GOING ROGUE Podcast with Angie Manson

In this episode of Going Rogue, Angie sits down with Shelly Grimm — Financial Consultant, Author, and Founder of The Perpetual Caregiver — for an honest, surprising conversation about what caregiving really looks like when it starts young, gets messy, and becomes your entire life.

Shelly shares the powerful origin of her work: becoming her mother’s caregiver at five years old, navigating impossible family dynamics, and learning critical life skills out of sheer survival. Together, Angie and Shelly break down why caregivers are often the last to take care of themselves, why “paralysis by analysis” keeps people stuck, and how accountability (and the right support system) can help families prepare for life’s uninvited challenges.

They also explore Shelly’s signature tool, the Family Love Letter — a practical way to organize essential information (passwords, policies, documents, storage units, and more) so families can avoid chaos when crisis hits. If you’re a caregiver, a business owner, a parent, or someone who feels responsible for everyone else… this episode will feel like a deep exhale and a roadmap forward.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode

• Why caregiving often becomes default, not a choice — and how that shapes identity
• The hidden cost of caregiver burnout (and why it affects everyone)
• How to break through overwhelm with small steps + accountability
• Why most people don’t need more info — they need help sorting what matters
• The real-world importance of having your essentials organized (passwords, benefits, policies, directives)
• How Shelly is building a nationwide caregiver support ecosystem: tools, retreats, content, and concierge-style help

Timestamps 

• 00:00 Intro + Angie welcomes Shelly
• 03:00 Caregiving by default: starting at age five
• 09:00 Family dynamics, survival skills, and role reversal
• 15:00 Community support: “do one small thing” mentality
• 22:00 Why one-size-fits-all advice doesn’t work (and why people get overwhelmed)
• 30:00 The vision: concierge-level caregiver support + subscription help
• 38:00 The Family Love Letter: what it is and why it matters
• 48:00 Accountability, habit-building, and getting unstuck
• 56:00 Where to find Shelly + her book + what’s coming next

Shelly Grimm is a Financial Consultant, Author, and Founder of The Perpetual Caregiver, where she empowers families facing chronic illness and life disruptions with tools, education, and real-world support. Recognized as a “Ladypreneur” by the Worldwide Women’s Association, Shelly brings 27 years of financial expertise and a deep personal history as a lifelong caregiver.

Her journey began caring for her mother — the first woman diagnosed with Crohn’s disease in the U.S. in 1956 — and includes legal emancipation at 13 and a turning point at 17 that forced her to flee her hometown. Today, Shelly helps families transform their “broken bricks” into a foundation for resilience, dignity, and peace of mind through resources like the Family Love Letter and caregiver-focused retreats.

Links & Resources

• Website: https://www.theperpetualcaregiver.com/
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/perpetualcaregiver/
• Book: “Some Asses Just Need Wiping” (available on Amazon)

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Part 2 of my epic conversation with retired Navy SEAL and bestselling author of The Attributes, Rich Diviney! In this episode, we dive deep into human performance—everything from the elements that shape it to the process behind writing his book. Rich also shares exciting details about his upcoming second book, which we’re all eagerly anticipating. Along the way, we touch on identity and its evolution, and the complexities of parenting. And here’s a fun twist—I discovered that Rich and I share a love for the same legendary band! Any guesses on who it might be? Hint: This band’s music ties directly into the concept of "precision aggression"—the ability to be highly aggressive and laser-focused under extreme stress, just like in Navy SEAL missions.

Do you have what it takes to succeed in any situation? According to Rich Diviney, a retired commander who ran training for Navy SEALs, optimal performance goes far beyond technical skill. It’s about understanding THE ATTRIBUTES.

“Diviney’s incredible book explains why some people thrive, even when the going gets tough.” — Charles Duhigg, New York Times bestselling author of The Power of Habit

Over his twenty years as a Navy officer and SEAL, Rich was deeply involved in the SEAL selection process, which narrowed down hundreds of exceptional candidates to a few elite performers. He was often surprised by who made it and who didn’t. Some candidates had all the right skills but still failed, while others, who might’ve seemed less promising, turned out to be top performers. He realized that the objective criteria they relied on weren’t telling him the whole story. What he really needed to know was: Who would succeed in one of the world’s most challenging military environments?

And let’s be honest—it’s hard to predict success in the real world, too.

