GOOD Awaits

"We can’t have a different future if we can’t imagine it first” 

Whether we’re conscious of it or not, how we live, work, play - and travel - is all informed by the stories we tell ourselves, by the narratives we continue to uphold. We are all storytellers, and the stories we tell and how we tell them matter. 

Join us in this two part episode on storytelling in a VUCA world. Our guest for part one is Alina Siegfried who guides us in exploring a new story for humanity, and new myths and narratives for a different future that we can all create together. 

In part two, we’re joined by JoAnna Haugen, master storyteller for tourism, who shares how to craft honest, intentional, complicated, and complex stories that help shift our mindset as we adapt to our changing world. 

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Show notes and links:

Alina Siegfried

Big World, Small Planet: Abundance within Planetary Boundaries - Johan Rockstrom

Hillary Institute

Sir Edmund Hillary Fellowship

Yuval Noah Harari - Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind

Our Common Future, also known as Brundtland Report 1987

Limits to Growth - Donella Meadows

Rooted Story Telling - JoAnna Haugen

Guide: Navigating the Climate Crisis: A Guide for Content Creators

IPCC Sixth Assessment Report: Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability

This podcast is created Debbie Clarke and Josie Major. Audio Production and music is by Clarrie Macklin. 

A huge thanks to UNESCO NZ for their support for this project.  

Welcome to Season 2 of GOOD Awaits! One year into their journey to research and explore regenerative tourism practice in Aotearoa New Zealand, Debbie and Josie are thrilled to be continuing these critical conversations. 

Continuing to unpack the paradigm shift that is required for a regenerative tourism future, this season of GOOD Awaits will go beyond the perceived silo of tourism with a diverse range of guests including story-tellers, students, researchers, and local hosts. Debbie and Josie will explore how these pioneers are creating a new guiding story at individual, local and systemic levels. 

A critical question that emerged from Season 1 was: what is tourism’s purpose? Season 2 explores this question further by asking: what is tourism’s purpose in a VUCA - volatile, uncertain, complex, and ambiguous - world? How can we adapt and be resilient while using tourism to regenerate our communities and places? What new stories and myths do we need in order to see ourselves as regenerators of our places?

Journey with Debbie and Josie as they explore these questions and as we work towards an evolving, connected, regenerative tourism future together. 

Episode Notes

Summary of Season 1: Regenerative tourism in Aotearoa New Zealand – A new paradigm for the VUCA world

IPCC Sixth Assessment Report: Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability

LinkedIn Network: GOOD Awaits - A Regenerative Tourism Network

Special Thanks to NZ National Commission for UNESCO for supporting this 2nd season of our podcast. 

In this episode, Debbie and Josie revisit and recap the inspiring conversations with their guests, harvesting a vision for what a regenerative visitor economy could look like in Aotearoa, New Zealand. In this harvest, you'll hear some of our favourite interview fragments from all of our guests, as well as ideas and questions sent in by you, our wonderful listeners.The Harvest is designed to help you digest what we've discussed throughout the season, and as a summary for those who haven't had the time to listen to all 10 episodes.

All the guests in this season speak to the urgency and imperative of acknowledging the challenges of an uncertain and complex future. We must face this reality if we’re to be resilient in how we reshape our tourism businesses, industry, and communities. Our collective vision is one in which the wellbeing and thrivability of communities is at the heart of tourism’s purpose. We dream of a visitor economy that fosters deep and meaningful encounters between visitors and hosts, and puts purpose and passion at the forefront.

We hope you find much value and inspiration in this collective vision of a reimagined tourism in Aotearoa, New Zealand. If you’re interested in continuing these conversations we invite you to reach out to us and become part of our growing community. 

Support our Work 

This podcast is produced entirely by volunteers. If you are finding value in these conversations, please consider supporting us to continue this work by donating to our givealittle page. We are extremely grateful for your support. 

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Josie - [email protected]

Debbie - [email protected]

Many thanks to:

All of our guests for generously gifting us their time and knowledge, this project would not have been possible without you all. 

