Glimmering Podcast

We borrow a little Agile trick to check in with each other: What have we tried, what are we stopping, what are we continuing, what will we start?

After an introductory plea to take it easy on yourself and your family, and to focus on Love First, Fix Later, we answer the following listener questions:

How do I prevent losing my motherhood mind while at home full time with my toddler?

How do I keep my not-independent 6 year old busy all day while I work?

What are some good non-candy rewards/motivators?

What might an appropriate meal plan look like?

How can I get some time for my own brain?

Are there free online educational resources I can use? Yes! Here!

How important is it to limit recreational screen time?

What are some exercise ideas that won’t bore me to death?

How do you balance/negotiate the needs of 2 working parents, especially when he refuses to stay home and help? And are there ways to achieve long blocks of focus or do you just always chunk out the day in bits?

What are good resources for pre-k (4yr old) and 1st grade (6 year old)?

Show Notes

Laura's post on: How to occupy your kids during the pandemic (the academic version)

BusinessInsider post on: Here's how much work your brain can handle before needing a break

Reward items our kids love

Amazon affiliate links - thanks for helping us pay the bills!

Toy Advent Calendars

Japanese erasers

Mochi squishies

Laura's friend Graeme Seabrook does 1-1 coaching for moms and runs a support community called The Mom Center. Graeme’s coaching focus is to dismantle the cultural and systemic structures that keep co-parenting relationships from being equitable. If you need help navigating these negotiations with your partner, we highly suggest you check out her work. Her website is graemeseabrook.com.

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In this episode we are once again catching up after a long unintended break! Lots has happened to the Camachos since we were last here 6 months ago. While we skim over some of the low points of 2019, this episode is mostly a retrospective of Marriage Startup and Glimmering 1.0, plus a lot of excitement about the future of Glimmering and this podcast.

Don’t worry! We’re not going anywhere. The archives will be disappearing, though, for the sake of family privacy. So go back and listen to your favorites (they’re at glimmeringpodcast.com) while you can! And if there are any you loved and want to hear again, email us and we will consider a re-release.

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In this episode, Leslie and Sophia are launching the first of their new segment, called “Ask Me Anything Dad.” It’s a wide-ranging discussion with a 12 year old about beliefs, sexuality, and identity. If you’re a parent, or just someone who is curious about what’s going on in the minds of “kids these days” this could be gold for you. Support Glimmering Podcast

In this episode, we talk about what our first Easter was like after both of us left the Christian Church. For the past few years, we haven't really celebrated Easter in a religious context, opting for brunch with friends or just our own little quiet family egg hunt and special breakfast. This year, we participated in the Easter programming at our Universalist Unitarian fellowship: our first religious holiday separated from our religion of origin.

First, we talk about where we are at, spiritually and religiously. Leslie doesn't identify as a Christian anymore; Laura does but in a "'f!ck you' to mainstream Evangelicalism" kind of way. In truth, we're pretty much in the same place, just with a little variance on our expression of our beliefs.

Next, we debrief our experience with the Easter service at UUFCO. (spoiler: we loved it!), and talk about what it was like to celebrate Easter without an emphasis on Jesus/resurrection.

We each climb up on a soapbox in this episode. You can find some of Laura's here.

Some corrections: Laura got the date of the Pulse nightclub shooting totally wrong. Leslie referred to the shooter as a white supremacist, when actually he was an Afghani-American with a history of domestic violence and an affinity for ISIL. We apologize. We could use the excuse that there are so many mass shootings to keep track of nowadays, but we really ought to have done our homework if we were going to talk about a specific one.

Content note: Clearly, there's a lot of talk about religious stuff in this episode, mostly Christianity. :)

Support the Glimmering Podcast.Support Glimmering PodcastLinks:Episode 73: Easter for the Broken — Last year's Easter episode. It's exciting to see how far we've come!Episode 79: Scalzian Mystics — Another episode about our spiritual and religious journeys.Laura's FB post about leaving the Christian church — In the Christianity I was raised by and ever encountered, the “world” was only ever framed as something working against Christians and Christianity. “The world” was something Christians were only ever responsible for engaging in vague, spiritual ways: “thoughts and prayers.” Never, ever actual political involvement, protest, or any of the avenues set up for making human change.TalkTalk, a song by A Perfect Circle on Spotify — Laura's religious anthem.Orlando nightclub shooting - Wikipedia

In this episode, we’re talking about what’s new in Camacho World - turns out, it’s a lot! Leslie talks about being let go (getting fired) while maintaining friendships; Laura talks us through Alana's vision issues, and... well, that's more than enough really.

