, you're part of our club. 


    Track 1:

    [4:14] Me neither, fun fact, my daughter, she actually saw them in 2017 in a school event, And I've never got to see them. 


    Track 4:

    [4:22] Oh, wow. 


    Track 1:

    [4:26] Okay. that. It's probably me then. I've probably seen them 12, 15 times over the years. 

    Yeah, I saw them on the last tour, neat little stories, the guy went to high school, when I had, the first time I saw them was a roadside attraction in Kiyoka at the Speedway, yeah samething, yeah, JD was probably, I think Oliver Waterford was there because it was so close. 

    But a buddy of mine, well, JD, you know, Bill Ella, right? 


    Track 2:

    [5:03] Yeah, yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [5:03] So Bill and Bill and I went to our first hip concert together. 

    And then when my fiance and I got tickets for the last tour, we got four tickets and I called him up said, Hey, man, we got to see the last one together too. So he jumped right on it. So himand his wife joined us. It was great. 


    Track 2:

    [5:21] It's pretty special. What venue do you go to? 


    Track 1:

    [5:24] We saw them at ACC. 


    Track 2:

    [5:27] Oh wow, nice. Yeah, in Toronto. Yeah. Oh, man. 


    Track 1:

    [5:31] Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't a dry eye in the place. It was pretty special, man. Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [5:41] Do you guys, and I ask this strictly, this is not like, you know, any remotely thing, judgmental, it's just a curious thing as far as musicians, but because I have a friend that wasplaying, he played a while in a tribute band for Floyd and then also one for Oasis, and he likes Floyd a lot, but he was like not an Oasis fan, but he played in it because, you know, Gigs agig. It's fun and it's cool. 

    But like do you I would imagine that all of you guys genuinely like the tragic We have at least to some degree. 


    Track 1:

    [6:16] Oh, yeah, or if not dig the shit out of them Yeah, and it's a riot to play it is so much fun to play the music it's lots of energy and I have an absolute riot playing it It looks like it fromthe videos i've seen I didn't know that many songs until I joined this band. 

    I only knew a couple, like New Orleans is Sinking or probably Little Bones, but then these guys got me into them. 

    Now that's all I hear. Oh, wow. So I love them so much and that's all I hear. it now. 

    And I used to play like a really like you name it from from Metallica down to Bird Jam to Foo Fighters and now my favorite is Tragically Here. 

    So yeah it's uh it's interesting when we play a show that uh, the fun part for me is not only playing the show and the people are into it like everybody you know that everybody's coming tosee the show knows the songs see they're going going to be singing. 

    But after the show, the number of people that come up and want to tell you about the time they saw the hip or they have a story about when they met one of the members of the hip. 

    So people just reconnect at our shows, which is a fun part for me. 


    Track 4:

    [7:37] Sure, that's amazing. 


    Track 2:

    [7:38] Yeah, it's like a community, right? 


    Track 1:

    [7:40] Oh, absolutely, yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [7:43] Yeah, and I mean, I gotta say, I've seen, obviously, not anything hip related, but like, for example, I remember seeing a Zeppelin tribute band that was really good, that I just kind oflike, I mean, I'm a diehard Zeppelin fan, like, you know, all eight studio records just flow through my veins and seeing that show was like, you know, I was like, OK, it's cool. And then Iwas just so wildly impressed. 

    Like, I'm not the guy because I play, you know, you play, you play a gig, kind of like put your guitar, put your instruments away, go to the bar, have a beer, check out for the night,especially if it's a long show and you're tired. 

    But like I was like, I got to go tell these people how fucking great they sounded and And how during this tune, the communication breakdown, he hit the solo perfect. 

    That's so cool that you have people that... Because it's a testament to you guys being fucking really good at your craft and knowing how to play to the crowd. I can't wait to see you guys. 


    Track 1:

    [8:56] Thank you, Lola. Yeah, we have a blast. 

    The Complexity of Learning Songs on Instruments


    [9:00] Yeah, so these guys always mention, you know, when we're learning a song, they've got a a lot harder than I do, but a lot of folks who either don't play instruments or folks whoaren't hip fans that are playing instruments say, oh yeah, those songs are easy. 

    But I'm sure these guys can tell you that they're not easy. There's all kinds of stuff going on. No way. 

    Yeah, you've gotta really hit it to get the nuance of the song and the notes, but I don't know if you guys have examples, but. Two guitar parts are so very complementary to each other. 

    There's really no rhythm or lead. There's just two guitars. 

    And without one, the other just doesn't sound right. You have to have those two parts like the record, and then it gives you that sound. 

    Yeah. So we're very picky about the sound. We use the right instruments. 

    We try and use the right equipment wherever we can and re-crease that sound, like the record, as close as we can, right? 


    Track 3:

    [10:05] Yep. The general rule with music, too, is if it sounds really hard, chances are it's not, and if it sounds really easy, chances are it's not, right? 


    Track 1:

    [10:16] Isn't that the case? That is right. As I was saying, I used to play what I thought they were the hardest song to play, like the Foo Fighters, to name a few. 

    But then I thought, okay, this doesn't sound difficult. man, I was wrong. 

    It is difficult, it is, because it's just, we need to connect, like, you know, we need to be in sync to actually make it sound right, which is very interesting, and I love doing that. And theseguys are awesome. 

    Yeah for that band, that's it Yeah, we're very lucky that everybody has the same ambition to make it sound like that. 

    You know when everybody's in the groove it the music becomes a Uh part of the vocals everything. 

    Yeah, it's one. It's a rare commodity Yeah, yes And we're lucky to look it lucky to have a guy that's on ligar like it's just It's just amazing. 

    The Importance of Syncing and Connecting as a Band


    [11:07] Sometimes it's just man. It's just something great. 

    It's I mean musically we are there and we have a good rhythm and we you know, we understand each other But what make a sound right is this guy here, right? This is something greatHopefully you'd like it, too I'm sure we will. 


    [11:26] We won't even talk about bass because Based on some of the bass runs and and stuff is pretty crazy to me. Yeah, it's tough. 


    [11:37] I think he was a guitar player actually, so he actually learned to play the bass as we came along. 

    Yeah, I didn't even know the bass, so these guys called me, so I went to the music store and bought a bass and showed up and then started. 

    It's been pretty good. Lots to learn. It's been a lot of fun, but I think it's just having five individuals, like being in a band like this is amazing because it's tough. 

    I've played with lots of different musicians, but to have people that connect very tight like this, that is very, very hard to find. 

    And playing bass in this band has probably been the best band I've ever been in. I've always played guitar, but playing the bass and getting that part and playing with these guys is actuallyamazing. 

    So it's been pretty good, pretty good run so far. 


    [12:33] That's cool, man. And a second instrument is always awesome anyway. 

    You can't go wrong learning. I learned, oh, maybe 20 years ago, I picked up the fiddle and started playing fiddle. 

    Oh, I became a fiddle player for about eight years. 

    And then I got back into guitar and then that stopped. And then maybe about four years ago, I bought a banjo and oh my goodness, I was two years of banjo, banjo, banjo. 

    And you learn, you pick up something from everything I've learned. 

    I've picked up something that adds to the guitar tons. Totally, totally, totally. 

    Appreciating the Skill of Great Musicians


    Track 3:

    [13:10] When we listen to, well, cause we interviewed Gord Sinclair, it was about a month and a half ago, something like that, maybe two months ago. 

    And I had done this before, but I did it more so after we interviewed him. 

    If you watch like a video that they're, a live video that they're playing, right? 

    And watch it five times. Watch it five times. And each five times, once you focus on Johnny Fay, another time you focus on Gord Downie, another time you focus on Rob Baker, youknow, and so on and so forth. 

    And you can just, if you just focus on them and their instrument, you realize how fucking, excuse my language, I'm dropping a lot of F-bombs, but how well they are at playing theirinstruments. 

    Instruments, what good musicians they are. And to sound even remotely remotely close to them is not an easy task. It's not even close. 


    Track 1:

    [14:09] Yeah, and as they've, you know, grown over the years, they've just gotten better, right? You just get better at your craft. So when you go and learn the newer albums or songs offthose it's even tougher. 


    Track 3:

    [14:22] Yeah, I bet. 


    Track 1:

    [14:23] But it's even more rewarding when we get together and sometimes, you know, we play the tune for the very first time and go, okay, we're going to learn this tune, we go away anddo our parts, we come back and we play it and we're all kind of blown away at how good it sounds sometimes the first time. 

    You learn that part and they melt together so beautifully for that finished product that it's really rewarding. 

    Mind-Blowing Live Transitions in Music


    Track 4:

    [14:53] Yeah, we were just listening. Yeah, we were just the guys and I were just listening to a live version of New Orleans is sinking where they transition in and out of nautical disasterand back into New Orleans is sinking. 

    Have you guys tried anything like that as a band together? Because that that I mean, that just blew our minds, you know? 


    Track 1:

    [15:12] Yeah, that's an interesting combination, isn't it? Yeah, we, uh, we do have a killer whale tank version on the, on the schedule eventually to, uh, to learn, uh, but, uh, yeah, we haven'tgot around to it. Uh, that's a big one. Shit. 

    But yeah, yeah, I guess our focus has been so far just to try to, you know, owner what they recorded, so keep it as close as, as you know, the original And that's how I've been a focus sofar, you know. 


    [15:46] It may migrate to, you know, do experiments, something like that. 

    But so far, we're trying to actually, you know, honor that original record, original sound. 

    And, you know, but sort of in a live version. So, yeah, as Ron was saying, it's so rewarding when you, you know, work hard on getting that song together and it, you know, it soundedactually very close, in our opinion, anyway. 

    Yeah, we really try to bring the music and the live show to the stage, but not be the Tragical yet. 

    We don't want to look like them or copy them. We want to bring their music to people. So all of the music. That's good. 


    Track 2:

    [16:26] I like that. Yeah, I like that. 


    Track 1:

    [16:28] Yeah, we don't want to do exactly. We don't want to just look like them. 

    We want to keep our original, you know, style of playing our instruments, but sounding like them. So, right. 


    Track 2:

    [16:39] Right. 


    Track 1:

    [16:40] I think it's a good combination. up in any other so far band that I've seen doing tributes to The Hips. 

    They want to look like them. They sound decent. 


    Track 4:

    [16:52] That happens, that happens. 


    Track 3:

    [16:53] I could dress up like Paul McCartney, too. 

    Do you guys find it... I was going to... 

    This is like being something that's puzzling because I haven't seen, obviously I haven't seen you guys play live, but I'm wondering, you know, what your catalog covers and stuff but justlooking at how big the catalog of the hip is like I think you know if you took a band like like I used to Pink Floyd as an example before you know not many you know if you're in a coverband or a tribute band you're gonna you're gonna cover you know the wall you're gonna cover maybe a few things off like Wish You Were Here and Dark Sudden Moon You're not goingto do, yeah, I'm a goma. 


    Track 2:

    [17:39] Yeah, no, probably not. 


    Track 3:

    [17:40] No offense to Syd Barrett, but I think with a band like the hip or like Zeppelin, for example, the sound changes so much. 

    Like like like little bones to fucking Tiger. The lion is like, yeah, it's like it's like the distance from Earth to Pluto instead of like Earth to Mars. It's like... 

    How do you do that on stage? How do you like Go, okay. We're We're going into now for plan a or whatever. 


    Track 1:

    [18:16] I personally You know I'm singing. I'm just trying to bring that same sound And each song I just look at it differently each songs its own person, right? 

    So I don't in my mind. I don't put them together on albums each one has its own personality. 

    So that's kind of how I think about it. Like we go from Highway Girl, which is probably our simplest instrumentally. 

    And again, it's the first album, right? So like, I mean, the hip of the hip, but they weren't accomplished musicians like they were now for Plan A, right? 

    So a little easier to play, but Gord was a little more wild with his voice, not as controlled. 

    So you got to kind of bring that out as well. 

    So that's kind of how I view those. 


    Track 3:

    [19:06] It's a good approach. Yeah. That makes sense. It makes sense. 

    Listening to the records like we have from start to finish, which I don't know if you guys listen to the podcast. I hope not. Yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [19:16] Of course. Of course we do. Nice. 


    Track 4:

    [19:19] That's great. 


    Track 1:

    [19:21] Why don't you... 


    Track 2:

    [19:23] What do you say you give us a little taste of what you guys do and perform a couple songs? 


    Track 1:

    [19:28] That'd be awesome. 

    Influences: Foo Fighters, Metallica, Outlaws, Guns N' Roses


    Track 4:

    [28:01] What other influences have you guys had? I know you know one of you mentioned like Foo Fighters and Metallica and stuff. What else are you guys into? 

    What were you into maybe when you know the hip was just going nuts in the 90s? 

    What else were you guys listening to? 


    Track 1:

    [28:18] I was a big Outlaws fan. I played a lot of the Outlaws. 

    Just kind of like ladder skaters and stuff. Cool. I was a Guns N' Roses guy. 


    Track 4:

    [28:28] All right, right on. 


    Track 1:

    [28:31] I didn't know that. It's interesting. Sweet child of mine was the first song I ever heard. Rush, I liked playing Rush stuff too. 


    Track 4:

    [28:41] Excellent. 


    Track 1:

    [28:45] I like all types of music but I like real heavy and better. 

    Pantera, like loud, just as a favorite. Sure. 


    Track 4:

    [28:53] Nice. 


    Track 1:

    [28:55] Yeah, I was the weird of my generation because, you know, back in Venezuela, whoever plays or like rocks, he wasn't in the, you know, he was not usual. 

    So, but I like, you know, I started playing Sepultura, Pantera, Metallica. 

    That's how I started playing. It wasn't sounding good, but that's, you know, but then with the years, when I learned a bit I actually got, you know, Peter from Spain, my favorite band ever,although they're tragically here is Eros del Silencio. 

    That's my favorite band from Spain and that's my biggest influence in rock music. 

    What's the name of it? Eros del Silencio is like Heroes of Silence. 


    Track 3:

    [29:36] Oh yeah, yeah, totally, yeah. You know what's funny? I can hear a bit. 

    I was told about that band a a number of times. 

    Yeah, I've been I've seen like those fun at those a couple times and I mean they're big in spain There I would call them the closest thing to tragically hip In spain, especially later in theircareer, too but um Yeah, I mean I'm I'm, i'm name dropping now, but I went to the same high school as james james headfield um so metallica ran, quite deep in my Family and hometown.

    Yeah, sure Yeah, I mean back of it back of the day with the hip was plugging along You weren't you didn't you didn't own appetite for destruction. 


    Track 1:

    [30:29] Oh Yeah You weren't I learned every song on the record. That was that was me go home sit in my bedroom To learn every tune. 


    Track 3:

    [30:37] Yeah, you were the guy who thought like you were the guy to like me We also thought like G&R Lies was a great album where everybody was like, yeah, I like Patience, buteverything else fucking take it or leave it, man. 


    Track 1:

    [30:49] No, it was everything. I learned most of that album as well. 


    Track 3:

    [30:52] Yeah, it was a great album. 


    Track 1:

    [30:56] As for me, I grew up listening to a lot of different stuff. 

    Influences: Johnny Horton, Jimmy Reeves, The Stones


    [31:02] Anything from like Johnny Horton and Jimmy Reeves right up to The Stones, right? 

    So a lot of influence, The Stones, probably my second favorite band. 

    I've seen them nine times. Oh, wow. Yeah. Every time they come to Toronto, I think I've seen them since I was able to get in, so. 


    Track 3:

    [31:18] Cool. I saw The Stones once and I almost didn't see them. 

    My cousin Rocky, God rest his soul, was 24 years old, died of brain cancer. 

    Horrible tragedy. just the day of his funeral, I had tickets to see The Stones at Angel Stadium and I'm like I'm not gonna go. Screw that. I mean, I just like just came back from Rocky'sfuneral. My mom's like. 

    How disappointed would your cousin be to know that you missed the fucking Rolling Stones because of his ass? And I was like, good point. 

    Went and never regretted it. 

    Such a good show. 

    When you guys played Poets, I wrote something down to ask, do you get Gimme Shelter vibes from that song? 

    Like, I would imagine playing that song on guitar. There's a refrain towards the end when it just slows down and just dips into the rhythm where it sounds like the end of Keith Richardssolo I just now that you mentioned it I can see that for sure yeah yeah yeah maybe think of it when you guys are playing it but never I've never heard before when I've heard the song bythe hip then we're going to end up playing that. 

    We're going to transition into the stones. 

    The Band's Ability to Handle Challenges


    [32:43] And If anybody can, if any band can handle it, it sounds like, you guys can. 


    Track 1:

    [32:55] I can. backup singing. 


    Track 3:

    [32:58] She was pregnant. She was pregnant. We should have saying that. 


    Track 2:

    [33:04] She get out of here. Really? 


    Track 3:

    [33:05] Yep. 


    Track 1:

    [33:06] She came down to the studio with like four in the morning in her house coat and curlers. 


    Track 2:

    [33:11] Jesus Christ. Wow. Come on down. 


    Track 1:

    [33:12] Yeah. Yeah, cool story. 


    Track 2:

    [33:20] Well, you guys sounded terrific. I'll tell you that. So I can't I can't wait to hear you, you know, when you're unleashed, fully unleashed and we're not listening to you over video. 


    Track 1:

    [33:32] Yeah. We're working on a surprise for you, so keep doing it. 

    Oh, wow. Yeah. And don't expect any dance moves like Gord for me, because drummers can't dance, so I just, what happens, happens up there. 

    I can do salsa with my merengue. Oh, salsa. There you go. Be for yourself. 

    It's all about closing your eyes and listening to the music. 

    Yeah. We don't look like it. He's trying to sound like it. Just look at the light show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 

    Tim's Exciting Donation for Silent Auction


    Track 3:

    [34:17] Yeah, so I know you guys don't don't dress dress up, you know, dress as such for the hip, but Tim was was keen enough to procure an item for the silent auction that we're having. 

    That is a Tim should I I'm stealing your thunder here, but I'm so I think it's literally the coolest thing. 

    Tim got contacted the woman who made Gord's hats for the final tour. 


    Track 1:

    [34:46] Sweet. 


    Track 3:

    [34:47] She is donated a hat for the highest bidder that that, you know, once they win it at the auction, she's going to have them fitted for it and she's going to make a fucking gourd hat.Nice. 


    Track 1:

    [35:02] It's so cool. 


    Track 3:

    [35:07] What's that? 


    Track 4:

    [35:09] Yeah, her company is is Lily put hats. 

    She makes amazing stuff. And I mean, I think these these hats she made for Gord and the likeness of one for the silent auction, it's kind of a it's kind of a priceless item. So we're excited tosee what it does. 


    Track 1:

    [35:29] That's what I saw. I saw that she had sponsored the show. So I was like, oh, that's interesting. I wonder what she could be sponsoring me. That's awesome. 

    That's yeah. 


    Track 4:

    [35:42] Yeah, she makes great stuff. 


    Track 3:

    [35:43] I'm so stoked to see you guys at the show. I mean, it's going to be the, I mean, granted, it's going to be cool to see Tim and JD because we only talk via Skype, but you guys aregoing to be a highlight, man. Let me tell you. All right. Bye. 

    Exciting International Guests Joining the Show


    Track 4:

    [35:58] We even have our guests, one of our guests on the show, Dan from London. 

    He's even coming. So we got we got US, Spain and UK coming in. 


    Track 3:

    [36:08] Canada, yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [36:08] Last question. Real quick. 


    Track 3:

    [36:16] Sorry, JD. Is that cool? 


    Track 2:

    [36:17] No. Oh, yeah. Go ahead. 


    Track 3:

    [36:19] Just to slip it in. Trailer Park fan? Trailer Park Boy fans? 


    Track 1:

    [36:27] Oh, yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [36:28] I'm the anomaly. I'm the anomaly. 


    Track 1:

    [36:32] I've never seen it. 


    Track 2:

    [36:36] I've seen it a little. 


    Track 1:

    [36:37] I live with a... I'm on antenna. I get like 4 or 5 Canadian channels and that's what I watch. 

    CBC - A Nickname for someone


    Track 3:

    [36:49] CBC, CBC, that's his nickname. 


    Track 1:

    [36:53] That's great. 


    Track 3:

    [36:53] CBC. 


    Track 4:

    [36:54] That's like, that's like people asking me if I watch Portlandia. 

    I mean, that's literally the first season. The first season was filmed down the street from my house. Literally. Oh my God. 

    So it's, so, yeah. It's really Park Boy, so that's different. I've watched most of it. 


    Track 1:

    [37:11] I, I, I'm known for my Bubbles impressions. So I'll do it privately for you. 

    Oh, nice. I'm not going to do it. You don't want to do that online? 

    Mysterious Plans for Halloween in Toronto


    Track 3:

    [37:23] I know who it is. 


    Track 4:

    [37:25] Maybe just on Halloween. 


    Track 3:

    [37:26] Let's hope when we're in town in Toronto at the live event, the same squashes that show up. 


    Track 1:

    [37:32] Same squashes. I'll bring some sandwiches, too. 


    Track 3:

    [37:39] Don't don't wind me up cuz I I, you know, I'm telling you, don't wind me up. 

    We'll, we'll, we'll save it for the live event. 


    Track 4:

    [37:49] Oh, no. 

    Preview of the Live Podcast Finale and Event Details


    Track 2:

    [37:56] Well, guys, it's been fantastic having you on and getting to listen to a taste of your wares. 

    We're really thrilled that you'll be joining us on Friday, September 1st at the Rec Room. 

    If you're listening to this and you like what you heard and you want to hear more, tickets are available at gettinghiptothehip.com. 

    Just click on the ticket button. It'll take you right where you need to go and you can join us that night for the live podcast finale, a couple sets from 50 Mission, and a great silent auctionwith some items that are really starting to pile up now. 

    I'm excited. I'm very excited. So thank you guys so much. 


    Track 1:

    [38:37] Thank you for having us. Yeah, thanks for having us. Thanks, guys. And 50missionband.com. Yes. Little plug there. 


    Track 3:

    [38:45] Yes, 50missionband.com. 


    Track 1:

    [38:46] We're excited for the show. Can't wait to see you guys. We're excited for the show. 


    Track 3:

    [38:50] Can't wait to see you guys. 


    Track 1:

    [38:53] Cheers, guys. All right. 


    Track 2:

    [38:54] Thanks so much. Pick up your shit. 


    Track 7:

    [38:58] Thanks for listening to Getting Hip to the Hip. 

    Please subscribe, share, rate, and review the show at gettinghiptothehip.com. 

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    Track 2:

    [0:00] So have you guys met each other here? 


    Track 1:

    [0:03] Yeah, this is Steve. I'm Steve. 


    Track 3:

    [0:06] I'm Ron. 


    Track 1:

    [0:07] Ike. Ike plays bass. 

    Alirio, I'm the nice drummer. The nice looking drummer. 

    Yeah, he's got a weird accent. So you may have to ask what you're saying. 

    Yeah, there's a couple accents there. Latino accent. I might switch to Spanish. 


    Track 2:

    [0:26] Yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [0:28] In Spain, I already speak Spanish. 


    Track 3:

    [0:30] Where are you from? 


    Track 1:

    [0:32] Originally from Venezuela. Venezuela. 


    Track 3:

    [0:37] And I heard another accent there, too. 


    Track 1:

    [0:43] No, just one. The invi... Oh, different Canadian, oh, maybe, maybe, uh... 

    Maybe like Newfie accent. Newfie accent, yeah, yeah. Canadian, but... I don't think so. 

    Introduction and Location Discussion


    Track 3:

    [0:55] Where do they live? Where do you guys live at? 


    Track 1:

    [0:58] We're in the Brantford area, pretty much all of us. Yeah, it's like 100 kilometers west of Toronto. 

    So we're about that area, yeah. 

    Yeah, pretty much from where Jamie's from. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just north of Waterford. 

    We're actually just north of Boston, Jamie. 


    Track 2:

    [1:18] Oh, okay. 


    Track 1:

    [1:20] East of Boston, sorry, yeah. Where are you from, Jamie? 


    Track 2:

    [1:24] I grew up in Waterford. 


    Track 1:

    [1:25] Oh, there you go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we played the old town hall there a couple times. 


    Track 2:

    [1:32] Yeah, it's a cool venue, right? 


    Track 1:

    [1:34] Oh, it's a great venue. The stage is beautiful. It's just a really nice place. 

    I mean, I would love to go see a band there, right? 


    Track 2:

    [1:41] Yeah, I saw Huxley Workman there. 


    Track 1:

    [1:42] Nice. Yeah. Yeah, and I saw the Sheepdogs there three years ago. 

    Yeah. Oh, wow. It was great, yeah. It was packed with the Sheepdogs. 


    Track 3:

    [1:51] How'd you guys all meet? I was gonna say- Oh, go ahead, JD. 


    Track 2:

    [1:54] No, no, man. No, no, no. Have you met Tim and Pete? 


    Track 1:

    [1:59] Yes. 


    Track 2:

    [1:59] Yeah. Okay, so I was late. 


    Track 1:

    [2:02] So see, that's, you know, it's all I know is, all I know is I have where to stay in Spain and Oregon. 


    Track 4:

    [2:08] Si, si, si. 


    Track 3:

    [2:12] Trust me, there's a lot of nice, there's a lot nicer places in Spain to stay than my house. 


    Track 4:

    [2:19] Venga aqui, si. Bienvenidos. 


    Track 1:

    [2:23] Yeah, as far as how we met, it varies. Ron and I played in a band previously. 

    It's the first time I've been a singer in the band. I've always been a drummer. 

    I sang songs from the drums, but came up front. So Ron and I were in a band previously. 

    Steve is a friend of Ron's. Yeah, I've known Ron probably close to 20 years now. I joined a band and he was the other guitar player he joined it to, and we hit it off pretty good. 

    And then we ended up quitting that band. Turned out we were also living quite close. 

    We were practically neighbors and didn't realize it. Oh yeah. 

    How Band Members Met and Their History


    [3:01] Okay. And as far as Ike, Ike's brother of Trisha used to be a singer in another band I was in, so. 

    Ike and I have known each other for, 10 years at least. Not longer, yeah. 

    And Illyrio was in a band with some buddies of mine as the drummer, so that's how Leroy and I know each other. 

    And we actually played soccer together like 15 years ago. Yeah. 

    We've played soccer together for a long time, too, so. 


    Track 3:

    [3:38] Did we lose, did you guys lose me or did I lose you? 


    Track 1:

    [3:42] I lost you for a minute there, Pete, but you're back. 


    Track 3:

    [3:45] Okay, well, at least the question got answered about Ike and his brother. 

    Hopefully it was cool. Sorry. Can I ask one more question? Oh, Tim, go ahead. 


    Track 4:

    [3:57] I just got. I was just gonna ask who out of the five of you has seen The Hip play the most times, had seen them play the most times? 


    Track 1:

    [4:06] I've actually never seen them play. 


    Track 4:

    [4:10] Oh, okay, you're part of our club. 


    Track 1:

    [4:14] Me neither, fun fact, my daughter, she actually saw them in 2017 in a school event, And I've never got to see them. 


    Track 4:

    [4:22] Oh, wow. 


    Track 1:

    [4:26] Okay. that. It's probably me then. I've probably seen them 12, 15 times over the years. 

    Yeah, I saw them on the last tour, neat little stories, the guy went to high school, when I had, the first time I saw them was a roadside attraction in Kiyoka at the Speedway, yeah samething, yeah, JD was probably, I think Oliver Waterford was there because it was so close. 

    But a buddy of mine, well, JD, you know, Bill Ella, right? 


    Track 2:

    [5:03] Yeah, yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [5:03] So Bill and Bill and I went to our first hip concert together. 

    And then when my fiance and I got tickets for the last tour, we got four tickets and I called him up said, Hey, man, we got to see the last one together too. So he jumped right on it. So himand his wife joined us. It was great. 


    Track 2:

    [5:21] It's pretty special. What venue do you go to? 


    Track 1:

    [5:24] We saw them at ACC. 


    Track 2:

    [5:27] Oh wow, nice. Yeah, in Toronto. Yeah. Oh, man. 


    Track 1:

    [5:31] Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't a dry eye in the place. It was pretty special, man. Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [5:41] Do you guys, and I ask this strictly, this is not like, you know, any remotely thing, judgmental, it's just a curious thing as far as musicians, but because I have a friend that wasplaying, he played a while in a tribute band for Floyd and then also one for Oasis, and he likes Floyd a lot, but he was like not an Oasis fan, but he played in it because, you know, Gigs agig. It's fun and it's cool. 

    But like do you I would imagine that all of you guys genuinely like the tragic We have at least to some degree. 


    Track 1:

    [6:16] Oh, yeah, or if not dig the shit out of them Yeah, and it's a riot to play it is so much fun to play the music it's lots of energy and I have an absolute riot playing it It looks like it fromthe videos i've seen I didn't know that many songs until I joined this band. 

    I only knew a couple, like New Orleans is Sinking or probably Little Bones, but then these guys got me into them. 

    Now that's all I hear. Oh, wow. So I love them so much and that's all I hear. it now. 

    And I used to play like a really like you name it from from Metallica down to Bird Jam to Foo Fighters and now my favorite is Tragically Here. 

    So yeah it's uh it's interesting when we play a show that uh, the fun part for me is not only playing the show and the people are into it like everybody you know that everybody's coming tosee the show knows the songs see they're going going to be singing. 

    But after the show, the number of people that come up and want to tell you about the time they saw the hip or they have a story about when they met one of the members of the hip. 

    So people just reconnect at our shows, which is a fun part for me. 


    Track 4:

    [7:37] Sure, that's amazing. 


    Track 2:

    [7:38] Yeah, it's like a community, right? 


    Track 1:

    [7:40] Oh, absolutely, yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [7:43] Yeah, and I mean, I gotta say, I've seen, obviously, not anything hip related, but like, for example, I remember seeing a Zeppelin tribute band that was really good, that I just kind oflike, I mean, I'm a diehard Zeppelin fan, like, you know, all eight studio records just flow through my veins and seeing that show was like, you know, I was like, OK, it's cool. And then Iwas just so wildly impressed. 

    Like, I'm not the guy because I play, you know, you play, you play a gig, kind of like put your guitar, put your instruments away, go to the bar, have a beer, check out for the night,especially if it's a long show and you're tired. 

    But like I was like, I got to go tell these people how fucking great they sounded and And how during this tune, the communication breakdown, he hit the solo perfect. 

    That's so cool that you have people that... Because it's a testament to you guys being fucking really good at your craft and knowing how to play to the crowd. I can't wait to see you guys. 


    Track 1:

    [8:56] Thank you, Lola. Yeah, we have a blast. 

    The Complexity of Learning Songs on Instruments


    [9:00] Yeah, so these guys always mention, you know, when we're learning a song, they've got a a lot harder than I do, but a lot of folks who either don't play instruments or folks whoaren't hip fans that are playing instruments say, oh yeah, those songs are easy. 

    But I'm sure these guys can tell you that they're not easy. There's all kinds of stuff going on. No way. 

    Yeah, you've gotta really hit it to get the nuance of the song and the notes, but I don't know if you guys have examples, but. Two guitar parts are so very complementary to each other. 

    There's really no rhythm or lead. There's just two guitars. 

    And without one, the other just doesn't sound right. You have to have those two parts like the record, and then it gives you that sound. 

    Yeah. So we're very picky about the sound. We use the right instruments. 

    We try and use the right equipment wherever we can and re-crease that sound, like the record, as close as we can, right? 


    Track 3:

    [10:05] Yep. The general rule with music, too, is if it sounds really hard, chances are it's not, and if it sounds really easy, chances are it's not, right? 


    Track 1:

    [10:16] Isn't that the case? That is right. As I was saying, I used to play what I thought they were the hardest song to play, like the Foo Fighters, to name a few. 

    But then I thought, okay, this doesn't sound difficult. man, I was wrong. 

    It is difficult, it is, because it's just, we need to connect, like, you know, we need to be in sync to actually make it sound right, which is very interesting, and I love doing that. And theseguys are awesome. 

    Yeah for that band, that's it Yeah, we're very lucky that everybody has the same ambition to make it sound like that. 

    You know when everybody's in the groove it the music becomes a Uh part of the vocals everything. 

    Yeah, it's one. It's a rare commodity Yeah, yes And we're lucky to look it lucky to have a guy that's on ligar like it's just It's just amazing. 

    The Importance of Syncing and Connecting as a Band


    [11:07] Sometimes it's just man. It's just something great. 

    It's I mean musically we are there and we have a good rhythm and we you know, we understand each other But what make a sound right is this guy here, right? This is something greatHopefully you'd like it, too I'm sure we will. 


    [11:26] We won't even talk about bass because Based on some of the bass runs and and stuff is pretty crazy to me. Yeah, it's tough. 


    [11:37] I think he was a guitar player actually, so he actually learned to play the bass as we came along. 

    Yeah, I didn't even know the bass, so these guys called me, so I went to the music store and bought a bass and showed up and then started. 

    It's been pretty good. Lots to learn. It's been a lot of fun, but I think it's just having five individuals, like being in a band like this is amazing because it's tough. 

    I've played with lots of different musicians, but to have people that connect very tight like this, that is very, very hard to find. 

    And playing bass in this band has probably been the best band I've ever been in. I've always played guitar, but playing the bass and getting that part and playing with these guys is actuallyamazing. 

    So it's been pretty good, pretty good run so far. 


    [12:33] That's cool, man. And a second instrument is always awesome anyway. 

    You can't go wrong learning. I learned, oh, maybe 20 years ago, I picked up the fiddle and started playing fiddle. 

    Oh, I became a fiddle player for about eight years. 

    And then I got back into guitar and then that stopped. And then maybe about four years ago, I bought a banjo and oh my goodness, I was two years of banjo, banjo, banjo. 

    And you learn, you pick up something from everything I've learned. 

    I've picked up something that adds to the guitar tons. Totally, totally, totally. 

    Appreciating the Skill of Great Musicians


    Track 3:

    [13:10] When we listen to, well, cause we interviewed Gord Sinclair, it was about a month and a half ago, something like that, maybe two months ago. 

    And I had done this before, but I did it more so after we interviewed him. 

    If you watch like a video that they're, a live video that they're playing, right? 

    And watch it five times. Watch it five times. And each five times, once you focus on Johnny Fay, another time you focus on Gord Downie, another time you focus on Rob Baker, youknow, and so on and so forth. 

    And you can just, if you just focus on them and their instrument, you realize how fucking, excuse my language, I'm dropping a lot of F-bombs, but how well they are at playing theirinstruments. 

    Instruments, what good musicians they are. And to sound even remotely remotely close to them is not an easy task. It's not even close. 


    Track 1:

    [14:09] Yeah, and as they've, you know, grown over the years, they've just gotten better, right? You just get better at your craft. So when you go and learn the newer albums or songs offthose it's even tougher. 


    Track 3:

    [14:22] Yeah, I bet. 


    Track 1:

    [14:23] But it's even more rewarding when we get together and sometimes, you know, we play the tune for the very first time and go, okay, we're going to learn this tune, we go away anddo our parts, we come back and we play it and we're all kind of blown away at how good it sounds sometimes the first time. 

    You learn that part and they melt together so beautifully for that finished product that it's really rewarding. 

    Mind-Blowing Live Transitions in Music


    Track 4:

    [14:53] Yeah, we were just listening. Yeah, we were just the guys and I were just listening to a live version of New Orleans is sinking where they transition in and out of nautical disasterand back into New Orleans is sinking. 

    Have you guys tried anything like that as a band together? Because that that I mean, that just blew our minds, you know? 


    Track 1:

    [15:12] Yeah, that's an interesting combination, isn't it? Yeah, we, uh, we do have a killer whale tank version on the, on the schedule eventually to, uh, to learn, uh, but, uh, yeah, we haven'tgot around to it. Uh, that's a big one. Shit. 

    But yeah, yeah, I guess our focus has been so far just to try to, you know, owner what they recorded, so keep it as close as, as you know, the original And that's how I've been a focus sofar, you know. 


    [15:46] It may migrate to, you know, do experiments, something like that. 

    But so far, we're trying to actually, you know, honor that original record, original sound. 

    And, you know, but sort of in a live version. So, yeah, as Ron was saying, it's so rewarding when you, you know, work hard on getting that song together and it, you know, it soundedactually very close, in our opinion, anyway. 

    Yeah, we really try to bring the music and the live show to the stage, but not be the Tragical yet. 

    We don't want to look like them or copy them. We want to bring their music to people. So all of the music. That's good. 


    Track 2:

    [16:26] I like that. Yeah, I like that. 


    Track 1:

    [16:28] Yeah, we don't want to do exactly. We don't want to just look like them. 

    We want to keep our original, you know, style of playing our instruments, but sounding like them. So, right. 


    Track 2:

    [16:39] Right. 


    Track 1:

    [16:40] I think it's a good combination. up in any other so far band that I've seen doing tributes to The Hips. 

    They want to look like them. They sound decent. 


    Track 4:

    [16:52] That happens, that happens. 


    Track 3:

    [16:53] I could dress up like Paul McCartney, too. 

    Do you guys find it... I was going to... 

    This is like being something that's puzzling because I haven't seen, obviously I haven't seen you guys play live, but I'm wondering, you know, what your catalog covers and stuff but justlooking at how big the catalog of the hip is like I think you know if you took a band like like I used to Pink Floyd as an example before you know not many you know if you're in a coverband or a tribute band you're gonna you're gonna cover you know the wall you're gonna cover maybe a few things off like Wish You Were Here and Dark Sudden Moon You're not goingto do, yeah, I'm a goma. 


    Track 2:

    [17:39] Yeah, no, probably not. 


    Track 3:

    [17:40] No offense to Syd Barrett, but I think with a band like the hip or like Zeppelin, for example, the sound changes so much. 

    Like like like little bones to fucking Tiger. The lion is like, yeah, it's like it's like the distance from Earth to Pluto instead of like Earth to Mars. It's like... 

    How do you do that on stage? How do you like Go, okay. We're We're going into now for plan a or whatever. 


    Track 1:

    [18:16] I personally You know I'm singing. I'm just trying to bring that same sound And each song I just look at it differently each songs its own person, right? 

    So I don't in my mind. I don't put them together on albums each one has its own personality. 

    So that's kind of how I think about it. Like we go from Highway Girl, which is probably our simplest instrumentally. 

    And again, it's the first album, right? So like, I mean, the hip of the hip, but they weren't accomplished musicians like they were now for Plan A, right? 

    So a little easier to play, but Gord was a little more wild with his voice, not as controlled. 

    So you got to kind of bring that out as well. 

    So that's kind of how I view those. 


    Track 3:

    [19:06] It's a good approach. Yeah. That makes sense. It makes sense. 

    Listening to the records like we have from start to finish, which I don't know if you guys listen to the podcast. I hope not. Yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [19:16] Of course. Of course we do. Nice. 


    Track 4:

    [19:19] That's great. 


    Track 1:

    [19:21] Why don't you... 


    Track 2:

    [19:23] What do you say you give us a little taste of what you guys do and perform a couple songs? 


    Track 1:

    [19:28] That'd be awesome. 

    Influences: Foo Fighters, Metallica, Outlaws, Guns N' Roses


    Track 4:

    [28:01] What other influences have you guys had? I know you know one of you mentioned like Foo Fighters and Metallica and stuff. What else are you guys into? 

    What were you into maybe when you know the hip was just going nuts in the 90s? 

    What else were you guys listening to? 


    Track 1:

    [28:18] I was a big Outlaws fan. I played a lot of the Outlaws. 

    Just kind of like ladder skaters and stuff. Cool. I was a Guns N' Roses guy. 


    Track 4:

    [28:28] All right, right on. 


    Track 1:

    [28:31] I didn't know that. It's interesting. Sweet child of mine was the first song I ever heard. Rush, I liked playing Rush stuff too. 


    Track 4:

    [28:41] Excellent. 


    Track 1:

    [28:45] I like all types of music but I like real heavy and better. 

    Pantera, like loud, just as a favorite. Sure. 


    Track 4:

    [28:53] Nice. 


    Track 1:

    [28:55] Yeah, I was the weird of my generation because, you know, back in Venezuela, whoever plays or like rocks, he wasn't in the, you know, he was not usual. 

    So, but I like, you know, I started playing Sepultura, Pantera, Metallica. 

    That's how I started playing. It wasn't sounding good, but that's, you know, but then with the years, when I learned a bit I actually got, you know, Peter from Spain, my favorite band ever,although they're tragically here is Eros del Silencio. 

    That's my favorite band from Spain and that's my biggest influence in rock music. 

