GIRL Talk

Hi GIRL Talk listeners. As many of you know, Hannah and I both live in the Twin Cities in Minnesota, where there’s been a lot going on. George Floyd, an unarmed Black man, was murdered by police in Minneapolis on Monday, May 25th. In the wake of George Floyd’s death, Minneapolis and St. Paul experienced protests that spread across the country.

Our hearts ache for George Floyd’s family and community. While we’re feeling tremendous pain, outrage, fear, and anxiety, this is the time for change. Girl Scouts stand up for what’s right, are courageous in the face of adversity, and work to build better, stronger communities. We urge you to find ways to get involved. Join together with your family, friends, and neighbors to support your community and advocate for what you believe in.

We won’t be posting an episode this week. Instead we’d like to take this time to show our support and stand in solidarity with our Black friends, colleagues, and neighbors in a time of increased turmoil and injustice.

Take care of yourselves and your friends, families, and neighborhoods. We’ll be back soon sharing stories and experiences from strong girls and women.

Girl Scouts River Valleys Takes Action resource page

Right now when we're releasing this episode, we're in the midst of changing and challenging times. We recorded our conversation with Keziah Ojika before everything with the COVID-19 pandemic started, but we think you'll find it interesting and maybe a little inspiring. A lot of us are stuck at home, and it might just get you thinking about doing something that lets off some creative steam and allows you to find your voice.

Keziah works with us at Girl Scouts, where she is a leader on our ConnectZ team helping deliver culturally specific and relevant programming to girls in places like schools and community centers. We welcomed her to the podcast to talk about having a creative outlet, which for her is creating and editing videos and posting them online. We know there are a lot of girls out there who are interested in – or already are – producing their own videos for platforms like YouTube, or doing other cool, creative things in their free time.

Keziah has been creating and producing videos since high school. She got started by making music videos with her family and friends and doing projects for school, finding it to be a way to tell stories and do something fun and interesting. It takes a lot of time and effort to edit videos, but that's the part she likes - figuring out how to tell a story and going through the challenge of using effects to make the idea in her head happen on the screen.

When she started out, YouTube and vlogging weren't a thing, she just knew she loved making videos. It was a way to share her experiences, adding drama and expressing the essence of things going on in her life. She pretty much just figured it out by trying things, using relatively inexpensive equipment and getting her stories out there.

Keziah has always been behind the camera, but now has a YouTube channel and has turned the camera on herself, using it as kind of a video journal of her life and experiences, which is a new and brave endeavor for her. We get into how it feels to be vulnerable and have her own personal story published online, what it's like to interact with people in the comments on her videos, and how she deals with negativity.

Keziah shares with us how she tried to go to film school but had what you might classify as an "epic fail" - but she bounced back and figured out how to transition her passion for filmmaking to more of a creative outlet rather than a career, still in a way that felt worth it.

We talk about times she's connected with people online through her YouTube channel who have had similar life and family experiences to her, and how that gives her the energy to keep going even when it's hard and maybe doesn’t seem worth i

Our takeaways:

It's good to have a creative outlet, to create just for creation's sake. It can be therapeutic and beneficial to your well-being. That could be making music, writing, doing makeup or hair, painting, drawing, making videos or other media content, whatever you enjoy.

Keziah has a mantra: perfection is the enemy of progress. Think about that, is there anything in your life it applies to?

As long as you know why you're doing something like creating videos, art, music - that's all that really matters, even if it can be hard to keep it going. Find something that makes you feel good!

Stay tuned at the end for Would You Rather and Girls Pick, and reach out to us with your comments and ideas at girltalk.girlscoutsrv.org/contact. Stay safe and healthy!

Right now when we’re releasing this episode we’re in the middle of the COVID-19 pandemic, and things are changing around us all the time. We recorded it a while ago before this all started, but we think you’ll still find a lot that’s relevant to what’s going on and how people are talking about it. We hope you’re safe and healthy, and that you enjoy our conversation with Julia.