The teams at GOOD Travel and New Zealand Awaits

Clarrie Macklin for our music and production 

Erin Carnes for our logo and graphic design 

Our givealittle donors for your generous support for our volunteer produced podcast

Show notes and links

Back to life Network

The Tourism CoLab - Regenerative Tourism by Design Course

IPCC Sixth Assessment Report

Wave Image of Crises - Mackay Cartoons

Regenerative Thinkers: Thanks to Anna Pollock for this list

Paul Hawken, Carol Sanford, the Regenesis Group, Michelle Holliday, Dominique Hes, Chrisna du Plessis, Jenny Andersson, Kathleen Allen, John Fullerton, Alan Savory, Daniel Wahl, Giles Hutchins, Fritjof Capra, John Ehrenfeld, David Korten, Jeremy Lent, Charles Eisenstein

The Global Regenerative tourism Initiative 

The Tourism Taskforce Interim Report

Glossary:

(We and our often use words from Te Reo Māori, New Zealand's indigenous language, in their interviews. We welcome and celebrate this, and for listeners outside of New Zealand for whom these may be unfamiliar, we offer an interpretation here to aid your understanding. For more detail, you can reference https://maoridictionary.co.nz/. We also offer explanations of acronyms and other industry terminology used in hope of making GOOD Awaits more accessible.)

Aotearoa - New Zealand

Manaakitanga – hospitality, welcome

Te Tiriti o Waitangi - The Treaty of Waitangi

Whakapapa - genealogy, heritage

In this episode, Debbie and Josie interview Lee-Anne Jago, owner of Waka Abel Tasman. Lee-Anne and her husband Todd offer waka experiences in the Abel Tasman within a cultural framework of Maori tikanga and world view. They place their community at the heart of everything they do in their business and are passionate about uplifting rangatahi (young people) and supporting their community to thrive. 

Our conversation with Lee-Anne is in many ways a summary of the regenerative tourism principles we’ve discussed in previous episodes; demonstrating how tourism can help communities thrive, create deep and meaningful connections, place purpose and passion at the heart of business, and be more resilient and adaptive in this VUCA world. We hope you find much value and inspiration in this example of regenerative tourism.

This episode is the final interview for season 1 of the GOOD Awaits podcast. We will be sharing one more episode, an extended reflection with Debbie and Josie to harvest some of the stories and learnings from the podcast. If you would like to contribute to this, please send us your ideas, reflections or questions and we would love to include them in our conversation. 

Support our Work 

This podcast is produced entirely by volunteers. If you are finding value in these conversations, please consider supporting us to continue this work by donating to our givealittle page. We are extremely grateful for your support. 

Connect with us

Website

Connect on Facebook

Follow on Instagram 

Send us an email:

Josie - [email protected]

Debbie - [email protected]

Many thanks to:

Lee-Anne for joining us on the podcast and sharing the inspiring story of her business and community 

The teams at GOOD Travel and New Zealand Awaits

Clarrie Macklin for our music and production 

Erin Carnes for our logo and graphic design 

Our givealittle donors for your generous support for our volunteer produced podcast

Episode Notes: 

Lee-Anne Jago - https://www.linkedin.com/in/lee-anne-jago-jago-319a73147/ 

Waka Abel Tasman

Glossary:

(Our guests will often use words from Te Reo Māori, New Zealand's indigenous language, in their interviews. We welcome and celebrate this, and for listeners outside of New Zealand for whom these may be unfamiliar, we offer an interpretation here to aid your understanding. For more detail, you can reference https://maoridictionary.co.nz/. We also offer explanations of acronyms and other industry terminology used in hope of making GOOD Awaits more accessible.)

Aotearoa - New Zealand

Waka - canoe

Waka ama - outrigger canoe

Whakapapa – genealogy, lineage

Tikanga - cultural protocols and values 

Te Ao Māori - The Māori world

Koha - offering, donation

Mahi - work

Rohe - area

Kaumatua - elder

Kaitiakitanga - guardianship, stewardship

Manaakitanga – hospitality, care, welcome

Manaaki - to welcome and care for, to uplift others

Kaitiakitanga - guardianship, stewardship

Rangatahi - youth

Kaupapa - purpose, policy or values

Whakaaro – mindset, thought, opinion

Karakia - incantation, ritual chant, chant

For Episode 9 Josie and Debbie interviewed Mandy Bell, co-owner of Criffel Station and Chairperson and Programme Director of WAI Wanaka. Mandy brings innovative, nature-based, and whole of community approaches to her work, and spoke with us about the opportunities to look beyond tourism and work across sectors when taking a regenerative approach.