    What's the name of it? Eros del Silencio is like Heroes of Silence. 


    Track 3:

    [29:36] Oh yeah, yeah, totally, yeah. You know what's funny? I can hear a bit. 

    I was told about that band a a number of times. 

    Yeah, I've been I've seen like those fun at those a couple times and I mean they're big in spain There I would call them the closest thing to tragically hip In spain, especially later in theircareer, too but um Yeah, I mean I'm I'm, i'm name dropping now, but I went to the same high school as james james headfield um so metallica ran, quite deep in my Family and hometown.

    Yeah, sure Yeah, I mean back of it back of the day with the hip was plugging along You weren't you didn't you didn't own appetite for destruction. 


    Track 1:

    [30:29] Oh Yeah You weren't I learned every song on the record. That was that was me go home sit in my bedroom To learn every tune. 


    Track 3:

    [30:37] Yeah, you were the guy who thought like you were the guy to like me We also thought like G&R Lies was a great album where everybody was like, yeah, I like Patience, buteverything else fucking take it or leave it, man. 


    Track 1:

    [30:49] No, it was everything. I learned most of that album as well. 


    Track 3:

    [30:52] Yeah, it was a great album. 


    Track 1:

    [30:56] As for me, I grew up listening to a lot of different stuff. 

    Influences: Johnny Horton, Jimmy Reeves, The Stones


    [31:02] Anything from like Johnny Horton and Jimmy Reeves right up to The Stones, right? 

    So a lot of influence, The Stones, probably my second favorite band. 

    I've seen them nine times. Oh, wow. Yeah. Every time they come to Toronto, I think I've seen them since I was able to get in, so. 


    Track 3:

    [31:18] Cool. I saw The Stones once and I almost didn't see them. 

    My cousin Rocky, God rest his soul, was 24 years old, died of brain cancer. 

    Horrible tragedy. just the day of his funeral, I had tickets to see The Stones at Angel Stadium and I'm like I'm not gonna go. Screw that. I mean, I just like just came back from Rocky'sfuneral. My mom's like. 

    How disappointed would your cousin be to know that you missed the fucking Rolling Stones because of his ass? And I was like, good point. 

    Went and never regretted it. 

    Such a good show. 

    When you guys played Poets, I wrote something down to ask, do you get Gimme Shelter vibes from that song? 

    Like, I would imagine playing that song on guitar. There's a refrain towards the end when it just slows down and just dips into the rhythm where it sounds like the end of Keith Richardssolo I just now that you mentioned it I can see that for sure yeah yeah yeah maybe think of it when you guys are playing it but never I've never heard before when I've heard the song bythe hip then we're going to end up playing that. 

    We're going to transition into the stones. 

    The Band's Ability to Handle Challenges


    [32:43] And If anybody can, if any band can handle it, it sounds like, you guys can. 


    Track 1:

    [32:55] I can. backup singing. 


    Track 3:

    [32:58] She was pregnant. She was pregnant. We should have saying that. 


    Track 2:

    [33:04] She get out of here. Really? 


    Track 3:

    [33:05] Yep. 


    Track 1:

    [33:06] She came down to the studio with like four in the morning in her house coat and curlers. 


    Track 2:

    [33:11] Jesus Christ. Wow. Come on down. 


    Track 1:

    [33:12] Yeah. Yeah, cool story. 


    Track 2:

    [33:20] Well, you guys sounded terrific. I'll tell you that. So I can't I can't wait to hear you, you know, when you're unleashed, fully unleashed and we're not listening to you over video. 


    Track 1:

    [33:32] Yeah. We're working on a surprise for you, so keep doing it. 

    Oh, wow. Yeah. And don't expect any dance moves like Gord for me, because drummers can't dance, so I just, what happens, happens up there. 

    I can do salsa with my merengue. Oh, salsa. There you go. Be for yourself. 

    It's all about closing your eyes and listening to the music. 

    Yeah. We don't look like it. He's trying to sound like it. Just look at the light show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 

    Tim's Exciting Donation for Silent Auction


    Track 3:

    [34:17] Yeah, so I know you guys don't don't dress dress up, you know, dress as such for the hip, but Tim was was keen enough to procure an item for the silent auction that we're having. 

    That is a Tim should I I'm stealing your thunder here, but I'm so I think it's literally the coolest thing. 

    Tim got contacted the woman who made Gord's hats for the final tour. 


    Track 1:

    [34:46] Sweet. 


    Track 3:

    [34:47] She is donated a hat for the highest bidder that that, you know, once they win it at the auction, she's going to have them fitted for it and she's going to make a fucking gourd hat.Nice. 


    Track 1:

    [35:02] It's so cool. 


    Track 3:

    [35:07] What's that? 


    Track 4:

    [35:09] Yeah, her company is is Lily put hats. 

    She makes amazing stuff. And I mean, I think these these hats she made for Gord and the likeness of one for the silent auction, it's kind of a it's kind of a priceless item. So we're excited tosee what it does. 


    Track 1:

    [35:29] That's what I saw. I saw that she had sponsored the show. So I was like, oh, that's interesting. I wonder what she could be sponsoring me. That's awesome. 

    That's yeah. 


    Track 4:

    [35:42] Yeah, she makes great stuff. 


    Track 3:

    [35:43] I'm so stoked to see you guys at the show. I mean, it's going to be the, I mean, granted, it's going to be cool to see Tim and JD because we only talk via Skype, but you guys aregoing to be a highlight, man. Let me tell you. All right. Bye. 

    Exciting International Guests Joining the Show


    Track 4:

    [35:58] We even have our guests, one of our guests on the show, Dan from London. 

    He's even coming. So we got we got US, Spain and UK coming in. 


    Track 3:

    [36:08] Canada, yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [36:08] Last question. Real quick. 


    Track 3:

    [36:16] Sorry, JD. Is that cool? 


    Track 2:

    [36:17] No. Oh, yeah. Go ahead. 


    Track 3:

    [36:19] Just to slip it in. Trailer Park fan? Trailer Park Boy fans? 


    Track 1:

    [36:27] Oh, yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [36:28] I'm the anomaly. I'm the anomaly. 


    Track 1:

    [36:32] I've never seen it. 


    Track 2:

    [36:36] I've seen it a little. 


    Track 1:

    [36:37] I live with a... I'm on antenna. I get like 4 or 5 Canadian channels and that's what I watch. 

    CBC - A Nickname for someone


    Track 3:

    [36:49] CBC, CBC, that's his nickname. 


    Track 1:

    [36:53] That's great. 


    Track 3:

    [36:53] CBC. 


    Track 4:

    [36:54] That's like, that's like people asking me if I watch Portlandia. 

    I mean, that's literally the first season. The first season was filmed down the street from my house. Literally. Oh my God. 

    So it's, so, yeah. It's really Park Boy, so that's different. I've watched most of it. 


    Track 1:

    [37:11] I, I, I'm known for my Bubbles impressions. So I'll do it privately for you. 

    Oh, nice. I'm not going to do it. You don't want to do that online? 

    Mysterious Plans for Halloween in Toronto


    Track 3:

    [37:23] I know who it is. 


    Track 4:

    [37:25] Maybe just on Halloween. 


    Track 3:

    [37:26] Let's hope when we're in town in Toronto at the live event, the same squashes that show up. 


    Track 1:

    [37:32] Same squashes. I'll bring some sandwiches, too. 


    Track 3:

    [37:39] Don't don't wind me up cuz I I, you know, I'm telling you, don't wind me up. 

    We'll, we'll, we'll save it for the live event. 


    Track 4:

    [37:49] Oh, no. 

    Preview of the Live Podcast Finale and Event Details


    Track 2:

    [37:56] Well, guys, it's been fantastic having you on and getting to listen to a taste of your wares. 

    We're really thrilled that you'll be joining us on Friday, September 1st at the Rec Room. 

    If you're listening to this and you like what you heard and you want to hear more, tickets are available at gettinghiptothehip.com. 

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    I'm excited. I'm very excited. So thank you guys so much. 


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    40 min
  • Are they big school buses?

    jD, Pete, and Tim are back and they're listening to the 2002 release, In Violet Light.

    Track 1:

    [0:00] As I sit at my computer to write this introduction, I've really had to rack. 


    [0:05] My brain for anything specific about In Violet Light. 

    It has nothing to do with the brilliance of the record, but I had pretty much left the missionary zeal phase of my hip fandom and was now, sadly, just a casual. 

    Even something as cool as The Hip Club, which was included with the CD release on the June 11th, 2002 CD didn't suck me in, and it's a damn shame too. 

    When I see you out there with cards still in your wallet, I'm jealous and forlorn. 


    [0:40] Something that was so essential in my life was now being left behind because I was focused on the lo-fi experience of bands like Pavement, Silver Jews, Guided by Voices, andSebadell. 

    I did, however, make it out for the In Violet Light summer tour at the then Molson Amphitheater and was blown away by the new songs I heard live. 

    Lake Fever, Silver Jet, The Dark Knuck, they all rocked live. 

    But there was one song that captured my attention and bled through all the noise I was experiencing at the time. 

    It's a song that I still hold close to my heart today, and it's remained a beacon, like a lighthouse leading a lost vessel homeward in more recent years. 

    It's a Good Life If You Don't Weaken is a masterpiece in the hip-souvra. 

    Everything just works, and it straight fucking cooks as an ominous-sounding live jam. 


    [1:40] I was working at Starbucks downtown when a barista, now my wife, asked me what I thought of the new album and particularly that song. 

    I don't have the words for it, I told her. She agreed. This was supercharged hip at its best. 

    Now it's time for Pete and Tim to experience A Heron Outside in Violet Light. 

    They both were floored with music at work, so IVL has to be a slam dunk, right? 

    Have to wait and see on this episode of Getting Hip to the Hip. 


    Track 4:

    [2:37] All right, so welcome back to Getting Hip to the Hip, I'm your host JD and every week we talk about a Tragically Hip record with two budding fans of the Tragically Hip butformerly completely ignorant of the existence of the band and I don't mean I mean ignorant in the dictionary definition you guys are both classy gentlemen but you just it had never it hadnever made it to your ears before. 

    So, we've got Tim and we've got Pete, and we're doing In Violet Light this week. 

    Tim, Pete, how you doing? Hey, guys. How's it going? 

    It's going. It's good. We are back for another week. 

    I'm just, you know, I'm just so pleased that somebody's listening to this. 

    I'm just sure of it, right? Yeah. Well, we're selling tickets for the finale event. 

    We can announce that Tragically cover band 50 Mission are going to be playing, we're gonna have local comedian Pete Van Dyke there, there's gonna be some silent auction items, one ofwhich was donated to us by the Tragically Hip themselves, which is fucking spectacular we also have some items coming to us from David Bustito, so I'm real excited about that becausehe was their official tour photographer for a long time I'd be Curious to see what he what he might what he might donate excellent. 


    [4:07] So yeah, that's pretty I was thinking this week if we make it to the end of this podcast like get through all the records Without a like a seriously like hardcore diehard to actually hitfam you're killing Tim or I And I think we've it's been a success But yeah, it won't happen. 

    Hopefully it won't happen after today's recording. 

    There may be like an Oswald Jack Ruby incident at the finale. 


    [4:38] But you guys don't have guns in Canada, so that's good. I had already plotted... 

    It's really hard though. Oh God. 

    I had already plotted, you know, a disguise for the event, so it's not really me that's there. No, I'm not Pete. 

    If you see somebody with a goatee and a mustache and another mustache on top of that mustache, that's probably Tim Lydon Maybe two mullets The glasses with the nose and themustache Yeah, so let's start off like we always do and get a sense of how you guys took in this record Where you did your listening? 

    Did it heighten or expand that experience? All that good shit. 


    [5:26] I went into it right away. I mean, after our last pod recording, I kind of jumped right into it. 

    In Violet Light because I was excited and wanted to keep the momentum going and the work going and I listened to it all over the place. 

    I was, well, the first listen was cleaning out the garage and I was driving and I was at physical therapy for a portion on the train headed to Seattle. 

    It was, I was kind of all over the place listening to this and I gotta say it was a more fragmented listen than past albums in that I had a hard time. 

    I know about you, Pete, you might be the opposite of a feeling, but I had a hard time going from first song to last song and just listening to it straight through. It was because of a myriadof reasons, but sometimes because of the music. 

    Yeah, sometimes because of the music. Huh. You know, I mean, I hear what you're saying, Tim. 

    For me, I too jumped right into this one immediately after we finished, like, maybe even that night, finished the recording or the very next day. 

    As is with everything with this band, I started to listen and was just wildly unimpressed. 


    [6:48] And then just, it like, as the time went on, I just was like, so wrong and like, I, I mean, literally, I'm glad I've, I've been saving my notes now in my like notes section of my computerbecause I didn't save the notes from the first one, because they just now have gotten longer and longer and longer. 

    And like, by the time we get to the final record, it's going to be a Dostoyevsky novel, dude. 


    [7:18] It's just super, yeah, it's ridiculous, man. I enjoyed the shit out of this record. 

    I would say my listening places, mistake, I started at the computer, which is maybe why I was unimpressed, but I'm just going to say this, there's nothing better than driving in my car,listening to this record. 

    I did a lot of driving this last week, a lot of driving, and this record just, especially on the sound system I have in my car, I think that I'm a... 

    Premium premium audio system in my car. Yeah. 


    [8:00] You know laugh while you want to Just I love it And I think it's my laugh is like 96% joy because you know for all of us Out there and in the interwebs land listening to this It's somedude named Pete He's got, you know blonde hair and blue eyes and he's from California and he lives in fucking Spain driving around in some cool car Which I don't know what it is. 

    So don't tell me No, you don't some cool car with some cool sound system this dude from LA gets a drive around fucking Spain And I'm you know at time of recording While we'repromoting our event coming up. 

    It's you know, just fucking snowed 11 inches in Portland in 24 hours and it was the most snow in 24 hours since 1943. 

    And here's Pete just driving around, do, do, do, do, do. It's not snowing. 

    It's snowed. It snowed this weekend, too, and where I was at. 

    Oh, wow. Envy and joy. Envy and joy. 

    OK, I'll take it. Yeah. I'll take it. Yeah. So. J.D., what do you think? 

    Yeah, J.D. This was a record. This was the last record that I saw a tour for until the last record. 


    [9:15] So I was starting to like wind down my extreme, like this is my number one band fandom. 

    And if you'll note the year, you guys will recognize that's when, you know, like I found pavement and I just was getting caught up. 

    Like, you know, the 2000s for me were getting caught up in everything that I'd missed in the 90s for singularly listening to the Tragically Hip. 

    And of course, a bunch of other stuff. 

    So I resented that a little bit, but when Greg and I were doing the podcast and I came back to this record, it was like, what were you thinking? 

    What blows my mind is that this is 2002. 


    [10:04] This means they've released six records in less than 10 years and they keep getting better, like they keep getting stronger or different at the very least. 

    And I, I just don't understand how they were able to do that. 

    You know, I just don't. Aye, aye. 

    I second that emotion, Smokey, certainly. I have a feeling, I don't know what your all music rating you saw was. 

    I didn't look that up. But I feel that at this point, the past few albums and this one have been highly influenced by who's helping on the production side. 

    You know, this one we had Hugh Pagum. 


    [10:53] Yeah. who did police albums and XTC and split ends and, you know, albums with beautiful sound. 

    He invented gated drumming. The sound of drums in the 80s. Think of In the Air Tonight, the drum sound. 


    [11:13] He invented that sound. And that sound is so prevalent in like, Like, you know, especially like, well, like highly glossed 80s, you know, artists, right? 

    They were, they were all playing with that stuff. And there's... 

    Sorry, go ahead. No, no, no. 

    I was just gonna, it's crazy you mentioned the drums just because, and I didn't hear the gated sound in this, but in a lot of my notes, I mentioned the drums, the sound of the drums in thisparticular record are they really, really, really stand out, really stand up. 

    Yeah. For a drummer that's not flashy, you know what I mean? 

    Right. Not flashy at all. He's so, and this is going to sound like I'm damning with faint praise, but I'm not, when I say he's so competent, I just mean workman like, you know, Johnny Fayeis just workman. 

    Like it's, it's just, he knows what the song needs and he goes in there and gets it done and that's what you get, you know, but he, he really, In my opinion, he rises above on this. 

    He's a bit of the cream that comes to the top on this record, man, for a lot of reasons, but we'll get into it in the songs. 

    I might agree with that, but just to circle back, I think that the production side of this one. It's more. It feels less. 


    [12:32] Band driven and more like who produced this album. 

    That's how it felt to me and Sometimes that that feels awesome with sometimes that is awesome. 

    And sometimes it's like whoa. Yeah, okay That's the that's the album that you tag him if I'm saying his name, right pageant pipe edge I'm happy on the hue pageant produced and in thatYou know, I felt this on this one. 

    It's just to continue my food analogies It's like showing up at a restaurant and there's like there's you still got everybody in the kitchen But somebody else, you know kind of wrote themenu like it's like where'd that where'd our where'd our house cheeseburger go? 

    You know, it's just missing and we have some something else. 

    So this one felt a little different to me and I mentioned this the Pete a few days ago But even on the sound side, from my car to my headphones, everything, this album is fucking bright. 

    It's as if somebody came into my equalizer and pumped up most the levels, especially mid to highs, because it's fucking bright. 


    [13:39] So much that I was turning down my shit to make it more tolerable. 

    It was over-the-top produced in on the sound finish side. 

    It was different than the others different than yeah Well one last anecdote about Hugh Padgham That's sort of funny is Johnny Faye was of course a big Stewart Copeland fan. 


    [14:07] So He ended up skipping his grade 13 exam one of his exams to go and buy a police record the day it came out. And I forget which record it is. 


    [14:25] Oh man, you, God damn. Yeah, I'm not 100% certain what record it is. 

    That's amazing. Yeah, so he was absolutely stoked to be working with this producer. 

    And this was their first sort of, Like he says their first sort of get, you know, in terms of producers. So I wonder if they were performing and they just, they were performing for him. 

    And they also were sort of like in reverence, just lifted their hands off the wheel and just said, you know, take us home. 

    I don't know. That's crazy. You know, I swear this is going to be the last quick anecdote, but just cause you brought up the police. 

    Do you guys both know that the record Synchronicity, which is easily my favorite police record, I had 32 different covers. 


    [15:18] No, no, look, that's a fact. 

    No, no, but some are more valuable than the others. So they did last time. 

    So they actually produced all of them. No, they just the covers themselves. 

    Yeah, different. Yeah, that's amazing. That is amazing. Yeah, they just they were like different pictures that they had taken. 

    And they just made multiple different covers and put it out. 

    And so some people have like, a blue and yellow stripes. 

    Some people have the red, the yellow and the blue. Some people have more red. 

    It's just really unique. I love that. Yeah. Random people. Just because we're talking about the blue. Cool factoid. Yeah, this album, just if I could keep going a little bit, it felt... 


    [16:01] One of the words that came to mind was, and it's not, but it was like sophomoric or homecoming. Like, it felt like the band had gone on, you know, this... how many years are wetalking now? 

    It's 2002, right? How many years are they in the game? 84. Yeah, so 618. 

    That's a lot of years. And I feel like if you're a band and you're at it for that long, to me, you're going to have this kind of album that's going to come out. 

    You're going to find a producer that's amazing or someone you've looked up to forever, and you're going to just go hit the go button with them. 

    And that's kind of what this album turned out to be, to me, in my opinion. 

    It feels like professional accomplished. 


    [16:54] I'm really trying not to go to the word generic or standard TH, but some of it does feel that way. 

    And then there's these little glimpses in there of Gord still doing his thing. 

    The last album, if I could circle back to that like, There's no Tiger the Lion on this album for me. 

    That's kind of my statement. Like the music at work, when I hit Tiger the Lion, it was like, oh shit, what is this song? 

    And I was really searching for that on In Violet Light, and it was hard to come up with that. It was hard to get there. Oh, wow. 

    I've got two Tiger the Lions on this record, and they're fucking back to back. 

    Ha, ha, ha. Ooh, man, I'm interested to hear what these are, too. Let's go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Alright, well let's go song by song then. 

    Are you ready? Fuck yeah. I'm ready, man. What's the first song? Are you ready? 


    [17:52] See, I was waiting for that though, I was waiting for that all week. 

    That's in your notes, isn't it? It is in my notes. Say, ask JD, tell JD, no. 


    [18:01] Dude, I'll take this one, Tim, just because I want to kick it off, man. I mean, what a fucking song to open up a record with. 

    It's just, it's the band taking the fucking golf ball, putting the tee between their pointer and their middle fingers, sticking the fucking ground, and then looking back at you handing you theclub and going, so, are you ready? 

    It's just fucking, the chorus is amazing. 

    Johnny Faye's drums on this, I'll say this just off the top, but this is like many songs I heard his snare is so bright. 

    Mm-hmm. His snare is so bright. It's a fucking bright out this It's yeah, it's just it's you could it's standout for sure The the cool way it starts with the guitars I think Paul Langlois, am Ipronouncing his name right finally? You nailed it. 

    So Paul Langlois guitar He's playing like a like a dissonant note in there because when Rob Baker comes in with his little guitar licks he's not playing anything dissonant he's playing likea like a happy sort of major lick and it works great with what what Paul's playing but it's just it's just fucking Cool. 


    [19:27] I have a halftone guitar lick, the solo. I love this. I just, I love this song. 

    It just got me ready for the next shit to come. 

    This is a plane taking off. And you know, we get Silverjet down the line, but it is a Silverjet just fucking going a thousand miles an hour up into the air right now. 

    I fucking love it. What about, let's say you, Tim. 

    You know, I thought it was a super starter also. 


    [20:04] It reminded me, just the whole, are you ready? Reminded me right away of the English beat, are you ready to dance? 

    Or are you ready to ska? There's like this old, that got covered a few times too. It's just Similar lyric that it just brought me back to which is always fun. 

    I thought gourd sounded Like cleaner and brighter, of course, I'm gonna stop using that word in a minute Higher in tone like he sounds a little cleaner like almost He's really mastering histool Yeah Like also as if perhaps he you know Quit smoking for two weeks up until recording or something like there was just he was he was cleaner or less growly. 

    At the same time, the song compositionally was like, pretty basic, let's get going and see, kind of see what's next. 

    You know, it's not an embracer, it's a, let's put it in first gear and get this car moving down the road, you know. 

    I have a question for you. What do you guys think of the first four lyrics, the first four lines of lyrics? 

    Here the old whistle blowing, they're pulling the plug, Doug, we got to get going, they got our whole Doug. 


    [21:24] I think this record's riddled with Gord Downie Canadianisms, all just chock full of it. It's a reference of something, shit I don't know, being an American who doesn't even live there.No, no, this isn't a Canadian one. This is just interesting. 

    Lyrics to me that I just wondering like when I heard it I felt it was like self-referential like it was like you know like oh like they're we're done guys they were could be it they were startedfalling out of favor a little bit at this point just the diehards really started to cling on you know for the next two or three records. 

    After this it's still like a giant cohort like a giant cohort. 

    Yeah, like I mean they were still doing stadiums and things like that, but But it was so those lyrics really stuck out at me, you know, like and then it's like are you ready? 

    You know, it's like fuck it all like are you ready? You know what the balls of the balls of gourd down in a fucking call at the fan base like that. 

    That's fucking I I Mean, I don't know. Yeah, just like it's like hey, I guess I guess we're not the fucking We're not the the sweetest maple syrup in town anymore fellas. So let's they got ourfucking holes Doug. 

    Let's just play our shit Yeah, let's do it Yeah, I think I had some image of like getting out of your factory job The end of the day Friday, maybe got paid It's like we got to get the fuck outof here because these guys are gonna kill us eventually but not tonight I don't know it felt very working-class to tie back to what you said Pete. 

    You know this this album is riddled with Gordisms and and sorry and There was so much to look at and rabbit hole, and it was it was like fuck these guys Maybe you know part of it isthey were Pulling out lots of stops for Mr. 

    Hugh on the production side. Yeah, fun there. 

    So we move next to track two use it up. 


    [28:01] So I thought we went from like, okay, this is a fast-paced, let's get moving song, to kind of a slowdown quickly. I mean, I found this happening. 

    I know, JD, you comment sometimes on my, you know, look at albums as if they're books or chapters or what have you, but this one, you know, it was a little bit slow and darker andthere's a message or a lesson, there's like a teaching happening, the chorus of this super sing-along chorus with a way going, you know. 

    I was like, okay, is this a radio hit or, I don't know. 


    [28:48] This is the one with the Bruce Springsteen reference, is that right? Yeah. 

    You know, I had quickly wondered if this one felt a little too like scripted to reach USA audience. 

    I don't know. I was a little bit confused, a little bit like started off strong and then went into the slow dark kind of let's pull on the heartstrings quickly here. 

    Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, well, we'll go to Pete. What do you think, Pete? 

    It's again, like the plane has taken off with Are You Ready? 

    And now it's just it's ascending into the fucking cosmos, dude, this song. 

    Fucking just it cooked. I got chills. 

    And And the hairs on my arms stood up, thinking and dreaming about hearing this song live.". 


    [29:52] Like literally, the way the drums are, Paul Lanois' guitar in this song is the drums, the way he holds the rhythm to it. 

    Rob Baker must have, I don't know what, I mean, here's the thing, I think I said this maybe the last podcast, but his talent as a guitar player has become exponentially better as each recordgoes on. 

    Not just like all the cool effects that are in this, it just is fucking awesome. 

    I mean, just hearing the licks, Gord commands this song like a fucking admiral commands an aircraft carrier. I mean... 


    [30:39] When he goes, I love the chorus, music that can take you away, and it just, there's like an echo effect or there's some sort of effect that just lets his voice ring out, but there's a partwhere he goes back into the second verse, I think, or maybe the third verse, and he goes an octave higher and he goes, instead of, use it up, use it up, and he gets really high. 

    And it just, it's like watching the kettle on the fucking stove about ready to fucking explode. That's what I think of this song too. I think of it as like, just a builder. 

    And like, I don't think of it as a slow song at all. 


    [31:23] You know, like, like, like, there's some, some, some real hot water bubbling away here, getting ready to boil over. 

    You know, you guys are almost making me want to listen to this album, but not in order. 

    Not in order. I feel like I should go back to it and put it on random and see what happens. 

    See what happens, yeah. Because I just, I wish I had the same sentiment. 

    I went from, like, the car is moving to, oh, who are we trying to grab here? 

    I mean, these lyrics are heavy, fairly simple, compared to some other hip songs, you know, lots of repeated chorus but like I just wasn't exactly yeah just didn't just didn't grasp me so thethe the way the guitar starts once the drums kick in it's got that kind of like bluesy bar rock sound to it just like I just imagine the fucking crowd just just just thumping at that live showwhen this song is played live. I mean. 


    [32:31] And Gordon singing out, somebody pushing the fucking sustain button on who's ever working the board and just away! 

    And it just, everybody losing their fucking mind and Rod Baker doo doo, doo Just, sorry man, I fucking I sound like a douchebag fanboy on this podcast You know I'm cool with it Theother day I was like I'm gonna come in maybe not sounding the most positive about this And I was like, I bet Pete's going to hold it up for us. But that's kind of a tough part. 

    Part of this assignment is really difficult in that we're listening to albums and albums and albums by a band, hours and hours. And we should add up the hours by now. 


    [33:20] And we've watched some videos, and we've never attended a show. 

    I mean, I've never seen The Rolling Stones. I've listened to every one of their albums. 

    There's tons of examples like that. But I haven't sat down and gone through song by song by The Stones, nor do I want to. 

    So nobody invite me to go do that. But anyways, it's like we've not seen the hit play. 

    And I know that many of their songs are probably just amazing live. 

    Yeah. They're built for live, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just a facet of my hip career that I'm missing. 

    But this next one, the darkest one, which I'm mostly going to let Pete talk about because it has to do with it, you know, a little bit with his favorite TV show. 

    But this one, this is my JD karaoke request, this one. 

    Oh wow. I want to hear JD belt this one out. That's what I heard when I heard this song. I was like, oh, this is good. 

    Oh, this would be cool to hear JD sing karaoke. 


    [34:31] Have you ever done karaoke to this song, JD? 

    I never found it at a karaoke place. Usually they have the bigger hits, but they don't have the deeper cuts. 

    Well, maybe you could just send me your own video recorded version. 

    I'll do it. I mean, just to share with me. 


    [34:52] Yeah, this song contains one of my favorite sets of lyrics ever, like ever, by anybody. 

    You know, the wild are strong, and the strong are the darkest ones, and you're the darkest one. Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah. 

    Like, that build to describing somebody in that manner, oh, it just makes me grin. just makes me grin. 

    Oh, God, dude, the song. 

    First of all, I love that it was the the track of the trailer. 

    That's how I recognized it initially. You know, you know, I mean, we have to talk that kind of guy. 

    It really cooks the opening. But I mean, just Gord Sinclair's bass is like holding this song up and help pushing it up and get it off the ground. 

    I agree that the chorus, we're the strong or the darkest ones and you're the darkest one. 

    I mean, it's just how he repeats it, how Gord repeats it, you're the darkest one and I can't sing like him. The melody just goes up and down. 

    It's just fucking amazing. 


    [36:15] There's the line, it's funny because like initially all I thought it was like that horrible show they used to have on. 

    God, I can't even remember the name of it, where the guy would like, God, what was the name of that show? It was the Chris, not Chris Matthews, he was on NBC. 

    Remember the guy would, the police would be checking those people, the people that were trying to hook up with young kids or something. 

    And he said, why don't you come in and have a seat, right? Remember that? 

    Oh, yeah. He's like, he busts people like, Yeah, he busts people. 

    Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about. 

    Oh, God, I can't remember the name of the show. Yeah, whatever it's called either. 

    If you if you remember it, send us an email. JD at gettinghiptothehip.com What that horrible show is. 

    I think Pete at gettinghiptothehip.com. 

    That's for Pete. Yeah, I know. All right. Anyway, he would always say, like, why don't you come in and have a seat? But like, that's like a really demonic, horrible version. This was like,so like, Gord was like inviting everybody, come in, come in. 

    It's warm and it's safe in here. Like, it was just like, like, we're already, we've walked through the door with these first two songs on this record. Now he's saying, like, hey, come in, makeyourself at home, have a seat on the couch. 

    You know, it's so personal. 

    I don't know, I got a really personal vibe from this record. 


    [37:44] Lyrically, the way that the band played together so beautifully. 


    [37:49] I feel like, yeah, you already mentioned the chorus, JD. You can really feel the band come together on this there. Everybody's now at the same level. Like, it's not the... 

    No offense to Gord Downie, because he's, you know, he's just what it is he's amazing but like I feel like it's not just the gore downy show I like feel like if you took any member of thisband out of the band it would be equally as devastating. 

    Equally as devastating. 100%. The last thing I will say is I don't know how I'd ever confirm this, but I feel like Rob Baker has maybe switched out the pickups on his Fender Strat duringthis one. 

    He's maybe using some of those Fender Tex-Mex ones instead of the delay sensors. 

    And I was just... because that solo at the end sounds really twangy, it's hard to use Tim's term, bright. 


    [38:42] And it pissed me off so much that the song faded out. 

    But the more I thought about it, the more I was like, dude, you can't end this song with a raging solo, such an amazing song, you just have to let it fade out. 

    You can't compete with the rest of this song. So Rob Baker or the producer, they were in the right to just let the song fade out because You can't one-up yourselves in the same song. 

    It's just so good. I didn't have an issue with the fade-out on this one. 

    I think, in part, it's just the total tone of the song and the lyric. 

    You're the darkest one. I mean, you're right. How would you end that? 

    I didn't question it. It didn't cross my mind. But we got to talk about how fun the video is. I didn't see it. 

    We don't. Oh, I got to see it. 


    [39:35] Yeah, that part, you know, we had just to add to that we have not talked about their videos much and at some point it'd be You know side note here it'd be fun to uh Maybe I don'tknow what riff on this later Watch their videos and have an episode where we each talk about our favorite video they produced or something Yeah, because this video This one jd knows. 

    Yeah, it's a hoot like I watched it like six videos Come on, you've seen the video with bubbles and everybody. 

    Oh, this is the one. Oh To me. 


    [40:24] Like Actor that like you forget that like, oh, that's core Johnny from the tragedy. 

    He just looks like he belongs, right? 

    Right, the video is so good, it feels really true. He could be Trevor Roy's cousin or something. 

    I have a teenager at home that watched that whole series enough times so it was on in our basement regularly. 

    I never saw that episode until through research found that, but the video is so fun. 

    I seriously watched it six times, it's just so good. and made me love the song more, and it made me come back. 

    You know, of course, in order of going through, in Violet Light, it just made me come back to this song as like, this song's a stopper, you know? 

    It could just be its own single, you know? It's just, it's just one of those songs. Yeah, I mean, just give it to me on a seven inch and I'll just play that on my turntable. 

    It's just a good, good song. 

    God rest Jim Lange. 


    [41:31] Yeah, poor lady So that takes us to The next track on the record, which is it's a good life if you don't weaken Yeah, no, I'll go so this from what I found this was the most played forthe album on Spotify by far The song has been played a ton for this album was like four million listens or something which I. 


    [41:55] Think is huge There was one question Yeah, this song for the single. 

    Okay, so that to me, that was kind of a surprise. Like why this one? 

    Why do people glom on because it's awesome. 

    But I might add a question of it around. I didn't do a deep dive. 

    But Gord said it was this phrase, Molly Lorimer use life on the road when discussing life on the road. And I couldn't find much on this Molly Lorimer. 

    I I don't know if you guys did. That was gonna be a question to you. 

    Yeah, I don't know. It's just attributed to her. Yeah. 

    It's a good life if you don't weaken. Yeah. It's a graphic novel by singularly named artist simply known as Seth. 

    I don't know, that's all I've got. Yeah, but that line came from Molly. 

    So, yeah. The piece itself was brought to the attention of the band by one of the staffers, Molly Lorimer. Okay. As Gord wanna explain, was fond of using the expression when discussinglife on the road. 


    [43:01] Yeah, I mean, I love that part about it and that reference as far as literary references go on many of the songs, you know, was a little bit more mysterious, especially even differentsince it's based a bit on a graphic novel, which I don't think Gord has done yet. 

    It seemed kind of like a love song or a, I don't know, a separation song or figuring out life, coming back together. 

    You know, it was, it was, it was, there were lots of question marks on this one for me. It was kind of like, why is it so popular? What am I? 

    I don't think I'm missing something here. I think I get it. 

    I think it's just, I don't know, another, another heartstrings puller. 

    That's kind of where I was left. What about you, Mr. Pete? 


    [43:52] I did not like this song when I first started listening to it. 

    The first run or two of it, the first thing I wrote was, this song is the cover of this record. 

    So you listen to the guitar and you look at the cover, you're just like, oh, this is like the title track of the record. 

    And then it just, I don't want to say it's my favorite song on the record, but it's pretty close man. I mean it's so good. 

    The way this song builds, the keyboards come in and it just layers so nicely. 

    I feel like when the chorus comes in and the harmonies hit, It's just, oh God, it's just beautiful, man. It's so good. 

    The bridge is like butter. 

    Sometimes bands, because they feel the need to put a bridge into songs, because in Newsflash, not every song needs a bridge. 

    And sometimes bands just put it in and they sound like shit. 

    And this is just not one of those cases. It's like such a beautiful extension of the song. I don't know why I wrote in here. 


    [45:22] Rob Baker's Fender accompaniment is wretched. And I don't think I meant that as an insult, because I loved it. I thought it was really good. 

    But the build before the chorus of the song is just because it starts out so soft. so yeah that finger-picking guitar and then it just builds to this climactic. 


    [45:46] Saga Wonderful. I don't know man. I can't say that enough fucking good things about the song. I loved it. Well, you answered my question I think that's that's great. 

    I'm gonna go back and listen to it I was you know, I wasn't it wasn't so Wasn't so feeling that I I I am invasive how it grew on you. 

    I think that's Make that's wonderful. I would say it's a lot of people's favorite song. Yeah record. 

    As far as the singles go. 


    [46:16] Because this record's full of deeper cuts, too, that that fans are really big on. 

    One in particular I'll get to when we get there. 

    But these are the these last two songs. The Darkest One and It's A Good Life If You Don't Weekend are my two favorite songs on this record. I love those songs. 

    Pete, with Silver Jet, did you long for a bridge in that one or some sort of change up or how'd you feel about the long ending fade out of this one i love i mean i liked it i the song and theway i to be honest with you the the song first when i first first heard the song a couple times i didn't like the um that lick in there it just sounded i didn't like it it was pissing me off did itsound like a little it sounded almost like a little bit hairband to me. 

    Like there was some kind of, I don't know. It totally did. Yeah. 

    Reminds me of like Van Halen or something, you know? Yeah. It made me wonder if this was a a music-first song. 


    [47:25] I just think that you can only get away from your roots so much, you know? 

    At the end of the day, we all return to, you know, just as we're born, begging and screaming and crying for your mama, you die the same way. 

    And so we all have that in us throughout our lives and like, they have that history. 

    It's like it or hate it. That's part of their history as a band. 

    But I chose to embrace it and I really liked it. 

    I thought one of the coolest things was this song and one other one I think we'll get to. 

    There's a lot of like harmonic plays with the guitar. That. 

    Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I'm pretty sure it's it's it's Rob Baker, but it could be Paul and Juan just playing those those those repeated harmonics on the guitar with that heavy distortion andit's just fucking cool. 

    And I don't know that this is one but it feels like a like a a Gord Downie Canadianism song. 


    [48:34] It may be about something in history. I just seem too random to be talking about a silver jet. This is one record I didn't look at any of the lyrics. 

    I just listened I listened intently. 

    On your first listen or what do you mean? On any listen, which I think it served me well because I paid much more attention to the music and the band and like Gord doesn't need toimpress me with his lyrics, I don't need to fucking read his lyrics to to be impressed by them so, I think the fact that I didn't look at any lyrics for this record made me appreciate it a littlebit more, and I'm glad I did that. 


    [49:16] Process-wise, definitely the first six listens or something, I'm not looking up really looking up lyrics much at all. 

    It's just at the end is where I love to do the deep dive where I've really taken in the album and what makes me, I don't know, just completes my wonderment of where this album is goingor where these songs are going. 

    And this one, you know, I love the roars overhead You know, it's it really I talked about this before but that one felt super REM Michael Stipe to me I just totally couldn't completely hearMichael Stipe in that one and it's And it's also, you know, this is 2002 and that reference to me is more like 88 You know late 80s, maybe early 90s. 

    Sorry. Um, so Yeah, dude, I didn't think Tim you're you're spot-on with that Michael Stipe reference Oh big time big time, and you know, I I don't say that in a negative way. 

    I just circle back to Wishing I could be a fly on the wall and the tour bus to hear what these guys are listening to or sharing, you know because it's it's There's definitely some some threadsthroughout all of it the the ending was the ending and I thought this one was um, I I don't know just long They're starting to now have like one song where there's an ending of like aminute or more of just music just instrumental. 


    [50:42] You know, which which I I dig sometimes I wish there's like for this song in. 


    [50:48] Particular there was Maybe there was room for a Stronger bridge or some sort of change up in it. 

    I think I think this this song. I don't know I. 


    [50:58] Maybe this is one of the songs I need to hear live but this one like it was really close to being one of my favorites on the album there just was something wow something in therethat was just a little bit missing like I first few times I listened to this one I was like oh what is it about this song there's there just wasn't enough salt on it or something there wassomething in there so I want to go back and hear it again and maybe find some live version to see what's different about it. 

    Yeah, it's definitely a banger live. 


    [51:36] I think some great lyrics. I think one of the coolest vocal deliveries on the record. Like he's barely opening his mouth. 

    He's like grinning these lyrics out almost. 


    [51:51] A rock star using the word archipelago. Oh yeah, that's a great point. 

    Like throwing words like that in there from a phrasing perspective is just a nightmare. 

    And yet He does it and he does it with ease It's so crazy My father-in-law mentioned we're telling on because my wife's gonna Ibiza Ibiza Ibiza He beat that um next week and And or twoweeks and I was like asking where it was and like thinking about it Is it over here? 

    Where's that? He's like and he said He said archipelago on, but he said it in Spanish, but I knew what he was saying, because it's a very similar word. 

    And it made me think of this song, and I was like, oh yeah, Silver Jet, like, just to hear, I mean, how often do you hear the word archipelago? 

    Never. On a given week? Yeah. On a month? No. And I heard it, like, the same day I was listening to this song, he said archipelago, and I was like, that's fucking weird. 