We asked our friend and colleague Julia Burkstaller to join us as a subject matter expert to talk about how to get through tough conversations and situations that girls, and really all of us, get into with our friends, family, people at school and work, and social media communities about politics and other polarizing topics. Julia is the Advocacy and Development Manager at Girl Scouts and has a lot of expertise and experience in talking to people who have different views. She joined us to provide some tools to help get us through these situations with our relationships and mental health intact. We acknowledge that the topics and tools covered in this episode are really hard!

When we say that a topic is polarizing, we're talking about things that tend to push people onto very separate sides with different beliefs and points of view. We know a lot of girls go through this, and it can be really stressful and bring up a lot of emotions. Julia helped us understand that a lot of times the main issue is that we're dealing with a binary, or false dichotomy. What that means is sort of a fake choice, where you're only offered two options when really there are many different opinions and ways of thinking about something, including a middle area where you understand and agree with parts of both sides. We're here to tell you that there's really no "right" side in these types of issues - it's all about your lived experience, and the values and beliefs of your family and close community.

We talked with Julia about the idea of getting involved in the culture of outrage we often see on TV and online, which can contribute to keeping us separate and angry at each other. News outlets with biased reporting and negative social media comments can contribute to that outrage and stir things up in a way that can drain your energy and make you feel angry and anxious. Try to be aware of when this is happening, and find ways to stay positive and keep yourself out of those negative news spirals.

Getting all of your news and information about local, national, and world issues from celebrities and other public figures on social media can be a little dangerous - it's important to find trusted sources to help you form your own opinions and know what you stand for. But you don't have to know everything about everything, that would be overwhelming! Figure out which issues you feel strongly about and focus on those. Julia talks about not necessarily having to have a strong opinion about everything, but being open to listening to people's stories and using empathy to come to conclusions.

Something else we talked about is how our opinions about these big topics and issues can be tied to our identity, which is what makes it so hard to not feel like we're being attacked or feed into the outrage culture. But there are some things we can do to help us find connection and a little more peace instead of outrage and anger. Here are some tools we took away from our conversation:

Empathy: This is feeling someone's emotions, passion, or pain and recognizing their experience.

Not dehumanizing another person: This means not bringing someone down from a human level, which can fuel hatred.

Ask questions! Find out where the other person is coming from and have a dialogue.

Doing an energy check: Are you in a good place to approach a hard conversation without negativity or picking a fight? Even just having a bad day can contribute to hurting a relationship when you're having these polarizing conversations.

Intent vs. impact: Recognizing that someone isn't trying to hurt you,

In this episode we’re talking about hair. Now, before you jump to any conclusions about this topic and maybe skip this episode because you’re not into talking about hair, we’re not talking tips and tricks for teasing the perfect curls or how to get out of your house in the morning with the perfect hairstyle in less than 30 minutes; we’re talking about our hair journeys. How we feel about our hair, stereotypes that are out there for girls and women, and how our hair ties to our identity.

This is also our last episode with our co-host Shanna, who got a new job and is moving on to do other great things. We’re going to miss her a ton, but we wish her well!

We’ll be talking about our relationship with our hair. Shanna talks about how her hair routine is like a workout – it makes her feel good but is a lot of work and is kind of the boss of her, and Idelle shares her experience both as a girl and now as an adult navigating the world with short hair paired with her androgynous style.

We get into Shanna’s journey from perming and straightening her hair to letting it grow naturally. This is partly because she wants to try something new that’s better for her hair’s health in general, but it’s also to connect with her cultural identity as a black woman. Shanna shares that this isn’t always easy – there are barriers for African American girls and women, like being accepted at school or in their workplace and being seen as fitting into the dominant culture. She talks about experiences with societal pressures and microaggressions or times she’s been singled out in school, workplaces, and other communities, including people touching her hair in public without asking.

