Stephen Mcwhirter talks with Adam Carpenter from Watershed Music Group, which handles such artist as Belonging Co., Jeremy Riddle, Jason Upton, Jaye Thomas, and Rick Pino. The two talk about what Watershed Music Group does, and how disappointment doesn't define our destinies.

Stephen interviews Paul Herman from CCLI. They discuss what CCLI is, and how as a worship copyright licensing company, they steward what they been called too, by seeking the Lord in all they do.

Stephen and Joel talk about why name the podcast, "GOD IS REAL PODCAST" ? Also, they share some of what God is doing in this new season with the launch of Stephen going solo and what that means for the band, IRON BELL MUSIC.