This is a super casual, barely scripted chat about job stuff, health stuff, new adventures, stress, and hope. If you like to hear about our personal stuff, this is the episode for you! ;)Support Glimmering PodcastLinks:Growing Pains: Transitioning from an Entrepreneurship to a Professionally Managed Firm: Eric G. Flamholtz, Yvonne Randle: 9780787986162: Amazon.com: Gateway — Since it was first published in 1986, Growing Pains has become a classic resource for understanding how start-ups can make the transition to become large, professionally-managed organizations that maintain the special spark that launched them. In the fourth edition of Growing Pains, authors Eric Flamholtz and Yvonne Randle have thoroughly revised and updated the book to include new ideas and concepts including information about strategic planning, Sarbanes-Oxley, family businesses, and overcoming growing pains, as well as new examples and cases of companies.Leslie Camacho | LinkedIn — Leslie is the espresso-swilling, D&D-rolling, latino nerd of the Glimmering team. By day he's helping agency owners succeed by improving every aspect of their operations and processes so the owners and talent can have better lives, increase profits, and create happier clients. After hours, he's into hiking, cycling, playing obscure board games, WoW with Laura, and chilling with the kids and dog. He likes his metal like he likes his politics, progressive.

In this episode, we’re talking about kids and media consumption - what does science say about screen time? How do we sort out the fear mongering from the useful data? What are our own practices in the Camacho household, and what might we want to change?

Leslie introduces the topic with some thoughts on the balance of screen time and other activities. We talk about how we want our kids to enjoy a wide variety of activities without relying on digital media to keep themselves entertained.

Laura presents her thoughts on the research on screen time. The data is inconclusive. While scientists have made some observations in some populations, even those are not consistent across all populations. Laura rants about the tons of junk "science" reports acting like correlation is causation, and villifying screen time as the source of all evil and unhappiness in the world. The bottom line is, this is a new area of research and it's going to take probably another decade to be able to make any conclusive statements.

The only evidence that shocked Laura was that across many studies, kids are apparently averaging around 6-8 hours of entertainment (not including in-school or homework-related) screentime per day. The Camacho household limits kids to 2 hours of screen-based entertainment on most days, so this left us feeling like maybe our concerns about how much time our kids are on screens are misplaced!

If you read nothing else on the subject of screentime, this NPR interview with Jordan Shapiro, a Temple University professor whose background is in philosophy and psychology, is golden. Shapiro's guiding principle of parenting in the digital age is engagement and relationship.

Laura loved this because it goes back to the basics of episode 80: the most important indicator of raising successful adults is parents who created a warm, trusting, emotionally-connected/involved relationship with their kids. We need to do this for our kids within the digital world.

We have to engage digital content alongside our kids, and teach them when they are very young how to be discerning of the content they consume, compassionate in their treatment of the people hidden by their avatars, etc.

Leslie takes a turn ranting about privacy issues, brain hacking, and the general evilness of Big Tech - knowledge from which we should not shelter our kids.