    There's a glitch in the matrix somewhere, man. Yeah, totally. 

    There's lots of great one-liners in this song. It's, it's, it's, it's chocked full. It's, it's a really, I don't know. 

    Again, this was one I kept coming back to and kind of couldn't get enough of, you know, that I'm thinking it through. 

    Your father-in-law's going to Ibiza? Is he going to a rave there? 

    What's he, what's going to, does everyone know he's going there? 


    [53:20] No, he's just going, she's going to a, just with her friend to visit. 

    Oh, she's going this way. 

    But I was going to say a minute ago, all the cheeseburger references by you, Tim, we're going to start calling you Randy. You start having to do this podcast to get your shirt off. 


    [53:39] I don't know, Mr. Leahy. We haven't had a cuddle in a long time. 

    I gotta say, I gotta say one thing, dude. 

    I don't know, God, if she listens to this podcast, she's never gonna ever want to talk to me again, but my sweet, great and wonderful colleague, Barb, who lives on, um, I can never say hername. 

    Canada is such a huge, huge country. 

    It's more on the West Coast. But every time I just see her name, she sends me an email. 

    I don't see Barb or Barbara. I just see burp. 

    It's actually, I just see it spelled B-E-R-B. I just hear Randy saying, burp. 


    [54:29] Like, it's just, and I know she would find it funny because she loves that show. 

    She's a huge, ridiculously huge head fan. I think that's the booze talking, Pete. I think he might need to lay off of the booze. 

    That's my best advice. Probably. So, uh, looking gla- throwing off glass. 


    [58:21] Like, right when this one, maybe it had to do with me microdosing throughout the week, but wow, it was like, turn down the levels. 

    There are some serious drums and cymbals and big, big loud king of pain, kind of. 

    There's some serious production happening with this one. You know, it's overall, my comments on this one are super basic. 

    It's a beautiful song In general, you know, I got the the dad vibes from it the teenage kids It's kind of like The daughter song. 

    I don't know JD. I was like, oh this seems like to me this might be You know JD's song for his his girls, you know, it's just a beautiful beautiful song There's just wasn't a whole lot more toit than that for me. It's just like whoo. 

    Okay Okay, that's a mouthful. I love this track. It was a great, like, in-between. 


    [59:26] It was a great palate cleanser. I know that's like a negative connotation to say, in-between this song and the next, but it just was so needed and it was so well placed in the order of it.

    I love the way it's just, it was a super spacey track. 

    Vocals were just echoed all over the place and yeah I don't have a ton to say about it other than I really really enjoyed it. 

    I thought again this is the other one where Rob Baker's harmonics really really shined on it like they just drive the song and I'm like it's just Just awesome. 


    [1:00:06] Loved it. Just loved it. Really, really good chill out song to kind of go, take a break, lower the blood pressure a little bit. You've been rocking out. 

    We're only on song six. 

    Yeah, it was kind of serene. It was its own movie, this one, I think. 

    You know, it's definitely stands on its own. Yeah, the next song All tore up. 

    Yeah, I'll tore up. Okay. So here's another really Gonna this is the last time I'm gonna talk about about holy shit the drums and the cymbals the high hats on this one It's just like whoa Turnit down guys. 

    Like this is a this is my final call out on the production side of this one. It's just, Kaplow in my ear holes. So there you have that. But the there's Tim is Tim is Huey Lewis in that firstscene of Back Feature one. Sorry, guys. 

    Just too loud. Next, please. Sorry, Tim, I didn't mean to cut you off. 

    Love it loud. I just you know, I have. 


    [1:01:23] Yeah, anyways, that there The bridge in this one, you might make it, right? 

    You know, that really smacked me. This is just an amazing change in this one. 

    I felt like this one stepped out a little bit more than previous songs and kind of was leaning a little bit more in a direction that I had been looking for, just musically, just tragic, hip-esque,you know? 

    This one kind of brought me back to, I don't know, just what I want in a hip album. 


    [1:02:00] I liked the finding, the reference towards Dottie Cormier, famous Canadian bluegrass singer. 

    So kind of went down a rabbit hole and checked out her stuff and gave her a bunch of listens. 

    Yeah, I mean, she's mentioned in there and she's one of the more famous bluegrass people of Canada, which is awesome. I'm not a huge bluegrass fan, but I definitely appreciate it when Icome across it, and it's great. 

    But I thought it was a song about going for it, living life, just appreciating things, looking for moments of biggest impacts or things that matter. 

    You know, I typed in, you just need to be you and keep moving. 

    It's inspirational. This is a good, to me this is. 

    This is a good hip song on this album. If somebody's going to say, what should I listen to? This would definitely be one of the songs. 

    Oh, yeah, I liked it. Aside from the bright, fucking bloody. 

    All right. Happening. 


    [1:03:13] Well, to back that up, I will say one of the things I've written in my notes here is Johnny face snare is boosted. It is. And I love I do. 

    Yeah, I love it, like for me, it fits with the album, like, I could see how you could look at it as a, as maybe a, like, I would do this differently, but like, I just feel like they did that onpurpose, and it fits with the record and I think it's done well. It's noticeable. 

    That's the problem, though. But you know what, like, maybe, like, here's the thing, maybe it should be noticeable for a lot of reasons because the drums in a lot of these songs really, reallydrive the momentum of the tunes. 

    The opening lick that I think is, I want to say it's Rob Baker playing, that opening lick with the double stop, just how he just, I'm like, wait, how do you play that again? 

    Because it just, it doesn't stop, it doesn't stop and start where you think it's going to stop and start. 

    It's really, and the drums come in at a different tempo, and it's just cool as fuck. 

    Question JD, I have this written out, what are the school buses in Canada? 

    Do you guys have like yellow school buses like we have in the States? 


    [1:04:36] Because I mean, I don't know, are they big school buses like the big long ones? 

    Yeah, Bluebird, which is like one of the big school bus manufacturers, used to have a plant in the town, like 20 minutes from where I grew up. 

    And I worked there every summer building school buses. Yeah. 

    Okay. Well, maybe you would have seen any bass player in the whole of Canada that was worth their salt getting on that school bus because literally Gordon Sinclair takes anybodylistening to this record who plays bass to fucking school on a bus. 

    I mean, it's a master, it's a master's degree, it's not a master class, it's a fucking master's degree. 

    I mean, the way he fucking goes up high with the bass in this, I'm just like, I listen, this is one of the very few songs where I like stopped and and clicked back and was like listening to itand going, what the fuck is he doing, dude? 

    Like, I don't know anybody that can play that shit. 

    I've met a few bass players in my day, but just so smooth and so cool, I mean, I loved it. 


    [1:05:51] The only other thing I will say about this song is that the lyrics and the vocal phrasing by Gord, and I say this and I feel like people hate me for saying this, but if they hate methen they're not true Canadians, because it's very much a lot of Alanis phrasing the way Gord sings the lyrics on this. 

    I listened to Jagged Little Pill last night, as a matter of fact, on vinyl. It's a fucking record that still stands up so great. 

    But yeah, anyway, very much got some Atlantis vibes with the phrasing on it. 

    It was a great song. So wild that you hear Atlantis all the time. 

    Oh, I love that. It's Atlantis and Michael Stipe. I think those are the most referenced singers. 


    [1:06:45] Yeah Yeah, that's far out let's keep moving so with leave JD did you ever hear this one live? Do you recall? I don't recall. 

    No, I just this is this was definitely one right away I was like, oh, this is probably great life you know, I just I go there so often just because I've been to so many shows and I know theSerotonin boosts that you have when you leave a concert or hear a song you love, you know it's just this this one was me reaching for that um it felt uh oh just introspective anddeliberative and it it i the only thing about it is kind of towards the end i felt like it could go another minute you know i felt like we could have and have had another verse in there if it's ifthere's a live version of it being longer or if they mix it up because this song just compositionally felt like there was opportunity to play around and change it a little bit so it's I thought itwas a pretty cool song. 

    How about you Pete? I thought it was really cool. 

    I mean the way it started was very like spacey and mm-hmm like almost like Wait, what? 


    [1:08:10] Did my Spotify malfunction or whatever? Like it couldn't have happened before with CDs, but really, the way it's like a shuffle, it kind of feels like a shuffle, you know, the waythe beat is. 

    And the phrasing again, this is another one where Gord's phrasing is super, super diverse. 


    [1:08:36] The chords are really... I got some heavy Stone Temple Pilots vibes. 

    Oh, totally. Completely. Yeah. Really? Like, those guys from... 

    I think I was almost going like Alice in Chains or something. 

    There was something in there from the 90s. 100%. 100%. 

    There's a part where Paul Langlois' guitar comes in, and the song, it starts to form, And there's a line that says, a routine flight for this bird tonight, more worms for earth in the afterlife. 


    [1:09:15] Like, what the fuck, dude? Look at that. After that line, the song just like explodes open. 


    [1:09:26] I love the chorus. It's just, yeah, I'm not displeased with this song at all. 

    There's nothing. I'm trying not to wrap up the whole album, but you know, if you guys haven't figured out already, I really liked this album. 

    There's not much negative shit I can say about it. So if you're looking for negative shit, just turn off the podcast and wait. 

    Or just call me, you know, I have throat pain. 

    Because this next one, if we can get into it. Yeah. Yeah. A beautiful thing. 

    You know, it's kind of this cute start sing-along-y feeling. 

    Definitely XTC. Definitely R.E.M. 

    You know, like it's the bridge, the guitar solo kind of bridge that happens in there. When I heard that, I was like, oh, what happened? 

    This song, it was the first time I heard it, I couldn't finish it. 

    This was one of the few songs that this has happened to me. And I was like, God damn it. 

    Here's the song that I need to talk about that it took me a handful of times to get through because it just, it wasn't a beautiful thing for me. 

    It was, uh, I just, I just, I know I was totally questioning it. 

    It was like, are they, were they trying to make a wedding song or like, what is, what is this song? I was like, what the fuck? This didn't need to be on the album. It just kind of... 


    [1:10:52] Sorry, sorry hip fans. Yeah, I mean I hope you guys don't kick me off the pod, but this one I was like FF fast-forward with next week. 

    We'll be joined by just We found Tom from Seattle who's gonna join us next week we sent him a supply of happy pills and Definitely told him he's not allowed to have any indica beforehe gets on the pod Tim, I felt you with this, man. 

    I mean, here's the thing, though. 

    At first I felt you with this and I was like, I started listening to some more and I was fucking love this. 

    First thing I like, I thought this was the father daughter song when I heard it first. 


    [1:11:42] But the three, four, this is a dance song. You can, there's definitely people, There's the guy, you know, with his arms behind. 

    Somebody or the girl on his shoulders or whatever it is, swaying back and forth with this song at the concert. 100,000 percent. 

    The chorus is super strong. 

    The way they go, Beautiful thing. Toot toot toot. 

    Exactly. This is the second song I've noted that I think Rob Baker switched out as his pick-up song. 

    God, I, I, I, I, I, I, I hesitate to scour the internet for, for those, um, you know, when the musicians do those pedal reviews or they're like, it's like the Amoeba what's in your bag thing. 

    Often like interview guitar players and be like, what's on your pedal board? 

    Or like, what's the kind of guitar you're using? And like, I know if I find one of Rob Baker, my life's over. Cause I'm going to be like, Hmm, spending more money on shit. 


    [1:12:49] I thought this song was a beautiful song, just fucking awesome to be cheesy and tie it up that way. 

    It's basically one of three of the fewest listens on the album. 

    I know Spotify isn't everything, but I take it as, you know, a guiding point. 

    The last three songs are the three least listened to on this album. 

    So and I felt like the album did take a little bit of a turn for me with that. 

    All right. Well, let's move on to Dire Wolf then. 

    Um, dude, drums, opening lick, a guitar solo, fucking clean as hell. 

    It, it, it, it, this is going to sound weird, I got to phrase this properly. 

    Because the opening, these last two songs are really unique because they change so much. 

    The first part of the song made me feel like I'm going to phrase it properly. 


    [1:14:00] Like I was in a wheat field during a cold, a cool summer day. 

    The opening was so cool. I think Pauline Waas is opening up with the guitar. 

    And this seems certainly like a Gord Downie Canadianism song, lyrically is it? Yeah, big time. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And what I want to know, Gord talking about what he loves themost, his country. 

    And I wrote this down because I was thinking about it driving home yesterday. 

    And it almost brought me to tears listening to this song. So I was like, dude, what a gift. 


    [1:14:43] Sorry to get all serious for a second, like what a fucking gift this guy was to his country. 

    Absolutely. I never got it before. Like my friend Barb, who I talked about earlier, I was making a joke about. 

    Barb? Barb, yeah. And then you, JD, and then other people in my life who've mentioned The Hip to me have been super passionate. I'm just like, it's almost kind of like, God, okay. 

    Hey, I just didn't get it. 

    And this is a song where it just really hits home. 

    And the more research I do about the band, the more I get into them, the more I look at interviews with Gord, I'm just like, like, I don't think Americans have anything as an equivalentbecause I know there was that hockey, the guy on like SportsCenter Canadian Hockey who said like, you know, If you took Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan, all those things, you know, thatquote, JD? Yeah. Yeah. 

    Like you'd like sort of get like what? Because like, yeah, we don't have that. 

    Like this guy had plenty of criticisms for his government. But at the end of the day, it was like a really unifying force for Canada. 


    [1:15:57] I don't know, man. This song just got me all fucking weebly eyed and loved it. 

    That's awesome. I mean, I agree with all that. 

    I feel like this song you could easily write a 15-page dissertation about there's so maybe 150 like there's so much in here this to me was another song that could be a movie or a book Idon't know. 

    This song is so loaded and, you know, it's... 


    [1:16:31] I don't know. It's just quite poetic. I could go on about the lyrics or things I looked up and all the literature references. 

    I mean, it's just it's too much to even get into but I feel like there's also this yin-yang sort of to the song with the music versus the lyrics like it's the music to me at times feels like I don'twant to say pretty or cute, but the music has kind of this positive feel while the lyrics are kind of out here on their own. 

    It's wild. It's just a huge song. 

    And I agree with you, Pete, on Gord versus all of our USA stars. 


    [1:17:20] You know, just this last weekend, the Boss played in Portland, and I saw lots of footage of the Boss playing live at our arena and, you know, sold out show, of course. 

    And we have one close friend who is a major Bruce Bringsing fan, like flies all over the place to see him and all that. 


    [1:17:43] And just in watching, I mean, I get them musically and everything, and I've read up on Bruce and his whole upbringing and his struggle to success and watch his interview withObama and all those things, but at the same time, I'm like, this is nothing comparative with Gord in his lyrics and what he goes after. 

    He's not talking about the struggle of just working at the factory. 

    Talking about like that all the way back to hundreds of years before and you know just it's, it's so much more and i commented on this a little bit ago but there are a couple pods ago butwhen i met with a couple fairly important indie rock dudes in portland and mentioned i was doing this they didn't know either like they both had not still i mean guys our age not listenedto the tragically hip and when I mentioned that they're, you know, this beloved facet to the country of Canada and how just how important they are, you know, they didn't really even getthat because who do we talk about in that regard? Elvis? I don't know. 

    All these all these different things that that just don't measure up to me. 


    [1:19:06] But even so too, you're right, Tim, because like you can sit there and say that about any other country on the planet. Yeah. 

    You could probably say that about Spain. 

    You could say that about Japan. You could say that about South Korea or China or all these places. 

    Oh, they're really big there. But literally, it's right next door to the roof of the United States. 

    And the fact that those indie rock gods, who I know you're talking about, had no idea who the hip were. I was just fucking... I mean, they do, but they absolutely don't. Right, yeah,exactly. 


    [1:19:38] You know, like if I could have played a song right then and there, in the moment, before even mentioning them, and said, who do you guys think this is? 

    They would have gone like, oh, this is maybe something from the 90s I glossed over, because, you know, just, I'm not sure. 

    Maybe I was too into, you know, rare indie rock during that decade, I don't know. 

    It feels like something I skipped over and that's exactly I think what has happened with the hip in the US but to circle back up also on this album and the production of it and you HughPadgham, I don't know why I'm tripping on my Little knowledge of Italian when I see his name, which is not Italian Hugh Padgham when I look at you know of his signature statement onthis album, I think, this is O2, and this is another grasp at getting a global audience, like really trying to get people outside of Canada to embrace these guys who have this super specialthing going. 

    I think by this time, the band is, I don't think it's the band, the machine might've been that way, but I think the band at this point where they're making records. 


    [1:20:57] And they hope as many people hear them as possible, but like, you know. 

    But from a producer standpoint, a producer can definitely be going for that. 

    I mean, if someone's gonna sign their name as I produce this album, especially in this era of still going for album sales, I feel like there's a bit of that on this one. 

    And I thought when I heard the whole album, I thought, okay, we're probably getting a little bit more raw on the next album. 

    We're probably getting a little bit more Tiger the Lion. 

    I hope, you know, there's gonna be another turn and that's kind of in the wave of listening to the hip so far as we started off like all over the place and then we found some roots where wewere just like flowing through and then there's some highway changes, you know, so much of this has been about life on the road and we're hearing all the different examples in thedifferent decades of time, so. 


    [1:22:06] It's a fucking cool experience. I love you guys! And to sew it up, the guitar solo just really puts you in an emotional tailspin at the end of this tune. 

    And by the way, I looked it up while we were earlier when we were chatting, Hugh Pagin did in fact produce Synchronicity. 


    [1:22:29] I think it's that record. I think it's that one. Yeah, he did. 

    And he skipped the exam and he had to go to summer school as a result. 

    So it was like such a good record just for that record. 

    All right, let's wrap up this record with the Dark Canuck. 


    [1:26:42] Okay, I loved this song because it's two different songs, if you haven't noticed. 

    It's not the same song. 

    I mean, I don't know what to say about this song. I focus mostly on like, how the song starts off with like just a simple four-four beat and then it goes, like I spent most of the timelistening to the song trying to figure out what the time signatures were because they were just so random. 

    And I think I boiled it down to it goes 6-4 and then for every phrase it goes 6-4 and then 2-4 and it just repeats. 


    [1:27:35] Goes, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. 


    [1:27:40] 1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3,4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 1 playing like this really cool licks, like, I don't know, harmonic minor shit. 

    And just, it's just, they just, I don't know, maybe they didn't know they had like, okay, well, we got one more song we're gonna throw on the record. 

    What do you guys wanna do? Let's just fucking... 

    It's just taking a bunch of paint, throw it against the fucking wall and see what happens. 

    Yes, yes. And they got a fucking awesome song, dude. 

    It is a trip of a song. I can listen to this song a thousand times. 

    It's a fucking cool tune. Honestly, it was the kind of the one I was waiting for in that same regard, you know. 

    Right away, this was another one where I was like, oof, right away, oof, this is a banger life. 

    Lucky people got to hear this one live. Oh yeah, for sure. I mean, there's, and then this huge transition halfway through, yeah. 

    Two songs feel, it felt like we just moved into a new song. 

    It was just shoved into us. We went from, I have this note, we went from, um, the idea of a soldier returning home to feeling like we're on a bad holiday, like it just, it's just full of like facesmacking. 


    [1:29:08] I don't know. It's just the build-ups and this felt like, okay, Hugh's gone, guys, let's finally report on Canucco. 

    Well said, well said. 

    You know, they finally got what they wanted to do. And I really adored that 30-second drum machine ending, whatever that was, like, I just thought it was cool. 

    I was like, okay, I'm gonna keep going with the podcast because a couple songs ago, I was like, what do I send JD an email what do I do oh no just kidding no this one was fun it was itwas i, i longed for gourd to sing more angrily which is why i thought about you know the live version of this but um yet i should say it was just still just worked right and uh, it was kindof like a Whew, okay, there's Envy. 

    I didn't know what a Canuck was. I didn't know what a Canuck was until I looked it up with this song. I just thought they were a fucking hockey team. Wow. 

    What is a Canuck? I don't know that I know. It's like a lumberjack, right? 

    No, it's just a term for a Canadian person, I think. Yeah, it's a derogatory term. I don't know that it's derogatory. 

    I think it's just a slang. It's like Yankee for a, you know? 


    [1:30:34] Yeah, that's the way I've always heard it. People call us Yankees here a lot. 

    That's the way I've always heard Canuck. Yeah. 

    Yeah, that's what I thought too, you made me think it was, you made me doubt myself. 

    That's a good trick. I don't think it's derogatory or anything, it's just... No, I don't think so. This is a more fun way of saying Canadian. 

    Where did you land on the record, like overall? Like Pete, I think it's pretty clear, you really enjoyed it, but you started out not enjoying it, but now it's a grower. 

    I mean, I definitely had some speed bumps through it. 

    And yeah, a little more than usual, I would say. But also like, you know, still, still really liking this exercise and hearing a band's evolution. It's so interesting. 

    And overall, just for me personally, it's like this album and the way it's different than others. 


    [1:31:38] It just makes me commend just general artistic decision-making and direction and the way people do things. I mean, it's interesting. 

    All of my kind of feedback and sentiment over this album was like, it's still just valid to be out in the music space of life for people to see and hear, you know. 


    [1:32:07] It's yeah yeah well what is your MVP track what song are you putting on your playlist Pete did I steal your thunder did you have kind of a album wrap-up statement oh no no nono no no you didn't so much okay, I I loved it man I I just. 

    I don't know. Sorry, I was talking earlier, but the band's really become important to me. 

    Like, I really like this band a lot, man. Oh, that's amazing. It's fucking... 

    It's just, it's become... 


    [1:32:47] And this record, I think, made me realize it. Especially because when I first started listening, I didn't like it. 

    Right. Yeah. I took it into different parts. 

    I think part of that is also we're doing the week over week and it's a crash course, so it's really hard. 

    It's not a natural way to learn to like a band. Yeah. It's almost like, I don't want to say this in negative way, J.D., but it's almost like torture. 

    It's like programming. No, think about it. 

    Imagine it's like you're in. 


    [1:33:18] A German prison in 1939 and you're being told to agree to all this stuff. 

    And you're like, OK, all right, yeah, OK, I agree to it. Eventually, you start believing it. 

    I know that's a really poor example. My apologies if anybody's offended. 

    That's not what my intention was. My intention is to be like, it's very forceful. 

    And so that being said, it's not natural the way I'm liking this band. 

    But at the same time, the evolution, When I start listening to the record, then how much love I have for this band is just, it's a cool thing in and of itself. 

    Very, very cool. It's just so cool to step back. I don't know, sorry, I'm rambling, but. 

    No, not at all. No, I dig it. It's cool to step back and look at how much, how cool this band is. I concur, I concur. 

    So what are your MVP tracks for this record? What song will you take away? 


    [1:34:27] Drumroll... Hmm, I'm not quite sure. I'm gonna go, you know, I'm gonna go with the ender, the Dark Canuck. 

    I'm gonna go with that one. 

    It was a bit of a release for me to get to that song and hear it and hear it through. 

    And it also made me want to listen to the album again to run through it. 

    So this was a little bit of a saver for me. And, you know, the transition was wacky and there's been a couple songs I forget. I think the second or third album there was kind of a wackylittle bit of a different song that I chose. 

    I should go back and remember which one that was. But yeah, I love less produced, more hip is kind of just what I keep seeking. 

    I want that raw kind of flavor of the hip and I want, I just want to hear more of that. 

    I, overall, I mean, I really liked, there's a couple on here that were really strong, like Silver Jet totally has its place, but I'll go with the end one, the Dark Canuck. 

    All right, your mix is going to be pretty wild. Yeah, I think that's okay. 


    [1:35:41] Of course, I'll let you guys. Oh, go ahead. No, go ahead, man. 

    I was just going to say, can I just copy and paste the record? 

    Just drop this shit. I don't know, man. 

    I don't want to make a decision. Pete's playlist from every album of the entire catalog, folks. 

    You can find that on the album in Violet Byte. 

    Dude, it's a hard thing. All I will say is, and it would probably change, But just because I just pictured so much like seeing it live, like, use it up to use it up. 

    If that fucking song was played live, especially when again, when Gordon hits that octave. 

    Yes. Oh, my God, dude. 

    I just feel the injection of nitrous oxide for energy that must have gone into a crowd when he hit that second verse or whatever, whatever the party sings it. 


    [1:36:41] Fucking Christ Almighty, dude. 

    Sorry, just. I so hate myself for never getting to see this band live. 

    I got it. It's a huge I live my life. Not a lot of regrets, but that's one of them. 

    Hey, which is in part, very exciting to go to the JD. 

    Here's your plug. Oh, yeah. 

    Well, you'll get to see a facsimile of them. Yeah, simile. 

    Obviously, you know, tribute bands are, you know, your mileage may vary with tribute bands, but the tragically have a distinct place in this country. 

    And there is, you know, there are a lot of really great hip tribute bands out there. There are a lot. I think we've got, you know, one of the best though for our event. 

    And again, that's going to be Friday, September 1st, and tickets are $40. 

    And you get to watch the finale of this podcast go live. And then you get a hip concert, a 50 Mission concert, I should say. 

    We have a comedian. There's not alcohol there, is there? 

    There will be booze, yeah. Oh, I'm going to stay away from the beer, because if they play, if by chance this band plays Use It Up, and I'm three beers deep, I'm going to get the fucking 86,dude. 

    We need a sidebar conversation about that. I've had ideas too. I've had ideas too. 


    [1:38:07] Well, we're going to have a comedian that night also. 

    And I think maybe this part of the silent auction, I think maybe we need some sort of, this is so cheesy, but maybe we need some sort of, you know, gift basket from Portland and giftbasket from Malaga. 

    So maybe, you know, let's bring something, Let's bring something from the homelands. 

    Yeah, let's bring something from the homelands. I can't bring my own because it's gonna... 

    You could also fake it, you know. Yeah, I'll just fly it at the airport. 

    But man, that's gonna be such a fun event. 

    And as we're climbing out of winter, I know this isn't being broadcasted, pushed to the world in winter, but as we're climbing out of winter here in Portland, I'm really excited about theend of August happening. 

    What date's the event again, JD? September 1st, Friday, September 1st. September 1st, people. 

    I can't wait dude. Use it up. It's gonna be fucking great. Use it all up. 

    Can I just say that if anybody wants to talk gear, look for the guy with the glasses and the fake nose and the fake mustache. 


    [1:39:25] If anybody needs to come over and slug me in the arm, just warn me. 

    You know, if I dissed one of your songs, I'll take a hug instead. 

    Yeah, these guys have done a yeoman's duty here, you know, taking on this task, although for most of us, we're like, task? 

    I listen to, you know, a hip-hop record a week anyway. 

    But you know, the way you guys are doing this is really great, and I'm really, I'm just fucking amped that you're getting into it. So that's real cool. 

    Thanks, JD. It's a gift. It truly is a gift. It truly is a gift. 

    I've told you this before in private messages, but it's a gift. 

    So thanks, man. Thanks, Canada. Pleasure. Thanks, Tragically Hip. 

    Well, on that note, we'll bid you all adieu. 

    Anything you want to wrap up on, folks? I'm just looking for the next one. 

    We're going to jump into a whole nother album, Pete. You ready? 

    Can't wait. Are you ready? 


    [1:40:33] Alright guys, thanks so much. Talk to you next week. Thanks JD. 

    See you guys. Pick up your shit. 



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  • What did our car just change into?

    Transcript

    Track 1:

    [0:00] Welcome to getting hip to the hip. I'm JD. I'm here as always with Pete and. 


    [0:06] Tim How are you fellas doing this fine day? 


    Track 3:

    [0:10] Doing great doing great Just getting it going and excited to be here and see a couple of my favorite dudes over the interwebs. 


    Track 2:

    [0:19] I Am doing supercalifragilisticexpialidocious to fucking discuss this fucking record Oh, wow. 


    Track 3:

    [0:27] Oh, boy. 


    Track 2:

    [0:28] Oh, boy. 


    Track 3:

    [0:29] So... Fasten your seatbelts, folks. 


    Track 1:

    [0:31] Fasten your seatbelts, folks. 


    Track 2:

    [0:32] What does that mean? Spoons, plural. Spoons full of sugar. Not just fucking... Not just one. 


    Track 1:

    [0:39] The Disney references are just rolling out. 


    Track 3:

    [0:41] Jeez. 


    Track 1:

    [0:44] Well, we're here today to talk about the 2000 release, June 2000, the seventh studio record by seminal Canadian rock band The Tragically Hip. 

    Music at work. Before we go into our vaunted segment of song by song, let's just get a general sense of what you guys thought of this record. 

    Where you listened to it, what you were exposed to, how it formed over time. 

    What do you think there, Pete? 


    Track 2:

    [1:21] I'll be brief, because I want to really dive into the songs, too, but I will say, I listened to this record at work. 

    Well, I was at my computer. 

    Come on, Tim, did you want that one? Were you waiting to use that one? 


    Track 3:

    [1:42] No, it was your turn. It was your turn. 

    A lot of listeners right now are like, oh my god, we're out of here. 


    Track 2:

    [1:52] Listen to it in the car. The sound system in the car made it really pop. 

    But I will say, probably the best place to listen to it was on runs. It was just... 

    I love the record. I really, really enjoyed this record profusely. 

    So I'll say that. I'll leave it there. All right. 


    Track 1:

    [2:21] Mr. Leiden. 


    Track 3:

    [2:22] Yeah, so I listened to this. I had a bunch of headphone-based physical therapy the past week, and I pretty much had it on for all of that, which was very much focused movement and definitely could consider audio. 

    And it was it was pretty good. 

    It took me back to, I think, mostly to Live Between Us, like if we're gonna go apples to apples or apples and oranges throughout their discography thus far, for many reasons. 

    And there's some songs on here I really like a lot. There's a couple that I thought were pretty different, like definitely a step out than past albums. 

    And yeah, at one point I thought this might be my favorite so far in our work to get to this point. 

    I thought this might be one of my favorite albums so far, but I'm still questioning it. I'm still thinking that there might be another one out there in the future that I just I Give you know nine point five two or whatever. 

    Album Rating and Discussion on Critics' Opinions



    Track 1:

    [3:35] It might be Gotcha Yeah, this was rated relatively low by all music and what? 


    Track 3:

    [3:43] Big fucking surprise They're like the professor that doesn't give a is you know, yeah, yeah negative five out of five I I have a little bit of a vibe with that, but I understand sometimes there's a great piece of work out there that still doesn't get the accolades it deserves, and that happens so often. 


    Track 1:

    [4:06] Yeah. Well, shall we get into it? 


    Track 3:

    [4:10] Yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [4:12] What did they give it, by the way, J.D.? I'm curious. 


    Track 1:

    [4:14] Three out of five. 


    Track 3:

    [4:15] Three, right? Three out of five. 

    So just some quick research on the title that I found of the album, Music at Work. 

    So from what I read, it's poking fun at a rock station in Canada, 100.5 FM. Yeah. E-Zed Rock or Easy Rock, whichever. 


    Track 4:

    [4:38] You went with Zed first. You're so Canadian. Oh my God. So Canadian. 


    Track 3:

    [4:45] Music at Work was their tagline, you know. 

    It was like, imagine this kind of 80s looking logo in essence like a corporatized Van Halen Firebird Camaro looking Easy Rock 100.5 FM and underneath at music at work. 

    That makes sense. But I thought maybe, yeah, I thought maybe the hip tagging, you know, taking this tagline was perhaps their, I guess, you know, maybe even, I think it was their stab at back at clear channel. 

    I thought like Like, these guys, yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought these guys are still talking. 


    Track 2:

    [5:36] Was that a Clear Channel station? 


    Track 3:

    [5:38] Rock and roll. 


    Track 2:

    [5:39] I'm sure they were. 


    Track 3:

    [5:40] Dude. 


    Track 1:

    [5:41] It's a heavy format. 


    Track 3:

    [5:42] I didn't look it up, but if you look at everything about it, I'm sure it is. 


    Track 2:

    [5:48] And at that time, dude, nowadays it's like, it's not even a competition. 

    Like Clear Channel owns the Airwaves, but I remember at that time it was like, you were We were starting to realize that every station was a clear channel station. 


    Track 1:

    [6:02] Yeah. Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [6:04] Yeah. So, that was kind of some brief history on the album title. 

    The first song, you know, title track, album name. 

    The First Single from the Record



    Track 1:

    [6:40] You I think it's a, little bit of a, a That chives. 

    Yeah, it was the first single from the record too. So okay. Yeah, it dropped a couple weeks before the record came out. 


    Track 2:

    [7:33] Well, not to correct Tim, but I'm going to do it. Do it. It is not the title track. 

    Ah, yes. The name of the track is actually my music at work. 

    Yeah, interesting. And I didn't... 

    No, no, no. 


    Track 3:

    [7:54] I was really close, man. 


    Track 2:

    [7:56] You were close, too. 


    Track 3:

    [7:58] You know, okay. The influence of the... 

    The Groove and Tightness of the New Record



    Track 2:

    [8:07] I mean, if I picture myself as I have now, listen, have listened to the previous hip records, anticipating this new record coming out, hearing this first track on this new record and just like putting it on volume up, start my car, light my cigarette, open my Red Bull, whatever the fuck I was doing in the year 2000. 

    And just fucking wow. I mean, they must have just been like, fuck yes. 

    I mean, this song, it was, I wrote this down. This is one of the things I wrote down in the notes. The song was born in the pocket. 

    Like when you talk about when you're in the pocket, musically, I think we all know what that means. I'm sure most of the listeners know what it means. 

    But it's just, it's in the pocket. It's just the groove, the rhythm, the fucking instruments, everything is just fucking tight and it fits, gourd sounds fucking great. 

    It's a great build after the La La La with the soft guitar. 

    Oh God, I've got to eventually get there. 


    Track 3:

    [9:29] I'll just quickly add in there the La La La. 


    Track 2:

    [9:30] Johnny Cain? 


    Track 3:

    [9:31] Okay, go, go, go. 


    Track 2:

    [9:32] Go ahead. No, no. You go ahead. 


    Track 3:

    [9:35] I was going to fill in for you. The La La La part for this one, I mean that was new. We haven't had La La La's yet in soft. No, not really. Right. 


    Track 2:

    [9:42] No, no, yeah But but Johnny Johnny Faye. Yeah drummer. 

    Yeah Really just fucking builds it into where the song you know starts to go at that point and then there's a There's a Lord of the Rings reference in there. 

    I think I feel like it is I took it as what cuz he says middle of the earth. 

    Ah Which I'm always My record store that I grew up going to in down in California, now out of business, was called Middle Earth. 

    And it was a fucking great record store. This is the type of record store where dollars to fucking donuts, man. 

    If you were there in the 90s, they were like, if you went up to the front and asked this guy Larry for a recommendation, he would have fucking slipped you a hip record. 

    Hands down. I was just too scared to fucking go up to Larry cause he was cool. 

    Larry had a picture of David Bowie where David Bowie was smiling, not Larry. 


    Track 1:

    [10:47] Wow. 


    Track 2:

    [10:48] Like that goes to show you how cool fucking Larry was. 


    Track 3:

    [10:51] You know what? I can't tell you how many. 

    Stories I've heard about like interviews with artists who had that record store They went to growing up and how walking up to the clerk whoever was working was like the most intimidating thing Like you like you like so many artists would walk I've read it about it so many times Walking a record store with like kind of tail between your legs and you're afraid to purchase what you've picked For being ridiculed or anything, right? 

    It's just it was like the most I mean think about it back You know in the 80s or 70s or 90s like going to Tower Records or wherever you go and grabbing that Item and walking up to this like hipper than thou person Clerk and trying to make over just yeah Yeah, this was before that it was common where people had like, you know Sleeves of tattoos and like ear and nose piercings like you saw somebody up there at the front with a fucking a bar through the nose a two sleeves of tattoos, and green hair. 


    Track 2:

    [11:56] Everybody's got fucking green hair nowadays, right? And you're just like. 


    Track 1:

    [12:00] Makes me sick. 


    Track 2:

    [12:01] No, but you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, my nephew's got green hair for crying out loud. 

    But like, I don't give a shit, you know, I'm telling my nephew what I'm listening to, but if, you know, back in the 90s, I walked up to the counter and saw somebody like that, that I was like dude I am not bringing up anything that's on the radio right yeah that's so cool that's so cool that you had this this tragically hip frame of reference from back in the record store days I mean I completely don't have that I had a bumper sticker in college you know of my apartment complex neighbor so. 

    The Second Song: Messy and Incoherent



    Track 3:

    [19:00] Yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [19:00] Do you want to? I don't know. I mean, I'm ready to fucking blow up in there. 

    You know what I'm saying? Okay. The fucking the second song. 

    I mean, it's hard to top this second song. 

    I mean, it is when I first heard it. I loved how it faded in from the first track. 

    And then he just starts saying this is what the fuck is Tiger the Lion? 


    Track 1:

    [19:30] I don't. 


    Track 2:

    [19:30] I'm just saying the first time I heard it, right. And I did my research on it, which I kind of regret. I gotta stop looking at lyrics. Once I stopped looking at lyrics, these songs really open up for me. 


    Track 1:

    [19:41] You can't stop though. It's gorg, right? Like, you know? 


    Track 2:

    [19:45] No, but he eventually started listening to them and internalizing them, which is better for me than reading them. 

    Either way, this fucking song, it just opens up so messy and incoherent and I'm like, what the fuck? 

    I mean, again, putting myself in the position of a hit fan when they hear this for the first time. 

    They're like, is this gorgeous going off on his fucking, you know, he wrote some crazy poetry and he's just, you know, free-forming it right now. What's he doing? 

    You know, but the The instrumentation on it, it's so well thought out. 


    Track 4:

    [20:24] Right? It's... 


    Track 2:

    [20:26] I love how, because for me as a musician, my writing style is pretty incoherent. 

    A lot of people say, like, lyrics wise, my shit doesn't make sense, which is, you know, it's not like I'm going for it, but it's just, it is what it is. 

    But the John Cage quote? 


    Track 3:

    [20:45] Yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [20:46] Oh, fuck. I mean, I'm a huge John Cage, but just all about who that guy was as an individual who brought his brain to art and music. 

    There's a melodic drop down, the purpose is not unique. 

    I just, I don't know, dude, I did a little bit of research on the meaning of the song about it being like a reference to fighter pilots. Did you get that too, Tim? 


    Track 3:

    [21:21] Yep, yep, yep. Big time. There's been so many World War II references that I just, you know, I instantly went to that, which I have a emotional family connection to World War II, so that hits heavy for me. 


    Track 2:

    [21:36] Two-way radio, yeah. But, uh, this, line... 

    JD, I thought of you when I read this. 

    But not to get order from chaos. Tell you how to create simply wait to your life like, like, there's, there, there is no order. 

    Yeah, there's no other shoe that were, you know, and I don't know, dude, this fucking song is, I still can't fucking and unwrap it and make sense of it. It's just a fucking banger. Yeah. What a song. 

    Living in the Music: Appreciating Art without Analyzing Lyrics



    Track 3:

    [22:15] I mean, Pete, as a, maybe you can clarify a little bit for me, as a songwriter, you, when this one came on and you listened through it and you say that you, sometimes you don't want to research lyrics just so you can live in it in your head as much as possible, right? 

    Is that kind of your sentiment? Right? 


    Track 2:

    [22:34] I mean, I think, I think the lyrics, Because I think that what you, for me, this is me personally, what I tend to do is, is rather than physically listen to the song, which is what the medium is meant to do for listening, I'm reading what I'm listening to. 

    And so it starts to, I start to make judgment upon what I'm listening to based on what I'm reading. 

    Which is never like there's so many weird fucking lyrics in this fucking record And I'm sure we can talk about it till the cows come home Yeah But it did me it did more damage for me in the beginning because it was like I'm not fucking getting this I'm not getting this and then I just was like, okay I put the lyrics down and then I just started to listen to it incessantly. 

    Okay, this shit's fucking making sense. Okay. Got it and then not to Not to bury the lead, but I mean if you don't get the fucking Comfortably Numb, Rob Baker literally Channeling the fucking David Gilmour in this fucking song. 

    I mean What do you I mean, what are we doing here? 

    There's one drop where it doesn't it doesn't go down to the next chord that you just feel like it's like going to country, but it doesn't go there and it's just... 


    [24:01] Yeah, his guitar tone, everything about it. He's using the Strat on this. 


    [24:06] Fucking it's great song. Sorry. Yeah. Amazing song. 


    Track 3:

    [24:10] For me to go from music at work to this was like, whoa, this is, you know, if this is second gear for taking off in the car, and it's like, what did our car just change into? 

    Because the song is, Because the song is its own beast. 

    Man, me and my dad jokes, dad puns, tiger, the lion. 