Idelle talks about having short hair for her whole life. She shares that she’s only herself when she has short hair, but it’s not always easy. Even though she loves having short hair and it’s such an important part of her identity, Idelle shares her experiences with being mis-gendered in bathrooms, feeling uncomfortable in certain spaces, and having to be conscious of how she’s presenting in those spaces in order to feel safe or just not be noticed. It’s not all negative – Idelle talks about the comfort she feels with her friends and family and in her workplace, and when she’s out in the gay community with other people who identify as LGBT and share some of the same life experiences.

It’s about identity, how you show up in different spaces, and how you’re allowed to show up. Shanna and Idelle both talk about the importance of finding the right stylist who makes them feel comfortable, powerful, and connected by helping them show up as their full selves in the world, as well as finding safe spaces and people who they feel solidarity with.

How do you feel about your hair? Maybe you feel some connections to Shanna or Idelle’s stories, or maybe your journey is totally different. Think about it!

Stay tuned at the end for our segments Girls Pick and Would You Rather 😊

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This episode features Jessie Houlihan, who is the president of Stahl Construction in Minneapolis, MN. Jessie's passion for workplace culture development, education, empowering women, civil rights and social action, and the environment have led her to build a career that ties together STEM, sustainability, and business to create strong communities and ultimately make the world a better place.

Hannah and Shanna had a great conversation with Jessie about her background, how she got to where she is today, and women in C-suite leadership roles and non-traditional careers like construction and building design.

We asked Jessie why girls should think about going into fields like construction, architecture, engineering, and the built environment, and how these careers contribute to making the world a better place. Her answer is inspiring! We need new voices and thinkers in these fields who are interested in things like balancing construction with sustainability, contributing to a regenerative environment, and bringing new perspectives and ideas to the table. These careers have the potential to make a unique impact, and are ready for women to step in and lead the way.

Jessie talks about designing buildings and cities that are made of durable materials that will last a long time and contribute positively to communities. Buildings that have healthy air quality, are built to be sustainable, and help the people who use them feel connected to nature. We're healthier when we're connected to the environment!

There are so many different education and career options to pursue that contribute to this work. From working at the ground level on the actual construction of buildings, to the architects and engineers who design them, to people like Jessie who manage all the moving parts it takes to plan and create a community and its buildings.

How can girls get into these fields right now? Start with things like researching, reaching out, and getting involved. Set up a job shadow with a professional in the field you’re interested in. Find out what city planners do and engage with them about their work. See if they can come to your school or Girl Scout troop to talk about engineering, architecture, trades, city planning, or sustainable building practices. Just ask! Try it out!

We hope you’ll get as much out of this conversation as we did, and as always, stay tuned at the end for Would You Rather and Girls Pick!

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This episode is part two of our conversation with returning guest Khadra Mohamed about what it means to be a leader. In the first part we talked with Khadra about different leadership experiences and opportunities we've had throughout our lives so far, what kinds of leadership styles come naturally to us, and some things that can keep us from showing up as ourselves. In this part we'll go deeper, talking about how we became leaders and what helped us see ourselves that way.

We'll talk about women in leadership positions who inspire us and how important it is to see women who look like us taking the reins. Representation matters! Khadra talks about not realizing how important it was to see women who looked like her in leadership roles until it happened, how good it felt to see possibilities for herself, and how connected she felt to those women. This can have such a big impact on our self-image and what we believe we're capable of.

We'll also get into how we were encouraged (or if we were encouraged) to take on leadership roles when we were growing up, some differences we've experienced across cultures and families, and what kinds of differences we saw for boys when it came to leadership opportunities. We'll share stories about our first big leadership challenges and how we've grown since then— what was hard, what came naturally, and what we learned about ourselves.

Our takeaways: Leading can be challenging, and there can be barriers along the way, but it can also be so rewarding! You might not always see someone who looks like you in a leadership position, but you could be the one who inspires someone else. We hope you find some inspiration in our experiences that can help you take some risks, put yourself out there, and see yourself as a leader.

As always, stay tuned at the end for our segments Would You Rather and Girls Pick!