We circle back to a sense of optimism: This isn't as fraught as it seems; we just have to be realistic about our situation. We have entered the digital age, we are parents of the digital age, and our parenting is going to have to evolve if it’s going to be effective. Ironically, that evolution only needs to widen the same basic principles of good parenting (connection, trust, conversation) to include the digital world.Support Glimmering PodcastLinks:Forget Screen Time Rules — Lean In To Parenting Your Wired Child, Author Says : NPR — If we want to get rid of the horrible stuff happening on Twitter right now, then we need to model it for kids when they're 7 and all they want to do is be like their parents. Landmark Report: U.S. Teens Use an Average of Nine Hours of Media Per Day, Tweens Use Six Hours | Common Sense Media — Common Sense Media finds that teenagers (ages 13-18) use an average of nine hours of entertainment media per day and that tweens (ages 8-12) use an average of six hours a day, not including time spent using media for school or homework.Screen time kids study: Groundbreaking study examines effects of screen time on kids - 60 Minutes - CBS News — ...your telephone in the 1970s didn't have a thousand engineers on the other side of the telephone who were redesigning it to work with other telephones and then updating the way your telephone worked every day to be more and more persuasive.What is "brain hacking"? Tech insiders on why you should care - CBS News — An Anderson Cooper interview with Silicon developer Tristan Harris, on "brain hacking" - how technology is created to be addictive.The Orville - Wikipedia — A show we are watching and discussing in real time with Sophia.ABCD Study — The Adolescent Brain Cognitive Development (ABCD) Study is the largest long-term study of brain development and child health in the United States. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) funded leading researchers in the fields of adolescent development and neuroscience to conduct this ambitious project. Is Screen Time Bad for Kids’ Brains? - The New York Times — A very thorough commentary on the ABCD study. I don't usually link to paywalled content, but this one is worth the use of one of your free NYT reads, if you are interested in this topic.The 21st Century Skinner Box - Behavioral Scientist — A truly chilling look at how Big Tech can manipulate our preferences. Why I don’t worry about my kids’ screen time, Part 1 | Project Based Homeschooling — This is a fantastic series of blog posts about active vs. passive screen time, scarcity vs. abundance mindset about activities, and an altogether sane and respectful approach to teaching kids priorities and limits. The links to the rest in the series are listed at the bottom of the linked post.How I limited screen time by offering my kids unlimited screen time. | Narrowback Slacker — This is how the Camacho household aspires to run its screen agreements - the list of requirements must be met before screens go on.‎Distance Over Time (Bonus Track Version) by Dream Theater on Apple Music — Barstool Warrior is one of Dream Theater's best songs. The rest of the album is great too!‎This Land by Gary Clark Jr. on Apple Music — The title track, This Land, hits me in the gut. "I'm America's son." Damn straight. ‎The Verdict by Queensrÿche on Apple Music — The 3rd album with "new" lead singer Todd La Torre is their best yet with this lineup. Gary Clark Jr - This Land [Official Music Video] - YouTube — Required viewing for Glimmering listeners.

In this episode, we talk about media consumption - what media held a deep influence in our early years, what’s been recently life-changing and what we’re currently enjoying.

We talk about what it’s like to give ourselves permission to simply enjoy the media we love, and how it enriches our lives and relationships. And we wonder if we need to be more critical about our indulgences, making room for other activities. All of this leads into next episode’s topic: Kids and Media.Support Glimmering PodcastLinks:The Gentleman's Guide to Vice & Virtue | The Lady's Guide to Petticoats & Piracy — Laura's enjoying these books by Mackenzi Lee.Play the original Civilization online! — Laura's in full nerdy ecstasy, having found this.The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel — One of our favorite shows right now.Watch Survivor | Prime Video — Several seasons are available on Amazon Prime.OverDrive: eBooks, audiobooks and videos for libraries — One of Laura's favorite apps.Seeing White – Scene on Radio — Why? Where did the notion of “whiteness” come from? What does it mean? What is whiteness for?

Scene on Radio host and producer John Biewen took a deep dive into these questions, along with an array of leading scholars and regular guest Dr. Chenjerai Kumanyika, in this fourteen-part documentary series, released between February and August 2017. The series editor is Loretta Williams.Dream Theater - Distance Over Time (Amazon Music) — If you like prog rock or metal, you'll probably love Dream Theater's Distance Over Time, especially Barstool Warrior. Yes, that is a dumb song name but the song is incredible. ‎Bowls - Tibetan Singing Bowls on the App Store — This is not a great app. Leslie is trying to find a better one. But, it gets the job done! The sounds are authentic and help Leslie relax.HE-MAN AND THE MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE Title Sequence — Why is it in all caps? Watch and it will make sense... probably.The Toys That Made Us - Netflix — We can't say enough great things about this toy documentary series on Netflix! Learn the history of Barbie, G.I. Joe, He-Man, Hello Kitty, and many more.She-Ra and the Princesses of Power Reboot on Netflix — An excellent reboot of the original! We love it and our kids do too!Robotech / Roboverse — Robotech is Leslie's favorite cartoon of all time and his still in his top 10 media. From the official website, "Robotech is a sweeping science-fiction anime epic of humans defending their home world against alien domination. The saga is told through the eyes of characters caught up in a series of wars that erupts when a mysterious spacecraft crash-lands on Earth at the turn of the millennium. The secrets of alien knowledge aboard this vessel were unlocked, leading to the development of "Robotechnology" and the creation of a vast arsenal of robotic "mecha" to defend the Earth against the alien threats that would eventually strike to lay claim to the mysterious power source known as "protoculture."