There are plenty of stories where underdog students achieve remarkable success while skilled, motivated professionals fail to meet expectations. Startups surge ahead while well-funded companies crumble. Teams packed with talent can falter, while unexpected individuals rise to the top. Over decades of selecting top-tier special operators, Diviney discovered that hidden beneath outward skills were crucial attributes—traits like adaptability, courage, cunning, even a bit of narcissism—that ultimately determine how resilient, aware, and conscientious someone is. These attributes play a massive role in both individual and team performance.

Rich’s methodology, honed in the high-stakes world of the military, can be applied in any context—personal or professional. Understanding these core attributes, both in yourself and others, can unlock peak performance at any time and in any situation.

In his book, Diviney breaks down these core attributes in fresh, practical ways, drawing from his experiences in the military, business, sports, relationships, and even parenting. By understanding the attributes that drive us, we can create optimal performance across every area of our lives.

The re-released first installment of this powerful episode dives into one of Rich Diviney’s most fascinating concepts: understanding the difference between super-tasking and task switching — and what it reveals about your performance under pressure.

Rich Diviney, bestselling author of The Attributes and retired Navy SEAL commander, brings decades of elite military and leadership experience to this conversation. From his years shaping specialized SEAL selection programs to helping develop the first-ever Mind Gym for cognitive performance, Rich has a unique perspective on what makes humans thrive in demanding environments.

In Part 1, he breaks down:
 🔹 The truth behind “multitasking”
 🔹 Why only a tiny percentage of people are true super-taskers
 🔹 How self-awareness improves performance
 🔹 The attributes that matter more than skills
 🔹 Why stress reveals who we really are — and what we rely on

This episode sets the foundation for understanding how your internal wiring shapes your behavior, your leadership style, and your ability to adapt. A perfect listen for anyone looking to elevate their mindset, performance, or clarity in how they operate day to day.

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Former Navy SEAL turned clinical therapist Dr. Tony Dice joins Angie to share the raw story behind his spiral into addiction, the moment everything broke, and the decision to “participate in his own rescue.” From contracting overseas and living in fight-or-flight to selling his car to stay in rehab, Dr. Dice walks us through the hard won lessons that shaped his Holistic Change Model (HC-Mod)—a practical framework therapists and recovery communities are adopting to create real, lasting change.

They dig into trauma as the root, why “powerlessness” didn’t fit his path, the role of movement and community (yes, CrossFit), and how service became the antidote. Plus: his upcoming book After the Trident: A Navy SEAL’s Battle with Secrets, Shame, and Addiction, Bishop & Dice Defense, and the Mountain Seed Foundation’s family-based resilience work in war-torn regions.

If you’ve ever believed you could “muscle through it” alone—this conversation is your wake-up call.

• High-performance identities & hidden collapse (SEAL → contractor → addiction)
• Trauma, hyper-arousal, and why civilian life can feel “wrong” post-deployment
• The moment of truth: choosing treatment (and paying for it)
• Building HC-Mod: stages of change → narrative work → CBT action → meaning/purpose
• Movement & community: CrossFit, routine, accountability
• Family systems: why you can’t heal in isolation
• Service as recovery; “teach to teach” as a force multiplier
• Writing After the Trident and telling the truth responsibly

Dr. Tony Dice is a former Navy SEAL turned clinical therapist, speaker, author, and co-founder of Bishop & Dice Defense, serving veterans, first responders, and high performers. He developed the Holistic Change Model (HC-Mod) for trauma/addiction recovery and is the author of After the Trident: A Navy SEAL’s Battle with Secrets, Shame, and Addiction (now on preorder).
IG: @dr.tonydice • Site: bishopdicedefense.com

• Dr. Tony Dice — IG @dr.tonydice | bishopdicedefense.com
• Book: After the Trident (preorder)
• Mountain Seed Foundation (family-based resilience work)
• Bishop & Dice Defense

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Angie sits down with Irish-born creator and mental-health advocate Brian Higgins, founder of Mental Healthy Fit, to explore how creativity, storytelling, and community can rewire trauma responses and fuel long-term recovery. From growing up amid The Troubles in Northern Ireland and conflict-based PTSD to homelessness in the U.S., Brian shares the moment two kids “shot” him with banana guns—sparking a life-saving reframing that became his program helping veterans, students, and people in recovery transform pain into purpose.