    So I mean, this is the longest song on the album. 

    It's 5 and 1 1⁄2 minutes. And I love songs that can hit 5, 6, 7 minute mark, and you don't even know they're that long. 


    Track 1:

    [24:47] Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [24:48] Like sometimes you hear a song, and you're like, god damn, These guys just wanted this to be the longest song ever, and they succeeded. 

    But this one, it's very, no, it doesn't feel that long. 

    And I think, Pete, you touched on most of it. 

    But the themes, I guess I should say, I don't read the lyrics or look into the lyrics until I've listened to one of these albums in great length or many times. 

    So I try not to pay attention to the lyrics. If I'm listening to it in the car and I'm at a stop for too long, then I can actually hit the whatever on Spotify to make the lyrics pop up. 

    I'll check it out for a minute. But I try to live in my head for as long as possible, I think, kind of like you, Pete, to just get deep into the song. 


    [25:44] The John Cage references. I mean, there's so much in this song in both that theme and kind of World War II themes, but the kind of two big takeaways for me were this song is about challenging the listener and society and anyone to appreciate, like, nature, art in life, or just art, or like literature or whatever it might be. 

    And if you live your life without recognizing any art form, then you're like a fucking robot, you know? 

    That's kind of, that's what the song was about to me in that regard, the John Cage regard and all of that. 

    The his radio goes silent, you know that like I imagined this as like World War two airplane Pilot, you know the his engines destroyed And he's just falling from the sky, you know, like and stops working. 

    This is where my head my engine stops working You have this like last bit of life where you hear the wind the radio stops working You know, you're on your way down. That's kind of where I went with. 


    Track 1:

    [27:03] Whoa, that's heavy, man. 

    Introduction and Researching Band Members



    Track 3:

    [27:04] Yeah, that's kind of how it felt to me. Okay, so I did some research around who else is playing with this band. 

    Because we've talked about, at least the past album, I've been talking about, you know, who's that on backup singing blah blah blah blah blah. 

    Right. So with this, I guess I would have talked about this at the beginning, but with this song we have a guy named Chris Brown from Toronto on keys, right? 

    So he toured, He recorded and toured with the band with this album. 

    He came from a band or was in a band called, Bourbon Tabernacle Choir. Yep, you got it. And from the 80s and 90s, which I heard of that, man. 

    Yeah, which I didn't know an ounce about until I kind of did this research. 

    So finally, I was making some headway with this album to hear who else we have contributing, which is an obvious impact to me as a listener to hear kind of extra elements going on. 

    But this song, man, it could be its own album. 

    That's what I thought. Like this song, this song on a 7-inch on one side, like it's hand me that. I'll pay 20 bucks for it. Like let's go. It's fucking that good. 


    Track 1:

    [28:30] Yeah, I agree. 


    Track 3:

    [28:32] Lake Fever, the next one. This is where I was like, okay, maybe we're shifting gears into like this perfect love song or forlorn love or is this a song about loss or remembrance or you know what is this what is this going on there's amazing prose within this song like was the brief dude seriously i knew pete was just like i knew his heart was melting for this It was probably driving down, you know, here's Pete, everybody in Spain, in his awesome vehicle. 

    I don't even know what it is, and I don't want to know until I visit him someday, so no spoilers, J.D. 

    But here's Pete in his awesome vehicle driving down some coastal highway in fucking Spain. 

    This is a dude from the LBC, right? And this song comes on, and there's tears coming from Pete's face on this beautiful sunny day. 

    It's like, I, I, you know, I'm, I'm hearing this song during fucking physical therapy. Therapy just gone. 


    [29:42] Is this a wedding song or is it a funeral song or do I want this at my wake or do I play this for Amy on her next anniversary? 

    Like what the fuck is this emotional song going on in place three after my music at work and after Tiger the Lion we have this Lake Fever. 

    It's like what the hell so yeah it was this you know this this is that third gear song where i'm like okay, let's see let's see where this is gonna go what's this about is it oh yeah okay maybe it is about the cholera outbreak in toronto in 1834 oh fuck god damn it okay that's what it's about guess i'm I'm not playing at my anniversary. 

    No, not playing at next April 14th, honey. 


    Track 1:

    [30:38] But it's more than that because the protagonist is regaling his potential lover with that story. 

    Like the song isn't necessarily about like fever. It's like this couple are walking in the woods about to go, you know, have sex. 

    And he's so nervous that he's trying to like, you know, talk to this girl and he's telling her, well, there was this time in Toronto that there was a sewer back up and cholera got in the way and it went all the way up to Ottawa and near Kingston and it was terrible, many people died and she's just like, hurry, just hurry. 

    Just Coital Fury, you know, like, yeah, that wine, man. 


    Track 2:

    [31:26] Fuck, it's good. Dude, you know, I tell you, it's it's funny because I think it's just the Canadian. 

    I mean, last week, Tim and I both heard the rush in fireworks for last week's a record but you know I started to hear the first thing I heard and now I like don't hear it at all but the first thing I heard with this song was the percussion feeling very once again very Alanis, right wow but yeah put that all kind of behind it's kind of all in the past dude the glockenspiel which I think they're using and like the keyboard effect over when he says the the word courage is I'm just you're right Tim I'm driving down the fucking coast in the mountainous windy roads of Malaga Spain and just fucking crying with my wind blowing, my air blowing in the wind. 

    Cigarette out the window, the arm just like, Oh, just fucking loving this. 


    [32:42] We're going to get into it a little bit more, because I because there's a there's a couple of songs on this record. 

    And I remember I don't know what record it was, oh, it was, was Troll Dan House that I referred to as the Tragically Hips Xerope. 


    Track 1:

    [33:01] Yes. 


    Track 3:

    [33:02] Right, right. 


    Track 2:

    [33:05] But, do you know what this record is? 


    Track 1:

    [33:07] Yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [33:07] And it's funny because this record actually came out before the record I'm going to reference. And I'll tell you why. 


    Track 1:

    [33:14] All right, hit me. 


    Track 2:

    [33:15] This is fucking the Tragically Hips Yankee Hotel Foxtrot. 

    All of the fucking instrumentation on it, all the pianos, the echoey pianos, a lot of the guitars. 

    It's so fucking Wilco, man. 

    And so I started thinking to myself, well, you know, what, what the fuck did, what, you know, what do we, well, I'll get into it, I'll get into the next one. 


    Track 1:

    [33:44] We'll go. Give her. 


    Track 2:

    [33:46] Yeah, we're going to put it down. So this song, there's a line in there saying the United States of ricochet. 

    Something something happy in way. You know what I'm talking about, JD? 


    Track 1:

    [34:02] I don't know the lyric offhand though, sorry. 


    Track 2:

    [34:04] Great fucking line. And I'm getting very like, ashes of American flags like references to because I feel like I feel like Gord was really, um, getting, like, a lot of the shit that he focused on was the, God, the phrase, the term I'm trying to look for, like the plight of Canadians. Okay. 


    Track 3:

    [34:30] I got it. I got it here if you want me to read it. 


    Track 2:

    [34:33] Yeah, you want to read it, Tim? 


    Track 3:

    [34:35] Yeah, it's just United States of Ricochet from the Boardwalk to the Appian Way, which I... From the Boardwalk to the Appian Way, yeah, that's what I'm looking for. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [34:42] Diamond Files, Corporate Wraves, you know. 

    So he's, I feel like up until this point, he's made a lot of references to not just the indigenous folks up north, in terms of, you know, what he's talked about, and what I know he's eventually going to talk more about. 

    But I started to think like, God, what other band do I know that did that? 

    And like, that's kind of where Wilco went, you know, they had Uncle Tupelo and then AM, which was their first record. 

    And being there were kind of like a soft watered down version of, of that country vibe of Uncle Tupelo. 

    And then when they hit Yankee Hotel, it was like, Whoa, what the fuck is this? 

    This is not the same band. I remember hearing and I got the same vibe. 

    And so I, anyway, I Googled and started doing a little research, come to find out. So I read Jeff Tweedie's. 

    Memoir, which is a great book, you'll get through it in a day, man. It's called Let's Go So We Can Get Back. 

    And he references them on tour with Tragically Hip during the Another Roadside Attraction tour. 


    Track 1:

    [36:03] That's right. The third one. That's right. Yeah, yeah. 

    Wilco's Similarities to Other Bands and Songwriting Influences



    Track 2:

    [36:07] Yeah. And just this record came out a year before Yankee Hotel. 

    So I don't know what if they were trading demos back and forth or they were playing music together on Tour and but fuck man. 

    I mean so many similarities with this record and that record interest so many Do you feel you might catch my drift here? 


    Track 3:

    [36:32] But do you feel like? 

    When you hear other bands and are reminded of Wilco do you feel like Wilco has just borrowed so much from other bands or do you feel like I'm not gonna we're not going to turn this into a Wilco podcast by the way or do you feel like Wilco like really do you feel like Wilco just absolutely stand on their own as songwriters because I mean that's there that's like to me songwriting music you know what I mean yeah I know what you mean um it's a good question and I'll answer it as short as possible because I think This is something you could fucking have a garage with a, you know, half ounce and fucking go on forever. 


    Track 2:

    [37:17] But I think Jeff Tweedy is an amazing songwriter, and he'd probably be the first one to admit that they've taken so much from other people. 

    But I think that that band, especially when they went in, their record, two records after they did Yankee Hotel was a record called Sky Blue Sky. 

    When they really got into that, they were just like... 

    They were at the top of their fucking game. and they they they knew how to um, but it's It's hard to say man. 

    I mean It's a great question tim because I you could say the same for Tragically him who are they both big time? 


    Track 3:

    [38:05] Yeah, we've had so many references. 


    Track 2:

    [38:07] I don't think I don't think rob baker would he be the last person to say he wasn't fucking fucking playing the exact notes that Gilmore played on fucking comfortably on that guitar solo or on Tiger the Lion. 

    But it's not like you're saying, oh, you're stealing. It's like, it's an homage. 

    It's also working it into a song that is not that song is, you know, you do it all. 

    I've been writing a tune this week that is a is a indie rock tune adapted from the fucking Opening theme of the one of the Legend of Zelda songs. So cool. 

    And am I stealing from Koji Kondo? 

    Yes but It's in so I look at it more as an inspiration. 


    Track 3:

    [38:54] Well, I mean they I mean all all artists, you know are inspired from every direction I just I don't I don't want to get into it too deep. 


    Track 1:

    [39:01] I just went from no Writers I think good songwriters Make it almost Like a magician, you know, like a good songwriter. You don't see the sleight of hand. 

    You don't see the Palming you don't see it like they're absolute pros and they stand on their own But of course you can't help but be affected by what you are exposed to and what you enjoy, you know You can't help it. 


    Track 2:

    [39:34] Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and JD, you're right when you say that, because there was something that I put down, and I think I sent it to you, but I put this down about a month and a half ago, and there was a little guitar lick I put on there, and it was Nell. 

    I recorded it with a fucking jazzmaster. 

    It was Nell's Climb from fucking Wilco. 

    And I was like, I was so worried that it was so obvious, and I played it for Issa, my wife, And I played it for you and I think I was like was it too much and like no it's just it was just right It was perfect. 

    It was like kind of like a little but to me it was like My ears I literally stole the fucking Notes from him and like I took them and I said those are mine now. 

    Thank you very much You know, but like it's it's not easy to do man. I don't know JD. 


    Track 3:

    [40:25] Yes. I thought it I think they pulled it was just me JD that Pete Pete called up in the middle of my night and serenaded me with some guitar licks. 

    Damn, I'm not feeling as special now. 


    Track 2:

    [40:40] You'll get it Tim, you'll get it. 


    Track 3:

    [40:42] Hey, I thought putting down... 


    Track 1:

    [40:43] Putting down, yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [40:45] Yeah, so putting down, I felt like, I mean Pete commented on the, you know, the references and stories of this great continent and what we did to the Indigenous folks that were already here and the land grabs and you know that's hitting hard with this one and I feel like with Gord's themes and songwriting and his connotations of it all, this is that song for the album, I thought it was like big and heavy. 


    [41:22] I didn't really know what it was about my first handful of listens. 

    I couldn't really peg it until I did a little bit deeper diving into it. 

    But you know, it was my first few listens, it was kind of like a car ride sing-along song. 

    I felt, you know, it just felt familiar. It felt hip. 

    I didn't think like, this is the best song on the album, and I thought it held its place on the album for what it was. 

    So that's kind of where it ended with me. 

    Cool. The next one, Stay, on the other hand, I thought, man, this song, it's quiet, it's cute, it's cute. 

    I hadn't had that feeling before. Is it a thank you? 

    You know, the Bureau Chiefs and the Shrugging Spies, I thought this was at first when I first heard this? 

    I thought this is hilarious. Without researching, I thought this was like a thank you or something to the band's road crew, because I heard beer and cheese and shrugging spies, not bureau chiefs. 

    I mean, I was like, I was so incorrect with this song. You were a great crew. 

    You were a great you. You know, what is the storyline here? Is it about going to war and relationships or what? What is going on here? 


    Track 1:

    [42:48] Maybe a little of everything. 


    Track 3:

    [42:49] Yeah, maybe, but one, you know, after I did, after the leak, Sit down and kind of research what it's about. Hopefully Pete you have some more music based Comments about it, but one person I need to shout out here. 

    The the handle is The letter Y Salvatore, there was a song meanings.com. 


    [43:15] Reference from 2005 so this this is amazing it said one theory is the song is about Fox Mulder from the X-Files lines like there's no one up above us and with the Bureau Chiefs and the shrugging spies on the X-Files series Mulder is often working against the establishment as a sentiment in this song you've got no business in here brother Mulder is obsessed Pete from I'll go with UFO so lines like you see a light and then another this this song maybe it's about UFOs maybe it's about aliens I don't know this this was like this was a total head-scratcher for me not to say that I didn't like it but it was like what is this song about it wasn't beer and cheese I don't know it's not it's funny that you say that because one of the lines already is this song makes me want to sit in a pub and drink beer with my buddy. 

    I didn't say eat cheese, but like, that's the vibe I got. 

    Appreciating the musicianship on this record



    Track 2:

    [44:21] I mean, it's, um, there's, there's, okay. 

    I could say a lot. I really liked this song a lot. I loved it. 

    It. The riffing that Gore does with the vocals. 

    I think there's a bridge part of all things being balanced where John Fahy's drums... 

    I feel like every musician on this record, on this record, really shines. 

    Like everybody shines. Gord Sinclair, I feel like, has always been really top-notch. 

    That guy is fucking flawless. He's so underrated. Extremely underrated. 

    Uh, when it comes to, you know, I, I just because I'm, you know, playing wise, obviously Gordoni, I mean, there's nothing you can say about that, but playing wise, Paul Langlois, am I saying? Langlois. 


    Track 1:

    [45:25] Langlois. 


    Track 2:

    [45:27] Um, and Rob Baker. I've always kind of gone back. I'm starting to appreciate the differences between those guys because they're two Diametrically different guitar players. 

    I mean so different and and That happened on this album. 


    Track 3:

    [45:43] Don't you? 


    Track 2:

    [45:43] Oh, yeah more so really noticeable and I went down a bit of a rabbit hole this week I'll try not to go as deep as I went, but I told JD I was watching some live stuff and looking at Rob Baker's set up. 


    [46:05] Paul Ling Hua, he always plays that black Les Paul, but Rob Baker plays that Strat, which I fucking love. 

    And he's got something called Lace Sensors pickups in it, which not to get too technical for the listeners. 

    They were apparently these were like standard issue Fender pickups from 90 from 85 to like 96 and then they just became too expensive. 

    But they're really cool. The only shitty part is they look horrible on a guitar. 

    They don't look it doesn't make it look like a Strat anyway. 

    But he also plays a Paul Reed Smith, which I absolutely hate those guitars because, and JD I told you this, they're the Carlos Santana guitar and when they first became like available to the public so to speak or like mainstream people were able to buy them. 

    I remember walking into a guitar center in the 90s and seeing one up on the wall that was like, it was like $19,000 or $20,000 it was like ridiculous and just going, and now can buy a PRS for like $1,800, $2,000, but it just turned me off and I fucking hate it. 

    And if I'm Rob Baker, if I'm Rob, if you're listening, just don't ever play the fucking PRS, man. Get rid of it. Ditch it. 

    Rob Baker's guitar choices and preferences



    [47:30] The telly's cool, but that strat is where it's at, man. 


    [47:35] He does play Tele, and there's one other one I can't remember, but there's a great website, and I sadly have been on it more times than I can count. 

    Oh, and he plays an SG, and I play an SG too. 

    The website's called Equipboard.com, and it's got, they can pretty much look at any like, musician that's like, you know, quote, unquote, made it, so to speak, and find their rig, and they have the references, like, not just like, they don't just tell you, but they go, this is why we know that this is they're playing and they have a link to like a concert video, or a picture of them pointing out the gear, which is fucking cool. 


    Track 1:

    [48:24] It's really cool. Yeah. I love, neither of you guys mentioned it, but I love Gord's voice in this song. 

    He's doing a different sort of thing with his voice. It's lower register, softer I suppose, right? Because it is a soft song. 

    But it's down, it's, you know, sorry you can't see my hand, but it's down here, like belly button wise. 

    Uh is really quite quite uh effective on this song i agree with that jd when are you gonna fix your your belly button cam you're gonna get that going next next pod what's that my belly button cam Yeah, that took me a minute to get. Sorry. 

    All right, track number six. Track number 6 is The Bastard. 

    Appreciating the Percussion and Lyrical Insanity



    Track 2:

    [56:45] Wow. 

    This song starts with the they're not bongos, but there's some sort of kind of cool percussion. 


    Track 3:

    [56:54] They're there. Yeah, it's some kind of yeah, yeah, yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [56:59] There's a lot. 


    Track 3:

    [57:00] It's fun. I love when they bring those in. 


    Track 2:

    [57:02] Yeah, it's really cool. This song lyrically is fucking insane. 

    There's a word in there called crepuscular? 


    Track 1:

    [57:16] Yeah, what is that? Like, what does that even mean? 


    Track 2:

    [57:19] Yeah, it means, um, adjective of resembling or relating to twilight. 

    Yeah, I mean, gnarly shit and- Oh, gourd. 


    Track 1:

    [57:31] Oh, man. 


    Track 3:

    [57:36] Crepuscular rays, as the sun groomed the plane with crepuscular rays. 


    Track 2:

    [57:41] There's a line in there about the Purple Italians, like it's just... 


    Track 3:

    [57:47] Yeah, what is that referencing? I meant to look that up. I meant to look that up more and did not. 


    Track 2:

    [57:52] Some weird-ass lyrics. I noticed something too. 

    I love the line, the presaging pel-nel. Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [58:03] Yeah, the pre-stage pel-nel. 


    Track 1:

    [58:05] Pre-stage and pel-nel. 


    Track 3:

    [58:06] Yeah, that was my favorite. 


    Track 2:

    [58:09] It's um i noticed that in addition to to to um gordon sinclair being so in the fucking zone on this song like a like a like a hypnotized fucking i don't know dude he's just he's a fucking machine on this song song. 

    He, I watched a little bit of the Woodstock, Woodstock live show 99. 

    And in this song, during Grace 2, which is what they opened up with, Gord starts testing out some of these lyrics to this song during Grace 2. Bird's Eye View, right? 


    Track 1:

    [58:54] He talks about a bird's eye view of a bird's eye view. Yeah, yeah. 

    So cool that you got to see that. 


    Track 2:

    [59:01] Finished watching the whole thing. 


    Track 1:

    [59:02] And you recognize it. 


    Track 2:

    [59:04] Go ahead. 

    Frustration with lack of guitars in "Grace II"



    Track 1:

    [59:10] Yeah, I went down to Rabbit Hole the other day and was just watching a whole bunch. I started with that when I texted you guys and was like, yeah, I'm watching it. And for the beginning of Grace II, it's all drums and Gord's voice, which I don't mind, but I want to hear those guitars, you know? 

    And then suddenly it kicks in. 


    Track 3:

    [59:29] The purple people, the purple Italian people, I just found it was an Italian mass protest movement to call for the resignation of a prime minister, one of their prime ministers. 

    I feel like, I don't know, there must have been an earlier historical use of this because this is actually from 2009. So yeah, I'm curious. 

    Well, I forgot to tell you guys that Gord is actually reference a mystic he could see in the future yes I wouldn't be surprised yes guys if there's any more sorry there's any more insight on the purple people somebody somebody let us know Tim at getting hit So I got an email. 

    Mention of an email received regarding the purple people



    Track 1:

    [1:00:19] Yeah. Got to get our $80 worth. 


    Track 3:

    [1:00:25] I loved the pre-staging Pell-Mel. There's been a handful. 

    I wish I would have started a list of the gourdisms that would be so fun to learn and reference, because that was so good. When I first heard him sing that, it was like, you know. 


    Track 1:

    [1:00:42] What is pell-mell? 


    Track 3:

    [1:00:44] Well, it just means like, it just means like absurd craziness or warning, like presaging means like warning together. 

    Well, pell-mell means confusion or disorder or like a confused haste. 

    So it's, presaging is, you know, the warning of a disorderly moment or the warning of something about to go down. 

    That's kind of what I took. 


    Track 1:

    [1:01:16] That's dire, I love it. 


    Track 3:

    [1:01:19] Pre-saging, yeah, it's good. I mean, it's a loaded three words, basically. 

    I think Pete hit on a lot of it, but this song to me kind of got us back in the car and down the road again. It was like driving, rocking, feeling, which I totally dug. 

    The reference of all of this auger as well, you know, auger meaning like a fucking coring, drilling, coring into something and it's just this good rocking song. 


    Track 1:

    [1:01:55] It's different though. Auger spelled one way is coring, but there's another, like to auger is to portend a good or bad outcome. 


    Track 3:

    [1:02:08] Okay. 


    Track 1:

    [1:02:11] So it's like, to pretend. Yeah. And I believe that's what it, like, it's all this auger's well, like, but, right, like, auger a well could mean digging a hole. 

    But auger's well means pretending to, portending to good things are going to happen. 


    Track 3:

    [1:02:37] Okay, okay. I just thought there were some beautiful lyrics in here. 

    Also, I mean, all this augurs well or yeah, it's the The stanza never mind that pool in the mountains victory came and went on winged elephants I saw you all this augurs. Well, like you know, what? 

    What is what is going on there? But it I thought it was likely this loaded very story specific Specific song without researching it, you know, I heard the lyrics Billy Sunday shout in Philadelphia for Christ Like who really is this song about did you look up Billy Sunday? 


    Track 1:

    [1:03:15] Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [1:03:16] Yeah. I loved I loved reading about that This is like one of those that is one of those songs easy, right? 

    Yeah, you barely you barely touch into on the research side and Realize that you know Billy Sunday was baseball player. 


    Track 1:

    [1:03:33] I want to say a pitcher from like 1891. 


    Track 3:

    [1:03:36] Yeah, he was this total this this I guess amazing pitcher And he played for chicago and boston and philly and which During those times you played for a team like your whole career, you know, you stayed in the city You you you became a presence with the team and the community and all that stuff if you did but this this this fellow William Ashley or Billy Sunday Sunday was his family name he he was like a total drunk ladies man and he moved from team to team to team and I think this from what I read the cops and the ladies got to know him really well And then after playing in Philly, he was witnessed to on the street and ultimately became a traveling preacher. 


    [1:04:32] He went from standout pitcher to traveling preacher. 

    And while he was preaching, teams even were soliciting him to come back and pitch. And during those days, if you made like 400 bucks a month playing professional baseball, that was like, a great salary. Yeah, I'm sure. And at one point, I read the Pittsburgh Pirates offered him $2,000 a month, and he still declined, and he still continued to be a traveling preacher. 

    And his kind of schtick was talking about like the sex and alcohol lifestyle, from what I gathered, a lot about alcohol. 

    And it was so much that when towns heard he was coming, they would just close up the bars until he went out. 

    Literally, because he was so like, you know, he was his own prohibitionist. 

    So it's all the personality. 


    Track 2:

    [1:05:37] Yeah Thinking of that was the runner then I Don't know Like losses lay or some Forrest Gump. 


    Track 1:

    [1:05:45] No. 


    Track 2:

    [1:05:45] No, this is a reference from the hip Oh Terry Fox Harry Fox. 


    Track 1:

    [1:05:50] Very fine. 

    Yeah no he's a guy that ran across canada or something and he got close but he died he ran a marathon everyday he ran a marathon everyday on one leg yeah. 

    Oh okay yeah cuz he and he was he was like. 

    He was twenty one years old and he got cancer they removed his leg and he decided he was gonna run across canada and he started on the east coast he passed away thunder bay so he passed away about one third of the way through. 


    Track 3:

    [1:06:21] Wow. 


    Track 1:

    [1:06:22] Oh, it's fucking still, man. That's crazy. But it's like, every day his stump was like, like, euchred because he was wearing one of the, like, now, probably, somebody could do it on one of those, like, one of those spring legs, you know? 


    Track 3:

    [1:06:37] Yeah, yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [1:06:38] Yeah, but back in the day, he had, like, just an old school prosthetic leg, and it was crazy. Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [1:06:45] Pete, on this one, did you feel like, Did you ever get an inkling like, uh, perhaps this one was music first lyric second, or did you pick up at all on like the kind of background guitar riffing that was kind of over here? 

    And yeah, it was like, I don't know, it sounded a little after thought ish, that guitar riffing, just kind of carrying you through it all worked. 

    But this one, this one, I think compositionally. 

    You know, song, story, Billy Sunday reference aside, which is amazing to dive into and learn about. 

    I mean, I almost want to paint Billy Sunday or something with like on the pulpit with a baseball bat. That's cool. 

    A fifth of whiskey in the other hand or something. But anyways, I felt like compositionally, the song writing-wise fits in the album. 

    It just It just kind of fits in there, but also like, eh. 


    Track 1:

    [1:07:46] You weren't big on it. 


    Track 3:

    [1:07:49] No, it didn't grab me. It was like, OK, let's get back in the car. 

    We're back on the road. Let's get through the song. It's rocking. 

    Yeah, let's see what's next. 


    Track 2:

    [1:07:56] I think at first it was like that, but then the song really like, because instrumentally, it's so fucking rich. 

    Yeah, but like Gord, dude, again, Gord could match, pick the most complex composition that any composers have ever written. 

    And I'm sure there is some fucking book that Gord Downie wrote lyrics in, somewhere floating around or shoved in his fucking basement, that lyrics. 


    Track 3:

    [1:08:29] I would hope there's like, yeah, like 200. 


    Track 2:

    [1:08:32] Yeah, he could fit to that. I mean, they probably just, yeah. 

    So I feel you. I feel you. I feel you. Yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [1:08:40] So let's move into track number seven, The Completist. 


    Track 2:

    [1:08:44] I don't have a ton to say about this. I would say I really love this song. 

    Again, this is a fade in from the previous track. 

    Gord Sinclair again. fucking standout performance on this song. 

    The percussive chops of the band at this point in the record. 

    I mean, there are other songs that come up that you're just like, what the fuck? 

    But they're not a bar band anymore. I mean, I know they still, but I still think like, I don't know if it was Phantom Power before, a record or two before, you see that kind of bar band thing still rearing its head a little bit, Like, this is just so far from that. 

    These guys are fucking, they've really become superb musicians from the EP to now. 

    Like, they've honed their fucking craft. 

    And then the... 

    Musicians' dedication to improvement



    Track 1:

    [1:09:51] Road tested. 


    Track 2:

    [1:09:52] Yeah, I mean, it's the road, it's the recording, it's the composition. 

    But it's clear that like, every single musician in this band is like, I want to become better at my instrument. 

    And I'm going to do this. It wasn't just like they just played a bunch, kept doing it, like, they clearly actively tried to become better musicians, as they were continuing. 

    Like, I would put that to any of these fucking guys, if they're standing in front of me, and tell me, like, tell me I'm lying. 

    Like, tell me I'm full of shit. And they would say no. Like, Whether it's, I mean, fucking Kirk Hammett for fuck's sake was taking lessons from Steve Vai when he was already in Metallica. 

    Like, what does that tell you? You know, like, musicians want to become better and they, these guys clearly. 

    The only thing I was gonna say was the woman singing, I thought it was Kate Fenner from before, but it's not, right? 


    Track 1:

    [1:10:52] I don't know, I thought it was Kate Fenner. 


    Track 2:

    [1:10:54] Apparently it's, um, Julie. 

    Do I run Dorian, Julie Dorian, Dorian. 


    Track 1:

    [1:11:02] Oh, Julie Dorian. 


    Track 2:

    [1:11:03] Okay. 


    Track 1:

    [1:11:03] Yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense. 


    Track 2:

    [1:11:05] But I, and this is just, you know, I want to say this earlier, Tim, but I want to say that I did do a little research on Kate Fenner and her, um, her label that she's signed to is called UFO music. So that's awesome. 


    Track 1:

    [1:11:19] Oh, you must love that. 


    Track 2:

    [1:11:20] I do. 


    Track 3:

    [1:11:22] You just stole my thunder for Toronto 4. We'll get there. 


    Track 2:

    [1:11:28] I thought the lyrics in the song were beautiful. It was fucking, the beautiful fucking lyrics. Amazingly beautiful. 


    Track 1:

    [1:11:35] Yeah. 

    Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [1:11:37] Well, I'll have to look into Julie Dorian. I had not found her. 

    And we'll get to it, but we haven't talked much about Kate Fenner, nor who we mentioned earlier. 

    Chris Brown. The fellow on keys, Chris Brown. 

    Yeah, yeah, yeah. For me, this song to complete us, I felt like it was like at first it was kind of, OK, we're already back to a slowdown. 

    Like, it felt a little bit of a chug placement-wise in the album, it's a beautiful song. 

    You know, I just didn't, it kind of left me hanging a little bit. 

    Like, it didn't grab me and shake me around or rattle me around or anything like that. It felt like it could have been an ender. 

    Like, it felt like, is this the end of the album? I mean, this could be the end of an album, so that's good. 


    Track 1:

    [1:12:29] Well, it's the end of side one, if you're thinking. Oh, maybe. LPs. 


    Track 3:

    [1:12:36] Yeah, yeah, okay, okay. 


    Track 1:

    [1:12:37] And that would make sense with our next song too, Freak Turbulence, opening side two with a banger, right? 


    Track 3:

    [1:12:44] Yeah, big time. I mean, this is like we're alive again. We're back in the driver's seat or the passenger's seat. Like we have this backup singing again. 

    I think this was Kate Fenner at this time. I'm not sure. 

    Between the two. I don't know enough of Julie's voice to distinguish between the two. 


    Track 1:

    [1:13:06] There are definitely people out there that will tell us for sure. 


    Track 3:

    [1:13:10] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I'm gonna look it up because I think I got Kate Fenner down. I mean, yes, yeah, yeah. So back to the song though, there's a comedy factor here, am I wrong? 

    Like, this is so much about Gord being afraid to fly or not liking flying or, you know? 

    Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's all this talk about. 

    I don't know, it feels lighter and more fun than usual. 


    Track 1:

    [1:13:39] Like, did the captain just say this? Like, did the captain just say, like? 


    Track 3:

    [1:13:45] Well, we'll land in less than 10 minutes. Or he says, or unless. 

    Did he say unless or less? Yeah, he's afraid. 

    You know, I think this is the song that guys. 

    Were had to fly back to Canada from the US because originally this album Was to be recorded on a moving locomotive train. 


    Track 1:

    [1:14:11] They talked about doing that. Yes I don't know how that would have ever happened. 


    Track 3:

    [1:14:15] No shit. What a fucking cool idea I mean imagine that Pete moving locomotive with all the sounds and shakes and rattles I mean maybe maybe for a song but a whole album yeah with some serious that was some serious weed smoking yeah I'm up with that idea you know we should do guys we should fly back down to Memphis take the train take the train to LA and record the home anyways this this is a this was kind of a fun song it was a little more jovial I dug it there's a There's a weird, PeepeePie caught this, there's some weird guitar feedback, like the last 10 seconds or so, which made the song feel kind of ominous, or maybe the Freak Turbulence was like the plane going down, I don't know. 

    It was funny in that regard, it was like a total head-scratcher, but this one I kind of dug. 


    Track 2:

    [1:15:15] Oh, I dug this one, man, there's a line in there that really stuck with me, it's Satan Holding back hands, our nose and our chin. 


    Track 3:

    [1:15:22] Yeah, yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [1:15:24] I love that. There's a really, I think, the mix, there was a lot of moments where I wrote down, this is probably the first time I've said it, but it's written on a ton of songs, the mix on this song, how they mix this song with the instruments, like the levels of all the instruments, it's just so, it really, you know, it makes the fucking song. 

    It makes this song so fucking cool the vocals build, Yeah, I really, you know, I'll rather than to, I'll save my, you know, I'll yield my time only because I have some, some hefty shit to say about some stuff coming up. 

    But I, this song made me run, like when this song came on and I was going on some runs, I definitely put it into a higher gear with this song. 

    I loved it. I loved it. Yeah. 


    Track 3:

    [1:16:20] Yeah. Yeah. Especially after the completed, you know, transitioning into this one. 

    It's like, yes, OK, here we go again. This is definitely the if it's side two, it definitely is the the side one. Get us going again. 

    "Sharks" - a monotonous but intriguing song



    [1:16:36] Sharks, can I go? Sharks. Yeah. This one kind of lazes along for me. 

    It's got a few interesting bridges, but it's kind of monotonous, but not not. 

    I'm not saying that in a negative way. It's almost like, it's almost got this head down, shoegazy kind of feel, you know? 

    Then at the three minute mark, there's this like heavy tom kind of bass kind of transition in there. 

    It's the bass guitar is like kind of all over the neck for just a brief second, but you know, it's one of, the, this song is, it has what I enjoyed because they they're starting to do this more because they're all just accelerating as musicians is that it has like well over a minute of music the last portion of it is just like great music carrying you through rather than singing until like the last seconds or giving like seven seconds at the end or what have you so it's. 


    [1:17:42] It was kind of a fun song in that way. It just felt different than the rest, but also worked, you know, positively. 


    Track 2:

    [1:17:52] I love, this is another fade in from the previous track, which I love, that they're doing that, making it very concept-y. 

    I love the line in there about the Mariana's Trench. That's just fucking cool. 

    It's such a, it's always been a fascination of mine, probably since I saw fucking, what was the name of that movie? Was that Harris? I don't know. 

    I thought it was a James Cameron movie for Christ's sake, it was huge. The Abyss. 

    The Abyss. Oh, The Abyss. The Abyss was in Maria's Trench. 


    Track 1:

    [1:18:29] Right, right, right, right. 


    Track 2:

    [1:18:32] But yeah, I mean, the big standout for me here is Rob Baker's guitar is just fucking insanity. 

    He does these really cool arpeggios in the song. 

    And the coolest thing for me was, I was like, what's that fucking effect on this guitar? And I was like, I wrote this down early on, I was like, he's got a, like a delay on the guitar, but not a delay. So it's going bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. 

    It's so, the delay time is so small that you can't really hear it like a repetitive delay. 

    It's just, when you put it down almost to zero, it just has this cool, and then I look on no shit by the time I found that website and he's got a Line 6 DL4 delay pedal that no doubt he was using on this fucking song. 

    It just made me feel cool because I was like, my ears still work after all these years. But I fucking love it. 

    If I didn't, I didn't think there was a song that could rival Tiger the Lion and I still don't think it beats it but it's pretty up there and that's fucking Toronto 4. 

    An analysis of the opening guitar arpeggios



    Track 1:

    [1:26:42] Talk to me. Talk to me. 


    Track 2:

    [1:26:44] I mean, the way it opens with the, like, the record static. 

    Yep. Again, Rob Baker's doing these weird arpeggios, like he, like, it's kind of like a falling guitar, like he goes from a, like a, it's a D chord or whatever the hell, the octave, than the chord, then the seventh, then the diminished. Makes it feel really sad. 

    It's just, or like, kind of sad and mysterious, and it's floating. 

    It's like all the echo-y shit that there's, I don't know if it's Kate Fenner on this. It is. 

    It is? Okay. 


    Track 3:

    [1:27:26] Yeah. 


    Track 2:

    [1:27:27] Yeah. The way that the, I don't know if it's like he's using mallets or what, but Johnny Fay is like coming in with the cymbals with these really soft mallets that like kind of give it like a gong sound to make it really super dramatic but the songs it's fucking awesome I mean I was like what it was weird because this was a song that early on I would get through the first nine tracks because I was doing like shorter runs when I would take it out and I didn't get to like Toronto for and then the first time I heard it I was like what in the fuck the surf tone on guitar is just... 

    It's a cool jam dude. 

    It's cool as fuck. A lot of Pink Floyd, I feel, influence on there. 


    Track 3:

    [1:28:18] I agree with all that. I felt like the percussions on this, the drums on this one, had sort of this metronome, just more of a... I don't know. 


    Track 2:

    [1:28:28] You do the panning on the left to right? 


    Track 3:

    [1:28:31] Yeah, like the pace of the percussion really, to me, held the song like all the way through and was perfect. 

    I mean, I often hone in on drum stuff like you do guitar and I felt like that was just, I don't know, this song is, it starts slow, it's emotional, it kind of feels like apologetic you know also feels like i don't know familiar maybe it's like the mention of Vesuvius as a metaphor for like family and stresses and breakups and i don't know the The song was just, it's pretty jam packed. I didn't. 

    Look big into the background on lyrics or story or any of that, you know, I just questioned, which I said to JD like a week ago, I was like, why the hell Toronto four? Are there three other Toronto songs? 

    Or what is what is that about? 


    Track 1:

    [1:29:29] So if anybody knows, my only guess is, like my, as far as just guesswork, is might be, it might have been the fourth run, you know, it might have been the fourth take, like it's Sometimes you use the studio parlance to come up with the title of a song that you can't quite name. 


    Track 3:

    [1:29:49] Yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [1:29:50] Well, this is a great, it's a great song, and you're right, you nailed it on the head when you talk about family. Yeah, yeah. It's definitely familial. 

    It's, you know, it's about the matriarch of his family, his grandmother, holding things up. 

    And that what are the first the first lyrics are? Absolutely. 

    They slay me and I can't recall them at the moment. 


    Track 3:

    [1:30:17] You know, you were the rock plug for us all. Did you know you were the conduit of Vesuvius? 

    You were far more unifying than, you know, I'm not a judge of suitable, but you almost had it all. 

    I mean, if that's about his grandma being the what a tribute, the rock plug for their family. 

    I mean rock plug is definitely a volcanic reference of you know a rock holding the mountain together before the magma just blows it apart so it's right fucking cool pretty pretty yeah I mean it's this this one maybe has the simplest lyrics that we've seen in a while. 


    [1:30:59] It's it's a beautiful song. So Kate Fenner on this one just to touch on her because I Think we've heard her before although. 

    I only found that she To recorded and toured for this album, but man, she's she's got this How do you describe her voice? 

    I think it's just gorgeous. I think it's yeah, it's It's just, it's, it's, it's lovely. 

    I, she, she, somebody described her as less, a lusty alternative to a Joni Mitchell ish sound. 

    Like all of that is, is true. So she's got her own solo stuff. 

    She's got, as Pete mentioned, UFO Records is her label. She's got this new album out that I touched on briefly over the weekend. 

    It's it's pretty she's got a beautiful voice like if she ever tours and we get a chance to just Go and any of us hear her perform. 

    I'm sure it would be worth it. She's got a dreamy voice So yeah, great great addition to me, too I don't know if you saw this tour JD, but what she did she yeah, do you recall her on stage or yeah? 


    Track 1:

    [1:32:09] Because it was it was strange because both Chris Brown and her were on stage with them the whole time and that was It was just it was sort of a strange look because up until that point It had been the five of the month's age. 


    Track 3:

    [1:32:20] Mm-hmm. 


    Track 1:

    [1:32:20] That was it. And so this you know, it changed the dynamic for sure and I'll be the first to tell you that when this record dropped I Liked it But I didn't love it. 

    But now 20 years later. Yeah, I fucking love this record Yeah, I can listen to this record at any time like yeah, yeah top to bottom. Okay, okay, Now let's go toward the bottom and talk about Wild Mountain Honey, dude. 


    Track 3:

    [1:32:52] I love this one. So I'm taking I'm taking on this one. 

    Mr Okay, you can you can fill in do it Yeah, like this this to me I heard Pink Floyd I heard Jerry Garcia of guitar effects Like I I heard like fish. 

    I don't know like this song to me. 

    They even the the title is is different, like this one was just a little bit different there. You know, it's the drums are soft, but they can sound kind of angry. 