ROBOTECH has often been called a "space opera" because it is not just action-packed entertainment, but also an engaging drama.ROBOTECH™ OPENING HD with Original Robotech™ opening theme (From pachinko™ machines) - YouTube — Robotech opening title sequence. This one has been remastered by a super fan for HD. [Monty Python] The Beatles of Comedy - The Atlantic — "It’s a pity that the word irreverent has lost its weight, so that it’s come to seem a mere synonym for cheeky. The Pythons were irreverent in the deepest sense. They had automatic respect for nothing. Everything was fit matter for comedy: religion, national differences, cannibalism, Hitler, torture, death, crucifixion. They created a parallel world in which nothing was serious. They were like boys: they not only weren’t afraid; they didn’t know they should be afraid."Why Modular Productivity Softwares Are Only Just Beginning — “Modular Productivity Software” is a term to explain applications that allow you freedom to customise layout and help you to get things done.

Software like Notion, Airtable, Coda and Milanote are perfect examples of modular productivity software. Helping you to plan your tasks, manage lists, co-ordinate projects and bring forward ideas, all in one workspace.

The best way to describe modular productivity software is as online lego."

CW: This episode has references to personal experiences with disordered eating and calorie and food restriction, and includes us eating (no sounds!) and responding to food.

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In this episode, we talk about our own hangups with food consumption and explore how mindfulness could help us bring our Love Deeply ethos into meal time.

Mindfulness is defined as the act of focusing attention on present-moment experiences. Mindful Eating would then be: focusing the whole of your attention on the details of your food/eating experience.

Leslie initially hates this idea, but Laura explains it a bit and he adjusts. Laura talks about how she's discovered that instagramming her food has become the way she prays before a meal, and how that in itself is an act of mindfulness and intentional gratitude.

Laura briefly goes over the emerging scientific evidence of mindfulness being an important health practice, and mindful eating sharing some of those benefits. She reminds us that Zen Buddhism has been teaching this for thousands of years and that it can be a good thing without Western scientists telling us "why." Leslie admits his love of Western medicine-backed empirical evidence.

Then we do a little mindful eating practice with actual food. Here are the questions we ask each other as we partake. We were both surprised by some of our responses!

What if food is an expression of love - for each other and our bodies?

What if we saw each bite was a gift to our bodies?

What if we gave ourselves permission to just enjoy what we eat when we eat it, instead of thinking about how we can rid our bodies of its calories later?

What if we loved our bodies enough to listen to their needs:

what food they wanted

when they wanted it

and when to stop

If you try eating mindfully after listening, or are a veteran of mindful eating yourself, we would love to hear about your experience!Support Glimmering PodcastLinks:What are the benefits of mindfulness? — This article offers an overview of the research on mindfulness and discusses its implications for practice, research and training.Mindful eating - Harvard Health — This article includes a list of tips to help you get started eating slower and more mindfully.Does the Mindfulness Diet Work? | Time.com — Surprisingly, people who used the diary lost just as much weight as those on a meditation program. Three months later, they even surpassed the meditation group in maintaining their weight loss.