Guest: Brian Higgins — Founder, Mental Healthy Fit (Films • Ideas • Tips)
Website: mentalhealthyfit.org

What we cover

• Growing up during The Troubles & conflict-based PTSD
• Why “everyone is affected by mental health” (the 1-in-1 idea)
• The line between diagnosis, experience, and language (e.g., PTSD in everyday speech)
• Homelessness, relapse, and the moment that changed everything: bananas over bullets
• Neuroplasticity in plain English: reframing, lucid dreaming, and replacing fear images
• Building Mental Healthy Fit: creative workshops that turn emotions into films
• Why the audience matters: making help actionable for families, staff, and communities
• LEAP: Listen • Empathize • Agree • Partner — a simple framework to “hold space”
• Youth, veterans, schools, and workplaces: adapting creativity for each setting
• Purpose as relapse prevention: staying sober by serving others

Key Takeaways

• Reframing works: changing the image your brain uses to encode fear can reduce triggers.
• Creativity is a bridge: stories built around emotions (fear, anger, love) connect people better than clinical labels alone.
• Community needs “how-to” help: it’s not enough to tell people “ask for help”—we must also teach supporters how to respond.
• Small catalysts change big lives: one imaginative moment can unlock recovery momentum.
• Purpose sustains sobriety: sharing your gifts keeps the lights on in recovery.

00:00 — Brian’s introduction & “1-in-1” mental health lens
05:20 — The Troubles, family targeting, and hypervigilance
12:30 — Peace process, division, and learning to cross lines
18:40 — Coming to the U.S., when PTSD finally shows up
24:15 — Homelessness, psych wards, and the “banana gun” moment
31:10 — Neuroplasticity & lucid dreaming (rewiring the image)
36:45 — Early workshops: veterans, fruit → creativity
42:10 — Birth of Mental Healthy Fit (films, ideas, tips)
49:00 — The “monster under the bed” film & teaching communities to help
56:30 — LEAP: Listen, Empathize, Agree, Partner
1:01:00 — Youth, rehabs, workplaces & screening impact
1:07:30 — Purpose, sobriety, and where to find Brian

• Mental Healthy Fit — Workshops, films, speaking: mentalhealthyfit.org
• Framework mentioned: LEAP (Listen • Empathize • Agree • Partner)

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This week, Angie sits down with Billy Richards — Marine Corps and Army Veteran, Personal Trainer, endurance athlete, and unwavering patriot — whose story will absolutely redefine your definition of grit.

With over 900+ races under his belt — many run while carrying a 45-pound ruck and the American Flag — Billy shares how he transformed pain into purpose. From ultramarathons and obstacle course races to running marathons across states to raise awareness for veteran suicide, Billy’s mission is more than fitness — it’s a tribute to those who serve and sacrifice.

They dive into:
🔹 What drives him to keep pushing past physical limits
🔹 The emotional weight our veterans carry
🔹 His battles with injury — and comeback after hip surgery
🔹 Why honoring veterans and first responders is at the heart of his journey

💥 Whether you're into endurance, advocacy, or human perseverance — this episode will leave you fired up and inspired.

🎧 Listen now and follow Billy’s journey on Instagram: @billytheultrabeast

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In this powerful continuation of our CrossFit Games recap, Angie and Tommy relive the surreal moment of sharing a workout with CrossFit legend Rich Froning—and how it left them starstruck, inspired, and grateful for the community that surrounds the sport.

From unexpected partner pairings to the rush of keeping pace with Games athletes, they share the highlights of their trip, including the decision to skip a massive on-floor workout with hundreds of athletes in favor of an intimate, unforgettable Mayhem session.

But this episode isn’t just about fitness—it’s about the deeper impact CrossFit has in the world of addiction recovery. Angie and Tommy discuss their experience at the Coaches and Affiliate Owners Conference, setting up Elevate’s booth, and connecting with gym owners about the power of integrating CrossFit into treatment programs. They dive into:

• 🏋️‍♂️ Working out alongside Rich Froning and what it meant for them personally and professionally.
• 🌍 Elevate’s mission at the Games: sharing how CrossFit is used as a tool for healing, connection, and recovery from addiction.
• 💪 The stigma of addiction vs. the community of CrossFit—and how both conversations are shifting.
• 🧘 Spirituality and mindfulness in CrossFit: why being present, pushing limits, and supporting others mirrors the principles of recovery.
• 🔑 Scalability & accessibility: breaking the myth that you need to “get fit first” before walking into a CrossFit gym.

This episode is a reminder that CrossFit is so much more than exercise—it’s a life-saving modality that builds connection, confidence, and hope.

🔑 Key Takeaways

• CrossFit legends like Rich Froning inspire, but the community impact is just as powerful.
• Fitness can be a cornerstone of recovery, offering structure, accountability, and connection.
• Addiction isolates, while CrossFit unites—helping people rediscover what it means to show up for others.
• Every athlete starts where they are; progress comes from consistency, not perfection.
• Getting out of your environment—whether at the Games or in treatment—can spark transformation.