Mandy is a big picture thinker with ambitious goals for tourism in Aotearoa, but offers practical, actionable examples and ideas in this conversation including models of regenerative practice in action from other sectors and examples of community-driven and nature-based mindset initiatives. 

This week, our offering is for listeners who have stayed with us throughout  this journey, all the way to Episode 9 of GOOD Awaits. You are a part of this transformative movement, and if you want to talk about how we can continue to drive change, please get in touch with us. We need to work together on this if we're going to create the conditions for a regenerative visitor economy to thrive in Aotearoa. 

Support our Work 

This podcast is produced entirely by volunteers. If you are finding value in these conversations, please consider supporting us to continue this work by donating to our givealittle page. We are extremely grateful for your support.  

Connect with us

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Send us an email:

Josie - [email protected]

Debbie - [email protected]

Many thanks to:

Mandy Bell for giving her time and wisdom to us for this episode, and for sharing her inspiring vision of the future.

The teams at GOOD Travel and New Zealand Awaits

Clarrie Macklin for our music and production 

Erin Carnes for our logo and graphic design 

Our givealittle donors for your generous support for our volunteer produced podcast

Show notes:

Mandy Bell: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mandy-bell-914a735a/ 

Criffel Station

WAI Wanaka 

WAO

In this episode, Debbie and Josie interview Porina McLeod, owner of Mauao Adventures. Mauao Adventures’ core purpose is to connect people with the moana (ocean), the whenua (land) and tangata whenua (local people). Preserving Māori cultural values is important to Porina and these values are woven through every aspect of her business.

Porina speaks about her involvement in Te Whānau Tāpoi Māori ō Tauranga Moana, a newly formed Māori tourism collective that demonstrates true collaboration and is an example of living systems principles, bringing diverse individuals together through relationships and structures to form a emergent, thriving collective. 

Porina’s view of the world, how she operates her business, and Te Whānau Tāpoi Māori ō Tauranga Moana are all examples of living systems thinking and practice. We hope you find much value and inspiration in these examples of regenerative tourism.

Support our Work 

This podcast is produced entirely by volunteers. If you are finding value in these conversations, please consider supporting us to continue this work by donating to our givealittle page. We are extremely grateful for your support.  

Connect with us

Website

Connect on Facebook

Follow on Instagram 

Send us an email:

Josie - [email protected]

Debbie - [email protected]

Many thanks to:

Porina McLeod for taking the time to share the stories of her inspiring work with us

The teams at GOOD Travel and New Zealand Awaits

Clarrie Macklin for our music and production 

Erin Carnes for our logo and graphic design 

Our givealittle donors for your generous support for our volunteer produced podcast

Show notes and links

Porina's business - Mauao Adventures 

[email protected]

Te Whānau Tāpoi Māori ō Tauranga Moana Members

Te Ara Tourism

Ngātahi

LoCol Rides

Tipu’s Tiki Tours

Travel Ed 

Tauranga Moana Tourism

Arataki Systems

RiverBug 

Mo’s Matakana Island Tours 

Tauranga Water Transport 

Tāpoi Travel 

Te Mananui

Glossary:

(Our guests will often use words from Te Reo Māori, New Zealand's indigenous language, in their interviews. We welcome and celebrate this, and for listeners outside of New Zealand for whom these may be unfamiliar, we offer an interpretation here to aid your understanding. For more detail, you can reference https://maoridictionary.co.nz/. We also offer explanations of acronyms and other industry terminology used in hope of making GOOD Awaits more accessible.)