    This is one of the songs on the album, you know, the first time listening it through. 

    Or I thought, OK, I need to find this one live and check it out because I'm sure it gets played harder and louder, maybe faster. 


    [1:33:43] There's just really good chord changing and bridges and guitar riffs and it feels a little bit patched or contrived at the end you know I was hoping for like a big finish the first time I heard this one because it really grabbed me it made it just this to me was like hip fans who have seen the band play live a a bunch. 

    Probably love this one live. You know, this one just, it hit some marks for me with going, with going after, like, followers of other bands who I knew probably in the same summer saw Grateful Dead play it or saw Phish play and saw the Tragically Hit play. 

    Like a lot of, you know, A lot of times when I experience bands playing live over the course of a summer, it kind of, you know, dictates that summer. 

    Like, you think back to that summer and you're like, oh, that's when I went to X Festival or that's when I saw 8Bandplay a couple times. 

    The Papa Roach show. Yeah, like that's, yeah, definitely the Papa Roach show. 

    But no, this one was, This kind of centered me back into the seat of the Tragically Hip. I really dug it. I ended up listening to it a handful of times by itself. 


    Track 1:

    [1:35:08] Oh wow! Cool. 


    Track 3:

    [1:35:11] Probably not a single though, right? 


    Track 1:

    [1:35:13] Not a single, nope. 


    Track 3:

    [1:35:14] Yeah, every once in a while they have a song that's not a single that's a little bit off character that I dig and this is one of those. 

    Rhythms and Unique Drum Hits in "Wild Mountain Honey"



    Track 2:

    [1:35:23] I thought that I mean the song it's funny ironically it starts out like wild mountain honey it begins like the name does Soft like wild mountain honey, and it creeps up on you like a whiskey, and it fucking destroys. 

    Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, I think It's funny because I remember looking for the lyrics online and realized there's a Steve Miller song called why I'm not many as well But when I saw the title of this, I thought of the Peach Boys song, Wild Honey, which neither of those examples are even close to this song. 

    But what I got from it was, I fucking love the rhythms in this fucking, the drums in the rhythms. 

    The drum hits in this fucking song are so cool and they're so unique and they don't sound like another band. 

    Like there's some songs that, like I mentioned, some Wilco stuff earlier, there's other songs from other hip records where it's like they're doing a drum hit or a drum fill and you're like, yeah, that's the same drum fill that this band did on this song and that's been, this is completely fucking different. 

    And it's so fucking cool. So unique, the rhythms in the song. 


    [1:36:43] There's a weird keyboard or flute effect in the background going down, it was really faint and hard to pick up. 

    I'm pretty sure it was a keyboard, but it could have been some sort of setting, but I love the line, I don't want to put another thought in my head, I just thought that was so fucking cool towards the end. 

    And then the song, the solo starts before, but the part at about 3 minutes 30 seconds of the guitar soloer. 

    Just, I don't know, dude. 

    I hope I run into him. 


    Track 3:

    [1:37:18] That carries it to the end, right? 


    Track 2:

    [1:37:22] It does. Yeah. I want to run into Rob Baker at a 7-Eleven or something. 

    Him buying a Slurpee and me already up front and being like, hey, man, let me get this guy's Slurpee and I'll pay for it or something. 

    Just be like, alright, man. 


    Track 1:

    [1:37:41] What a gentleman you are. 


    Track 2:

    [1:37:42] I want to be that guy. 

    It's weird that I did not expect to where I'm at so far in the discography of this band for him to slowly become one of my almost favored guitar players. 

    And this guy that I never knew before. 

    I fucking love his fucking guitar playing, dude. It's fucking awesome. 


    Track 1:

    [1:38:09] Yeah, he's really good. 


    Track 3:

    [1:38:11] That's an amazing gift for you, bro. What's that? 

    So that's an amazing gift for you to have this discovery of a new influence. 


    Track 2:

    [1:38:19] Totally, absolutely Tim, absolutely. 


    Track 3:

    [1:38:22] So Train Overnight, the next one, I think I'll backtrack, I think this is the one that was supposed to be the influence, the idea of recording from a train across the south. 


    Track 1:

    [1:38:33] It references it anyway. 


    Track 3:

    [1:38:34] Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the story was they showed up to go do this and I don't know where, I would guess Memphis or somewhere down there, but the train was out of commission and the guy who owned the train was like, sorry, it's done. 

    It's never going to hit the rails again. 

    So that whole idea was was Kbosh. I forgot I had these these notes down here, but there's, you know, this great drum startup. 

    "Train Overnight" - Tough to Crack, but Great Rhythm



    [1:39:02] There's this kind of perfect bass coming in. 

    I don't know the guitars were following each other like really well rather than lead and rhythm like I felt like they were more kind of in sync. 


    Track 2:

    [1:39:17] Playing off each other very well. 


    Track 3:

    [1:39:19] Yeah yeah this this one overall was like a little bit more tough for me to crack aside from those kind of basic takeaways but I don't know What did you think of this one, Pete? 


    Track 2:

    [1:39:33] I loved it. I don't have a ton to say about it, but I will say that, again, great rhythm on the drums. It's just really unique. 

    There's a really cool key change that happens in there with the guitars. 

    And then I don't know, I can't remember where in the song, but there's a part where they They bring it down and it gets really soft and Sinclair's bass just, you know, it puts the baby to sleep, dude. 

    Just fucking puts the baby to sleep. I loved it. 

    If yeah, I don't have too much to say too much more to say about this unless you do Tim I was gonna kind of kick into the bear Yeah, go for it This the opening of the song is Wilco it's or Wilco Got how to open their fucking future songs based on this one. 

    I mean, it's just Yeah, it's so The keyboards, after there's a line more capable than anything, there's this oscillating keyboard effect that's over in the left side of the ear, the way they mixed it. 


    [1:40:56] The overall instrumentation and the arrangements on this song, it's a pretty simple song. 

    It's not like anything fucking crazy, but it's just an example of how good the fucking musicians are at this point because they can take a simple ass fucking song and make it sound so cool by everything they're doing in it. 

    I don't know, maybe some of that has to do with production too, but just really good. 


    Track 1:

    [1:41:25] Yeah, this is my second time working with Steve Berlin. So that's got to, like, I don't know because I've never been, well, I have been in a studio, but like, I don't know about working with a producer two times in a row, but I'm going to guess there's benefit there, right? 

    You start to learn some shorthand, you know what you can get away with, you sort of know what they're looking for sonically. 


    Track 2:

    [1:41:50] Well, if it's a good experience, yeah. If it's a good experience, yeah. Yeah, I would imagine if it's not, then it makes it doubly as hard, but yeah. 


    Track 1:

    [1:42:02] How about you Tim the bear? 


    Track 3:

    [1:42:05] I Mean if any of us win the lottery anytime soon We should make a movie out of the song because this one, you know, if you Musically, I don't have a whole lot on it. 

    I just thought it was well composed but the story here Tell us about the story. 

    Yeah, so it's this couple that went and camped on Algonquin Park. 

    Algonquin Park. Algonquin Park, yeah, which is, you know, this has this island where a bear happened to winter. 

    And so this couple comes along and, you know, springtime the bear wakes up and he's like, sweet, I've got, you know, food for the next get-me-into-summer. 


    [1:42:46] And that's what happens. I think that's where the line, I was first attracted by your scent, your heart must be a caramelized onion. 

    Oh, dude, I loved that. I heard your heart must be a caramelized onion. 

    And as a guy who really likes food and my wife says doesn't cook enough, but man, just your, I just imagine this bear just like so happy to have these humans to feast on. 

    It's just like, there's, I don't know, there's this triumph for nature. 

    Yeah. You know, there's this, just this feeling with this, it's all over for you and, and what's his name? 

    You know, the bear is clearly just stalked and ate this couple. 

    And then like, apparently the, when they tried to come maybe rescue the couple or something, the bear was just like standoffish and super protective of his his prizes of this poor couple what a fucking tragic awesome, beautiful song. I mean, can you imagine? 

    Hiking with your significant other and like, hey, let's swim out to that island and camp there. Oh my god. Wow. Let's make a movie out of this one. That's where I went. 


    Track 1:

    [1:44:03] That's a great idea. 

    All right, we wrap up the record with As I Wind Down the Pines. 

    A Beautiful Ender: Acoustic Guitars and Piano



    Track 3:

    [1:44:12] It's kind of a beautiful ender, you know? It's got really nice acoustic guitars, backup vocals, piano. 

    It's like, is it a love song? I'm not so sure. 

    But as far as an ender, this one just closed the book for me. 

    And like, maybe I might have had this feeling with Phantom power to where I was like, okay, let's let's get to the next album. 

    This this did it for me, too. So I thought this was a good closure to the track. 


    Track 1:

    [1:44:47] That's what you look for in a record, like like in a sense, you're looking for a closer that'll lead you to the next morsel. Is that often times? 


    Track 3:

    [1:44:56] Yeah. I mean, if I'm if you know it, A lot of this experience has hearkened me back to like... 

    Listening to the music in the 80s and the 90s because you know we heard shit on the radio and we bought albums and we listened to albums. 

    I mean I remember like playing in one of the houses I lived in in my 20s, four of us, and I remember buying CDs and making everyone listen to them over and over and over because I wasn't walking around with headphones on and you know so that in that essence, it was more like a score of an experience from start to finish. 

    And if an album left me hanging, either in a bad way, like, ugh, or left me hanging in a, man, I can't believe this just came out yesterday, and I just, I've listened to it 13 times, and I have to wait two years for the next one to happen. 

    Like, these were the feelings of me listening to albums, which I've been able to relive again, going album by album through their discography. 

    So I am looking for that, is a long answer to your question. I am looking for that. 


    [1:46:07] We've talked about how lots of these songs in here have been singles or standalones or place fillers or what have you, but yeah, I'm looking for that for sure. 

    So this one was, like I said, a beautiful ender. That was about what I took. 

    I knew though that Pete was like, there was at least a couple tears coming down his cheeks when he listened to this. 


    Track 2:

    [1:46:35] This was a tough one, man. I mean, I loved it. It was a great ender, of course. 

    I really like the way the piano and the guitar is coming together and just that it's super simple and, you know, sort of stripped down. There is a siren. 

    At that comes in, in the very beginning of the song. Did anybody catch that? 


    Track 3:

    [1:47:01] Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. I remember that. It's really cool. 


    Track 2:

    [1:47:06] But you know, I really liked the song. I thought it was a great closer. 

    For me, I don't look for this on a record. I don't look for something to wrap it up and put a bow on it. 

    If a record, because there were so many records that I bought when I was younger, where there was just like three or four songs that I really liked on the record, I'd play the shit out of them, and then I'd listen to the whole record and get into the rest of it, but it was those three or four songs that I really loved, and that would make me buy the next record. 

    But when I got older and started to appreciate albums, I think it was probably when I got into The Beatles at a certain age, to appreciate what those guys were doing with albums and just listening to the hits. 

    Then I started to get more into the concept of an album and listening to it from start to finish. 

    But, you know, overall, I give this, you know, I get this record, you know, you know, and I don't know, JD might get this reference. 

    I'm pretty sure Tim would get this reference. 

    I give this this album 4.5 out of 5 cans of ravioli. You know, um... 

    Rating the Episode: Ricky's Ravioli Mishap



    [1:48:27] I should have said 8.5 out of 9 because in the episode Ricky's like, 9 cans of ravioli, Ricky? 

    Wrapping up the episode with an MVP track discussion



    Track 1:

    [1:48:41] Well, well that wraps up music at work. 

    What we do at the end of every episode though is we We forced you to pick an MVP track, a track that you're going to put on your playlist that we'll distribute at the end of this podcast. 

    And I'm curious what this is going to be, guys. Really fucking curious. 


    Track 2:

    [1:49:05] Can we do an experiment? Can we do an experiment? 

    You're going to pick each other's? No, Tim and I are going to say it at the exact same time, but it's going to be, are we doing 1 2 3 or 1 2 3 then go? 

    What are we doing? 1 2 3 then go. 


    Track 1:

    [1:49:18] 1 2 3 then go, okay? 


    Track 2:

    [1:49:23] We'll say it at the same time, alright Tim? 


    Track 3:

    [1:49:25] So after 3? 


    Track 2:

    [1:49:28] Yes, 1 2 3 then go, if you're playing Rochambeau, you know? 


    Track 1:

    [1:49:36] Yeah, let's do it. 


    Track 2:

    [1:49:37] Alright, you count it off, JD. 


    Track 3:

    [1:49:40] 1 2 3... Tiger the Lion! 


    Track 1:

    [1:49:43] Wow, two records in a row that you picked the same song. 


    Track 3:

    [1:49:45] Well, can I just say, this one definitely is the standout. 

    I mean, it's fucking cool. 

    Just the slow, trippy start and then the buildup. 

    It's got a lot to it. It would be my favorite, too. 

    I will say, it's a hard second with Wild Mountain Honey. I just like I said, I like I like I like it when they step out a little bit and do something a little bit different I feel like they did with that one, but dude. 

    Wrapping Up the Episode with Exciting Announcement



    Track 2:

    [1:50:22] Cool. 


    Track 1:

    [1:50:22] Yeah, Tiger the lion Well folks That yeah, that puts a bow on this episode of getting hip to the hip. 

    I would be remiss to Remind you though that we've got a big party coming up at the end of the summer September 1st Friday September 1st. 

    It's at the rec room in Toronto and I I Don't know if you like long slice beer you're gonna love it there and we'll be recording our last episode live with a Tragically hip cover band and a comedian and we're gonna have a fucking whale of a time tickets are on sale at this point, please Buy them that would be cool and come and see us and hang out with us Listen to great music with us and have some fun with us. 


    Track 3:

    [1:51:14] We're all gonna be there. Yeah We're traveling for this. 

    We're raising money for an amazing cause and it's it's gonna be good Taking my car over on a boat Sit in my my my vehicle listen my premium We'll give you a break Pete and put you in the back and I'll drive if you want. 


    Track 2:

    [1:51:42] That's cool. 


    Track 1:

    [1:51:45] Well guys we'll talk to you again next week. 


    Track 3:

    [1:51:47] That was good, thanks J.D., thanks Pete. 


    Track 2:

    [1:51:49] Thanks guys. 


    Track 4:

    [1:51:50] Pick up your shit! All right. Whew, we're good. 



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  • Talking with Pete Van Dyk

    Ready to decode the legacy of The Tragically Hip and the enduring impact they've had on Canadian music and culture? Promise us your ears and we'll share an exciting exploration of the band's influence, creativity, and unique place in the hearts of their fans. Today, we're joined by the Emcee of Longslice Presents: Getting Hip to the Hip - An Evening for the Downie Wenjack Fund, Delhi stand-up, Pete Van Dyk. Today he plays the host on his podcast, "Live from the Dutch Hall." And he's invited jD, Pete, & Tim along for the ride. Together we reflect on our personal connections to The Hip, discuss the band's Canadian roots, and consider why their sound may not have resonated as widely beyond Canada's borders.

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    Transcript

    0:00:10 - Speaker 2

    Long Slice Brewery presents Getting Hip to the Hip. 


    0:00:27 - Speaker 3

    Hey, it's JD here and I am sans Pete and Tim at the moment, but they'll be joining us in just a few minutes. I am here to set up what is a new series within Getting Hip to the Hip. It's called Getting to Know Your MC And there will be a second installment of this called Getting to Know Your Band, And basically these episodes are designed to allow you to get inside of Long Slice Presents Getting Hip to the Hip an evening for the Downy Wend Jack Fund before that event even occurs. That way, when you buy your tickets and you can buy them at GettingHipToTheHipcom and clicking on the ticket button From there it's easy peasy you just have to show up at the event. So there's that. 


    I would say that Pete van Dijk is a great stand-up comedian and he will be emceeing us. He's also a podcaster, hosting a show called Live from the Dutch Hall, And just recently he had Pete and Tim and myself on as guests And he graciously gave us a copy of the tape. He had it flown in live from Delhi and I'm going to put it up on our feed. It's going to be well. It's going to come up to you in just a second, So why don't I stop Blither Blathering and we'll get to Live from the Dutch Hall with Pete van Dijk and our friends Pete and Tim, as we discuss the podcast on Live from the Dutch Hall. 


    0:02:41 - Speaker 4

    Hey, hey, hey, hey. Welcome everybody to the Dutch Hall. We're coming to you live from the Pool Shed in Pine Grove, ontario, for episode 445, believe it or not. 445 times we have done this stupid thing, and this time we have roped two people from different parts of the planet and one person who was from here but had to come back here on a long journey today. That's right, and I'm very happy to have them in. All first timers, all Dutch Hall virgins, and they're here to promote a podcast, which is a really interesting concept, especially for a guy like me from Southern Ontario. 


    The hip is really was really a band that was pivotal, pivotal, pivotal Is that right? That's right. Pivotal to a kid like me. It came up at the right time. They were like hitting it the same time that I was getting in to be in the most awesomeest part of my life, you know, and these guys, two of these fellas have no such experience at all. One of these fellas would have a very similar one, and the idea of the podcast is to let these two guys understand what us two guys feel about this band. And so I entered with these myself. Yet, jamie, yeah, you haven't really now. 


    Oh well, i'll start off by introducing myself. I am the host of the show. In two time You're supposed to say two time, two time. There you go. President's Club Award winner, pete Van Dyke No applause, no applause. And our guest today, the one that's come from Waterford, ontario. He's a. He's a Waterford native, that's right, norfolk County boy. But he's moved to the big city and he's made a life for himself. First time here in the Dutch Hall, ladies and gentlemen, say hello to Jamie, do everybody, jamie do. 


    0:04:40 - Speaker 3

    It is great to be back. Great to be back to Norfolk. I mean great to be back in Ontario's garden. Oh yes, Thank you. 


    0:04:49 - Speaker 4

    Shout out to us and our guests And you're going to have to help me, jamie, on the last names here, let's try, i will. From San Diego, california, is Tim Lion, lion, everybody, i'll take it Yeah. 


    0:05:07 - Speaker 5

    Happy to be here. Thanks for having me. 


    0:05:10 - Speaker 4

    Thank you, Tim, And coming from Malaga, Spain. 


    0:05:14 - Speaker 3

    Malaga, spain. This is Pete from Spain. He doesn't have a last name. Yes, of course he does Marchica, pete, marchica, everybody. 


    0:05:22 - Speaker 4

    Pete Marchica. 


    0:05:26 - Speaker 1

    My middle name is is is from Spain. What's your middle? 


    0:05:29 - Speaker 4

    name From Spain. Oh, i'm joking, i'm your. You know, actually I have a. I have a nephew and his middle name, his name is this is seriously, his name is Adrian adventure Pitaski And, like it's just so, he could go around his parents name on that So he could tell people my, my adventure is my middle name, right? Wow, i love it. That's my nephew, that's real, that's my nephew, like that's that is cool. 


    Like you want to get named. It's like your parents just made you James Bond, yeah Right. Like it is major, coolest. No, this kid's got to live up to that middle name. He's got to live life, yeah Right, yeah, hopefully he's not trepidatious of everything, yeah. 


    0:06:10 - Speaker 3

    What if he's just like an accountant, You know? 


    0:06:14 - Speaker 4

    it'll probably be cooking the books. Yeah Yeah, the name like adventure. 


    You know that's a, that's just a gift, that's a gift from your parents, so uh, I think it's a little bit of a, a little bit of a, a little bit of a. It's a gift, that's a gift from your parents. So, uh, i want, I hope so, yeah, yeah, i hope so, or curse, or curse. Um, i wanted to say the band we're talking about is tragically hip. That's right. The band, uh, that, uh, if you the credit tragic lips, from Kingston, ontario, and for some reason the tragically hip have been a band that have uh made it in Canada. They were enormous in Canada, but as much as we tried to explain them to the rest of the band, we tried to explain them to the rest of the world, the rest of the world just didn't get them. 


    0:06:57 - Speaker 3

    No, Would you agree with that, Jamie? I would agree with that. And uh, these two are the avatars for the rest of the world. 


    0:07:03 - Speaker 4

    Yeah, And now is there a. Is there a band, uh, either in the United States or in Spain, that you would say would be like a band that is beloved in your country, but the rest of the world doesn't get it, You know. 


    0:07:21 - Speaker 1

    Tim, you want to take that one for the US Oh tough one, Yeah that is a tough one for US actually. 


    0:07:26 - Speaker 5

    Yeah, yeah, i have no idea, because I feel like if you break, i'm going to have to do some homework. 


    0:07:31 - Speaker 3

    I feel like if you break in the US, part of that breaking in the US is breaking internationally. 


    0:07:37 - Speaker 4

    Yeah, like the rest of the world will like what you guys like. Yeah, there's not much that you guys like, unless there's some guy like you know, like what's the name of that fella? He's, like you know, proud to be an American, or like the, or like one of those country guys who were really like patriotic and over the top. That might be a little bit. That's the country singer. 


    0:08:00 - Speaker 3

    What's his? 


    0:08:00 - Speaker 4

    name. That might be too much for like people outside the States. 


    0:08:04 - Speaker 1

    Yeah, that's true. No, I know what you're saying. 


    0:08:07 - Speaker 4

    You know what's the guy's name The big? Yeah, i know who you mean. See, that's me. We're from Canada. We don't know the guy's name? Danim Vast. Yeah, we got tons of them. You know how? about Spain? 


    0:08:22 - Speaker 1

    You know there's a band here called Los Planetes, which translates to the planets, if you will, and you know they're extremely popular. I mean they've got like there's a couple of the members have spinoff bands. I mean you can't you can't go to any corner of this country and not know somebody who knows Los Planetes. So they're like sort of as an indie rock band, sort of like I guess you'd say the hip did. But but yeah, dude, outside of if you mentioned Los Planetes outside of Spain, nobody knows what they're talking about. 


    0:08:54 - Speaker 3

    Yeah, i've never heard of them, yeah. 


    0:08:56 - Speaker 4

    I know that the tragically hip themselves were friends with the band the real statics out of England because they had the same issue as them. They were huge in England but the rest of the world Real statics are from the town. No, not real statics, stereophonics They say those bands were on. Oh, it was about to correct. Yes, i apologize. The real stacks actually open for the hip, yeah, but the stereophonics, and so they'd always, if they came out with an album, the hip would give an album to the stereophonics, stereophonics would give an album to the hips when they came out with a new one, because they had this mutual like kind of like, you know, like sister cities and stuff like that. 


    0:09:36 - Speaker 3

    It was like the same thing, but like sister bands, you know, i feel like the last time stereophonics played in Toronto it was post score dying and they played a hip song. Yeah, that would make a huge sense And I didn't. But I didn't know that there was that connection. 


    0:09:47 - Speaker 4

    I just thought they were just doing a tribute to oh no, they were big fans of it, like big fans of each other, and they both had the same thing. They could never break in the States and they were like huge in their own countries And even in Canada the stereophonics didn't really make too much of a splash. I just remember that having a stay song. Yeah, i like that band actually. Yeah. 


    0:10:07 - Speaker 5

    I can only think of bands from the U S that have done well outside the U S. You know like bigger tours outside the U S, but there are a ton. 


    0:10:16 - Speaker 1

    There are a ton of like Canadian bands that like have had broken through to me, for Christ's sake. You got Neil Young, you've got the Lannis, you've got Brian Adams, right, nickelback, you know. 


    0:10:29 - Speaker 5

    Nickelback. Yeah, that one band Rush. is that what they're called? 


    0:10:33 - Speaker 1

    Yeah, yeah, i mean one of the greatest bands of all time. It's a real crowd splitter rush. 


    0:10:41 - Speaker 3

    I agree Because. I've never I was never a Rush guy. 


    0:10:43 - Speaker 4

    If you don't, if you like Rush, you really like Rush Big time. I think it's like Bruce Springsteen. You know, bruce Springsteen, the guys that like Bruce, they love Bruce, Like they really like Oh my gosh. 


    0:10:54 - Speaker 5

    Yeah, we have a good friend who follows Bruce and I just Yeah, they're like, they're you and Target on that. God bless Michelle. 


    0:11:02 - Speaker 4

    Yeah, and my cousin's husband is like that, he's traveled all around to see Bruce, eh, and he knows him Like it. Just it means so much to him. Man, i envy that about him, but I just don't get it. Yeah, it just doesn't. 


    0:11:18 - Speaker 3

    I like Springsteen, but I'm not. I wouldn't do a follow along, or Yeah. 


    0:11:23 - Speaker 4

    You're in camp too, like either you love him or you're like oh, he's the boss, you know he's good. 


    0:11:29 - Speaker 5

    Yeah, i like a couple, you know I like it enough It's fine, there's lots of bands I would go see perform live if I got a free ticket. 


    0:11:38 - Speaker 1

    Right, yeah, i got free tickets to see Springsteen. That's the only reason I saw him. But back in the day I think we told this on the pod or I may have mentioned it on the pod when we did some, when we recorded, but back in the day, when I started playing in bands, like 25 years ago, you were, if you were a Rush fan, you were closeted. Like and I'm not even like joking Like in the US like if you liked Rush and you had Rush records, you were closeted. You didn't talk about it. I remember I was playing in a band with a guy named Jason Hirsch and he was our bass player and we played in a band for like seven or eight months and then one day it went over his house and it was like I found a bunch of porno mags in his corner. Like he's like, yeah, dude, i like Rush, and like the same was for Zappa, and I was like, dude, it's cool man, this is a safe space. 


    0:12:30 - Speaker 4

    I have a huge kit set up in the closet. I drummed a new apparel. That's funny man, but it was kind of that. There was like you just didn't know if you're, because they split the room, you either love it, like people hated Rush, or they loved Rush. You know, even in Canada, even in Canada, they're hardcore. I don't get it, you know. I think some It might be musicians though too, because like Rush, right, because they're technically Yeah, i mean because you just. 


    0:13:01 - Speaker 1

    The work of like the musicianship is like the fact that Geddy Lee can play His multi-instrumentalist on stage and singing is fucking stupid, yeah, like you know It's like Radiohead too. 


    0:13:16 - Speaker 4

    Right Like Radiohead, like Yeah, if the musicians get them more than the non-musicians, would you say that's true. 


    0:13:26 - Speaker 5

    I don't think so. I think Rush had a special kind of nerd dump. You know, like, if you ever knew, like a group of kids that played D&D, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you know, like I don't know, rush has their own collective. Like, i have lots of friends who are radiohead fans and many of whom are not. 


    0:13:44 - Speaker 1

    We now ostracized the Rush crowd from Pete's podcast and now ostracized the D&D. 


    0:13:55 - Speaker 4

    I don't know. 


    0:13:57 - Speaker 5

    I saw D&D. friends, we're all good with each other. 


    0:14:01 - Speaker 4

    I've never played before. Have you done that Never? 


    0:14:05 - Speaker 5

    I won't touch a 12-side. I tried, like, when it became a thing, i tried with some kids in my neighborhood and I sat down with them and I was like are we going to drink some wine? Or you know, and that was the seventh grade Like it just felt like we were supposed to be naked or I don't know. It was just weird. Yeah, like It was really weird. I was like how far can we take role play right now? 


    0:14:26 - Speaker 4

    Yeah, you were an advanced. 


    0:14:27 - Speaker 5

    There's too much of a tease for me. 


    0:14:29 - Speaker 4

    No, i was like you were saying Dungeons Dragons makes a seemed a little like they was going to get a role. Did people wear costumes for that stuff? 


    0:14:37 - Speaker 5

    Well, no, i just felt like it was this level of intellectualism, you know, like that wasn't it being experiencing games and rush was kind of the same way, and maybe, you know, maybe the hip was too smart for the US, maybe it might be. 


    0:14:51 - Speaker 4

    It might be like there's, but I don't know how smart it was. It was like there's a. It's an interesting thing because I've only because of this podcast started. You know he's kind of reflect on you know I was a hip like, i am a hip fan and it, but I don't know if I'm associating it is just because they were around through a good part of my life. You know what I mean. Yeah, like I was young and having a good time and every show I went to or I could see them a lot, you know. So they were at a lot of like festivals and concerts that I would get a chance to go to. 


    0:15:25 - Speaker 3

    They were always on the bar, like whatever bar you go to, they were playing hip, you know yeah. 


    0:15:30 - Speaker 1

    They were like the LA. They were like Canada's version of X. If you live in LA, right, sure They were. They were still playing Cause like yeah, right, i know, but actually you could like go to any club on a given night in the 80s and 90s and that band was playing, and they're still playing. 


    0:15:51 - Speaker 4

    Yeah, they're still playing, and then I never seen a. 


    The other thing that I think was was interesting about the hip, when you'd see them live, is like I've seen a lot of bands that would jam, you know, like they would like jam out a song, so it didn't sound like a radio version of it, like, but the hips the only one I can really say that vocalist was doing it too Like where the vocalist was jamming vocals, you know, and so you'd go to see them at a show and he'd be like gibberishing up there, you know, while they were like jamming something else out in the middle of a song, and then you'd go see the next tour and it would actually be a song that was on that album, you know, and like, do you remember seeing that too? 


    Absolutely, yeah, i was called it breadcrumbs, right, like it was like little breadcrumbs and you're like that's going to be something like. I remember nautical disaster before it was nautical disaster, right, and then like, so, like I thought that was kind of cool, cause you kind of I don't remember another band that kind of let you in on the what's to come, you know, like, and and and let you watch the creative process, like the writing process, on stage, you know as obvious. 


    0:17:05 - Speaker 5

    Maybe the, maybe the doors, yeah, yeah, that's what's good. Jim Morrison did a fair amount of that, but there's not many. I mean, that was like lead singers riffing Yeah, there's not. Not many people are able to do that at all, is this? 


    0:17:19 - Speaker 4

    douchey. It really like it has the potential to go a little bit yourself in grandizing. You know, like, where it's like. Look at me, i'm an intellectual and you know even Jim Morrison and then Gord Downey. They both kind of you know they're like I'm not gonna do that. Their critics could accuse them of that, of being a little bit like you know in their own head or like too impressed by themselves. But I didn't get that impression from either of them but because I liked them. 


    0:17:47 - Speaker 3

    Yeah, me too. 


    0:17:48 - Speaker 4

    But and I like watching the creativity of it, you know, But doors is a perfect example, because that would be, I would say, the closest which I never got. to see them, So yeah. 


    0:18:00 - Speaker 1

    Pete, did you have you? because I don't know how much you dug into the pod, but we you know, one of the things that Tim and I struggle with is that you know, when we did the, when we did the pod, we recorded everything, because everything's recorded up into this point. Pretty much We're just kind of trickling the pods out leading up to the finale. 


    But like a lot of folks, like you know, we had a week to digest the record and then it was week over week over week over week And, like so many people, like dude had fucking a year or two years to like and it had their whole lives to get to know this band. I think it's, you know, i'm not gonna we'll smoke up my own ass, but maybe I'll hold a little Tim's ass. But we, you know, i think it's, you know, i think it's, you know it's a little bit of a Tim's ass, but we, you know, i'm. I think it's pretty impressive because at this point, now that we're kind of all done, i fucking love this band. I mean, i've gone back and listened to the records we weren't super keen on and they're just dude, they're. I don't know what American rock fans were fucking thinking back in the day when this band was like pinky. 


    0:19:14 - Speaker 5

    Is that why? Yeah, i really think that a big part of why they didn't quote make it in the US, which they did to a degree, they just weren't selling out stadiums. But I think a big part of it had to do must have had to have been because of ill attempted marketing. Like, like, when bands go on tour, there are people behind the scenes that are doing promotions in every city. They're hanging posters, they're giving away tickets, they're talking about on the radio all of these things. You know everybody in LA who does this for a living And I talked to him briefly about it and he said marketing probably was marketing, i and can't. 


    And I'm like, oh, you know, and the labels, when the hip was on with labels who weren't promoting them in the US, like, oh, they're gonna play in these six epicenter cities, we're gonna sell out them, sell out them more, maybe if all the Canadians show up, sure, that was, that was what happened. But man, if they were promoted more in a real way, like other bands on their US labels which I can't remember right now, i think they would have totally hit it. When they were on in my house the other day I said to my wife if this was playing in 1992, i would have been totally into it, cause we were talking about bands we were into in 1992. And some of them, like right now, i might have thought they were pretty good back then, but some of them right now I absolutely do not listen to. 


    But if I would have, heard the hip in 1992, I would definitely be going back to albums right now, I believe. 


    0:20:48 - Speaker 4

    Yeah, it's interesting, that's really all. 


    but with both what you guys said, it's really interesting cause I it's not what I expected, like number one, you've just let my audience know you've been, you've been through the entire catalog of the hip, which, when you said it takes you time to process a tragically hip album, i mean I remember like in real time, when these things came out and we would like line up at sunrise at midnight to get the new road apples or whatever you know. 


    And but each album like road apples compared up to here and day for night compared to road apples, or like, or fully, completely, you know they were. they were as soon as you put in the new album you were like, ah, like this is, this isn't as good as the last stuff, and then you'd listen to it like a hundred times and then it would become your favorite album. you know, like totally. And I find Jack White like I'm a huge Jack White fan and it's the same thing with his stuff, cause he's pushing himself and he's growing, you know, and then it kind of takes you a bit to get your head around what he's trying to do And then after a while you start digging it, you know. 


    That's a good example And I think that's. That's the kind of like I. You never liked the hip album when you first got it. You always liked it a couple of weeks later. You know, Like Is it. 


    0:22:15 - Speaker 5

    Sorry, is that true? Is that true for you, jamie? Were there any albums you just were like just had on repeat, psyched, go, go, go, go listen to it a hundred times a week. 


    0:22:26 - Speaker 3

    I was in love with like from the moment I heard it Like. So There you go, but and fully, completely too Trouble at the hen house. The first time I heard it I was like I'm not sure about this, but you're right, it was, it was, it was different, they were, they were, you're right, They, they were growing and I was stuck behind. Yeah, yeah, now that's like my favorite record. 


    0:22:46 - Speaker 4

    Yeah, yeah. 


    0:22:48 - Speaker 3

    Like like hands down. 


    0:22:50 - Speaker 4

    Yeah, and then, like I, yeah, cause yeah up to here was the only one I would say that I was like I'm in, this is everything's great. And then the only thing is that a lot of songs kind of sounded similar maybe, but but but then everything I was comparing everything up to here And then, and that's just. And then I just wasn't like like you said, i just wasn't developing like the. That's why it takes me a bit just to catch up, cause I'm slow, i'm just. You know, you're just a consumer, you're being fed, fed shit, you only know what you know And then get something new and takes you a bit. 


    0:23:28 - Speaker 1

    But you also never know how long it's going to take. I had a. I had a record I won't need to mention cause it's just not even important, but the record from a band that I really liked And when they're it took seven years. Seven years. It came out in 2007 and it wasn't until 2014 when I picked it up again And I literally thought this was the shittiest record I had ever heard. And I picked it up again and it turns out being my favorite record And it was like like it takes time, but for for what, tim and I? the gauntlet that fucking JD's put us through the last seven months, like how many? 


    0:24:05 - Speaker 3

    albums There's 14, 14 hours, 14 or 15. Yeah wow. 


    0:24:11 - Speaker 4

    And then, uh, yeah, that's crazy, man, that's crazy. So the what was I thinking? Oh, you're to um, you know, david Bowie's black star, that album, last album, yeah, yeah, same thing. I was like you know, i wanted Ziggy Stardust and I got black star. I was upset. And then, uh, you listen to it and you're like this is the greatest thing he's ever done. This is man. That album is incredible. Oh, yeah, and uh, yeah. And then the more you know the fact that he, uh, he doesn't, he, he leaves on an open note Like he doesn't, uh, he doesn't end on the top, on the home note, the number one, the one he doesn't end on, the one you know that's a and he knows he's going to die. 


    0:24:53 - Speaker 1

    You know, that's crazy, That album it's funny because I remember when I bought that album right when it came out, right after he died, because he died a couple of days before my birthday, because he died a few days after his birthday, which is January 8th Mine's a 16th and I bought it and I just didn't. I wanted to get it, i couldn't. And then a friend, when I moved back to Spain, explained to me that it was a lot of the songs are built on flamenco chords, spanish flamenco chords, and I was like get the fuck out of here. And then I we listened to it together and explained it to me And I was like, because a drummer of our band? and I was like, oh, that makes sense. And then the whole record made sense to me. 


    0:25:33 - Speaker 4

    It took years, isn't that great. That's a beautiful thing about music, our art in general. You know like, no matter what kind of the art, the comedy is the same way you can work your whole life. You're never going to know all the risks and all about it You're never going to. It's just so infinite in the amount. So like, that's what I like about it, about it, you know, like you can, you're never going to feel like you've got all the answers you know, when you find art, when you find art like that, that's timeless, that's, that's, that's the best stuff I think you know. 


    0:26:04 - Speaker 5

    Yeah, that's right. Yeah, something you can put on, i mean, just at any point in time. It's just that's, that's. Those are the keepers. Yeah, i don't know if we'll feel the same way. Pete, have you gone back to any any? Bob Rock produced albums. 


    0:26:18 - Speaker 1

    You know it's funny. I haven't yet, tim, but I really am looking forward to it because I think it's going to happen. I think eventually all end up like sending a letter Is Bob Rock still alive? 


    0:26:28 - Speaker 5

    Yes, oh, my gosh Yeah. 


    0:26:30 - Speaker 1

    Okay, then I'll send him like an apology letter and like be like Bob, i'm sorry, cause there are people that love. 


    0:26:36 - Speaker 3

    We are the same now And when it came out it was pretty universally derided. And there are people that absolutely adore that record now And I'm I'm one of them. Like, like, i really did not like that record the first time I heard it. Like I remember meeting Greg in the grocery store We were doing fully and completely at the time And I was like, so I did some pre listening and uh, wow, every song sounds the same. It's all droney, it's you know. And now I think, like depression suite is amazing. I love morning moon, um, queen of the Furrows is like weird and out there. But I but I dig it, but it's not, it's not. It still doesn't feel quite like a hip record because there's no Lang Lawn and St Clair backup vocals. You know it's, it's, it's just different. 


    0:27:24 - Speaker 4

    Yeah, do you hear that? Uh, i think it was at the Gino's or something. Uh, after CORE Downey died, uh, muse filled in and they did um, it's a, she did a cut. No, it's not, it's not. I said the wrong name FIEST, fiest. Yeah, fiest did, uh, did the vocals and it was for it's. Uh, it's a good life if you don't weaken. Yeah, it's a good life if you don't weaken and uh and. But like when the background vocals kicked in and then it was like, then you're like Oh, this is the hip. Yeah, cause before it was just a cover, you know. 


    And then, as soon as you heard St Clair's backing, it was like Oh man, this is, this is cool, you know, yeah, yeah. 


    0:28:07 - Speaker 5

    Um, yeah, i was. I was asking Pete, because this morning when Amy was making coffee, I was like coffee girl. It just happened. So, bob, bob is coming in. Hey, knock on the door. 


    0:28:23 - Speaker 4

    Hey, i was hoping, uh, we, so this has been. This is really cool. If you guys, uh, who are listening to this show, if you want to check out this podcast and see how these two people were converted to the ways of the tragically hip um, uh, how can they find the show, jamie? 


    0:28:39 - Speaker 3

    go to getting hip to the hipcom and, uh, you can go anywhere that you find your podcasts you'll get getting hip to the hip And it is. 


    0:28:49 - Speaker 4

    It's going to all uh, culminate with a grand finale live show in Toronto on September 1st. Yes, sir, and people can get tickets for the show Same place. 


    0:29:00 - Speaker 3

    Getting hip to the hipcom and, uh, click on tickets and, uh, you know, uh, we'll get a great host for that evening. 


    0:29:08 - Speaker 4

    Well, thank you. Yeah, i'll be hosted by myself and uh, we have uh the finale of the podcast and you have uh entertaining the audience of uh. was it 50 mission cap or? 50 mission 50 mission, which is a hip cover band. They'll be playing, and where is it? 


    0:29:25 - Speaker 3

    It's at the rec room in Toronto on Bremner, right across from the sky dome. 


    0:29:29 - Speaker 4

    Oh sweet, it's going to be super fun. So please check us out And, uh, we will be running a uh draw here at the Dutch hall for a listener to get a free uh free ticket to the event. How about? 


    0:29:40 - Speaker 1

    a pair A pair. 


    0:29:41 - Speaker 4

    You can bring a friend. Thank you, that's nice, yeah, and I can even give you a ride if you want, if you're local. So we got all those things working for us, and there'll be details on that at the end of the show, but I don't want to keep these guys any longer doing business. Um does. 


