In this episode, The Rev. has a conversation with Karen Stiller and, wouldn’t you know it (surprise, surprise), his wife, Renata, about their shared experiences being married to pastors. Karen is an accomplished writer, senior editor of Faith Today, and the author of The Minister’s Wife: A Memoir of Faith, Doubt, Friendship, Loneliness, Forgiveness, and More. And she loves to laugh. In Renata’s former career, she worked in the trenches of urban education (earning two master’s degrees along the way), as a Special Education teacher and administrator. She is passionate about authentic Christian community, discipling young women, and ice cream! Oh, and she also loves to laugh.