Whether you’re a CrossFitter, in recovery, or just seeking inspiration, this conversation shows how fitness and community can change lives. If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe, leave us a review, and share it with someone who needs to hear it.

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In this T&A Talk special, Angie Manson and Tommy Legan reunite post-hiatus with major CrossFit Games energy and real talk about fitness, body image, and what it really means to be healthy.

Fresh off their trip to the 2025 CrossFit Games, Angie and Tommy recap their surreal experience—from front-row views of elite athletes to running a booth at the Coaches & Owners Conference. They dive into key performances, personal favorites, and unforgettable moments like Jason Hopper’s groundbreaking win and Brooke Wells’ emotional farewell.

But this conversation goes far deeper than Games gossip.

They peel back the layers on body image struggles in CrossFit—especially for women—touching on social pressure, body dysmorphia, and what it takes mentally and physically to be at the top. Angie and Tommy reflect on the toll of societal beauty standards, the evolution of their own perceptions of strength, and how performance should outweigh appearance.

The episode also tackles the controversial rise of semaglutide and similar weight loss shortcuts. They explore the risks, side effects (including lawsuits and anesthesia complications), and how this quick-fix culture undermines real fitness. Tommy shares powerful insight on the difference between looking fit and being fit—and why there’s truly no substitute for hard work.

Whether you're a CrossFit junkie, just starting out, or curious about the mindset behind elite athletes, this episode will leave you fired up and thinking deeper about your own journey.

🔑 Key Takeaways:

• Behind the scenes at the CrossFit Games: unforgettable highlights, athlete reflections, and crowd energy.
• Jason Hopper’s win: Why it was groundbreaking for taller, heavier athletes—and what it means for CrossFit diversity.
• Body image and women in CrossFit: Real conversations on body dysmorphia, judgment, and self-acceptance.
• The semaglutide conversation: The dark side of shortcut culture, from muscle loss to medical complications.
• Fitness ≠ Skinny: Angie and Tommy break down what true health looks like, and how performance is the real prize.
• No shortcuts: CrossFit’s new motto hits home—results come from effort, not injections.

The fittest people in the world didn’t get there by accident—they showed up, every day, even when it was hard. Angie and Tommy remind us that whether we’re chasing PRs or just trying to be better than yesterday, real health comes from doing the work.

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🏋️‍♀️ Throwing it back to a powerhouse conversation!

Right after Angie returned from the CrossFit Games, we had to revisit this episode with CrossFit veteran & seminar staff coach Katie Hogan—a true example of grit, growth, and pushing past limits.

From competing on the CrossFit Games floor to guiding future athletes, Katie’s story is all about discipline, resilience, and finding purpose in the process. She and Angie unpack the mental, emotional, and physical grit it takes to go beyond your comfort zone—whether you’re chasing PRs in the gym or breakthroughs in life.

They dive into:
🔥 Lessons from competing at the CrossFit Games
🔥 How fitness fuels addiction recovery and mental strength
🔥 The role of community and accountability in long-term success
🔥 Why embracing discomfort can lead to your biggest growth moments

If you’re ready to push yourself further—physically, mentally, or emotionally—this one’s for you.

🎧 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/d_dZ-50fGoY

In this refreshingly real episode of Going Rogue, Angie Manson is joined by entrepreneur, author, and powerhouse Emily Frisella for an unfiltered conversation about the realities behind building success—and staying sane while doing it. From running 11 businesses to tackling 75 Hard, Emily gets honest about the importance of routine, personal boundaries, and managing burnout without losing yourself in the hustle.

Together, Angie and Emily dig deep into:

• The myth of multitasking vs. the power of focused intention
• Tech fatigue, AI overload, and how to actually use tools like ChatGPT
• The challenges of showing up on social media while protecting your peace
• Tips for getting your outdoor workouts in while traveling
• Leadership lessons, business redlining, and setting your team up to win
• And yes—ducks, ghosts, and fountain Diet Coke

This episode is equal parts insightful and hilarious, full of actionable wisdom, and a few wild stories you won’t want to miss!

🔑 Key Takeaways:

• Multitasking might not be the flex we think it is—single-tasking often leads to better results.
• AI and automation can help—but authenticity and human connection still matter most.
• Don’t let busy become your identity; schedule “dungeon days” to reset and refocus.
• Privacy is powerful—share intentionally, not reactively.
• The best leaders hold others accountable and document everything (receipts matter!).
• Health routines like 75 Hard can help create structure and momentum even in chaotic times.
• Saying no and slowing down doesn’t make you lazy—it makes you a more intentional human.

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