“We were in this little plane, caught in a thunderstorm and the pilot said – I’m sorry guys, we’re not going to make it, we’re gonna go down - and man, that makes you think about living and dying!”

Death is not a topic that we tend to talk about over a BBQ. Most of us don’t talk about death until it’s on our doorstep. Celia and Richard talk with Jonathan Krause about why we don’t need to be afraid to have those conversations.