This is the last episode of our second season, but we'll be back soon with more GIRL Talk :-) Don’t forget to subscribe, share with friends, and rate and review the show.

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This is part one of a two-part episode about what it means to be a leader with our friend and returning guest Khadra Mohamed. We talked with Khadra about different leadership experiences and opportunities we've had throughout our lives so far like working at camp, taking care of siblings, and stepping up at school or work.

Leadership styles and how we approach leading can be very different. For example, Khadra shared that what leadership looks like for her is showing up, being consistent for the girls she works with, and building trust. She's found that quiet leadership is the best fit for her. This means being herself, and not trying to be too outgoing when it doesn't come naturally.

Being a leader doesn't necessarily mean being vocal, charismatic, or outgoing - there are lots of different kinds of leaders. There's strength in quiet leadership, and introverts can be leaders just as effectively as extroverts. But that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with being outgoing and extroverted! Leaders can be quiet, loud, really hands-on, or more hands-off. Do what comes naturally to you! Showing up as yourself is important. You'll be more effective and authentic, and build stronger, more trusting relationships.

We talked about some things that are hard for us that maybe some girls out there can relate to, like always wanting to seem likable, approachable, and nice. We don't want to come off as mean, aggressive, condescending, or rude, but we know we need to be assertive to get things done in a leadership role. As women and girls, we can stretch ourselves to be comfortable with direct communication and not worry about coming across as being "bossy."

Our takeaways: Being a leader doesn't mean you have to know everything, and it's ok to make mistakes. It's easy to think of leadership as having power or being in command, but really the best part is seeing growth happen in the people we lead. There's no one right way to be a leader. Everyone can lead, and it can look different for different people.

We'll be back with the second part of this episode where we'll dive deeper with Khadra into what it means to be a leader and talk about where we get our inspiration!

Stay tuned at the end for Would You Rather and Girls Pick :-)

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This episode features a conversation with guest expert Karla Benson Rutten on how to talk about race and difference.

Karla works at Girl Scouts River Valleys as the Vice President of Community Engagement, developing strategies to help Girl Scouts be culturally responsive, relevant, and accessible to girls in communities of color. She also founded and runs her own coaching, consulting, and training firm focused on diversity, equity, and inclusion. Karla is a facilitator and advocate with tons of experience in higher education, diversity, social justice, and sexual violence prevention program development, which are important topics that we know a lot of girls are passionate about.

Hannah and Shanna had a great conversation with Karla about representation, trust, building relationships, and how to engage in dialog that will help build your community with people who don't look like you or share your same culture. We'll talk about when we first noticed race and difference, and how it can sometimes be hard to be curious and ask questions about people who are different from ourselves. A lot of what makes it hard comes from things many of us were taught about what is polite or appropriate to talk about, and concepts about race like "colorblindness" that can hinder us from forming relationships with people who are different from us.

Our takeaway— Respect, curiosity, and good intent are important and can be helpful tools for starting conversations. They can help us get past feelings of not wanting to say the wrong thing or fear of sounding ignorant. It's all about acknowledging bias, being open, and expanding what we do to grow ourselves. We hope you'll use some of the tools from this episode to start your own conversations.

Stay tuned at the end for Would You Rather and Girls Pick!

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Some links and resources to dive into

A Different Mirror for Young People: A History of Multicultural America (Ronald Takaki)

A People’s History of the United States (Howard Zinn)

How to Talk To Kids About Race: Books and Resources That Can Help (list books for middle grades and young adult toward end of book list)

Knowing Our History to Build a Brighter Future: Books to Help Kids Understand the Fight for Racial Equality

7 Young Adult Novels That Encourage Discussions on Racism (Age 14+)

Karla’s reading list

Ages 9-12:

June Peters, You Will Change the World One Day (Alika Turner)

Brown Girl Dreaming (Jacqueline Woodson)

Voice of Freedom: Fannie Lou Hamer, Spirit of the Civil Rights Movement (Carole Boston Weatherford)