Moana – ocean

Mahi - work

Te Ao Māori - The Māori world

Kaupapa - purpose, policy or values

Taiao – environment 

Whenua - land

Tangata Whenua - “people of the land”, Māori people local to a particular area

Haumarutanga - safety, protection

Kaitiakitanga - guardianship, stewardship

Whakaaro – mindset, thought, opinion

Manaakitanga – hospitality

Whanaungatanga - relationships, making kinship connections 

Kotahitanga – unity and oneness

Matariki – Māori New Year

Whakapapa – genealogy, lineage

Iwi - tribe, people

Rangatira - leader, chief

Pākehā – non-Māori New Zealander

Urupā – cemetery

Wairua – spirit, soul

In this episode, Josie and Debbie interview Eliza Raymond, Co-Founder of GOOD Travel. Eliza shares honestly and openly the way her life journey has challenged and changed her thinking about what it means to be a global citizen, and the role travel can play in that. It’s a reminder that we’re all evolving as we try to understand what regenerative thinking means for travel and tourism. 

Eliza describes how global citizenship requires an understanding of our interconnectedness and interdependency with each other and our planet, echoing the living systems principles we have been exploring as we seek to reframe our communities and visitor economy as diverse, living ecosystems. She highlighted the leading role social enterprises can play in this shift to a regenerative model, and also allowed us to explore the responsibility of the traveller to join us in this journey. 

We’re thrilled to share Eliza’s story, as both a tourism operator and an academic, bridging the gap between research, advocacy, and action. We hope you find much to ponder from the thoughts Eliza shares.

Connect with us

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Send us an email:

Josie - [email protected]

Debbie - [email protected]

Many thanks to:

Eliza Raymond for this fun, enlivening and inspiring conversation

The teams at GOOD Travel and New Zealand Awaits

Clarrie Macklin for our music and production 

Erin Carnes for our logo and graphic design 

Our givealittle donors for your generous support for our volunteer produced podcast

Episode Notes

Eliza Raymond: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eliza-raymond/

Email: [email protected]

Follow GOOD Travel:

Website: https://www.good-travel.org/ 

Facebook: https://www.fachttps://www.good-travel.org/ebook.com/TravellingGOOD 

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/travellinggood/ 

Download the Go Electric Eco Tour Free eGuide

What is a Good Traveller Blog 

Visitor Pledges Research

New Zealand Tourism as a Force for GOOD Research

New Zealand Tourism Sustainability Commitment 

Tourism Futures Taskforce

The Future of Tourism Coalition

In this episode, Josie and Debbie interview Sarni Hart, Director of Coromandel Adventures. Sarni is passionate about helping visitors develop greater understanding, respect, and appreciation of our natural world in hopes they will choose to take an active role in protecting it. 

Sarni is a model for how as tourism operators, we can be involved in taking care of the environment and communities that we rely on for our industry. She speaks to the challenges of working with varied and diverse stakeholders in communities, and to how their shared desire to create a better future for the Coromandel keeps them moving forward together.  

We’re thrilled to share Sarni’s story, as a tourism operator quietly and diligently working for a positive impact on her place. Wherever you are on the regenerative journey, we hope you relate to Sarni’s story and find inspiration in her passion.

Connect with us

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Send us an email:

Josie - [email protected]

Debbie - [email protected]

Many thanks to:

Sarni Hart for time, stories and inspiration she gifted us

The teams at GOOD Travel and New Zealand Awaits

Clarrie Macklin for our music and production 

Erin Carnes for our logo and graphic design 

Our givealittle donors for your generous support for our volunteer produced podcast

Episode Notes 

Sarni Hart: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarni-hart-b9a05386/ 

Follow Coromandel Adventures:

Website: https://www.coromandeladventures.co.nz/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CoromandelAdventures/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/coromandeladventures/ 

Coromandel Kauri Dieback Forum

Kauri Protection 

Upper Coromandel Forest and Bird

Patukirikiri

Department of Conservation - DOC

Glossary:

(Our guests will often use words from Te Reo Māori, New Zealand's indigenous language, in their interviews. We welcome and celebrate this, and for listeners outside of New Zealand for whom these may be unfamiliar, we offer an interpretation here to aid your understanding. For more detail, you can reference https://maoridictionary.co.nz/. We also offer explanations of acronyms and other industry terminology used in hope of making GOOD Awaits more accessible.)

Kauri - large forest trees native to New Zealand, often growing over 50m tall and living 2000 years, but threatened by Phytophthora agathidicida or Kauri Dieback 

Kaitiaki - guardian, steward

Tūrangawaewae - "place to stand", place where one belongs 

In this episode, Josie and Debbie interview Trent Yeo, Executive Director of Ziptrek Ecotours in Queenstown. Trent is driven by the investment in humans as the driver for change in sustainability and he speaks to the power of adventure to help create meaningful memories of place. 