Best of all, people did not even have to write in their answers to reap the benefits. Another experiment found that just considering the questions in the diary, without putting pen to paper, resulted in a more mindful meal.Effects of changes in eating speed on obesity in patients with diabetes: a secondary analysis of longitudinal health check-up data | BMJ Open — "Eating quickly is associated with impaired glucose tolerance and insulin resistance, and is a known risk factor for diabetes through increases in body weight. Other studies have also reported associations between eating quickly and increased BMI, indicating that eating speed is a contributing factor for obesity. A possible reason for this association is that fast eaters may continue to eat until they feel full despite having already consumed an adequate amount of calories, and the combined effect of eating quickly and overeating may contribute to weight gain. In contrast, eating slowly may help to increase feelings of satiety before an excessive amount of food is ingested."Eating attentively: a systematic review and meta-analysis of the effect of food intake memory and awareness on eating — Evidence indicated that eating when distracted produced a moderate increase in immediate intake but increased later intake to a greater extent. Mindful Eating and Weight Loss, Results from a Randomized Trial — Results indicated that [Eat Smart, Move More, Weigh Less] participants lost more weight than participants in the waitlist control group...Study results suggest that there is a beneficial association between mindful eating and weight loss.Body and Mind: Mindfulness Helps Consumers to Compensate for Prior Food Intake by Enhancing the Responsiveness to Physiological Cues — Consumers who are chronically high in mindfulness or who receive a short mindfulness training that focuses attention on the body compensate more for previous food intake in their subsequent consumption. Thrive Tribe Paleo Bites- Cacao Nib Snack Clusters — The little snacky things we ate on the show.Beginner's Body Scan Meditation - Mindful — A hilarious essay on how your first body scan session will probably go. ;)

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During the first few “body scans” I mostly thought about lunch and how my butt compares to other butts anywhere on the planet. Every so often I would notice a sensation in my body. When I did, I immediately became alarmed or bored or my mind just wandered off to Taco Bell.A 3-Minute Body Scan Meditation to Cultivate Mindfulness - Mindful — A VERY brief mindfulness meditation practice to relax your body and focus your mind - a good one to try directly before a meal.

(There's audio to guide you, and also a script to read, so you know what you're getting into.)Why Mindfulness And Trauma-Informed Teaching Don't Always Go Together | MindShift | KQED News — We are adding this article as an acknowledgement that mindfulness is not always helpful and certainly not a one-size-fits-all solution to every problem. If you find a mindfulness practice triggering to you, please stop and take care of yourself in ways that work for you.

Thank you for listening to the Glimmering Podcast! Help support us by leaving a star rating or review in iTunes, sharing our posts on social media, or becoming a patron. Supporters on Patreon will get a sneak peek of Leslie's new podcast!

This is the second episode in a quarter-long deep dive into the general theme of Consumption. This episode is headed up by Laura about Food Waste - a look at the food we don’t eat: why we don’t, where it goes, and how to do better - all through a “Live Justly” lens.

In this episode, Laura talks about how an estimated 40 percent of food in the United States goes uneaten, and according to even the most conservative estimates, Americans waste 160 billion dollars worth of food each year. One of the biggest wastes of food happens at the farm - overproduction, weather or insect damage, and perfectly good crops left to rot because of labor shortages.

At the consumer level, confusion about sell-by dates contributes most to food wastage. We take some time discussing how arbitrary and unscientific sell-by/use-by dates are, and then have a quiz based on real-life questions from Laura's secret food group friends.

Next, we discuss two big areas of injustice happening with regards to food waste.

Human justice: people are still hungry. 15 million American households in 2017 experienced food insecurity. That’s almost 12% of our population. While food banks do valuable work for communities, the root of the problem is a political one. Overproduction is possible because it's so cheap to produce food - because we underpay our food workers from farm to table.

In "The High Cost of Cheap Labor," Philip Martin, a professor of agricultural and resource economics at the University of California, Davis, concludes that raising farmworker wages 40 percent across the board would add a mere $21.15 to the annual budget of every American household. (Remember, we supposedly waste almost $2000 worth of food per family of four, per year.)

We touch briefly on the atrocity of prison labor. You can find more articles on that in the show notes.

Secondly: Climate Justice. Carelessness with overproduction is causing great harm to the environment. The energy that goes into the production, harvesting, transporting, and packaging of food that ends up in the trash, generates more than 3.3 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide. Then once it is in the trash, food waste in landfills is responsible for 23% of all methane emissions and 4.5% of all U.S. greenhouse gas emissions [source].

Finally, we talk about what we are doing in our household to reduce our food waste; what's happening at a local level; and what needs to happen globally. Packaging waste is a big problem, especially since Americans are bad at recycling properly, and we talk about a new initiative to eliminate single-use product containers for big brands in many households.