    0:29:59 - Speaker 1

    This is the sky down where the blue jays play. Yeah, Oh fuck, that'd be cool. They're playing a game that they're not, they're out of town. 


    0:30:08 - Speaker 3

    Are we taking a game? for sure, yeah, Hey, pete. 


    0:30:12 - Speaker 1

    Pete, i've been wanting to tell you a joke, man Come tell you a joke, yeah, please do, just to turn After he's done. 


    0:30:20 - Speaker 5

    Then, pete, you play guitar to Pete and see if you guys can trade. 


    0:30:25 - Speaker 4

    Yeah, you have to do that. Okay, I'll trade your talents. I know two chords. 


    0:30:30 - Speaker 1

    So so you know Creedence, right. You know Creed's Clearwater, right. Yeah, yeah, ccr yeah. Yeah, so do you know what the difference between John Fogarty and Marvin Gaye is? 


    0:30:43 - Speaker 4

    No, I don't. 


    0:30:45 - Speaker 1

    So Marvin Gaye heard it through the grapevine, but John Fogarty played it through the grapevine. Yeah right, Tim, just snickered at that one. It's one of my all-time favorites Whoa man, don't tell that at the finale. Pete, let it sit there. 


    0:31:09 - Speaker 4

    Only if I'm really stuck I'm going to pull that one out of the toolbox. You're not going to speak to people like this. No, guys, i want to thank you for spending this time with me and getting to, for taking the time to get to know me and my audience. I really am excited about the podcast And I think it's going to be interesting. Yeah, i hope so. You guys got you guys did kind of shit on them a little bit right. Oh, yeah, they hold back. Yeah, but I think it is interesting to know that even some of the opinions that you held not so long ago may have already changed by the time the finale is going to be For sure. Yeah, Totally have. Yeah, yeah, that's cool, man, and I think that's kind of a testament to why I think they're worthy enough to still be concentrating on. 


    You know is because this shit can happen. This stuff can really happen where people can be turned on to something new and it's new to them. So who cares if Gord's dead? you know, like these guys, never. You know, if you never heard it, like my daughter's. A perfect example Her and the bass player in her band. The bass player in her band said did you hear. Remember when the hip came out with those new tracks? Yeah, and they were all like 90s era sounding. 


    0:32:27 - Speaker 3

    They were like road apples. 


    0:32:28 - Speaker 4

    Yeah, yeah, they were great, you know, and my daughter's friend brought that to me and they're like, have you heard this? And then they started getting into it and it was brand new to them. Oh, that's hilarious, and so like to watch my kids get into it. What I was into is really a kick. So like, and then like, i think that this is a great example of it. 


    And one time I went fishing in BC and the guy was Australian. That was like running our tour And I asked him about the question what in your country is the band that you guys would love and nobody else gets? Do they say midnight oil? He did say midnight oil And I go well, we all know midnight oil. You know, like beds are burning. And he goes like fuck that song. You know, like you guys don't know midnight oil. If you think it's beds are burning, look into their back catalog when they're a punk band, you know. And then, and it was way different, really Way different, and nothing like anything that made them popular, but it's so, it's. maybe there's bands like this everywhere. You know you can. 


    I never knew about like all all that old good soul music because it never played on any radios that I got to listen to. You know, like I just found out about Al Green like five years ago, like that breaks my heart. You know where was Al Green my whole life? But so there is a lot of good stuff out there And I think this podcast kind of shines a light on that. So I think it was going to be, while we're checking out, so getting hip to the hit, check it out. Everybody And Tim, thank you very much for, for, for the, for doing this for me. 


    0:34:03 - Speaker 5

    Yeah, thanks, pete. 


    0:34:04 - Speaker 1

    Thanks Pete. Thanks JD, Good to see you guys? 


    0:34:07 - Speaker 4

    Good to see you guys. Yeah, and we will see you on September 1st Sounds great. 


    See you September 1st, can't wait. All right, take care, guys. Okay, this show would be nothing without our sponsors at CleanFlow. If you'd like to support them, go to cleanflowcom That's K L, e, e, n, f L O dot com and check out all the great products. Lube up your life with clean flow. And if you'd like to support our show, go to patreoncom. slash dutch hall And you can join our queen, jen Husko, and being a part of dutch hall royalty. 


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    And, of course, you got to keep getting hip to the hip. What You got to keep the lights on. I keep the lights on exactly getting hip to the hip and the go get some tickets to the grand finale, the rec room in Toronto on September 1st. Jamie, thanks again for coming in. Thank you very much. It's been really nice And, as I said, you, i've been watching you promote this thing, i've been watching you put it together and the way that you have curated it, the way that you've cared for it and the way that you've, like, put thoughtful effort into every step of it. It shows through This is being done at a high level, and I'm really proud of the effort you put in. So keep it up, and I'm going to continue to support everything you do, cause I'm real happy to know a guy like you. So thanks for coming in, buddy. 


    0:37:18 - Speaker 3

    Thanks for having me. It's great to be here. Finally, yeah, finally We worked it out. 


    0:37:22 - Speaker 4

    Yeah. So everyone that's been our show 445 tele friend shared around, be nice to each other And until next week we will see you and T see you next Thursday. 


    0:38:01 - Speaker 3

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    Ever find yourself reminiscing about the good old days when tunes from The Tragically Hip filled the airwaves? My pals, Tim and Pete, and I sure did, as we took a deep dive into their 6th studio album, Phantom Power. We discovered that our own past experiences and relationships managed to shape our views on this collection of radio hits, which seemed like a pivotal moment for the band. 

    We weren't just content with superficially jamming out to the music. We dissected the unique sound and lyrical themes, compared them to previous Hip releases, and found ourselves swapping stories from past concerts. One standout memory was Tim being recognized by lead vocalist Gord Downie backstage. We also discussed the historical context of the album, like how its recording coincided with a major ice storm and a surprise tour that benefited a children's cancer camp. 

    Stick around as we analyze some standout tunes like 'Poets' and its references to Gwen Jacobs' fight for women's equality. We also shared our thoughts on 'Fireworks' and how it reminded us of Canada's victory in the hockey series against Russia in 1972. So, whether you're a die-hard Hip fan or just love a good music chat, this episode is for you!