Trent offers a lot for us to think about in this episode, from designing tourism experiences and models for change at the visitor experience level, the business level, through to the larger tourism ecosystem level. We also discuss the importance of innovating to add value to visitors’ experiences and to the places and communities they visit. 

This episode highlights a tourism operator who is at the forefront of reimagining tourism in Aotearoa New Zealand, has his values deeply embedded in connection to place and community, and consciously designs deeply memorable experiences for his guests. We hope you find inspiration in this episode.

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Send us an email:

Josie - [email protected]

Debbie - [email protected]

Many thanks to:

Trent Yeo for taking the time for this interview and bringing such inspiration and vision to the podcast

The teams at GOOD Travel and New Zealand Awaits

Clarrie Macklin for our music and production 

Erin Carnes for our logo and graphic design 

Our givealittle donors for your generous support for our volunteer run podcast . 

Episode Notes 

Trent Yeo: https://www.linkedin.com/in/trentyeo/

Follow Ziptrek Eco Tours:

Website: https://www.ziptrek.co.nz/ 

Twitter: https://twitter.com/ZiptrekNZ 

The Natural Step

Future Fit

Ziptrek Kereru Interactive VR Tour

New Zealand Tourism Sustainability Commitment 

Climate Change Commission Report

Parliamentary Commission for the Environment Report

Tourism Futures Taskforce

Tourism Industry Aotearoa Roadmap to Recovery

Predator Free 2050

Back to Life Network

Asia New Zealand Foundation

Sir Edmund Hillary Fellowship

Glossary:

(Our guests will often use words from Te Reo Māori, New Zealand's indigenous language, in their interviews. We welcome and celebrate this, and for listeners outside of New Zealand for whom these may be unfamiliar, we offer an interpretation here to aid your understanding. For more detail, you can reference https://maoridictionary.co.nz/. We also offer explanations of acronyms and other industry terminology used in hope of making GOOD Awaits more accessible.)

Manuhiri - visitor, guest

Kererū - New Zealand Pigeon

In this episode, Josie and Debbie interview Michelle Holliday, author of The Age of Thrivability and international thought leader in living systems principles. We discuss the idea that in a regenerative model, our organisations and communities are dynamic living systems, and therefore the role of tourism is to help create the conditions for these living systems to thrive. 

If you’ve been following along with us on this journey, this episode will feel like a turning point in our exploration. Michelle invites us into a deeper level of thinking about what regeneration means, encourages bigger and more philosophical questions, and challenges us to acknowledge the presence of life in ourselves, our businesses, and our communities. 

There is a lot to take in in this episode, so we invite you to take your time with it, ponder it, and acknowledge the enormous mindset shift that this work is offering us. We have no doubt that you will find value in this episode and it is one we will revisit as we continue this journey.

Connect with us

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Send us an email:

Josie - [email protected]

Debbie - [email protected]

Many thanks to:

Michelle Holliday for joining us on GOOD Awaits and for the inspiration and support she's given us as we set out on this journey

The teams at GOOD Travel and New Zealand Awaits

Clarrie Macklin for our music and production 

Erin Carnes for our logo and graphic design 

Our givealittle donors for your generous support. 

Episode Notes

Age of Thrivability (Website and also where you can buy Michelle’s book)

Contact Michelle:

Website: michelleholliday.com 

Twitter: @thrivability

Email: [email protected]

Pattern of Living Systems Ted Talk 

Maslow got it wrong

WAO Project - Wānaka

Ruapehu Whānau Transformation Project

Back to Life online regenerative tourism course with Anna Pollock

Glossary:

(Our guests will often use words from Te Reo Māori, New Zealand's indigenous language, in their interviews. We welcome and celebrate this, and for listeners outside of New Zealand for whom these may be unfamiliar, we offer an interpretation here to aid your understanding. For more detail, you can reference https://maoridictionary.co.nz/. We also offer explanations of acronyms and other industry terminology used in hope of making GOOD Awaits more accessible.)

Manaakitanga - hospitality, care, welcome 

Mauri - life force