Ultimately, it's up to us to do what we can, where we can. Support Glimmering PodcastLinks:Improving date labeling policies and practices can decrease consumer confusion, which will not only reduce food waste, but also improve food safety. — Improving date labeling policies and practices can decrease consumer confusion, which will not only reduce food waste, but also improve food safety.Food Recovery Hierarchy | Sustainable Management of Food | US EPA — The Food Recovery Hierarchy prioritizes actions organizations can take to prevent and divert wasted food.How Reducing Food Waste Could Ease Climate Change | Food Waste: from field to fork — The energy that goes into the production, harvesting, transporting, and packaging of that wasted food, meanwhile, generates more than 3.3 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide.What 'Sell By,' 'Best Before' And 'Use By' Dates Really Mean — How (and why) to safely ignore the "sell by" dates and avoid wasting so much food at home.Food Waste | ICCR (Interfaith Center on Corporate Responsibility) — Food waste in landfills is responsible for 23% of all methane emissions and 4.5% of all U.S. greenhouse gas emissions. Food waste also includes precious natural resources, accounting for 25% of water, 30% of fertilizer, and 31% of cropland wastage in the U.S. Thread by @SarahTaber_bww: a rant about the Ugly Produce companies — The food system is a hot mess but using ugly produce is one thing it's actually really good at. Using every single part of what's grown, if there's any possible way to sell it.

The one big source of food waste that I *do* worry about is crops that are perfectly good, and rot in the field bc the farm can't get anybody to harvest them. (Orrrrr they don't want to pay enough for people to come harvest them.)Thread by @SarahTaber_bww connecting the Japanese internment to criminalizing Latinx immigrants — The initial call for Japanese internment came mere hours after the Pearl Harbor bombing, from the Salinas Valley Vegetable Grower-Shipper Association.

AKA, Japanese internment was initiated by the California farm lobby.

Op-ed | Here's the ugly truth about the ugly produce movement — One take on the problems with the ugly produce companies: VC-backed startups are commodifying need and undermining food banks and CSAs while they're at it. It's a market solution disguised as activism.How governments around the world are encouraging food waste initiatives — A comprehensive list from Winnow, a commercial kitchen technology company designed to reduce food waste.The High Cost of Cheap Labor - Modern Farmer — Raising farmworker wages 40 percent across the board would add a mere $21.15 to the annual budget of every American household.

Prison Labor in America: How Is It Legal? - The Atlantic — Inmates at Angola, once cleared by the prison doctor, can be forced to work under threat of punishment as severe as solitary confinement. Legally, this labor may be totally uncompensated; more typically inmates are paid meagerly—as little as two cents per hour—for their full-time work in the fields, manufacturing warehouses, or kitchens. Prison strike 2018: federal prisoners work factory jobs for much less than the minimum wage - Vox — Because prison labor is so cheap, federal and state governments can sell prison-made goods and services to private companies at rock-bottom prices, creating a labor-market incentive for mass incarceration.How Long Does Your Favorite Food Last? StillTasty.com | Your Ultimate Shelf Life Guide — How long will your favorite food or beverage stay safe and tasty? What's the best way to store it?

Get the answers for thousands of items!High Desert Food & Farm Alliance: local food for Central Oregon — A Central Oregon non-profit improving food access, supporting farmers, and creating a more equitable food system.Help! I don’t know how to recycle anymore. | Grist — ...for years and years and years, American consumers never thought twice about what they threw away. It was China making its big “No thanks!” announcement that has forced us to realize that what we discard may actually not have any greater destination than the landfill. It’s like atheism, for waste.Meet Loop, the new zero-waste platform for consumer products — TerraCycle worked with companies like Procter & Gamble, Nestle, PepsiCo, Unilever, and more than a dozen others for over a year to develop the new platform. Each package in the system is designed for 100 or more uses.Don't Fear That Expired Food : The Salt : NPR — Those "sell by" dates are there to protect the reputation of the food. They have very little to do with food safety. If you're worried whether food has started to go bad, just smell it.Buy Recycled One-Use Paper Products — If every household in the United States replaced just one roll of virgin fiber toilet paper (500 sheets) with 100% recycled ones, we could save 423,900 trees.

We are going to phase out of Kirkland brand household paper goods, and start using recycled or reusable alternatives.