Let It Shine: Stories of Black Women Freedom Fighters (Andrea Davis Pinkney)

One Crazy Summer (Rita Williams-Garcia)

P.S. Be Eleven (Rita Williams-Garcia)

President of the Whole Fifth Grade (Sherri Winston)

Zora and Me (Victoria Bond & T.R. Simon)

Ages 13 and Up:

Come Here, Girl, Let Me Talk to You: A 30-Day Self-Discovery Journal for Girls About Life (Neda Renee)

The Hate You Give (Angie Thomas)

Piecing Me Together (Renée Watson)

The Sisters Are Alright: Changing the Broken Narrative of Black Women in America (Tamara Winfrey Harris)

Letters to a Young Artist (Anna Deveare Smith)

I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings (Maya Angelou)

Sister Outsider (Audre Lorde)

The Bluest Eye (Toni Morrison)

Their Eyes Were Watching God (Zora Neale Hurston)

For Colored Girls Who Have Considered Suicide/When the Rainbow is Enuf (Ntozake Shange)

Sister Citizen (Melissa Harris-Perry)

The Color Purple (Alice Walker)

Kindred (Octavia Butler)

Redefining Realness (Janet Mock)

Sister of the Yam: Black Women and Self-Recovery (bell hooks)

The Crunk Feminist Collective (Brittney Cooper, Susana Morris, & Robin Boylorn)

In this episode we're talking with Eaden, who is a high school senior. We had a great conversation about her experience with social media and the huge role it plays in her friend group and school.

We talked with Eaden about how social media is a big part of a lot of girls' lives when it comes to connecting with friends, keeping up with news, and showing the world who you are. It ties into things like self-esteem, identity, and being accepted by your peers. You might hear some of your own experience in Eaden's story, or maybe yours is totally different.

Eaden shared her perspective on what it would be like to opt out of social media, including some of the potential social consequences and benefits like feeling more present with her friend group. She talks about doing things like putting her phone on "do not disturb" when she's out with friends to be in the moment, and how she tries to give herself a little break when she's feeling drained.

Think about your social media use - how do posts, likes, and followers make you feel? Do you feel good when you're interacting with people on social media, or does it sometimes feel bad? And if it feels bad, are there ways you can limit yourself and stay away from some of the unhealthy aspects? Are there times you don't really show your true self? Think about it!

As always, stay tuned at the end for Would You Rather and a special Girls Pick with our girl guest.

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In this episode we had a lot of fun getting into one of Hannah and Shanna's favorite subjects - video games! We know there are a lot of podcasts out there about gaming, but we hope you'll get a little something different from our conversation. We'll talk about what we love about gaming, how we got started, and what we look for in a game. We'll also share our thoughts about female characters and discuss how we take up space as women in the mostly male-dominated gaming culture.

This is the sister to episode 2: "Girl, Get Outside!" which is all about how great it is to get a dose of nature for your self-care. On the flip side of that, sometimes you just want to stay inside and solve a complex puzzle, chase zombies, score a few touchdowns, build a civilization from the virtual ground up, or save a beautifully crafted alternate universe from impending doom, all from the comfort of your couch. We find gaming helps us recharge and take a sometimes-necessary break from thinking about school, work, and life, while still keeping our mind active. It can also be a great way to socialize in online communities (make sure you're being safe!) or spend time with friends and family playing multi-player games.

Hannah and Shanna describe why they've always loved gaming and the important part it has played in their lives for relaxation, alone time, family time, and even development of critical thinking skills. We know there are girls out there who can relate! Even if you don't relate, it's fun to hear personal perspectives on a subject that most of us have probably had at least a little bit of experience with. And if this is all brand new to you, maybe give it a try!

Our takeaways: You don't have to be perfect to call yourself a gamer, and there's no one way or right way to play. Video games can be more than just a way to pass the time— they can be meaningful experiences that transport you to another world, and can be a great way to connect with others or spend needed time alone to recharge.

As always, stay tuned at the end for our segments Would You Rather and Girls Pick!

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