    Transcript

    Speaker 1 It's June of 1998 and I'm done with York University. To celebrate, my friends and I embarked on a camping trip to the Pinary Provincial Park just down the road from Grand Bend. It was just outside the liquor store in town that I heard a finished version of Pullets for the first time. Gord had long been one of my favorite Pullets, so to me this song resonated in a way that I can't quite describe. It was a feeling of euphoria and relief. This new record was going to be just fine, i thought to myself. Little did I know that several tracks on this record would stand the test of time and join the pantheon of great hip songs I still enjoy to this day, from the meandering escape is at hand to the traveling man, to the exquisite Bob Cajun and the downright delicious Emperor Penguin. Phantom power was right in the pocket, coming off of the exceptional trouble at the henhouse. As I got inside the truck to head back to the campsite I turned the volume up and just let Pullets sink into my brain. This was living. Today. We're going to hear from our friends Pete and Tim to check out what they think of Phantom power. Will it stack up? Find out today. On Getting Hip to the Hip. 0:01:41 - Speaker 2 Long sliced brewery presents Getting Hip to the Hip Hey it's JD here. 0:01:58 - Speaker 1 Welcome back to Getting Hip to the Hip. This week we are talking about Phantom Power, the sixth studio record by Seminole Canadian rock band, the Tragically Hip. I'm joined this week, as always, by my pals Tim and Pete Fellas. how are you doing? 0:02:19 - Speaker 3 Hey guys, hey guys, hey guys, glad to be here. Good to see you, i'm ecstatic to be here. 0:02:26 - Speaker 4 I'm ecstatic to be here right now. 0:02:27 - Speaker 1 Oh, I love it. 0:02:28 - Speaker 4 I love the energy This is happier than a pig and shit. 0:02:31 - Speaker 1 Oh boy, oh boy, that's pretty happy. I've seen some, some porcine creatures rolling in fecal matter and they sure love it. Okay, so if you are wanting to experience The Tragically Hip's music for the first time, tim and Pete are your avatars this week because they got to experience the record Phantom Power, which again is the sixth record produced by Steve Berlin, first record on Universal. But I guess I should tell you guys both. I guess I should say this to you both as honorary Canadians. Now, happy Canada Day. It's almost the 4th of July. It's July 3rd today, but it's July 4th tomorrow for you, but July 1st for us is Canada Day. So happy Canada Day, folks. 0:03:20 - Speaker 4 Wow, Yeah, Very close to the other 4th of July, which is America's Independence Day. In the UK they call that Thanksgiving. No, No, I had a. I took a flight one time on some shitty airline and the pilot was British and it was on the 4th of July and he was like so I just want to say you know, that's my shitty British accent Happy 4th of July was we call it. We're on from Thanksgiving. Enjoy Whatever. 0:03:57 - Speaker 1 That's great. Oh, anytime you can burn an American a little bit, it's. you know there's some fun. There's some fun there because you guys are so goddamn good at this shit, you know Anyway let's get into the record as a whole. Before we go into the song by song segment, let's just talk about this record, produced, like I said, by Steve Berlin. Five singles come from this record. All music rates at a three out of five Three. So there's that. What did you guys think? I want to know where you listen to it, how you listen to it and what your initial thoughts were, and you know, maybe, what they percolated up to. What do you say there, tim? 0:04:45 - Speaker 3 Well, there's a pause. I thought it was a three star album, kind of like all music I felt wasn't really sure. it felt a little bit deluded in a way. to me It felt a little bit, a little bit more generic from what I've heard in the past. But it also felt kind of expected for the whole catalog of albums this band has produced and the timeline going into the late 90s. You know this album felt like full of radio hits but at the same time I was missing a little bit of that raw kind of hip feeling. You know, i was wondering like, should I be okay with this album just being kind of fine? This was the turning point for me. I was really not sure. When I read kind of some reviews about it, i think there was some sentiment, some shared sentiment, and also some people were like it's my favorite album and some hip fans said it's their least favorite album. So this one's kind of a gray area for me. 0:06:00 - Speaker 1 It's funny. Well, I'll get into my, you know, sort of backgrounder on this for you guys after we hear from Pete. Pete, what did you think? 0:06:09 - Speaker 4 I hear you on the gray area, because I could totally see that. I could totally see how some hip fans are like this is the best album they did. Or this is not my favorite album. For me I listen to it everywhere. I listen to it in my office, so for my computer, with some some decent cans, i took it out running a lot. Probably. I think maybe the first time I listened to it was that took it in the car. It sounded great. The thing I found like I would say 3.5 for me, tim, instead of a 3. But you know I feel you on that My initial thoughts were that a lot of rawness of the hip was gone from this. In the first couple of listens it sounded very watered down. It was like somebody pulled Gord Downey aside and said Hey man, can we just like, kind of like the dude, can you, can, you fucking can you take it easy, man, you know, just like. Told him to just like chill out a little bit, and I don't know. The more I listen to it though, the more I dug into it and see how much work maybe not production, but just from the band themselves went into this record maybe changed my tune a lot Like I dig it. And Phantom Power, that was the coolest thing in the 90s, man Like because sometimes you didn't know what it was. If you never heard of Phantom Power before, it has a fucking cool name. If you had a guy that had like a condenser mic or something with Phantom Power, you're like dude, yeah, he's got a mic, that's got a Phantom Power. It was just like fucking. You were 17 and you heard that it was fucking cool. 0:08:00 - Speaker 3 Yeah, you know, i went and looked at a number of albums sold by a bunch of different bands, including the hip, and I was trying to kind of have this try to find this correlation of how many albums sold from the band start to like 10 years later, or 10 albums later, something like that. And I compared the hip with a bunch of bands And it's, it's. It's really all apples, oranges, of course, but when you look at how many albums they've sold and how they, you know, started off selling a ton and then just kind of went down to this million album mark. And then when I heard this album and I like UP, i listened to it all over the place. I listened to it on the plane I traveled, listened to it in the car, listened to it at home with the cans on. I mean I listened to it in more places than past listens because I was really trying to give it a go. I mean, it was the first time, upon first listened, that there were a couple songs where I was like okay, get it, i'm going to go to the next one, like I had not fast forwarded songs, you had her skipped ahead. So this, yeah, but but one of those songs that I skipped ahead on, sorry hip fans. You know I came back to and it's might be one of my most favorite on the album, so this this one like yeah, this one, this one to me like didn't grab me right away. Maybe it will more over time, maybe it's one of those types of albums, but well, i'll tell you what this record has. 0:09:36 - Speaker 1 An interesting, an interesting story, i think, and it it's my own headcanon This is. This is not like actual fact by any stretch, but in my opinion, trouble at the Henhouse, which is one of my absolute favorite records by the Tragically Hip or or or any other band, is, was maligned Like it, it, it, it, it both it and day for night didn't perform as well as fully, completely, and fully completely was very, if you recall, it was very polished, it was very produced. You know they went to London to record it. It was like a big deal. And then, following that, the next two records, they were sort of self-produced, with Mark Vreakin and Mark Howard on day for night and just Vreakin on fully, on Trouble at the Henhouse, and those records are sparse and they are. The core energy is, is there, it's, it's. It's like boiling hot magma, you know, and they're and they're forming these songs that are just age old now and and just wonderful, and then phantom power comes out and phantom power goes back to the like. To me it's sort of back to the back, to the basics. It's like back to really structured songs, really produced, and, like I always said, that this record was the baby of day for night and fully and completely, fully, completely, rather not fully and completely fully. It's sort of the baby of those two records. It's got the, it's got the production values, but it's still got songs. So I'll challenge you guys on that, because I think this record has songs and I think it has songs for days. You know what? 0:11:40 - Speaker 4 you are JD, let me tell you who you are. So when I was like 19 or 18, working with the movie theater, i dated this girl that that worked at the calendar place across the way And I just kind of went out with her because I was like really stoked. She gave me your number But I really wasn't that into her and all my friends were like, dude, she's really hot man, she's really amazing, and I just didn't see it. And so then like I stopped going out with her. We only went out a couple of times and that was that. And then I saw her again. I was like, damn, i really screwed that one up And that's kind of felt with this record, but I didn't want to like make that same mistake again. So like I, i'm sticking with it. I'm sticking with this being a solid album. Yeah, you know, yeah Masked it for, you know, a third and fourth date. 0:12:26 - Speaker 1 Yeah, i think, and I think three out of five stars is fair Like it's not it's not one of my. it's not my favorite record, but it's a lot of hit pants favorite record It's a lot Yeah, yeah. 0:12:39 - Speaker 3 That's that's what I found in my research. The covers are awesome. The covers are great. 0:12:43 - Speaker 1 They have that They actually have that panel in in their studio and bath, which is really cool. Yeah, so that's, you know this is. I want to say this is the second record they recorded at their studio. So they didn't go anywhere, you know, adventurous or anything like that, but they were at home. And what happened in 1998, i don't know if it made news anywhere else but Quebec and Ontario there was a major ice storm, yeah, major ice storm, and in Ontario it, like it absolutely shut down the city of Toronto. It shut down, you know, major thoroughfares. It was like devastating this ice storm. And we'll get into that a little bit more as we talk about the songs. But you know, they bring Berlin in and they're sort of trapped in the studio. You know like during during this, so really fascinating I think. 0:13:43 - Speaker 3 But yeah, it's a go ahead. Did you see this tour? Did you see them play on this tour? You want to hear a story Now? 0:13:52 - Speaker 1 people who listen to the movie and completely heard this. But the hip announced five secret shows that they were going to do, and all proceeds from these shows were going to go to a charity I forget which charity now at the oh, it was Camp Trillium. Camp Trillium, which is a camp for children with cancer, children that have cancer, and there's a location of that is near where I grew up And I'll show you when we, when you're in town for the finale. My friend's parents were on the committee for the cancer camp in our community, and so my friend Heather had intel and she she knew that they were going to go on sale at this time in this place in Hamilton, which is about an hour outside of Toronto, when traffic's good, and so we ended up getting third row center seats Wow, in this small theater in Hamilton, like 2000 people, and they blew the roof off the place. And a band called oh my goodness. They sang, come for a ride. Open for them, and they were tremendous as well. I forget the bands right now who open for them, but if you know it, send me an email. Jd at getting hip to the hipcom. So we're third row center. We watched the show, But the kicker here is is that Heather has got gifts to give the band And it's been arranged with the stage manager that we're going to go backstage afterwards to give. She's going to go backstage afterwards to give these gifts And she ended up inviting me along And so we got to go backstage and I introduced her to the tragic lab. So this was like this was like full circle for the two of us And it was just a wonderful experience. We went backstage after the show and they were all there and Gord had a. Gord Downey had a soccer ball And he was doing that thing where you flip it out, catch it and roll it back in your arms. Flip it out, catch it, roll it back in your arms And he just kept doing that And I remember at one point I must have looked silly or something, because somebody said and maybe it was Gord Downey said is everything all right? And I said, oh, everything is fucking perfect. I could go outside and get hit by a bus right now And it just wouldn't matter. And Gord Downey looked at me and he goes Oh, don't do that, jane. He called me Jane, only my mom calls me Jane. Like it was so cool It was cool. 0:16:37 - Speaker 4 How did I not know the story? How did I not know that you had interactions with Jesus? 0:16:44 - Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, how was this? 0:16:45 - Speaker 4 coming up in episode. What fucking episode are we on. 0:16:48 - Speaker 1 Well, it was Tim asked me the question, yeah. 0:16:50 - Speaker 3 I don't know. We're like 15 minutes in. I think we could just call it. That was good enough. 0:16:55 - Speaker 1 Well, here's the kicker. Here's the kicker. I don't think I told this part on fully and completely, but the kicker is I had been dating a girl all through university and I broke up with her the summer of 98 and sewed my wild oats And this was all toward the end of the summer of 98. And she was in Hamilton to meet me after the show. So I'm backstage with the hip and they go Okay, well, we're going to go to the after party now in the next room over, because this was in the green room or whatever And we're going to go in the after party room and drink some beers. Do you guys want to join us? And I had to say no. I had to say no because my girlfriend was waiting outside for me. Now, in hindsight, what a boner move I made, because I wanted to get back together with her. Totally. It only lasted another two years after that, like I then absolutely blew up, but it was those. Those final two years were awful anyway, like they just weren't, you know, like both of us would agree to that now I'm sure the university years were wonderful, they were, they were great, but those those two years after our break up we're not so good And I blew a chance to go party with the hip. 0:18:15 - Speaker 3 You had a Davis Manning moment. 0:18:18 - Speaker 1 Yes, Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 0:18:22 - Speaker 3 He chose the girl over your fandom. 0:18:25 - Speaker 1 The hip lived between us. 0:18:27 - Speaker 3 They totally lived between you. They might still sorry, sorry, jess. 0:18:38 - Speaker 1 Well, folks, should we go song by song? 0:18:41 - Speaker 3 Yeah, let's do it, let's do it. 0:18:44 - Speaker 4 So I really liked this song. I really liked poets. This is probably the song I would say I have the least to say about. I really like the verse phrasing. I think it's probably the best part of this song, the way he phrases the verses. There's a part where the lines of a verse he kind of like carries into the next measure. It's really weird, like, like, like the mind, you think, okay, you sing the verse, then it's the next measure, but like he sings that verse over there Because it's when you look at it it's a complete line. I can't remember the line specifically, but it was. It was cool man. It's a hard thing to pull off man, but like that guy just does. It was so much, so much finesse. I liked the layered guitars in it, yeah. But I think, going back to what we're saying sort of at the beginning of the top of the show, it was, this song didn't punch me in the face Like right when I, right when I started listening, i dug it. I it was a soft open, it was a soft open. 0:19:59 - Speaker 1 All right, how'd you feel, tim? 0:20:01 - Speaker 3 I felt it was a harder open. I thought it was it. You know this. Like we've talked about before the cadence of songs and track orders. You know the first one I expect to really get me, bring me in, and this one did it. I thought it was pretty good. There's a fun kind of change over into the chorus It again I spoke about this a little bit before, but the kind of remind me of REM in REM's, like first half of the 90's albums, like they come on with like a punch of a song and then, like the cadence of the album kind of goes soft and then gets whoa, got a little dirty there, gets a little bit harder as time evolves. But yeah, this I thought this was a good start off. The themes you know I looked into a little bit of the song's meaning regarding lyrics and you know just talk about agriculture and super farms and like I don't know, ultimately fresh vegetables versus buying frozen and what that means. And this, this is the song that references Gwen Jacobs. Right, you know the story about her JD, and she was this woman who walked into town I think in Ontario topless and it created this whole. I don't have to look into this more, but I'm pretty sure this was the song about the Gwen Jacobs case. So Gwen was a woman who walked through town topless and was arrested and started this whole kind of woman's lib. You know movement with. You know making it okay to cut your lawn without a shirt on, just like the men do. That's kind of where the line in here from Gord comes from. It's a let's see. 0:22:02 - Speaker 1 Oh, that's great Lawn caught by breasted women. 0:22:04 - Speaker 3 Yeah, it's kind of this comment on pushing for women's equality and gender rights. So I thought that was fucking cool And that, to me also, is like really appropriate for the 90s or late 90s, you know it was. we were kind of circling back to, of course, some things we've had in North America before and prior decades. So I thought this song was cool. Again, it really reminded me of REM. I kind of went back and started looking at some of REM's albums and I wish, again, i wish I could know what the band listened to when they were traveling Me too. You know what they were sharing, what albums they were digging. you know if any of them were like Oh my God, did you hear REM's new one? We're going to put it in the the the buses stereo or whatever. Like I wish I could know what was influencing them, because I'm hearing, i'm hearing some some themes for sure. 0:22:57 - Speaker 1 Okay, earlier I was telling you about the ice storm. The next track, something on, was recorded and they literally were trapped in the studio. They were, you know, they couldn't leave the bath house, they couldn't leave the studio in bath. So they did what they do best They wrote a song and there's some lyrical content in there about the ice storm even And I think it's really wonderful lyricism. What did you guys think of something on? 0:23:33 - Speaker 3 I felt like, okay, i read about it, i read about this and I read about the ice storm and you know sounded awful. And for I hate to say this, but to go get stuck in a studio, for me that'd be like the time to really fuck things up, like really experiment. You know, you know, just hopefully somebody shows up with a huge bag of weed and somebody shows up with a bunch of acid and somebody shows up with a shit ton of beer and like this is when you like really go to town to experiment and what do we got out of it? We got like kind of a radio hit. So it was a little surprise to kind of hear the whole story and it just made me realize that maybe for this era, the guys were really I mean, they were at a point to where they could bust out a really good album, you know, and what, for me, that really good album is? like you go to a restaurant and it's like yo, that was a good meal. You know, everything was like satisfactory. 0:24:37 - Speaker 1 Well, yeah, it's a blooming onion man. 0:24:38 - Speaker 3 It's a blooming onion, Yeah, but to get stuck in a studio and ice storm, it's like I personally would want to just start going places. I haven't been before with my band, but you know this one's interesting take. Yeah, this one felt. This one felt a little radio felt a little you too, dave Matthews like splash of John Cougar melon camp or something like I don't know. Man, it felt, i know. I know, i know, i know. 0:25:10 - Speaker 1 And I was a big melon camp guy at one point. 0:25:13 - Speaker 4 But Dave, Matthews are regular. 0:25:16 - Speaker 1 Cougar and regular. 0:25:18 - Speaker 3 Yeah, like I couldn't get overly excited about this one. Well, again. 0:25:26 - Speaker 1 I think you were waiting for the follow up from the follow up to trouble at the house, and this isn't the follow up that you're expecting on a trajectory perspective. You know no no, i agree. 0:25:44 - Speaker 4 It's funny. You talk about getting trapped in the studio, like I mean, i don't know if I'd go like full steely Dan when they recorded the Albuquerque show, where, like you know, there maybe was not that much cocaine around, but I still agree with him, i would. I'd get really spacey, and I think they do it on a couple songs that we'll get into, but first time I heard this song got some heavy Jim Blossom's feels. Yeah yeah, Yes that's the first thing that hit me and I couldn't think of any of the band that it was like a buddy of mine used to play the band that they open for them a ton, and I was like the first band that came to mind like this Oh, and it was really poppy. And okay, my notes. Once you get past the repeated cheesiness of the chord progression and the vocal melody, it's not a bad song. 0:26:40 - Speaker 1 Oh dammit, with faint praise here. No, no, no, it's not a bad song. 0:26:44 - Speaker 4 I think it's a good song, but you know it's a good song. If, like you, take this song and go, is this a good song? Anybody will say it's a good song, but like you, said to me compared to the follow up of what you really wanted after trouble. Then else, and this was a song where I feel like Gord sounded a bit like he was put in the cage Like whoever was a universal when this record was getting recorded, put baby in the corner. And this is a song where really I feel like you know he's, he wants to be himself, but somebody's like, hey, man, just could you like you don't have to do it all the songs, but like at least on this one could you just, fucking, you know, tone it down a little bit. And I was just like, ah, where's my fucking, where's my lead singer. 0:27:33 - Speaker 3 Yeah, I totally agree, Because you know it's still a good song, because it's still all the guys and it still has themes, because it's Gord, you know you're still going to get one liners that are amazing. I feel like probably no matter what in any hip song there's going to be some standout lyric to me, some standout part like to the core fan. That's. That's really what I'm imagining. The line that stood out in this one for me was your imaginations having puppies, I mean yeah, yeah. I've had so many letters of puppies, you guys. It's like I'm just, i've got puppies all over the place. It's like. 0:28:11 - Speaker 4 I was a cool. I really like that one. Yeah, like that, like that video for new recruits or something. 0:28:17 - Speaker 3 Yeah, so I like identified in it. You know, at that personal level, which I think they're able to do just about on any song which is fucking amazing for a band to do, because I could probably name 10 bands right now. What that does not happen to me, yeah, so you know. So, in that regard, like hip fans, you know I'm, i'm I'm not really trying not to be the bad guy here, but we this, this, this just made this song, just made me keep going So into save the planet. I mean, i got to this one, arrived at this one, and I was like, is this the band's fucking Earth Day song? or stretch their reach to get on the farm aid bill, like what is going on here? I felt like I don't know, there's a flute in there. Who's playing the flute? 0:29:09 - Speaker 1 Who plays the flute? You know, i don't. I don't have the liner notes handy And on the wiki page it is remarkably barren in terms of additional players. Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't have them, so I need people to write in. 0:29:25 - Speaker 3 If people know, let us know, because there's some flute in there And it made me wonder like what else? 0:29:31 - Speaker 1 there's keys all over this record. 0:29:33 - Speaker 3 Yeah, what else have I been missing in the background that maybe other people are participating in? But I felt, like you know this song, in the placement we were, we were filling, we were filling in the gaps on the menu And you're like, no, I had a burger yesterday. No, I'm not in the mood for that. Oh, I could really use some lasagna. Here we go. That's that's how Save the Planet felt, felt very time appropriate. This is, like you know, the millennial song. 0:30:02 - Speaker 1 Okay. 0:30:03 - Speaker 4 All right. So if anybody's got a line on the flute player, email Tim getting hip to the hip, talk there you go. Right, i copy Pete at getting hip Yeah. Save the Planet. I thought it was a banger. I really dug it. I at first I saw that too, but then I kind of look past the name of it And just look at the song itself. There's a. There's two references in this album to Crossing the Street, to pedestrian crossings. Yes, i'll point out the other one. This is the first one Fucking solo bangs in this. I thought the flute at the end was cool because it was so random. 0:30:47 - Speaker 3 I was like well, what the fuck is that? Yeah? 0:30:50 - Speaker 4 Same. 0:30:52 - Speaker 1 There's. You just can't imagine listening to road apples and having a flute right Like. It's just not part of this band. You know like and and and it works It works well, no, right? 0:31:05 - Speaker 4 Yeah, you know, if they went into that I'd be like, well, what the fuck's going on? 0:31:10 - Speaker 3 But I'll just quickly, quickly add that I'm okay with the flute. Like sometimes, the flute really is awesome. Oh, i think it's great. So you know, like some people like hear the flute and they're like oh why You know, but it works. 0:31:24 - Speaker 4 No, i dug it And this is again. This is not the first song, or not the only song in this record where I got some heavy Alanis vibes. The phrasing on if the bathwater is clear and my ears underwater, it's a tolerant hum from the core. Carry the water Like that the way he phrases that shit, it's just. I don't know if I see because it's a Canadian band, if I see everything through the lens of like Canadian pop artists. But like it's just the vibe I got from this and it's a great tune to get out and move your feet to get running. It's a fucking cool song to run. 0:32:09 - Speaker 3 All right, i'll put it on my point first I hear your Alanis vibes marry and up with my Michael Stipe vibes. I think those are in sync for sure, for sure. 0:32:20 - Speaker 1 I think there's a nice correlation between the hip and REM, like I think you're right, like they both have that enigmatic front man, you know, who is really literate and really interesting in the way they sort of phrase things and put things together. 0:32:39 - Speaker 4 They both went bold too, halfway through the careers, that's right, that's a fair point. 0:32:45 - Speaker 1 Fair point, fair point, all right, we're getting in the car right now and we are cruising northeast of here and we're going to Bob Cajun. I left your house this morning. 0:33:40 - Speaker 7 It was quarter after nine. I left your house this morning. I left your house this morning. I drove back to town this morning This morning with working on my mind, i thought I'd maybe try to leave an ear behind. I went back to bed this morning and it's time pulling down the blind. Yeah, the sky was dull, it was high but never come. And morning went down at a time that night in Toronto And I was jacking boardboards, riding on horseback and keeping order restored. Tell the men they couldn't hide. Step to the mic and sign and their voices rang with the area of time. To your house this morning. It was quarter after nine. In the middle of that riot I couldn't get you off of my mind. To your house this morning. It was just a little hour tonight Cause it was in my page on the rossard and constellation, but they themselves won't starve at time. To your house this morning It's a little after nine Cause it was in my page on the rossard and constellation, but they themselves won't starve at time. 0:37:32 - Speaker 5 Tell the men they couldn't hide, they didn't choose your bones and bones. They're all south of the wind and down the lawn to the lake For as long as it takes. 0:38:05 - Speaker 7 I don't want to be a hill of the birds last hour. I don't want the last words out of my mouth to be stained Out of my way. 0:38:16 - Speaker 4 Okay, I fucking love this tune. I got some heavy and Tim, yes or yes. If I hear no, I'm just I'm off this podcast Got some really strong G love special sauce vibes from this. Yes, Just the way they owe up. Am I my GD? 0:38:42 - Speaker 1 I don't know, i think I think I'm very familiar. 0:38:46 - Speaker 3 I did not go there, but I will Okay. 0:38:51 - Speaker 4 Right, i mean the. there's a oh dude that it could have been Willie, could have been the wine. I heard that song. The first time I heard that song I was. I took it out for a run and I came home and I like I listened to it again because I just thought it was such a good fucking song, because it's a weed. reference to may not necessarily be about them listening to Willie Nelson. It's like they were smoking weed or they were drinking wine, absolutely Yeah. The opening, like spacey guitar licks The dobro which I think he's playing. there's a dobro in there that he's playing which kind of gets sort of like a banjo slash guitar vibe. Oh God, just. 0:39:40 - Speaker 1 I feel like that lyric that you just quoted, though, could have been the Willie Nelson, could have been the wine. That's like one, like when he wrote that he should have just put the book down, put on a fedora, long overcoat, grabbed his briefcase, just went home for the day, that's. That's the days. That's the day at the office, that's a fucking. Exactly. 0:40:00 - Speaker 4 That's just a great lyric Exactly dude, no, 100%, it's so good. I was like you know. You know, a line is a good line when you hear it and it's so good you think you've heard it before. Meaning like I'm like right, i mean because it just sounds like it belongs on this in the history of life, Like like someone has, like if someone hadn't said it, they sure as shit should have said it. Does that make sense? Yeah, you know, it sounds like it's just. It's a great fucking line. I thought I maybe quit that line. It's just. It's really the part of this song where Gord starts coming out of the cage. On this record, i feel like that was the moment Somebody gave, somebody unlocked the door of the cage and he's starting to come out, and then the song ends on a random minor chord, which is so weird, it's such a happy, spacey song that ends on this minor chord. 0:41:09 - Speaker 3 I loved that. I loved that about it. So for me this one it felt a little Out of the gates. I need to listen to the beginning of it to see your G-Love reference. But out of the gates. It felt to me a little bit country and a little bit like are we reaching again for some crossover fans Along? the southern belt of the US. Like where are we? What's happening here? You know there's some slide guitar, but is it a song about lost love? You know looking up at the stars waiting for a reveal. You know there's synth work in here again, so there's some sort of keyboard happening, which is fucking cool. And to me, the first lesson I had all those kind of questions going through my head And then I thought at one moment like this is actually a fucking beautiful song. Like it's a little bit of an odd man out on the album, but it's actually a beautiful song. There's this long ending with no singing. It's just mysterious. Like you said, pete, the last five seconds or so, or this just bizarre tune out. It's like I found one quote when Gord was asked about this song. He said this was an interview in 2004,. He said this one asks the question evil in the open or evil just below the surface? That was his comment about this song. So it's like this song to me was super mysterious Yeah, super mysterious song which I fucking love, like I don't need literal storytelling every single song you know. Social themes, i don't know all these different things, i don't need that. Every single song I love you know kind of the knuckleball that comes in. You're like whoa okay, this is reeling me back in to the album in a good way, a way that I'm looking for, you know, i'm hoping for, but still, again, this one felt a little bit odd, man, just the way it fits into the album. They've done this before. They've gotten. 0:43:15 - Speaker 4 They lose green man. 0:43:16 - Speaker 3 Yeah, they've gone on this path of like okay, this one, now we're going to turn off the highway and head down this two-lane road and we're going to stop at this farm and we're going to have an afternoon barbecue with this family, and you know, i don't know, like it's just this one's off the highway. 0:43:35 - Speaker 1 Cool. What do you guys think of the bridge? It makes my arm hair stand up That night in Toronto with the checkerboard floors. There's a bar in Toronto that's famous legendary in fact called the Horseshoe and that references the Horseshoe, the checkerboard floors. Oh shit, that's one of the first big gigs they played in Toronto. 0:43:55 - Speaker 4 Can I get taken to that bar when I come visit Toronto? 0:43:57 - Speaker 1 Absolutely. Let's do it. Sure shit hopes so man. 0:44:00 - Speaker 4 That would be cool. This song is actually the most listened to hip song on Spotify. 0:44:07 - Speaker 1 Oh, wow Yeah. 0:44:09 - Speaker 3 Surpasses. I read something about that as well. 0:44:13 - Speaker 4 What was the one that it surpassed? 0:44:16 - Speaker 1 I can't remember Anyway yeah Well, so it's a hit all around Pop Cage. 0:44:21 - Speaker 3 Yeah, it was a fucking interesting song, right? This is. 0:44:25 - Speaker 1 So we shift gears now in a well, not in a huge way, because this is sort of low tempo or slower tempo. We go to Thompson Girl and you're both hesitating to start Thompson Girl. 0:44:41 - Speaker 4 Go ahead Tim. 0:44:42 - Speaker 3 Yeah, well, you know what's the story about here. I don't know. It's the story potentially about where is it here, This town in Manitoba, thompson, yeah, or it's. You know it's potentially about a nickel mining company up there. You know it's got this kind of sweet, forlorn grunt work somewhere between dream and duty, poking through with all them shoots of beauty. I mean, what is that about? You know, this is kind of a cute, in a way stripped down acoustic song. There's some banjo in there. You know, i've kind of been waiting for, I had been waiting for this type of stripped down, simpler song that you know it's kind of this forlorn, sad song to me at the same time. 0:45:42 - Speaker 1 Probably Pete. 0:45:44 - Speaker 4 I loved it. I thought it was cool. I think I don't know if it's consistent with you and I, tim, but like I really try not to look too deep into the lyrics because oftentimes I'm disappointed, that's why I don't do it. I know you do it a lot more than I do I totally do. 0:46:03 - Speaker 3 I mean it's because of Gord, like Gord Gord. for me, gord merits it. 0:46:09 - Speaker 4 I get intrigued though, but like dude so does. I mentioned Celie Daner earlier. Like Donald Fagan's lyrics are notoriously cool as fuck. But have you ever asked that guy like what he you know what's, what's the meaning of? you know Dr Woo or whatever, like he'll be, like I don't know man, we're on so much cocaine. Back in the day I was just getting shipped to prime or whatever you know like, and I know that's not really the case here. But that line, the way he goes up so high with grunt work, i can't. I'm not even gonna fucking try lest I fucking destroy your listener base JD by singing that line. But when he goes grunt work time between dream and duty the melody is so fucking good It's then there's a part. Um, i don't know if it's like, i don't know, i wouldn't call it the bridge, but it is a bit of a some sort of key change to the regular chord progression. When he goes really high and then the mandolin starts to come in fucking dug that. And then the piano kind of comes in at the end as well, it's fucking cool. I really dig it. Yeah, i liked it First. I didn't like it. I didn't like the chord progression. It just seemed to like, like you said, tim, acoustic. It's sending, like it was like this should be an acoustic song. 0:47:30 - Speaker 3 Keep it that way. Yeah, yeah. But then it grew on me real quick, which is maybe something I would potentially envision. From a stuck in the studio couple days, you know, you'd get to a point to where everybody's kind of burned out and you pick up the acoustic and somebody says to the piano and you talk about is it INCO, inco and the fucking nickel mining, and I, you know, i looked at it a little bit into that in Manitoba and was like, oh geez, here's, here's a historical. You know, just rabbit hole that I can't go down right now. But it just this, to me, is just one of those, one of those songs that fits in well with this whole album And it's something we haven't really had in the past. So it's kind of happy to hear it. Next one membership Who's who's singing backups Somebody found, is it Gord Is? 0:48:28 - Speaker 1 it Gord over. Usually it's Paul Angla, usually Well. 0:48:32 - Speaker 3 I don't think it's Paul. It might be doubled. If you, if you go in and listen again, check out membership and listen to the backups, because it sounds like a woman to me and it sounds really familiar, like I've heard this voice before And I've looked and looked and looked but I can't find anything. It might be one of the guys, just you know, editing it in post or something, i don't know. But there's, there's some beautiful backup happening. This one, though you know it's wasn't my favorite on the album, i'm not going to put it on the playlist There's kind of a big change after the three minute mark with, like this new chorus. Of course it has my fade out at the end. You know there's there's kind of this bigger start to the song, but it's kind of slow in a way. I don't know. It's maybe about addiction, it's kind of a ballad. you know this, this one, it just felt like it didn't really fit in, didn't really wasn't really sure how it was working and it it made me consider you know I've done this a few times that it made me consider the band and what they were feeling you know they're coming in on 2000 here What they were feeling after 10 years, which is long for any band to retain some amount of success 10 years of playing and predominantly being popular in their home country and not even gaining a huge you know the level they deserved in the neighboring USA. So this this kind of made me think about all those things. I just didn't know if it was like about power abuse of power addiction or longing loss, i don't know. This song was kind of all over the map for me, but ultimately the chorus bugged me and it stuck in my head for a little while. I was like, oh, i need, i need some other, i need some other hip song stuck in my head and that's kind of where, honestly, that's where, like blow a high dough, just comes and takes over my brain. So that's what happened. 0:50:50 - Speaker 4 on membership, I you know I have a ton to say about this song. It's kind of like I put in the same categories Poets. It wasn't my favorite song in the record. I liked it, felt it like it was a very drone rock with a chord progression. It's the way it sounded. I love the harmonies. Tim mentioned the harmonies being drawn along by it. Like that line with the harmonies come in The middle, guitar solo where they kind of tease you with the guitar solo helps build the song kind of cool. But then, yeah, the fade out at the end is just like to me. It felt like they maybe didn't have, they didn't nail everything down with this one. That's all I'll say, you know, but yeah we can move on if you want, let's slide over to fireworks. 0:51:46 - Speaker 7 You like fireworks? Yeah, me neither. The frustrating part Never back in old 72 Without school, just a gun, without a gun or trigger. I don't remember a reason. Set me sight of you. You said I couldn't get a fuck about the party. Never heard something true back before You held my hand. We were on the long way Loosing in my grip on Bobby Moore. Never heard anything wrong before I blushed. When these ever sensations get in your way, no doubt this shit me spurred right now By your shoulder, and that an amazing what you can't accomplish now I'm not together every single moment. That's what we thought. We'd be married. We both do deep with the grip of art, of fish chaos, believing in the country, me and you. Christ has a faith in Christ, the sinner cramming Yeah, we've heard all this before It's winter time. The house is solid to the bones, loosing in our grip on this fake cold war. Is it an amazing and a better accomplish When we don't let no nation get in our way? No doubt this shit me spurred right now By your shoulder, and that an amazing what you can't accomplish now, next to your comrades in the nation of fitness, the program regarding some eternal past time, clopping to the mind in a fit of laughter, showing no patience, no tolerance, no respect By your words, next to the distance, contemplating towering, towering star By your words. And in late, never, till there are no stars anymore By your words. And in, straight in heaven, contemplating towering, towering star, till there are no stars shining up in heaven, till there are no stars anymore. Isn't it an amazing and a better accomplish When we don't let no nation get in our way? No doubt this shit me spurred right now By your brand of error, shining up in heaven, contemplating towering, towering star. I think this one thing never goes away And this ones thing's always supposed to stop. Oh, this funny thing doesn't have to go away, and I'm gonna lie. 0:55:41 - Speaker 4 Oh fuck, How much time you got, then Fucking song, this song, i just have the word. It's this fucking rush, rush, rush, rush, rush. Just so much rush in this song. Really, there's a couple of rush references on this record and this is number one. I would say that is it. Gord Sinclair, yeah, so like and I think he would agree with me, because I don't know that I don't know any bass player in Canada, let alone the entire world, would put them up against Geddy Lee. So I can't like, true, Like. I don't think the bass in this song was supremely rushed, but the chord progression, the structure of the song, the lyrics, isn't it amazing? anything's accomplished Is fucking. It's so fucking dude, it's fucking rush, completely Fucking. It's like they should have just made a record with one song on it and sent it to Rush and been like this is for you guys, we love you guys. And dude, i'm not saying anything remotely like they jocked anything. It's an homage in the sweetest sense. It's fucking beautiful. I fucking listened to the song so many times. There's I don't know if he's playing a Les Paul or a Hamer Rob Baker, but it's got some hollow tone electric guitar. There's a line in there Christ in the Kremlin. I'm fucking. The words in this song are fucking spectacular. I bet it just destroyed. Destroyed. The crowd live Like. I mean if they played this fucking live you'd have to close with this or I don't know what you'd play with this. I mean it's just fuck. What's the other line Next year? comrades in the National Fitness Program caught in some external flex arm hang dropping the mat. Dude the lot. This that the way he speeds up that verse and fits all those fucking words into that, and then he goes back to the normal cadence, like when I say cadence I mean like the tempo, not a modal cadence, but like tempo. He goes back to that. I just bet when they, when they all listened to this track after it was mixed, or they all recorded everything, they all just fucking high-fived and hugged each other and had a big old fucking circle 100% Yeah. Dude, it's a fucking. It's one of my favorite fucking hip songs period. 0:58:23 - Speaker 3 Oh, you know what they. You know what they said after they recorded this. They were like this is going to be an every jukebox across Canada. I mean, it's a jukebox song. I mean, really, this is like play something by the tragically hip. Okay, i'm at the jukebox. Stick in a quarter. Oh, here's fireworks. Everybody loves this song. You know, that's that's. I couldn't agree more, pete. I just felt like this could be put on a seven inch only and out in the world. You know it was one of the first songs in a while where, like, i immediately just started snapping my fingers. It was like, okay, this, this song's, this song's moving. I completely agree with the rush references I love. I so identified with this girl. There was actually a girl who said she didn't give a fuck about hockey. I never heard a girl swear and I've never heard someone say that before. It was like there was some whole other world out there which is hard to fathom at times. I don't follow hockey. I totally identify with this. When I go on Facebook and it's like near the weekend it's mostly fucking NFL comments from people I know in Southern California. It's like, god damn, i wish I had a sports filter on my life because I don't really follow any sports. So the hockey the hockey comment, i was like yes, i, i want to hang out with you, let's go drink beers. You know, i probably follow that. It's whatever I just I just identify with that part, it's. You know this, though, you're right, pete, isn't it amazing you could do anything when the notion isn't in your way, believing in the country of me, and you, ah, you know, it's just, it's, it's, this is, it's more. It's more than an anthem. 1:00:17 - Speaker 4 You know, the crazy is so it's so, Getty Lee, though man. 1:00:21 - Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. What's? 1:00:24 - Speaker 4 this, it's, it's spirit of the radio. Okay. That's the song thing you have in so many ways. Yeah, i mean, and I don't think any musician in the band would say like they can you know drum? like Neil Pert? I think the guitar is pretty. It's got some solid Alex life and vibes. like you could fucking compare that guitar wise. but like bass and drums, you can't fucking come close to those, like it's just. but sorry, tim, i didn't mean to interrupt you, but it's just a fucking. 1:00:55 - Speaker 3 That's good. Good, it's such a JD. What JD, what? what were your thoughts on the song? Do you have, do you have memories of hearing the song, or anything, or like? 1:01:03 - Speaker 1 I think it's, I think it's a romantic song, Like. I think it's like the firework of like meeting somebody that is just, you know, absolutely the sparkle of your eye, you know, sort of thing. The context, to give you some context, the goal that he's talking about, the goal that everyone remembers, is when Canada beat the Soviets in 1972. And that was, that was during the Cold War. So it was a big deal, that series, Canada playing hockey against Russia. you know a few games here in Canada and a few games in Moscow. It was a big deal, Like for these Canadian hockey players to go to Russia. Like at that time Russia was so mysterious And there was a very famous goal that won the series by Paul Henderson that everyone remembers. It's one of those moments in Canada, the, if you're of the right age or generation I'm not, I'm born in 74. So it's over my head, But if you were there then it's one of those like you know where you were moments. you know what I mean. 1:02:10 - Speaker 3 It's huge huge moment in sports history. 1:02:13 - Speaker 1 So for him to be just blown away. Like you know, loosening my grip on Bobby Orr, like I just picture, the 16 year old who's in love with Bobby Orr has the hockey cards on the wall, you know, he's just tremendous and all of a sudden he just oh, there's girls out there. Oh, and there's this particular girl who doesn't give a fuck about what, like whoa fireworks, you know. 1:02:40 - Speaker 3 Yeah, great song, Great song. This. yeah, I could have had this song, you know, and had a satisfied meal and went to bed. 1:02:49 - Speaker 1 You and your food All right. Go next to vapor trails. 1:02:58 - Speaker 3 So vapor trails, like I started this one and paused and had to come back to it, i didn't keep going like this, this, this, this was one of the breaks. And now for me, where I was like, okay, i'm not, either not in it enough or not focused enough, let's come back to it and didn't hold your attention. He would not not at the get go, but eventually it did. Oh, eventually it did bring me in. It totally was one of those songs that I wasn't so sure about, but over time was like humming it while walking around the house. You know, there's just to me it has some mysticism to it. There's this mysterious not to say it again but backup singer, whoever is in there. I mean there's some really good backup singing happening, but I just love some of the lyrics. There's nothing uglier than a man hitting a stride. 1:04:00 - Speaker 1 What a great lyric, right Dude And just the way he says it as well. There's nothing uglier than a man hitting a stride, yeah. 1:04:09 - Speaker 3 I can't wait to use that some point in life. You know, watching something happen, yeah, chords, use that line, throw away the rudder, float away, like they portrayals. You know, i get this. It's like, it's this feeling of like giving up. You know, at some point we all, everyone, i think everyone has contemplated, you know, life being different or serious change, or giving up, or you know, we've all had these heavy times in our lives and maybe the song kind of hits on that. There's amazing guitar riffing just towards four minute mark. It felt, you know, just to kind of wrap it up. For me it felt like a produced ending. You know, the fade out was like it wasn't just let's wrap the song up, let's just fade it out, it was like let's produce the fade out. So it was a little, i don't know a little more, a little more orchestrated. But yeah, it's, this song is. This song was a banger. I think it was really good for the spot in the album. I think it was like really fitting. 1:05:27 - Speaker 1 Yeah, because we're well into the second side now. Yeah yeah. Second track, second side, if you're playing by those roles, It has a good place, good place in the album. What do you think of APR Trail's Pete? 1:05:39 - Speaker 4 Well, this is the other thing that I thought was it's not. It's not a Rush reference, but I actually think there's a possibility that Rush's 2001 record Vapor 12, vapor Trails was perhaps, maybe, an homage to Tragically Hip. Wow, i don't know, that's my, that's my in my dream world. I don't know if that's really true, but and I saw them on that tour and they were fucking just amazing. Saw them at the Irvine Meadows man. 1:06:18 - Speaker 1 Such a great show. 1:06:19 - Speaker 4 Never saw. 1:06:20 - Speaker 1 Rush. I was supposed to see Rush on a tour in 93 and guess who was opening for them? Who, tragically Hip Jesus Christ. Wow, on Road Apples. Yeah, dude. 1:06:30 - Speaker 4 I don't know what's a bigger fail That or not partying with them. 1:06:34 - Speaker 1 Oh God, it's the, that's the, that's the fail. 1:06:36 - Speaker 3 They're close. Not partying, I think. 1:06:39 - Speaker 4 Well, we, let's put it this way, we, we, we showed to that concert, i think, and they were they, we were at that time. It's strange, real quick, because I know. but during that time, because 2001 was coming out of the Napster years and years, right And into, like I think it was right where the iPods came out, um, so people started buying music online again, sort of. So bands didn't have money to pay for opening bands during that time, so a lot of bands would tour and be like who's opening? And like there's nobody opening. So we assumed that somebody was opening, for Rush happened to me with pavement one time, but that's another story Um, and we walked, we're, we're racing through the parking lot Because we hear a spirit of the radio, but right into Red Bar Chat after that and just fucking made my, made my life. But to the song. Paper Trails. Um, the fucking vocal melody in the opening verse same. I got the same cadence, Tim. I don't know if you mentioned this as Thompson girl. Um, but the song I loved it. I imagine when they sung this song live, that when Gord sings the line you can throw away the rudder. He probably blows out either part of the low end or part of the mid end frequencies in the fucking speakers at this this, this house, his voice is just at that frequency where, if he really punches it like he could, he could break. He could break some fucking windows, because it's, it's just fucking just the way he delivers that shit. Throw away the rudder, um, uh, what else? Yeah, just that line to me was worth buying the fucking record. Pulled the car over. There's nothing uglier. Yeah. Then a man hitting his stride. Yeah, there's a transition from the bridge back to the chord progression. That's super abrupt And it's so cool because there's no transition. It's just like boom, boom, they go right back into the chord progression and it's fucking cool. I'm not, can't think of any band that I've heard do that. And then the last thing is the line, and it's it's. It's maybe Rob Baker, i don't know who's singing the backup, but Mexicans dressed in beige shirts Crazy line, yeah. 1:09:16 - Speaker 1 Yeah, I've never heard that Mexicans dressed in beige shirts. 1:09:19 - Speaker 4 It's. It's like almost whispered. 1:09:25 - Speaker 3 Wow references you know references, folks who spend their life picking the strawberries and raspberries. 1:09:31 - Speaker 1 We, i believe, Yeah, I would guess so. 1:09:37 - Speaker 3 I believe it does So yeah. 1:09:39 - Speaker 4 Are we going to? 1:09:40 - Speaker 1 rules. You got it, dude. 1:09:48 - Speaker 4 I love the song. It was so fucking cool and so chill. This starts out with those huge cymbal crashes in the beginning. This is the second song in the record that references a pedestrian crossing, talks about a crossing guard not doing their job. 1:10:04 - Speaker 1 So yeah, it's really reference of and the second reference of super farmer. Uh-huh Right. 1:10:11 - Speaker 3 In that same in that same Stan's line. Got some agricultural themes happening. Probably the third agricultural theme. 1:10:21 - Speaker 4 Yeah, I don't know I just the phrasing was beautiful. I'm wondering what a bard is. B-a-r-d. 1:10:28 - Speaker 3 There's a couple of references with that. One is it has to do with a Shakespeare reference. 1:10:35 - Speaker 1 That's what I thought, yeah. 1:10:36 - Speaker 3 Yeah, and then the other one is I'm not going to butcher it, the other one has to do with fighting. I have to look it up. 1:10:46 - Speaker 1 Let's just go with Shakespeare. 1:10:48 - Speaker 3 Yeah, it's some Shakespeare reference. 1:10:52 - Speaker 4 And then to the line about the vacuum's got a guarantee. I just that line hooked me in so much because it was so random that I was like really in just pay super close attention to what he said. And the next line that he delivers, which is it could suck a virus, an ancient virus from the sea, is like what the like again put on the hat, put on your jacket, close the briefcase. Fucking. Done your job today. 1:11:23 - Speaker 1 Leave the office, gordon, that's right Punch out or whatever. 1:11:27 - Speaker 4 The whole, that whole stand is fucking amazing. There's a table slide And then oh, by the way, this song, and fuck, there was one other song. God damn this song. and one other song at the record. on the record It's earlier. I want to say it may be something on or say the planet. at the very end of it You hear the word somebody in the studio is cool. Yeah, so it doesn't feel so and there was one other two, one other song on the record that they did, so I was like they did that twice. 1:12:05 - Speaker 1 That's cool. I'm going to need access to your premium sound system. 1:12:10 - Speaker 4 Well, I mean GD, that's. We know this is not stuff we just hand on. It's kind of like you know top secret Clarence, There's a lot involved, A lot of screaming All right, all right, all right. 1:12:22 - Speaker 3 He passed. He's done it. Yes, true, yes, we're adjourning my current, for he's had it. Yeah, i heard the song and I thought Pete loves this song so much And when we come talk about it on the pod it's going to be all Pete. 1:12:43 - Speaker 1 You know how much to say. 1:12:44 - Speaker 3 I thought it was kind of a yonder. I got you know some, some from it, But you know I was like this. The song isn't for me. I thought it was kind of a yonder. I was going to leave it to Pete. 1:12:58 - Speaker 1 We're going to come back in a year because it's going to be a grower for you. I guarantee this song will be a grower for you. 1:13:04 - Speaker 3 If it's not, you guys both have to buy me beers. I can live with that, Yeah, yeah. 1:13:11 - Speaker 1 Okay. Well then let's slide into Sugar and Falls Ohio. 1:13:15 - Speaker 4 Take it Timbo. 1:13:17 - Speaker 3 Yeah, so Sugar and Falls. So this song I thought was basically a huge fuck off to corporate man, to the man. I thought this is like. This song is driving some culture into the fan base. It's probably, you know, was played a lot on the radio. I thought this one you know I could be wrong, but this song to me felt like on the verge of angry a little bit more than usual. I'd maybe really wonder about it live, if this got more raucous, if it got a little bit more I don't know violent feeling. And I think it's because it thematically, which is where I'm going to go, not so much with music on this one, but thematically it Sugar and Falls, in my research. That's the headquarters of Clear Channel, which at the time Clear Channel Corporation was slowly taking over media, especially North America. Yeah, so that's a lot of the references to Grand Falls. You know where the unknown won't even go. Because at this point I mean that line to me says if you're an artist and you're trying to make it like, avoid your Grand Falls, avoid Clear Channel, you know, be careful with what radio you're sending your tapes to your CDs to like this. This is that song that is kind of the band's shout to the world of, you know, corporate media is taking over the airwaves, you know, be aware So that that to me the song has like a mission. It felt like the first time I listened to it. When I got to you know, three quarters, two thirds of the way through, i thought is this song like over five minutes? you know it felt long, but it didn't feel long in a bad way, like it felt like a good, just a really well written song. Like I was kind of digging through Grand Falls, it felt like a five minute song, but it's not a five minute song. I didn't look up live versions of it but I definitely want to find something. 1:15:47 - Speaker 1 Yeah, get the answers to your questions. I can't, unfortunately, answer because I saw them on that tour and I don't remember if they played it, but I can't. 1:15:57 - Speaker 3 It was somewhat rare. I feel like it was probably going to be a rare rarely. 1:16:01 - Speaker 1 Yeah, it would be one that would be, you know, gosh. Well, let me just quickly look up how many times they played it. 1:16:09 - Speaker 3 I mean for people that don't know, Clear Channel took over corporate. I mean took over FM radio. Over time, like so many stations became Clear Channel stations and became programmed. And I remember hearing the transition because, as a big radio listener, being bored in 71, you know, i listened to radio for like 20 years, 15 at least, 20 years and they just completely took over And I remember hearing DJs demeanor changing from independent radio station to now being put into this box And I feel like that's what the band is trying to talk about in this song And I think it's their fuck you to this corporate system of being in a band and trying to make it and just to inspire people to be independently minded. 1:17:08 - Speaker 4 Yeah, it's funny you mentioned Clear Channel only because I want to talk about the song, because I feel a little bit different about the song in some ways than you do, tim, and it's funny, like Tim, i didn't do fucking a pubic here. The research you did for this fucking song. I had to look up where Chagrin Falls was but, and I dug it. But yeah, that's when there used to be a great station in classic rock station in LA called Arrow 93. And they went over to that Jack. You know that Jack format Jack FM, which is just, it's just a guy who like record something and it's like a cheesy line and he comes in every every three or four songs and says something There's no DJ, it's just, it's just music, that's, you know, topping the charts that day and it fucking sucks. It's why radio is dead. But the song itself Huge, huge again. Alanis, beginning that fucking downbeat, the way the song starts, i thought it's crazy. you said it's not, it wasn't something. they went to live a lot because I thought this song would have fucking killed life. Maybe because the because of the subject matter they thought, oh remember, being too political, people aren't going to be into it. But the fucking song is the internal Mel. There's this weird thing going on with these. There's these internal melodies in the song where there's like it's not like harmonies, it's like two different melodies going on like DNA, and it wraps up to make this fucking beautiful code. that is the song. And there's a record. I don't know if it's a record scratch or he's scratching like the low E string of the guitar. Did you hear that? I mean, could have been the premium sound system in the car, which I'm willing to bet that it is in the line. Could have been the Willie, but no, there's definitely some record scratching or some sort of scratching that goes on in the song. 1:19:16 - Speaker 3 I'll try to catch that. 1:19:19 - Speaker 4 The no profound sound that build and then his voice gets all fucking echoey And then really got some Jerry Cantrell vibes from the fucking the harmonies in there from Allison Chains, like just I don't know if that was who was doing the harmonies on that one. 1:19:37 - Speaker 1 But super high, super cool, fucking again. Typically it's Paul, typically like early on it's Gord Sinclair, but then later on it becomes Paul. I looked up the show that I saw it was the one that I saw in Hamilton. It was Saturday, July 4th 1998. They played the entirety of Phantom Power. They played 21 songs on the show, The entirety of Phantom Power. They did play Sugar and Falls. It was the third time they'd ever played it and they played it a total of 127 times. To put that in perspective for you New Orleans is sinking. They played 831 times. 100th Meridian they played 756 times. 1:20:20 - Speaker 3 Head by essentially 693. 1:20:22 - Speaker 1 So, yeah, definitely a rarer song. 1:20:25 - Speaker 3 Okay, that's crazy, cool, cool, All right. Do you remember hearing Sugar and Falls on the radio? Was it a radio? 1:20:35 - Speaker 1 No, it was not, it wasn't a single. This next track was a single, though, and that's strange to me It's strange, Really Yeah me too. Same here 5 minutes, 5 minutes, 52 seconds, that's a long. That's a long ass single. 1:20:50 - Speaker 3 It is, but I love it. The first time I heard this was another one I got to and I was like, ah, save it for later. I'm getting to this point, pete, you talked about this or drinking a lot of hip kool-aid, you know it's like. Oh my God, i'm starting to burp here a little bit And Escape is at the hand of the Trav for the Travel of Man and I got to it and I thought, okay, 5 minute song, i'm at the end, let's just see what Emperor Penguin's all about. But I, of course, came back to it and I came back to it and I came back to it and I thought Travel of Man song. I thought this song could be like its own book. I was at the hand of the Travel of Man. Oh, you're going to play two more. I'll play two more, nice. Welcome to Escape Center Trav of Man. 1:21:58 - Speaker 6 Someone was written down after meeting a gentleman named Jalison. He brought out a man called Material Issue out of Chicago And we met up with a CMJ conference back in the day in New York. You know like nine vans a night And they were on just before us and he was really sick with the cold and they'd driven all night in the van And he was planning on sleeping in the van that night in the cold And Paul and I invited him up tomorrow to stay and he did And we never saw him again And we already died. A few years ago. We wrote this song, Jalison. 1:23:06 - Speaker 7 It was our third time in New York, your fourth time in New York. We were fifth, sixth on the bill. We talked a little about your band. We talked a little about your future plans. It's not like we were best friends. The number scheme comes back to me. Time to be on, and part B. We hung around till the final band. They're called escape as a hand, the traveling man, the building my air. This music speaks to me. Once they launched into lonely, from rock and roll, from a bad day, checked out an hour ago, closing with all desires turned concrete, those melodies come back to me. Time to be on. And part B Jalison till the slow, jalison till the slow. But you said anytime. All the devil's mind. You said anytime. Jalison till the slow. I walked through your revolving door, got no answer up in 704. The elevator gave a long moon. The pigeons sacked the wire with their weight. Listening to the singing chamber maid, she sang. they checked out an hour ago. The melody may cease to be. Time to be on. and part B. 1:26:20 - Speaker 5 Jalison till the slow, jalison till the slow. But you said anytime. 1:26:40 - Speaker 7 Jalison till the slow, but you said anytime. Jalison till the slow, but you said anytime. Jalison till the slow. 1:27:57 - Speaker 3 Jalison till the slow, but you said anytime Jalison till the slow, but you said anytime. Jalison till the slow, but you said anytime. Jalison till the slow, but you said anytime. Jalison till the slow. What else It's about building that? 1:29:46 - Speaker 1 What do you think of that? Like all these bands and all these songs that this band has created. Like I want a cover band to come out or we should do a pod list for this podcast, but you have to be one of these bands mentioned in this song and the song that you write has to be one of the songs that like somebody needs to write. They checked out an hour ago. Yeah, like what is that song? 1:30:11 - Speaker 3 Yeah. Like that overall it's kind of a heartbreaking song. Yeah. But you know it was one that I for this album. It was one of the few that I kind of went back and dove into and went back and dove into and really dug Like it could have. In a way the album could have ended here for me. 1:30:33 - Speaker 1 Okay. 1:30:34 - Speaker 3 Tell us It's good Yeah. 1:30:38 - Speaker 4 Yeah, i mean I think Tim said most of it. I really like the line. it's not like we were best friends. Yeah, it's just fucking. it's a sad tune. It kind of kills me a little bit. 1:30:53 - Speaker 3 Yeah. 1:30:54 - Speaker 4 You know thinking about what this song, who this song is referring to and like he killed himself, correct, he committed suicide. Right, right, right. I like the tune. I thought it was. The word play was awesome. I love the keyboards in it. I kind of feel the same way as it, like this would have been a good one to end it on, but you know you said most of it, tim. I'll leave it there. I'll leave it there. 1:31:26 - Speaker 3 Yeah, i love that. 1:31:28 - Speaker 1 You guys are killing me here. I want to hear what you love, and then I'll go back to what I was going to say. 1:31:33 - Speaker 3 No, i was just going to kind of wrap on my end with the fact that I love how this song made me think about relationships Maybe think about relationships that I have, that you know I would love to make stronger and add, give more time to, but it kind of fucking doesn't matter. You know, like it reminds me of people I know that I could hang out with tomorrow or I could hang out with them in like 20 years, and it, like I said, it reminds me of meeting, meeting artists who I adore. You know there was a there's this club in Portland. I was at um sing, some bands play and I'm standing there in line in the keyboardist of the band to stand in front of me And I don't know a ton about this person. But you know it just got to the point where it's like what the fuck do you say to somebody who you kind of adore and you know a little bit about? and in essence it kind of doesn't matter if you're not really going to see them again. You know it's just the song left like this feeling of space that would continue on and you could leave it behind and come back to, which I think is pretty fucking cool to do that in a written form of art is fucking cool. 1:32:51 - Speaker 4 You know I gotta give you an answer to that. Like what do you say? cause I've been in that position too, Tim, and honestly I know it sounds stupid and simple, And you know whether it's a specific record or it's the newest record that you came out, that just came out, that you're seeing them on the tour with whoever it is. Just look and dead in the fucking eye and be like I really dug this new record, I really love your music, man, It's just thanks for making it. And you say that shit, Like dude, it's better than any cheeky fucking thing you could think of or like plan or whatever. You'll just make their day Cause like that's, that's why people make music, man, Anybody who says they make music for themselves is full of fucking shit. man, Yeah, I make music myself. I don't care if anybody hears it Fuck you man. Yeah, that's funny. 1:33:45 - Speaker 3 That's why you know what I did in that moment in Portland at that club is I had this stupid numerology app on my phone and I opened it up and I was like Hey, when's your birthday? She turns around and she's like you want to do some numerology thing, don't you? And I said yeah, and so she gave me her birthday and I was like we went into it and we fucking played around with. the queue to get into the bathroom was long and we played around on this app and laughed at each other and, like pointed out personality traits that we love and hate about each other. 1:34:20 - Speaker 1 That is a story that turned out way different than I thought it was going to be. Yeah, Dude, I mean I was like a little bit drunk. 1:34:28 - Speaker 3 Yeah, i was. But I was like you know what do I? I'm not going to stand here for five minutes and tell this woman how much I loved her last album. I was like we got to pass some time while we stand here doing the wee wee dance. 1:34:41 - Speaker 4 What's your favorite? jelly Strawberry More. 1:34:45 - Speaker 1 My daughter was having this discussion this morning because she doesn't like grape jelly. Oh, and I was like oh. I was like, oh, that's terrible, all right, we're, we're, we're searing clear of what is my favorite song on the record. 1:35:00 - Speaker 3 Oh. 1:35:01 - Speaker 1 Emperor. 1:35:02 - Speaker 3 Penguin. 1:35:03 - Speaker 1 So let's hear it, fellas, you know. let's hear everything that you've done wrong here. 1:35:08 - Speaker 3 Well, let's raise a glass of milk to the end of another album review. 1:35:14 - Speaker 4 Yeah. 1:35:15 - Speaker 3 Well done, Tim. He says to the end of the day. You know, it's funny. when I heard that lyric, let's raise a glass of milk to the end of another day. It reminded me of this comedian, this, this bit I heard, and this guy was like ladies, if you are ever out on a first date and you're off to dinner with some guy and he orders a glass of milk with dinner, run, run as fast as you can, And that's, you know, raise a glass of milk. It just reminded me that I started laughing. 1:35:41 - Speaker 4 Right, you need a cluck of orange. 1:35:43 - Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure. You know there there was, I guess, not whole lot to say on the song. I sorry JD, i felt it was maybe out of the whole album kind of the cheesiest one, cheesy. Yeah, even the ending. Even the ending is like really. Like. 1:36:06 - Speaker 4 I just this one, this one, yeah, maybe I could Welcome to getting hip, hip to the hip with my friend Pete, and that's it, yeah. 1:36:18 - Speaker 3 Next next episode JD's like so um Tim died. No he's no longer. 1:36:27 - Speaker 1 Everybody's entitled to an opinion, even if it's Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:36:30 - Speaker 3 I love the whole Emperor Penguin references, which I kind of knew. Um, you know, this is again where the band hits on like gender equality and all things around. that, if you guys don't know, emperor Penguins, like the female lays the eggs and she dips, she's like she's out, like the male kind of does the work, um, and if she doesn't return and help sustain the nest now and then like everybody dies. you know it's, it's yeah. So this this was a familiar, metaphorically kind of fun, but at the same time I was like all right what's the next album we're going to hear? That's kind of where I went. That's kind of where I went with this whole album, i was like, okay, i really wonder what the next album is going to be like. 1:37:15 - Speaker 1 I'm so curious too Yeah. 1:37:17 - Speaker 3 All right. 1:37:18 - Speaker 4 Pete what'd you think? Well, JD, give me the, give me the skinny man, Lay some pipe for me real quick. Tell me what. Uh, tell me what you think. Why is it? why is it your favorite, Please? 1:37:28 - Speaker 1 I don't know. I love the way it builds. I love the way it builds, um, i love. You know, like, leaving the. You know the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. You know, like, leading up to the, to the, to the chorus. Sorry to interrupt your color, but that's a physical impossibility. I love his phrasing. His phrasing is just magnificent in this. Don't wipe your asses with your sleeves. Your crust was just incredible. The radio was edible. The lyric and the phrasing and the structure of them, i just think, are like divine, like wonderful. And it's also a song in a key that I can sing. So I love to sing it And I've sung it before. Um, nice, you know it's, it's uh lovely. I love the slide on the way out. 1:38:12 - Speaker 4 Yeah, It's a fucking. I like the song. This song I think his voice sounds the most raw on, like when I have the headphones on. Yeah, it felt like he was sitting right next to me singing this song I was like kind of gave chills. Right, it's very sparse, it's very much so. And then your, your comments and your, you know, love for the phrasing, huge, huge, huge. And if you disagree with me then fuck it. It'll be the JD and fucking Tim show next week. but Joni Mitchell vibes for the phrasing the way he like. listen to some Joni Mitchell dude and how she squeezes so much shit into some, you know, into a single measure. And that's what I got from this song. Yeah, yeah. There's a volume build that's huge in it that I love. The only issue I take with this song is that I really get the vibe that Gord Downey didn't believe in aliens And that fucking blows. That breaks my heart Like it just fucking does, dude. I'm a huge, huge believer and you know I just I was like really man Cause I think like you know what and you know what. 1:39:28 - Speaker 1 Oh, i picture that being like a reference to what's his name. He used to. Then he used to do coast to coast or Bell or. George Ford, I take that. I take that as a reference to like them driving on the bus in the middle of the night and, like you know, hearing that. Sorry to interrupt you, caller, but you know what I mean. Like like a radio talk, a radio call in, show, right. 1:39:49 - Speaker 4 I, you know that makes sense. That makes sense Because, honestly, like I think about it too and, like you know, i'm not to get all existential here, but like I think about, like I'm not this, i'm a recovering Catholic, so I was raised Catholic but I'm not practicing anymore And I think about, like you know, maybe when you die you get to, like you get all the answers, maybe you get, maybe you go to another planet, this and that. And I'm thinking like you know, fucking. You know, i really wish Gord Downey was fucking around today So I can see them fucking live. But since he's not, i sure as shit hope that he's somewhere with aliens and the jokes on him and he fucking realizes that they actually do this because fucking and hopefully you're right, jd, that that's a reference, because otherwise this song just breaks my fucking heart, man Breaks my fucking heart. 1:40:43 - Speaker 1 Oh, i hope. I hope your heart doesn't remain broken. 1:40:45 - Speaker 4 Yeah, no, we'll repair it by next week All right? 1:40:49 - Speaker 1 Well, let's, let's cruise into the last segment of the show here The, the, the, the MVP song, the song that you're sticking on your playlist. What is it going to be there, Tim? 1:41:03 - Speaker 3 I suppose it's fireworks. 1:41:06 - Speaker 1 I was you're so reticent? Oh, is that because of the popcageon? 1:41:12 - Speaker 3 I mean, i was a fan of vapor trails. I suppose it's fireworks, though It's fireworks to me was like you know, perfect single. It's kind of a self self-help song or a caregiving song. Yeah, i can see, you know it's, it's just it. it checked a lot of boxes. I love also, just you know, kid from Southern California. I love the what the fuck hockey reference you know. So yeah, that one, that one was, that was it for me. 1:41:44 - Speaker 1 All right, Pete, I mean no question, no question fireworks. 1:41:48 - Speaker 4 It just gave me everything I wanted, every fucking thing I wanted to do. 1:41:55 - Speaker 1 Wow, that's amazing. 1:41:57 - Speaker 4 Just so good, what a fucking song. 1:41:59 - Speaker 1 I think this is the first time you guys have had the same song, right? 1:42:02 - Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, we're in sync. 1:42:04 - Speaker 4 Yeah, for sure. 1:42:06 - Speaker 3 I mean, if Emperor Penguin had like real alien area 51 references, I think Pete would have been all over that. 1:42:12 - Speaker 4 Right And it had. He said they actually do exist. I would have been like, sorry, if I worked, take a seat. 1:42:20 - Speaker 3 Hey, i have some other kind of facts to throw in here real quick, so all right. So when these guys started out, they sold a shit ton of albums and I think made some money pretty quickly, right? And then yeah, then each album thereafter was like a million ish record sold, which is pretty fucking cool, like that's a good job, you know, back in the 90s they're selling albums, they're making a buck or sell a piece On top of touring and doing these massive arenas across Canada or whatever. But it made me think, okay, how does the hip measure up? Maybe this is a bit for another pod, I don't know, jd, but it made me wonder how do they kind of measure up? Why did they? Why, or how, why not? Were they not killing it in the US? So I looked up other Canadian bands and one that came up was Men Without Hats. These guys had they were like a one hit wonder, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, we can dance if we want to blah, blah, blah. So they sold almost a million albums globally and 500,000 in the US. So basically, more than half of their albums they sold in the US, which is, i think, really interesting. The hip, for reference, sold around, didn't they sing? Safety Dance too, safety Dance, yes, safety Dance. That's the one. The hip sold like 8 million-ish, 8, 9 million, and about 10% of that was in the US. Not a whole lot. Bare-naked Ladies, conversely, who I've barely touched on in my life. Pardon the pun. Yeah, about almost 10 million albums, but 7.5 to the US. 1:44:21 - Speaker 1 Yeah, that's because of that record with one week. 1:44:23 - Speaker 3 Substantial Yeah Rush 40 million globally, 26 million to the US. Yeah, all these bands. 1:44:35 - Speaker 4 Bare-naked Ladies did a song called Brian Wilson. It's just so fucking good dude. 1:44:42 - Speaker 1 Yeah yeah, oh. 1:44:44 - Speaker 3 Arcade Fire. Okay, here's something a little more current Three million globally, a million to the US. These stats of globally which is how many went to the USA they don't correlate, they're not apples to apples, they don't drive with the hip And I think that is. I don't know. I just think it's something to note here. What the hell was it? Was it Clear Channel? I don't know What was going on. What was going on. So it's making me just still feel for the band and their lineage and their history, and I think I'll stop there because I'm going to save more for our finale. 1:45:27 - Speaker 1 Okay, cool. Well, fellas, it's been tremendous to hang out with you in this record, live in this space for the last hour and a bit Tremendous work, as always. I look forward to listening to the next record with you Music at work and we'll do that next week. You now have a week to listen to that and we'll reconvene next week. 1:45:49 - Speaker 3 Let's do it. 1:45:50 - Speaker 1 Sounds good. See you guys. Thank you. 1:45:52 - Speaker 3 Steve, see you guys. 1:45:54 - Speaker 1 Pick up your shit. 1:45:57 - Speaker 2 Thanks for listening to Getting Hip to the Hip. Please subscribe, share rate and review the show at GettingHiptotheHipcom. Find us on Twitter and Instagram at Getting Hip Pod And join our Facebook group at Facebookcom. Slash groups slash fully and completely. Questions or concerns. Email us at JD at GettingHiptotheHipcom. We'd love to hear from you.



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    Me and the boys discuss the songs Montreal, Radio Show, and Get Back Again. Enjoy



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  • We've had the bases loaded, twice!

    We're taking you on a journey through the Tragically Hip's live album, 'Live Between Us', which was released back in 1997. Our excitement leading up to its release was off the charts, and we're here to share that with you! We'll be dissecting some of the tracks on the album, such as 'Grace, too', 'Ahead By A Century', and 'Nautical Disaster'. Prepare to be immersed in the intimate connection between the band and their fans that this record so beautifully captures.

    In this episode, we dive deep into the recording process of 'Live Between Us', exploring the incredible energy of the show, and the role the audience played in the final product. Also, get ready for an insight into the potential impact a sax player could've had on the band's sound, as well as a fascinating anecdote about Dave Matthews' tour bus incident in Chicago. Plus, we'll delve into the tough decision faced by sax player David Manning – stay with the Hip or leave with his girlfriend?

    Finally, let's talk about the Tragically Hip's songwriting process and live performance dynamics. We'll discuss how the energy of the show and the crowd's reactions influenced their performances, and examine the live version of 'Fully Completely', which unlocked the song in a completely different way from the original recording. We'll also touch on the band's influences and listening habits, and how they incorporated lyrics from other bands into their set. So, join us as we unearth the magic of 'Springtime in Vienna' and the excitement its introduction caused among the crowd. You don't want to miss this!

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    0:00:00 - Speaker 1

    So, guys, this is Pete here. I'm coming to you with a very important message. Okay, this is serious stuff. I know we joke around a lot on the on the pod, but in all honesty, i'm asking for a favor. I need you to do yourselves a favor. I need you to do your family and friends a favor. I need you to do society as a whole favor. Go to getting hip to the hipcom, click on the bonus feed and join the bonus feed, because there's some pretty next level content or covering everything from geopolitics to UFOs and the tragically hit most importantly, but you're really not gonna want to miss it. So, again, do yourself a favor, do the next generation a favor. Okay, before you, before you focus on recycling and nobody cares about climate change, the more important thing is to join the bonus feed. Getting hip to the hipcom click bonus feed. 


    0:01:14 - Speaker 2

    You. 


    0:01:41 - Speaker 3

    A live hip record on May 2 for a weekend. What more could I have asked for? It was 1997 and I was getting ready to do my annual sojourn from Toronto back home to Waterford. The hip was still number one for me and this record was something I had been craving since having first seen them live. For some reason, though, it didn't scratch my itch the way I wanted it to. No matter how many times I spun the CD on my discman, i just couldn't get as excited about it as I did for a studio record. Were the hips so good live that it was impossible to capture the greatness in ones and zeros? I don't know, but what I can tell you is the album has aged extremely well and it's often something I go back to when I need a jolt that, for whatever reason, it didn't offer me back in 97. 


    Now, in this episode recorded before his untimely passing, we get into the late Davis Manning. So allow me to acknowledge that now. Rest in peace, davis. If you've been following along, you know how hungry Tim and Pete are for a live performance from the band. Although they'll never get to see them in person, the time is right to unleash live between us onto them? Will they eat it up the way I think they will? We'll find out today. on Getting Hip to the Hip. Long Sliced Brewery presents Getting Hip to the Hip. 


    If you've ever wondered what it would be like to hear the tragically hips music for the first time again, here's your chance. Join music fans Pete and Tim from Portland, who have never heard the band before, on a journey through the hips discography, accompanied by me, their guide, jd. Welcome to Getting Hip to the Hip. How's it going, guys? 


    0:03:56 - Speaker 5

    Going great, it's going good. 


    0:03:59 - Speaker 1

    Fantastic Couldn't be better. 


    0:04:01 - Speaker 5

    Glad to be back. 


    0:04:03 - Speaker 3

    Yeah, it is, it is. It's good to be back at it. Okay, before we get into things here, we are talking about the live record that everybody was really waiting for. You know, around the time it came out It was 1997. Everybody had heard that this was a really great band to see live and to experience live, and so we were all longing for, you know, a live record, and when it was announced we were really quite excited And I'm curious how you guys felt. But before we get into your feelings, let's take a look under the hood of this record. 


    This one was recorded live at Kobo Arena in Detroit, michigan, november 23rd 1996. It was released May 24th 1997 for the long weekend. Produced by the tragically hip and Mark Freakin. It clocks in at 70 minutes and 31 seconds and it was released on MCA. All Music gave this a 2.5 out of 5. And here's what they had to say about this. 


    The tragically hip, one of Canada's musical merry makers, are also praised for their raw, sweaty live performances. Frontman Gordon Downey is a real dynamo, lyrically and physically, and his bandmates only support the beautiful live chaos. With that aside, the hip treated fans with their first ever live album, live Between Us, recorded well. On tour in support of 1996's Trouble at the Henhouse, live Between Us documents one of the band's more ambitious evenings. Without any technical tweaking, a very loyal Detroit audience is captured at the sold out Kobo Arena and a very tight knit and fiery, tragically hip is in command. 


    The unity between the hip and their fans depicts something heavy. Downey's random improvising and loose poetic ramblings spark the intro of Grace 2. It creeps along with Johnny Faye's electric percussion and already Live Between Us is a steady, creatively stripped and vibrant. The emotional rage fully, completely sets up the rest of the record, particularly the relaxed ballad ahead by a century Layered backing vocals and plucking acoustics depict the hip's signature sincerity and the sneaky rock snippets of David Bowie's China Girl And the Beach Boys Don't Worry Baby midway through New Orleans' sink and flow without hesitance. 


