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We were all over the map in today's conversation. Zig zagging from David's tender expression(!) of empathy for Dr Dave as he had a fleeting thought that he was being ghosted by his bride of 44 years to enjoying God's presence when stepping on any stage – even when a bit scared that we’ll mess up. The belt buckle discussion was one of those scratch-your-head moments as we wondered aloud together how we camped on that topic for a while. We hope you enjoy the conversation as much as we did!