    Most stunningly is his lyrical rant of Jane Sivarys' The Temple Near the End of the Taunting Nautical Disaster, which also includes a verse from the reaesthetics Bad Time to Be Poor. As a whole, the band is abrasive in a simplistic sense, making Live Between Us an intimate jam between the band members themselves and a shared moment with the fans. The tragically bad men have maintained their beloved status because of such grateful informality. What in the living fuck is a 2.5 out of 5? The only negative word in there is abrasive, and abrasive comes right to the end. It's such a pussy review, wow. 


    0:07:15 - Speaker 1

    It's a bitch review. It's like going out on the best date of your life or something and then just saying like, yeah, maybe I'll call you next week or whatever, or maybe I won't. I can't even think of something stupid and shitty to compare it to, because it's so fucking bullshit. Sorry, what a shit. the bed review that is Sorry. 


    0:07:42 - Speaker 5

    Well, i have a maybe, maybe, why So kind of the elephant in the room on this recording is the actual show is longer than what they put out for the album And we're missing all these. We're missing, yeah, we're missing all these songs. So if you, let's say, the writer, went to this show in Detroit and was so psyched about it And then a year or whatever, whatever it was, later bought the album and brought it home and realized it was three quarters of the songs and they don't even get the actual ending of the show on the record, and so you're kind of you're like you're playing if you got this on vinyl or CD, you're playing like the highlights of the show And as a very amateur taper and someone who absolutely loves live shows and kind of you know, on some of the bad weeks lives for them, you know, when I listened through this I was like okay, is this just the hits? Like what is this album Like? 


    I really questioned what was going on with it. I absolutely loved it And I loved. You know I have all these comments about everything that I dig from it But at the same time I'm like God damn. So that's when I pursued the search of the whole recording, start to finish, because I mean I have socked away whole recordings of shows And this is not a whole recording. 


    0:09:11 - Speaker 3

    Yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting, I wonder. I was just going to say it's interesting. I wonder why they did it that way. What do you think, pete? That's what I was going to say. 


    0:09:21 - Speaker 1

    No, it's totally yeah, because here's a couple things Like I see what you're saying, but I'm also looking at this from 1996, number one, number two it's on MCA, which at the time MCA was a really large record company. Okay, so you know, you've got, you've got the record company's influence of. oh, i don't think this track should be on there, whatever They take it off. 


    You know they wanted this to be a sellable record that they were going to put out number one. I'm not defending it, i'm just saying I'm just trying to get in the mind of the methodology of what, why these decisions were made. And on top of it, i think nowadays bands will put out a live record and it'll be like you know, because, for example, new Orleans is sinking. You know, nowadays that would be New Orleans is sinking. Parenthetical China girl slash, don't worry, they met me or something. 


    You know they'll throw that shit in, whereas back in the day, when you had a packaged live record, that shit was a no. No, you know, i didn't see it a lot that I remember Either way. Dude, this fuck all music, dude. I think that's the narrative we need to stick with, because they don't know what the fuck is going on. 


    0:10:38 - Speaker 5

    It. Just this record blew me away. Yeah, I would say. I would just add that my my only thought behind their low review score is because they didn't get all the show, Maybe they went to it and they saw it and they wanted to hear it all again. Yeah, exactly, or maybe they didn't, i don't know, but it's just the review is written It was a bad way. 


    0:11:01 - Speaker 3

    Kindly like it's. so it's such a nice review, really, until the word abrasive comes out and then which is weird And then it ends with like a nice, like they're redeemed, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then it's like 2.5. It's like this person is a hard grader man. That's all I'm going to say. 


    0:11:20 - Speaker 1

    But I don't, i don't buy that. Oh, i mean, i see what you're saying, tim, again about the record. You know. But look at, you know, a lot of live records aren't even a whole concert, let alone you're going to put a whole concert. So if a band plays for you know, three hours or plays a three hour set, like the Stones, and they put out a live record, they're not going to do that. Led Zeppelin's How the West is One great live record. It's probably. You know, if you look at the back and the liner notes, it's recorded in Madison Square Garden, it's recorded at the Long Beach Arena. It's recorded different places. It's not one concert. They kind of just took the best takes. 


    0:11:57 - Speaker 3

    I do like they used just the Kobo Hall performance because a lot of bands do that for live. They do like two or three nights and they record and they pick the best stuff. 


    0:12:08 - Speaker 5

    The actual album is about 83% of the show, so you you miss the whole. Encore There is some. There is some missing there The entire encore you missed. 


    0:12:17 - Speaker 3

    So what you do get the end of the record is the Weirothal, which is the last song they played. But whatever we missing, it goes Grace to fully completely springtime in Vienna. Trust my arm gift shop ahead by a century. The luxury 700 foot ceiling is not on there. 


    0:12:33 - Speaker 2

    Courage. 


    0:12:34 - Speaker 3

    That sucks, is courage on there. 


    0:12:36 - Speaker 5

    Daredevil is not. Daredevil is not Daredevil is not. 


    0:12:40 - Speaker 3

    Flamenco is not Scape is at hand for the traveling man is not, which is crazy because that's on the next record. So they were showcasing Wow, yeah, yeah, if anyone's got this. 


    0:12:52 - Speaker 5

    No, i'm thinking, don't wake, daddy. 


    0:12:55 - Speaker 3

    Yeah, please send an email to Tim at getting hip to the hipcom. He's a completist. I need it. Oh little bones man That would have been fucking rad. 


    0:13:06 - Speaker 5

    Yeah, ender with me locked in the trunk of a car would have been the ominous Ender. But then you got little bones, so new, the very end. I mean we got you another recording. You get 82, like I said, 83% of the whole entire show, which is killer. And you know, honestly, a positive there is it gives people access to the hip live who may own like one album, and then they pick up a CD with a bunch of live shit and they're like, oh man, why haven't we seen this band play yet? You know, so that could be part of it. 


    It's a little bit of a teaser without an encore or a second encore. I mean I don't know, though That's all the same time. I've, i've recorded shows and I've sent friends just the encore, just kind of piss them off, but sometimes like from a recording. Sometimes for me, listening to the encore, like the last three, four songs, you're like fuck, yeah, that probably was an amazing show. I get it And you know this recording without hearing the, on course I pretty much get it too, but just specifically, i talk about the show. 


    0:14:10 - Speaker 3

    Yeah, well, this is what I want to. I want to sort of level off with the audience. You know how we're going to approach this Yeah. 


    And you know, you came up with the idea of approaching it like it's a real concert, like let's give, give it a concert review. My curiosity starts to go from there. What do you look for in a live concert without referencing this record? What, what are? or, if you want to reference this record, what do you look for when you go to a show like that makes it a great show. 


    0:14:40 - Speaker 5

    Yeah, well, oftentimes it's the crowd. Man, if it's a rock and roll band, if it's a band with energy, you know there's. There's a electronic duo that we love, that we've seen play a handful of times. That really gets their crowd going like it. Just, oftentimes it's the crowd. You know, at the beginning of this album, as I listened to it, i thought, okay, probably not, because I didn't research it much. You know, i was excited to hear a live album But I thought, you know, it's probably not. The stadium sounds big, though definitely arena feeling and crowd sounds pretty hyped. They weren't. They weren't screaming like a bunch of fucking going crazy, drunk ass Canadians. They were hyped But it wasn't. To me it didn't feel like a home show. 


    Well Tim, the ABV in the back blue is not that high Just well, sure, sure, sure, sure, Sure, sure, but you know, but when I did research it I was like, oh, i was like, oh, detroit, okay, detroit shows must have been really fun Because you know, you're in the US, you're in the USA. Whether or not is highly regarded in Detroit is like there is their home away from home. So the crowd for me was either way like hitting the mark that the crowd was pumped in the just right off the bat I had wondered about you know, because I'm nerdy that way like how it was recorded And I thought about the time and the era and what people were using to record stuff. So I did a little bit of research on that note, just to see, like what the heck or see if there are any notes about how they recorded this thing, because back then it was like dat recorders or radar recorders. 


    I mean it was like the kind of the evolution beginning evolution of digital audio recording which people could then just pump out on the scene or mini discs around. 


    0:16:28 - Speaker 3

    At that point I forget when I had, i had a. 


    0:16:30 - Speaker 5

    Yeah that was, that was the yeah, those things were cool. Yeah, that was around the same time. You could yeah, you could plug those straight into a sound board and get like CD quality. So I was curious about that as a taper person, you know, just to hear how it went down, because it overall you know whether it was on my home sonosystem or my basement PSS premium sound system or on my my home headphones, my Bose headphones, like it sounds fucking good Like whoever. Whoever posted this did a great job. 


    0:17:06 - Speaker 3

    What did you think, pete, in terms of your rubric for measuring a live show? 


    0:17:13 - Speaker 1

    It's a it's a weird question because you know, and Tim comes from a place of recording a million shows in his history On me. I look, i gotta kind of look at it back. We gotta kind of look at this backwards because, number one, we worn out the show. You know, if we judge it by the crowd, i think, but by anybody's standards, you know, the show that Peter Frampton played at the Fillmore West for Frampton Comes Alive was was a banger on the show. But if you know anything about that record they dubbed in the audience of the crowd. Do you know? do you know that, right, tim? 


    0:17:47 - Speaker 5

    Boo. 


    0:17:47 - Speaker 1

    I say that Boo, i mean it's, it's, it's. the American Idol effect is of of making things seem like they're popular when they're not. 


    0:17:57 - Speaker 5

    Now I have a. It's the fucking laugh track, you know it's a laugh track. 


    0:18:02 - Speaker 1

    So I have a weird take on this. This record made me, gave me a weird take on this band as a whole that I'm really looking forward to show you guys. But just to your question, jd, before I get ahead of myself. I think the the show you can. You can hear how good the show was from the band and what the energy that the bands convey, what Gord Downey's saying and how he's interacting with the crowd, cause you never know with the crowd again. The Frampton record but based on what you're hearing from the band, it was a fucking rager. 


    Yeah, whoever was at this show you know, kiss my ass, i wish I, i wish I was there, i mean, you weren't there. 


    0:18:49 - Speaker 3

    She was an email. JD at getting hip to the hipcom. 


    0:18:52 - Speaker 5

    Hey, jd, question for you. 


    0:18:53 - Speaker 3

    Call her Go ahead Yeah. 


    0:18:55 - Speaker 5

    Yeah, jd, you know. So after I did research this show a bit, i came upon the reason why it's named what it's named. Do you want to share that? And yeah, so it sounded like in the early days the hip had a sax player. 


    0:19:15 - Speaker 3

    David's. 


    0:19:15 - Speaker 5

    Manning, that's right, am I right? 


    0:19:17 - Speaker 3

    Yeah, talked about him in the first episode. 


    0:19:20 - Speaker 5

    So that that kind of rocks, yeah, yeah, I forgot all about that. I forgot all about that, obviously, and and I thought, oh my God, and I just I just kind of sat there and wondered about everything I've listened to and how there has been no sax player. And there could have been a sax player, you know, and there's, and it recalled to mind some bands that I love that have horn players that you know really feels like part of the soul of that band with this horn player. So can you imagine, like recordings up to this date, having this sax player? that's like you know, i don't know, would he have been the equivalent of I don't know the guy's name, the guy that plays um Phil or violin for Dave Matthews, you know, wouldn't have been this overwhelming presence, so that that first of all. 


    0:20:08 - Speaker 3

    First of all, dave Matthews, barf Barf. 


    0:20:12 - Speaker 5

    Oh, i know right, the best, the best story about Dave Matthews Segway is the story about his tour bus in Chicago. Do you guys know this story? 


    0:20:22 - Speaker 1

    Oh yeah, the the, yeah, the shit. 


    0:20:24 - Speaker 5

    Yeah, So he's he's. 


    0:20:25 - Speaker 1

    I thought you were going to say Clarence Clemens of uh, yeah, that's where I thought it was No, Yeah, Dave Matthews tour bus. 


    0:20:32 - Speaker 5

    You know they're whoever's on the bus, but they're driving in Chicago across an abridge and they're uh, they're black water tank, which is all the poo, poo and wee wee supposedly broke open and burst onto a bunch of tourists on a on a boat platform, boat going down the river on a scene. 


    0:20:50 - Speaker 3

    Oh my God. 


    0:20:51 - Speaker 5

    So Dave Matthews has actually shit on fans, so that's, that was pretty fun. Anyway, back to this. 


    0:21:00 - Speaker 3

    Hey, today's all about live music. 


    0:21:02 - Speaker 1

    Metaphorically and and sonically. 


    0:21:05 - Speaker 5

    I I last week I turned down the opportunity to co-host that Dave Matthews podcast. Um, so so this fellow uh, uh, uh, dave, dave is manning It was at a crossroads with staying in the band or not and was given to ultimate him by his girlfriend, who I wonder if he's even still with her doubt it. And, um, she, she noted that that the hip lives between us, to him, to Davis. So she was like you know, the band lives in between us in bed, the band is in between us. You got to pick, you got to pick one of us, pick the band or pick me And he's supposedly chose her, and this was spray painted on the wall of I don't remember some building I don't know in in whatever Queens Yeah, in Kingston, and, uh, you know when, it was lived between us. So I think the actual record is lived between us, but everybody calls it live between us because it's live. 


    0:22:06 - Speaker 3

    That's why I've all got it live between us. But yeah, i knew that, but I knew that story. But I still call it live between us. I don't yeah What man. if you've got to take on that Pete, do you? 


    0:22:15 - Speaker 1

    But isn't that a? isn't that a dick move, dude, like I mean? it's a I got to. How do you for the band in their current form to name it? 


    0:22:24 - Speaker 5

    that is like I think it's awesome. 


    0:22:28 - Speaker 1

    I think it's awesome too, but God. 


    0:22:29 - Speaker 5

    Here's the code It says. There, in an alley that now stands beside a tattoo parlor, he painted a huge mural featuring a weeping eye and a shooting star, which is hard to decipher. In the art He painted the hip live between us in large letters across the wall and an apparent reference to he and his lover. In the end, davis chose his girl, left the band and continues to be an active musician to this day. The mural stood until the summer of 2005, when it was painted over by local business owners. His artwork was used as the CD art, which is fucking hilarious and perfect for the hips 97 live release. The disc, in clever turn of phrase, was called live between us. 


    0:23:12 - Speaker 3

    That's very cool. 


    0:23:13 - Speaker 5

    Perfect. It's just perfect. I love it. That right there just made me love the whole thing. It was like great story, Great story. 


    0:23:21 - Speaker 3

    So let's start at the start. With the opener is Grace to a good opener. Hello. 


    0:23:55 - Speaker 2

    This is for the real statics. We're all richer for having seen them tonight. All right, i got a son, came up shocked with the lines. Today was the day that I was already behind Steal the drink. Our brothers and sisters, our young all-ter체 Note Uhl are here at the site. Come on, blir gladzis. I can hear a singing. I'm turned off from No, they don't know no more. 


    That's why I'm here, for I kept them downtown, but I'm ready for you. I went well into Dona Nace and Brace to leave. I'm a little bit alone. I was, so I'm a little bit. I can't hear you. Can't you fucking hear that man? Can't you fucking hear that? Can't you hear what I heard? Look out, jesus Christ, big fuckin' bear. The secret rules of engagement Are hard to endorse When the appearance of comfort Meets the appearance of force, when I can guarantee They've been a knock on the door, i can't hear you. I'm turned off from here. I'm turned off from the door. That's why I'm here, for I kept them downtown, but I'm ready for you. I went to scale and it's my strength. Yes to you. I didn't give a fuck. Where the hell did you get an inch? 


    I never fought for a thing. I never fought for anything. I got a palace wage gone to do. I'm like so many of you. I see around me Nothing to live or die for, no limits in tune. Help, help, no, no. I was growing up in town. I was growing up in town And I was gonna pick up my friends And I know you'll come to some kind of dead end. Oh, but I can swear there's a bear. I can swear there's a place where all is A bit to be manned And you can never be a piece of cake. And then there's everyone Around you smiling and everyone Around you styling. You got nothing to worry about. And then you got nothing to worry about. You got nothing to worry about. You got nothing to worry about. 


    0:29:31 - Speaker 1

    So fucking Lulie, absolutely, i mean. 


    0:29:34 - Speaker 5

    Perfect. 


    0:29:35 - Speaker 1

    It's just the way they come into it. I pictured like I don't know if they had played arenas this big before I know they toured. They sounded so tight, they couldn't fuck up if they tried, you know. And this band just sounded so good. Yeah, what was this? How far was this show off of their SNL release? SNL appearance. 


    0:30:12 - Speaker 3

    Oh well, snl was March of 95 and this was November of 96. 


    0:30:22 - Speaker 1

    Yeah, i mean, they knew then that this was a banger of a tune. But just What a way to ease in, to get everybody to get the water warm in the bathtub. Man. 


    0:30:36 - Speaker 3

    Did you dip your toes in the bath there, timmy? 


    0:30:40 - Speaker 5

    I did, i did, and it's good. The jets came on right away, so in the tub. So, yeah, i loved his phrase. Sun came up and shot through the blinds. Today was a day And I was already behind. You know, like I First of all, great line, great, just random thing. And it was also like I don't know. I love that phrase Cause to me it was like Sun came up and shot through the blinds. Today was a day And I was already behind. 


    You know, and this is this to me, is a line that says it's kind of okay, you know, it's okay to be behind. You know, i don't know, i just you could read this line in so many ways. You can read it as like You're fucked, or you can read it as fuck it, and I love that about it. So, you know, there's there's just the grace to as a starter. You know, the first time I heard it as a starter live was that 99, woodstock, woodstock, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the first time I heard that was like okay, this is what gets the crowd going, this is, this is the shot in the arm energizer, and you know this, this is it for for this show as well. And to try, i love he has. 


    Gord has one of his now iconic Woo. Yes, this is like, yes, the crowd is psyched, we're psyched. You know, that's to me going back to the crowd, kind of making the show. There you go, he screams. He's got like he does this droll, this guttural scream. You know, come from downtown. You know it's just, i just love it. 


    I love it yeah, i love it when singers kind of stray and do something a little bit different Than the recordings and just get fucking into it, and that's that's how this started, for sure. 


    0:32:35 - Speaker 3

    And it carries on into a song that I don't recall how you felt about it on the fully, completely record, but to me this live version is so like, almost like psychedelic-y and like maybe it's because I've been listening to it high, i don't know but there's something really awesome about the live version It just unlocks live. I'm curious if you agree about certain songs, in this case, fully, completely Getting unlocked in a live version. 


    0:33:17 - Speaker 1

    The perfect word you use is unlocked. I couldn't think of a better word to use, because I don't know if they make them anymore. They used to be these 12-cylinder Mercedes-Benz two-door coupes. Do you remember those, Timmy run around. 


    0:33:35 - Speaker 5

    Yeah, yeah, they came with like an extra, extra gas tax on the They're ridiculous. 


    0:33:40 - Speaker 1

    Who needs this 12-cylinder? 


    0:33:46 - Speaker 5

    It was like a luxury gas tax in California that was added. 


    0:33:49 - Speaker 1

    That's how I feel about this song. 


    0:33:52 - Speaker 5

    And. 


    0:33:52 - Speaker 1

    I actually remember, because I remember thinking about it too. Jd, this was a song that I didn't say. 


    I didn't like it but it wasn't my favorite on the record. I remember specifically because it was the title track And this was like again, a nice Mercedes, i would say a Ferrari, but whatever, whatever, your nice car is that you like sitting in your driveway and being like that's really cool, that's really pretty to look at. Okay, then you get in your fucking Honda, your fucking shitty beater, and you drive to work, but the live record gives you the keys to open it up and to fucking take it for a spin And it was, oh my God, yeah, exactly Like I really enjoyed this tune. It made me like and respect this tune for what it is And yeah, i mean think of all the reasons why. But again, you know I'll say that for a couple of other tunes. But I loved it, kim. What? 


    0:34:52 - Speaker 5

    do you think, man, i related to it quite a bit. You know I loved his singing, ranting poetry, whatever. At the beginning He's talking about being in love with the old rule being raised by TV. I mean, that's me, you know, that's my childhood. But I will add the end of this, which I couldn't find any reference on. Maybe someone else can find it. But towards the end of this I think is the first time he starts singing lyrics from other bands at the show And I didn't find this noted. So he, towards the end, he starts singing. Please take me there. He sings there's a light that never goes out. 


    These are lyrics from the fucking Smiths from the 80s And I have a feeling, you know, i'd really just wish I could know what the band was listening to from early through later, like what they were really jiving with. You know what they listened to on the bus and what their influences were. If they were carrying around CD player, fucking Walkman, whatever. You know what they were jamming to cause. There's more see early, more see lyrics here. I might be wrong, It might just be a coincidence, but when I heard that the first time I was like fuck. 


    0:36:12 - Speaker 1

    Well, we know what Tim was listening to, please. 


    0:36:16 - Speaker 5

    One of my first. Honestly, that's one of my. My second tape was the Smiths Queen is Dead. 


    0:36:22 - Speaker 1

    Same here. 


    0:36:24 - Speaker 5

    That was it. So, yeah, i felt like this took it bigger. I hear the song in this order at this show. It took it a level bigger and louder and took it a level more aggressive. It was like Pete, you know the V12, you drive your shitty Honda, but you get in a car. it's a V12. It's like a jet boat, you know. and this I felt, i felt fully, completely, really dug in and kept us accelerating. I love your old ways, i love your old world ways is what he sings towards the end And I just that's so romantic to me. 


    That's like pulling on my heartstrings because, you know, I'm a Gen Xer. There's so many times in my life where I want to throw my iPhone across a room. Yeah. 


    0:37:11 - Speaker 1

    Yeah, the torque it gave us, i thought one of the. I thought the crazy part about springtime in Vienna was and if I remember correctly, he introduces it And I don't know if the crowd goes nuts for it. But I'm just thinking to myself like the minute this song starts. I'd fucking lose all my shit if I'm in the car. 


    0:37:35 - Speaker 5

    Yeah, yeah, losing my shit. 


    0:37:37 - Speaker 1

    And the fact that he introduces it is almost like, kind of like, is he doing it because it's a light record? And there's maybe people that are gonna buy this record and not be looking at the back of the CD when they when it's on, i mean I don't know because, whatever, but this song, i mean just when it goes on the fucking chorus, it's just it's madness too. 


    0:38:02 - Speaker 5

    It's Yeah, you love this song. 


    0:38:04 - Speaker 1

    You hate to be loved, right? Yeah, i love this song and I just feel like if I I can hear the band having so much fun playing this song, you can hear it. 


    0:38:17 - Speaker 5

    Yeah, you can, you can. You can hear it a lot of times throughout this whole performance. Yeah, you can hear the amount of fun, i think, through the bass that's happening. You know there's some really the bass guitar so many times to me is like fuck, these guys were into it, you know. And springtime in Vienna, just like that. I felt like that was the point in the show, where you're like either chugging down your second beer or you're lighting up another spliff or whatever. Like this is like serious momentum. twist my arm, which was next, you know That to me felt I don't know that's that to me for this position of this show. This is like where you were dancing, Like this is super fun, like it felt danceable. You know, it's like I'm not standing still at this show. That was my comment for that one. 


    0:39:14 - Speaker 1

    I got some weird takes, i mean and these aren't necessarily related to this particular songs And the first thing I want to say is that I feel like like when I was young, jd, my dad used to tell me when I was playing in a band, you need to play with dynamics, right. And when you're young and you're just fucking want to turn your amp up louder than the guy next to you, you don't know what the fuck dynamics are. And it's ironically. You know, i don't have to give away my age, but I'm up there And I still I'm trying to play with people who don't know what the fuck dynamics are. 


    Some people get it, some people never get it. It's just the ability to listen to one another, to play to the band, not to just play your instrument right, and this you can just tell. This band is weathered by the road. They have amazing dynamics to start songs like well, springtime in Vienna gift shop, especially a head by a century which builds. So just do this, do what is. Isn't it the most streamed song of the band period? Yeah, yeah. 


    0:40:31 - Speaker 5

    Head by a century. 


    0:40:32 - Speaker 1

    Yeah, head by a century, which is funny because race two on this record has more streams on this live record than head by a century. 


    0:40:45 - Speaker 3

    Oh really. 


    0:40:46 - Speaker 1

    Yeah. 


    0:40:48 - Speaker 3

    Oh wow, well, maybe it's not that, i'm not sure What. We should look that up, you know. 


    0:40:55 - Speaker 1

    You know me, though, but yeah, I think they know what they're doing on stage clearly. 


    0:41:03 - Speaker 5

    Yeah, you don't want a drummer or a guitarist or a fucking keyboardist. I'll talk a little, reference the doors there for two seconds. You don't want another musician in your band getting in the way. You know, like I actually, who is it, i'll recall. But anyways, i heard someone once say yeah, i just can't have a drummer who gets in the way. You know, you don't want somebody just cranking themselves too often And I think that's kind of what you're saying. 


    Pete, this show, you know it. just it gets this momentum going to where you might all of a sudden realize oh shit, we're already in song five or this is already the sixth song. Like, i feel like their shows have this build up. I would assume now, after hearing this one, that their shows kind of have this build up and then they start carrying people. you know, before you, yeah, before you realize it, you're like, oh, my God, you know, it's probably halfway over or something, i don't know. It's like a century when it, yeah by century, when it started on this recording, that kind of felt like a mile marker with Gordon, his goofy start, when he's doing his one liners and making sense and not making sense at all, like that. that was kind of like the check in to to like yeah, catharsis one Yeah. 


    That all about right, right. That to me was like let's see how into it the crowd is. You know, maybe we'll make somebody fall over with these statements, i don't know. But that, but there's a moment in a head by a century on this recording that I've kind of been waiting for to hear these guys live, do And that's like a right around the three minute marker. So they just start riffing a little bit more. They dig, they dig a little bit deeper. They reached that, you know, five fifth speed of the V12 Mercedes and they're finally on the stretch of freeway where they can let it go a little bit. And that's that's what happens with with this song. I've been waiting, waiting to hear that. So that was, that was good, that was good for me. 


    0:43:10 - Speaker 3

    Gift shop I wanted to ask you guys about, because gift shop to me feels like grace two, in the sense that it's like an opener Like. It feels like an opener to me. So I'm just curious about where it gets put. Like you've you've talked about this car metaphor you know you get grace two to open the show, then fully, completely, which sort of like you know, gets you, gets you sort of high, and then springtime in Vienna to get you jumping up and down And then twist my arm is like an old classic at this point. So you're like wow, like, like Tim said, you're dancing, And then gift shop sort of resets everything. 


    0:43:52 - Speaker 2

    You know what I mean. The rest of the world becomes a gift shop. So you're like wow, like Tim said, you're dancing. You're like wow, like Tim said you're dancing. You're like wow, like Tim said, you're dancing. You're like wow, like Tim said you're dancing. You're like wow, like Tim said, you're dancing. I don't know what to believe. Sometimes I even forget. And if it's a lie, a terrorist may be saying A beautiful love, a dangerous time, we get to feel a smile. I'm high up above. I'm high up above. I'm high up above. I'm high up above. I'm high up above. I'm high up above. I'm high up above. I don't know what to believe. 


    0:47:43 - Speaker 5

    I wish I knew what to believe. I knew what to believe. Close the window. You'll hear the sound of death. Run, run, run, run run. 


    0:48:38 - Speaker 1

    I feel like gift shops an opener too. Absolutely. If you want to use the car analogy, that's cool, but if we're powering a big amplifier with a car battery, it's like it's got some juice, it's got some sound. It's really pushing. You're waking up the neighbors and you hook up a second car battery. Now all the tubes are really lit up. Gift shops. It's just like Grace II and that it's another opener. It's the nitrous oxide on the engine. It just puts the show forward even faster and harder. 


    0:49:28 - Speaker 5

    I agree with that. I think it's not my favorite song simply because it's. I feel like it's. I don't know we're up to bat against a pitcher. You know you're going to get it on. It's an easy one, the chorus is easy, it's sing-alongable. I think gift shop could be an opener of the show, but I feel like it fits here well, because it's like dude, we've had the basses loaded twice. We're going to have the basses loaded twice. Let's just fucking keep bringing them in. And that's gift shop for me for sure. 


    0:50:02 - Speaker 3

    A lot of the baseball. 


    0:50:04 - Speaker 5

    Yeah, that was for you, buddy. 


    0:50:06 - Speaker 3

    Basses loaded twice. So the basses were loaded with Grace II, fully completed in springtime in Canada, and then gift shop ahead by a century and the luxury which is. This is a cool thing. If you're exploring Hiptim, you to Hiptim and you want to explore, there's a website called HIPBASE H-I-P-B-A-S-Ecom And it's got like every lot. It's like setlistfm, except for it. It's got super detailed statistics Like so, for example, the luxury this was only the 19th time that it played the luxury live. That's interesting. Yeah, it's like it's an older song at this point, but they've only played it 19 times. They only ended up playing it 65 times in total in their career. 


    0:51:01 - Speaker 1

    I feel like it's a good. It brings it down a little bit. It it, it. It mellows it out. You know, i mean being as that ahead by a century was such a popular song, like the crowd was going I mean they were going to eat shit right. When that song started, as it was This kind of like you know, take some away from the edge for a little bit. It's a really cool song, super cool bass groove. I love that. Yeah, one thing that really showcases Tim Is that on your guys' end, That's on my end. 


    0:51:38 - Speaker 3

    I think, yeah, that's JD, i come from downtown. 


    0:51:42 - Speaker 1

    One thing that Tim mentioned about drummer not getting in your way. It's crazy Again because, like my thoughts on this record are more broad and as opposed to individual songs, but I felt like like Gord Downey for the longest time and listening to the records and listening to it at this point has been the draw, and not in a bad way, but I'm saying it in the context of what Tim said the guy who's in everybody's way And I don't mean that in a bad way because he's such a fucking talent, absolutely And this was the first time where I was actually and I feel kind of like a fucking douchebag, because when it comes to the whole entire band I mean the entire band you really hear like whoa, these motherfuckers are good musicians, these guys are Yeah. 


    And that's really hard to come through on a record because you don't know when what's recorded, how it's cut together. 


    0:52:42 - Speaker 5

    Yep. 


    0:52:42 - Speaker 1

    All that. When you hear it live you're like, okay, this is the way it sounded there And everybody sounds so good. So it's, you don't hear and I don't mean that again at this respect of Gord Downey getting in anybody's way, but like he's so good It's sort of hard to not Have that guy overshadowed. Yeah, yeah, the band, but live you don't get that vibe at all. On the records I sort of do. The records are really smooth, this far sort of, but on the fucking live performance holy shit. 


    0:53:16 - Speaker 3

    Yeah, and that's. It's funny because that was one of the questions I literally just wrote down. I was going to ask you guys if the band, if you feel differently about the band now that you've heard them play live, and you just answered that exact question, do you get what I'm saying now about being sort of an improv troupe? 


    0:53:35 - Speaker 5

    Yes. 


    0:53:36 - Speaker 3

    Because Gord will sort of carry on and do his own thing and they still have to end a song And they don't know if he's like how far he's going. Or sometimes they'll just end a song and go into, go right into something else And he's still sort of like finishing a thought or explaining an idea or whatever. 


    0:53:59 - Speaker 1

    The musicians clearly all listen to each other enough to know when to where things are going, You know. 


    0:54:07 - Speaker 3

    Yeah, And they're just as in charge as he is in a sense. 


    0:54:12 - Speaker 5

    I have to wonder what that would have been like if Davis was playing sax and all this, you know might not have been. It would have been different. Could you imagine just having a horn blowing in here and there? Yeah, like I said, having horns and bands and having a fit. but oh it may have been, I don't know I think like in excess. 


    0:54:34 - Speaker 3

    You know, they were good with the sax, yeah, but yeah, it would have been different for sure. 


    0:54:38 - Speaker 5

    Last night we were listening to this band that I loved, loved, from Boston, called Morphine. If anyone hasn't listened to Morphine, you got to check them out. They're no longer, but they were a three piece and saxophone, bass player and drummer, and that was it. It's one of the perfect examples of a unique rock and roll band where saxophone fits in and leads and doesn't take over, because it was such a unique trifecta of you know of a band. But you know, i just I think where was I going to go with this? I think, yeah, i think it would have been so different. 


    I just circled back to the luxury. I commented on this before. It's noted on the internet, of course, but I would love, jd, for you to to play the end, maybe, of the luxury of this one and then blend in, come as you are from Nirvana, cause dude, it's the same. I mean they, they, the band was listening to Nirvana. It's just the same guitar, the same bass. It's pretty fucking cool, and I've noticed that the first time I listened to the luxury, and it's completely evident in here as well. 


    0:55:57 - Speaker 3

    But the luxury came out in 91. How much art came out in 92? 


    0:56:03 - Speaker 5

    Well, they heard it, i swear. I mean it's timing or not? 


    0:56:09 - Speaker 3

    Or Nirvana heard it. 


    0:56:11 - Speaker 5

    Yeah, nirvana heard it, who knows? 


    0:56:12 - Speaker 1

    Yeah. 


    0:56:13 - Speaker 5

    But anyways, courage, So courage. I love courage. It couldn't come at a worse time. 


    0:56:47 - Speaker 2

    Where something more familiar, quickly something familiar. Can't change my words, it doesn't matter. Sleep, watch so fast, asleep in a motel that has a lay of hope And piss on out of your background And piss on three eyes around your face. Can't change my words, it doesn't matter. Can't change your words, it doesn't matter. Can't remember, it doesn't matter. Can't change my words. Time. It's pretty snowy in here. Snow is so merciless for old country. There's no sample explanation for anything important Any of us do and yet a human tragedies, obsession or necessity of living with the consequences of depression and depression. Can't change my words, it doesn't matter. Can't change your words, it doesn't matter. Can't change my words, it doesn't matter. Can't change my words. Can't change my words. Can't change my words. I'm a child of the church, god. Snow is so merciless for old country. There's a spite of everything that's happening. It's a spite of love. Can't change my words, don't you worry, i'm a child of the church, god. I'm a child of the church, god. Snow is so merciless for old country. 


    1:00:57 - Speaker 5

    Can't change my words. Can't change my words. I don't know. There's something about this song that it's positive. It's. You know, it's something I can't turn off when I hear it, Like I got to go through the whole song. I got to sing the chorus One of the coolest parts. The bridge, Yeah, yeah, it's good. One of the coolest parts of this live recording for me, of this song, Courage, is you can hear the crowd singing a little bit Like Gord stops. When Gord stops singing, the crowd carries the lyrics for him. There's a brief moment of that, which I just adore when bands do that, when the crowd is so into it that they just stop singing. But I have the question. I don't know, This is a question. Towards the end of this he starts to talk about Montreal and the snow and poor old Montreal, You know, and I guess that's a reveal on a song in the future about Montreal or something. 


    1:02:15 - Speaker 3

    Is that true? Actually, a song from the past. 


    1:02:18 - Speaker 5

    Oh, oh, oh oh. 


    1:02:20 - Speaker 3

    It was a song that was written for Road Apples. Oh, that's right. It never came to light until much later on, but they always played it. They always sort of kept it in the back pocket and would pull it out and play it occasionally, and there's a live recording of it that just came out in a box set. That is a really good live recording. I also have the demo. I have the demo from Road Apples Ooh, okay, cool, cool, cool, cool. So, yeah, it's a great song and it's fucking ooh, it's a tough one. It's about the young man who shot and murdered 14 young women at a school in Montreal, and it happened in late 80s and it's recognized annually as a result. 


    1:03:10 - Speaker 5

    Oh, yeah, So I just pulled that up. It's the massacre at Montreal's Polytechnic School, which was fueled by misogyny, horrifying memory of a bygone era. Damn Fuck. 


    1:03:27 - Speaker 3

    Yeah, so the song Montreal is about that. 


    1:03:33 - Speaker 5

    Got it. There's our heavy sort of segue in there to get us to New Orleans and Sinking. So New Orleans and Sinking for me. I don't know about you, pete, but man, this was fun. On this recording This is like crowd goes berserk. 


    The guitar has this big start, the drums are big. It feels like we've reached top speed perhaps of the show. It oddly slows down about. There's a I don't know if you caught this, pete there's this tempo, little chug, slug, like it slowed down for just a little bit there. Like it really caught my attention that the band kind of went a tiny bit out of sync and I think that was with the drums. But man, this one I think the crowd was just, for lack of a better term banging their heads and just going along and, you know, felt so awesome The fucking David Bowie references at the end talking about where's my little China girl, all that you know that was China girl was like forever stethled to my brain because of MTV as a youngster. You know that was just such a memorable video for me Made me an instant David Bowie fan. It's just I just. New Orleans and Sinking. It might have been, might have been one of my. We're gonna get into it one of my top songs here. 


    1:05:25 - Speaker 2

    Silly way down this sidewalk in jail. My memory is muddy. What's this riff that I'm in? You gonna need to sink it, man. And I don't wanna say that I'm a child, i'm a throne. I'm going home, can't do this now. I'm a party, he said. You know yourself. Shut your big mouth. Gotta do what you feel is real. Got no pictures false gods. Got no shivers in these. My fingers she won't open when I'm thinking about those. Yeah, i'm a child, i'm a throne. I'm going home, can't do this now. I'm a party, he said. You know yourself. Shut your big mouth. Gotta do what you feel is real. I'm a child, i'm a throne. I'm going home, can't do this now. I'm a party, he said. You know yourself. Shut your big mouth. Gotta do what you feel is real With my ginocent girl. 


    Wake up in the morning. Where's my ginocent girl? She's too tired, she's too small. Baby, just shut your mouth, she says. She says, yeah, don't worry, baby, everything will turn out alright. There's a light bulb hanging on a wire, sucking up the sun doesn't stoop to fire. Taking out the highlights of the scenery, saw some little clouds and looked a little like this In the river, my feet back up on the banks looked up to the Lord above, said hey, hey, hey, banks. Sometimes I feel so good I've got to scream. He says Georgie, baby, i know exactly what's the change He says. He says I swear to God. He says hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. My memory is funny. What's his clever man of man? he won't need to sink in that, i don't want to sell Trout. 


    1:10:36 - Speaker 3

    Trout, trout, trout. 


    1:11:31 - Speaker 1

    Trout, trout, trout. 


    1:12:21 - Speaker 3

    Trout, trout, trout. 


    1:12:46 - Speaker 1

    Trout Trout. 


    1:13:00 - Speaker 5

    Trout, trout, trout, trout, trout, trout, trout, trout. 


    1:14:13 - Speaker 3

    Trout, trout, trout, trout, trout, trout, trout, trout. 


    1:15:25 - Speaker 5

    Trout Trout, trout Trout. 


    1:16:12 - Speaker 3

    Trout Trout. 


    1:16:21 - Speaker 1

    Trout Trout, trout Trout. 


    1:16:56 - Speaker 3

    Trout Trout. 


    1:17:13 - Speaker 4

    Trout Trout. Questions or concerns, email us at JD at GettingHipToTheHipcom. We'd love to hear from you. 


    1:18:16 - Speaker 3

    Hey, it's JD here. 


    1:18:18 - Speaker 5

    Hey, it's Tim. 


    1:18:19 - Speaker 3

    And Pete Fellows, i'm really excited that you're flying to Toronto on Friday, september 1st for our big party GettingHipToTheHip an evening for the Downey Wain Jack fund. We just need to sell some tickets. How are we going to do that? 


    1:18:33 - Speaker 5

    Go to our website GettingHipToTheHipcom and you'll find a link to get tickets to our event at the rec room in Toronto. 


    1:18:40 - Speaker 1

    Early burn tickets are 35 bucks. If you go to GettingHipToTheHipcom and click on the bonus fee, you get 10% off, which means tickets are 31.50 right now. If you were to join the bonus fee and buy tickets, you'd literally have to be stupid not to do that. Definitely join us on September 1st. I'll be at the bar putting out the vibe JD. where are you going to be at? 


    1:19:00 - Speaker 3

    I'm going to be watching 50 Mission perform some tragically hip songs and I'm really excited for you guys to see them. 


    1:19:06 - Speaker 5

    Yeah, and we have a silent auction which we've garnered some great prizes so far. It's amazing what people are donating. Some hip fans are really coming forward with some great donations And again, all proceeds are going to the Downey Wain Jack fund. 


    1:19:18 - Speaker 3

    And the Long Slice beer will be flowing because Long Slice is stepped up and they are our title sponsor for the event. How cool is that. 


    1:19:27 - Speaker 1

    I cannot wait to drink some delicious beer and also watch the comedy of Pete and I too, because that guy is a side splitter, that's for sure. September 1st, live Toronto, Be there, B-square, gettinghiptothehipcom, Click on the bonus feed at 10% off the tickets and we'll see you there. 



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